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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,647

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
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    Boris is crap but not quite as awful (so far) as I feared.

    Dodged the Russia question.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    I take back what I said earlier. The BBC have messed this up royally. A thoroughly biased audience.

    25% Lab.
    25% LD
    25% Tory
    25% SNP
    Means close on 75% are anti Tory TBF
    And why does the SNP get so upweighted?
    I suppose they wanted each candidate to have 25% of audience. Something gone wrong as Swinson didnt get a single applaud.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    Aren’t they the ones objecting to gender equality?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,671

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    Home - WASPI - Women Against State Pension Inequality
    https://www.waspi.co.uk
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    HYUFD said:

    The problem is Swinson is getting shit from all sides. And is still copping flak for the coalition years, which is very telling. Very little support for her here.

    Feel sorry for her.

    But more important is how five million people see her at home.

    She’s knocked the shrillness on the head, appeared reasonable and open in admitting coalition mistakes - and against some grumpy Corbynites who look like they’ve been sucking lemons, she’s put up a good show for the Waitrose classes in the south.
    She will appeal to the diehard Remainers, a clear stop Brexit plan opposed to Corbyn's Brexit neutrality.

    However her record in the Coalition means the left will never vote for her
    The Corbyn loyalists won’t. But that leaves a lot of Blairite Labour up for grabs.

    I’m still amazed at the hate LibDems get for the coalition. They had a seventh of the seats and could only expect a seventh of the influence. I’d say they probably got that (and given what’s come since can reasonably argue they had a restraining influence on the right wing of the Tories (albeit that this was useful for Cameron).
    Tripling tuition fees when they could have stopped it.

    They also had a rapid conversion to supporting Middle Eastern warmongering.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862

    Another fucking Scot....... Jeez. Do they make up 69% of the UK?

    25% of this audience
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,671
    Haha Tory policies not Boris fault!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,785
    edited November 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    When the Government set in train legislation to equalise pension ages, some women ended up drawing pensions later than they otherwise would have. Some of them formed the group "Women Against State Pension Inequality" to campaign against it. The acronym is WASPI.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    Women against state pension age increase if you are between about 58 and 68 you have had your long time financial planning changed. It’s ‘cost’ us about 35,000 plus four years of private health insurance about £12,000 but fortunately we could cope without it many others have struggled.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    Great strategy from Boris showing how he is bringing his mayoral policies like raising the living wage into Government
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    timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    He is actually answering questions so far ok
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    Boris wants to tackle poverty.
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    People are at least listening to Boris.

    Not sure what that means. Because they genuinely think he's going to win and what to hear what his plans actually are, or, just because they're keeping their powder dry.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Waffle.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,310
    Oooohhhh.

    I think Boris is quite good here.

    Even if I would say that.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    timmo said:

    He is actually answering questions so far ok

    He is so far.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Another fucking Scot....... Jeez. Do they make up 69% of the UK?

    25% of this audience
    Which shows why the format is crap.
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    Actually Boris is doing quite well with what is a hostile audience
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,310
    Less vituperation against him than against Jezza. So far.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    Women against state pension age increase if you are between about 58 and 68 you have had your long time financial planning changed. It’s ‘cost’ us about 35,000 plus four years of private health insurance about £12,000 but fortunately we could cope without it many others have struggled.
    WASPI should be WFSPI for inequality
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    Boris doing very well, far better at empathy than May was
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967

    Another fucking Scot....... Jeez. Do they make up 69% of the UK?

    25% of this audience
    Was there any room for Scottish unionists?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,647

    errr nuclear weapons have jack all to do with 'climate change'

    I suspect that a thermonuclear war would affect the climate adversely.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    This format is an embarrassment. Johnson quite good at coping though.
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    People are at least listening to Boris.

    Not sure what that means. Because they genuinely think he's going to win and what to hear what his plans actually are, or, just because they're keeping their powder dry.

    Or because they’re struggling to pick out actual facts from the word soup he emits 😆
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Swinson seems more detested than Johnson so far - Labourites really hate supposed traitors on the left don't they
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    Home - WASPI - Women Against State Pension Inequality
    https://www.waspi.co.uk
    I thought they were pro inequality - just in their favour
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Boris was better on HIGNFY.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.
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    Heckles!
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    I hope the whole country is watching Johnson here. What a joke!
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,157
    Make up dept has made Boris rather pale.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Pulpstar said:

    Swinson seems more detested than Johnson so far - Labourites really hate supposed traitors on the left don't they

    Labour activists know that the biggest threat to their vote share this time is remainers voting LibDem, as millions of them did in the Euro elections.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    Boris says 240 000 homes built last year, over 50 000 affordable homes
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    HYUFD said:

    Who are the Waspie women, odd first question,?

    I haven't a clue either!
    The ones born in the fifties who have seen their pension age raised without, in their view, enough notice prejeudicing their retirement income
    They are the ones who see merit in pleading stupidity.
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    Boris holding his own for sure against a sceptical audience...
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    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
    And LD leavers like myself were effectively forced out.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    HYUFD said:

    Boris doing very well, far better at empathy than May was


    Hardly a high bar. Not really a bar at all.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    People are at least listening to Boris.

    Not sure what that means. Because they genuinely think he's going to win and what to hear what his plans actually are, or, just because they're keeping their powder dry.

    Or because they’re struggling to pick out actual facts from the word soup he emits 😆
    "word soup". Brilliant.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Hold up we're in deepest Sheffield here
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    kinabalu said:

    I hope the whole country is watching Johnson here. What a joke!

    I hope they are, Boris is doing brilliantly
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,647
    geoffw said:

    Make up dept has made Boris rather pale.

    Fear. He is waffling and unable to answer questions.

    Lying over the Russia report now.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,310
    edited November 2019
    I like the way he walks towards the questioner as he answers.

    Plus has facts on home building.

    What's he been taking??
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    "Bermuda triangle stuff" - re. Russia report :lol:
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    Boris holding his own for sure against a sceptical audience...

    Might have benefitted from going last. The bearpit crowd seemed a touch worked up early on.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Swinson seems more detested than Johnson so far - Labourites really hate supposed traitors on the left don't they

    They thought that LibDems were leftists who were either suburban snobs or thick rustics.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Beginning to unravel now for Bozo .
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Foxy said:

    errr nuclear weapons have jack all to do with 'climate change'

    I suspect that a thermonuclear war would affect the climate adversely.
    With possibly some more immediate concerns as well.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    There are 80M people in this country, these are not the best four to be PM. The system is broken.
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    haha got a trouble maker here
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    kinabalu said:

    I hope the whole country is watching Johnson here. What a joke!

    Chuck that wanker out
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    Fiona Bruce is top drawer though.
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    Fiona shouts at the audience :lol:
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Corbynistas losing their rag! Keep going Boris!
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    The "race baiting" question is slightly uncomfortable for Boris.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    Fiona Bruce allows BJ off the hook on Russia

    Boris is a racist question now.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Jonathan said:

    There are 80M people in this country, these are not the best four to be PM. The system is broken.

    Maybe after 18 months of Labour's immigration policy.
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    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Everybody now believes that the government should be spending more money.

    On 'people like me'.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Massively left wing audience

    It's QT. Virtually every episode is broadcast from a Labour seat. (I'd love to see the exact figures but I suspect 90%ish over the last 20 years)
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,818
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
    Revoke was certainly not forced upon Swinson; it was her initiative and she did her best to steamroller it through conference. Even then, there was a big minority who wanted the Revoke lines taken out of the conference motion on Brexit to be separately debated, even with the minimal notice for the motion and the refusal to entertain potential amendments, as well as getting all the Party big guns to speak in favour.
    There were two votes on the Anti-Brexit amendment: the first (on separating out the Revoke lines) was won by about 60-40; the second was on the motion as a whole when that failed, and most people swung into line (as to vote against at that point would be to vote against the entire stance, inclusive of the referendum-if-no-majority lines). It was the latter that was the only one reported.
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    Fiona Bruce allows BJ off the hook on Russia

    Boris is a racist question now.

    Blaming the ref eh?
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    No tele here, not ever.
    But I suspect it's much better reading PB comments.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Dear me it’s all heading south now for Bozo .
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    Tank top bum boys is fine apparently
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    nico67 said:

    Dear me it’s all heading south now for Bozo .

    Hard to tell if this is actually what is happening, or this is just a partisan analysis.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,785
    Jonathan said:

    There are 80M people in this country,.

    Unless the country in question is Germany, no there isn't.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    He can't seem to manage even basic sentences.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Lol “can be made to seem offensive”
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,647
    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Unquestionably true. The LibDems getting grief for wanting a balanced budget, Tories spaffing money everywhere.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    edited November 2019
    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    Dear me it’s all heading south now for Bozo .

    Hard to tell if this is actually what is happening, or this is just a partisan analysis.
    Sony you dont have a TV
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    People are at least listening to Boris.

    Not sure what that means. Because they genuinely think he's going to win and what to hear what his plans actually are, or, just because they're keeping their powder dry.

    Or because they’re struggling to pick out actual facts from the word soup he emits 😆
    Again, it's not a game changer.

    He's just not doing badly enough.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    kinabalu said:

    He can't seem to manage even basic sentences.

    He can manage perfectly well, he thinks on his feet unlike Corbyn
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Hold up we're in deepest Sheffield here
    I was talking about the politicians promises and stances, not the audience
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    edited November 2019

    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    Dear me it’s all heading south now for Bozo .

    Hard to tell if this is actually what is happening, or this is just a partisan analysis.
    Sony you dont have a TV
    It's just funny watching the predictable comments from both sides.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    I hope the whole country is watching Johnson here. What a joke!

    I hope they are, Boris is doing brilliantly
    He lies when he moves his lips but so what he isn’t corbyn so not a problem
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    TOPPING said:

    Oooohhhh.

    I think Boris is quite good here.

    Even if I would say that.

    Yes, but you wouldn't, would you?

    You've admitted you think he's a total twat, so that wasn't a given at all!
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    Dear me it’s all heading south now for Bozo .

    Hard to tell if this is actually what is happening, or this is just a partisan analysis.
    Sony you have a TV
    It's just funny watching the predictable comments from both sides.
    It's certainly much more enjoyable reading the comments with the tennis on than it was watching ITV on Tuesday
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,785

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
    And LD leavers like myself were effectively forced out.
    "He's here! He's here, everybody! Over here!"

    (In the distance the helicopter searchlights wheel towards the noise... )
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    Pulpstar said:

    Massively left wing audience

    It's QT. Virtually every episode is broadcast from a Labour seat. (I'd love to see the exact figures but I suspect 90%ish over the last 20 years)
    Corbyn has a bunch of hostile ones at the start too.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    I've got a lot of respect for Swinson after that. I think it was a horrendous audience for her but she categorically refused to go dow the Labour light adjunct
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282

    Pulpstar said:

    Massively left wing audience

    It's QT. Virtually every episode is broadcast from a Labour seat. (I'd love to see the exact figures but I suspect 90%ish over the last 20 years)
    Because towns and cities have bigger venues and are easier for people to travel to.
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    He looks like a slightly less healthier Gary Busey now!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,785

    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Everybody now believes that the government should be spending more money.

    On 'people like me'.
    Indeed
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Bit rich to claim credit for female PMs when he systematically undermined the last one.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,647

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
    Revoke was certainly not forced upon Swinson; it was her initiative and she did her best to steamroller it through conference. Even then, there was a big minority who wanted the Revoke lines taken out of the conference motion on Brexit to be separately debated, even with the minimal notice for the motion and the refusal to entertain potential amendments, as well as getting all the Party big guns to speak in favour.
    There were two votes on the Anti-Brexit amendment: the first (on separating out the Revoke lines) was won by about 60-40; the second was on the motion as a whole when that failed, and most people swung into line (as to vote against at that point would be to vote against the entire stance, inclusive of the referendum-if-no-majority lines). It was the latter that was the only one reported.
    I didn't say it was forced on the party, but rather that the large number of new members have changed the nature of the party.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Massively left wing audience

    It's QT. Virtually every episode is broadcast from a Labour seat. (I'd love to see the exact figures but I suspect 90%ish over the last 20 years)
    I guess that's because large towns and cities tend to be more Labour.

    I do think audiences on QT, on a whole, are f***ing abysmal. The sort of people who go to these kind of things tend to be rather angry, partisan people, who aren't interested in hearing an answer - they just want to make a point. I'd far, far rather listen to a good interviewer.

    Sid Vicious was absolutely right on the subject of the man on the street.
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    viewcode said:

    Jonathan said:

    There are 80M people in this country,.

    Unless the country in question is Germany, no there isn't.
    Perhaps the extra 12 million are the rough sleepers and food bank users in Jonathan's village.
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    humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 377
    edited November 2019
    Jonathan said:

    Bit rich to claim credit for female PMs when he systematically undermined the last one.

    Just remind us, how many have Labour had?
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    He looks like a slightly less healthier Gary Busey now!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCId3kjWPs8
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,862
    Pulpstar said:

    I've got a lot of respect for Swinson after that. I think it was a horrendous audience for her but she categorically refused to go dow the Labour light adjunct

    You have a duffer.

    VI going down quicker than a Beoing 737 Max

    Your not even voting LD in Bassetlaw are you?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,310

    TOPPING said:

    Oooohhhh.

    I think Boris is quite good here.

    Even if I would say that.

    Yes, but you wouldn't, would you?

    You've admitted you think he's a total twat, so that wasn't a given at all!
    That is also true.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    viewcode said:

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    I do think revoke has backfired and the only chance of it succeeding was if Johnson didn’t get a deal and the election was being fought with that v Remain .

    I think she got a boner when she saw the 6 million signatures on the Revoke petition.

    It was a lot of people expressing their desire to reverse Brexit but she took it literally.
    A significant majority of LD members joined since the referendum, and often specifically to Remain. The party wanted the Revoke policy. I agree that any policy that is as difficult to explain on the doorstep is bad as a leading policy. It is like the hubris of stating she could be PM, technically true but ridiculously unlikely.
    And LD leavers like myself were effectively forced out.
    "He's here! He's here, everybody! Over here!"

    (In the distance the helicopter searchlights wheel towards the noise... )
    Once upon a time there were many such people. Consider the traditional heartland of liberalism in tge Eurosceptic south west. I remember hearing a vox pop at tge 1997 GE of a LD voter who justified his choice on the grounds that they were the only party who would stand up to Europe.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    This crowd are brutal , shame for Bozo he’s on last . More people will be watching .
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,008
    edited November 2019
    nico67 said:

    This crowd are brutal , shame for Bozo he’s on last . More people will be watching .

    Many will have turned over for Corrie but he is doing very well anyway
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    HYUFD said:

    He can manage perfectly well, he thinks on his feet unlike Corbyn

    He just blusters. Believes in nothing and the void becomes clear under scrutiny.
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    bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    Just tuned in. Which student union is hosting this one?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    viewcode said:

    Jonathan said:

    There are 80M people in this country,.

    Unless the country in question is Germany, no there isn't.
    Perhaps the extra 12 million are the rough sleepers and food bank users in Jonathan's village.
    Very good, you got me, you win PB. But the point stands these are not the four best people in the UK to be PM.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    The remarkable thing about this election is how much, Brexit aside, the Overton window has shifted to the left.

    Hold up we're in deepest Sheffield here
    I was talking about the politicians promises and stances, not the audience
    Fair point
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