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  • RobD said:
    Noone can relax this time.

    Noone.

    Not until 9pm on Thursday 12th December.
    9pm?
  • This is a much better format that the time limited answer head to head.

    Allows for the audience to stick the boot in.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    I don't know what adjustments pollsters have made but didn't they undershoot on Labour by 3-4% last time?

    You could perhaps suggest they were fine, just behind the trend a bit. 2nd graph is quite good:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Graphical_summaries


  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    No Mr Corbyn, Bolivia isn't the poorest country in South America any more. That title belongs to Venezuela.
  • Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions
  • RobD said:

    Here's the updated poll tracker. Lead crossover!

    https://imgur.com/2VGVMnc

    Seven polls so far this week - average Tory lead = 13.0%
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    Here's the updated poll tracker. Lead crossover!

    https://imgur.com/2VGVMnc

    Seven polls so far this week - average Tory lead = 13.0%
    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Given how the audience on ITV got sick of Boris answering everything with BrexitBrexitBrexit, it will be interesting to see him in thi sformat.
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Here's the updated poll tracker. Lead crossover!

    https://imgur.com/2VGVMnc

    Seven polls so far this week - average Tory lead = 13.0%
    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?
    Don't you two go herding!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited November 2019
    Not watching this tonight. Let me know if should bother with watching it on Catch Up or not please?

    Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions

    Not getting pandered to with his 3 at a time and the audience booing LauraK for him now?
  • Oh, we have a Labour activist in the audience!
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Here's the updated poll tracker. Lead crossover!

    https://imgur.com/2VGVMnc

    Seven polls so far this week - average Tory lead = 13.0%
    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?
    I thought "why not?" :)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    Oh, that's tonight?

    Didn't even know.

    I'm on a train (no surprise there). I doubt anything that is said or done in that studio tonight will matter one jot. It's distraction theatre for the politically engaged. If anything interesting happens, I'm sure people will let me know.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Here's the updated poll tracker. Lead crossover!

    https://imgur.com/2VGVMnc

    Seven polls so far this week - average Tory lead = 13.0%
    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?
    May as well include everything surely?
  • Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Not watching this tonight. Let me know if should bother with watching it on Catch Up or not please?

    Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions

    Not getting pandered to with his 3 at a time and the audience booing LauraK for him now?
    The audience questioner is basically calling him a racist misogynist, he did not look happy.
  • Someone added it to Wiki a few hours back (not me, mind!)
  • Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Not watching this tonight. Let me know if should bother with watching it on Catch Up or not please?

    Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions

    Not getting pandered to with his 3 at a time and the audience booing LauraK for him now?
    The audience questioner is basically calling him a racist misogynist, he did not look happy.
    Not really heard the misogynist one before.
  • Not watching this tonight. Let me know if should bother with watching it on Catch Up or not please?

    Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions

    Not getting pandered to with his 3 at a time and the audience booing LauraK for him now?
    Julie Etchingham?
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    RobD said:


    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?

    Did we ever find out if it includes previous samples over the same time period? Can't include it twice if so.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Brutal evisceration of Corbyn, makes me seriously worried about Boris.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Andrew said:

    RobD said:


    I was wondering if I should include that extra YouGov. Did you?

    Did we ever find out if it includes previous samples over the same time period? Can't include it twice if so.
    Good point - don't want to double count polls.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    kle4 said:

    Not watching this tonight. Let me know if should bother with watching it on Catch Up or not please?

    Corbyn having problems here. He does not like answering single questions

    Not getting pandered to with his 3 at a time and the audience booing LauraK for him now?
    The audience questioner is basically calling him a racist misogynist, he did not look happy.
    Not really heard the misogynist one before.
    The questioner kept saying he was worried for his daughters because Corbyn was laughing and joking with Ruth Smeeths abuser afterwards.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬

    Be honest. Is there any format to which Boris is suited? If he wasn't up against an old-school Socialist terrorist-fiddler with polices that would make Marx wince, you'd be looking at the other parties right now. He doesn't have to be good. He just has to be better than the competition.
  • I see Jezza thinks Northumberland doesn't have broadband.

    *plugs work computer into 56k dial up modem*
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,711
    Part of YouGov is new.

    11,000 sample - whereas period only contained three polls of 1,600 each.
  • Boris gets to go last, with an audience that’s had its fun.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Jason said:

    Brutal evisceration of Corbyn, makes me seriously worried about Boris.

    Not watching, but if it's that bad then surely that leaves Boris with a 0-0 draw at worst?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,711
    And still nobody asks re Marriage allowance and Dividend taxation.

    Is Fiona Bruce aware of it? If not, why not?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    maaarsh said:

    Jason said:

    Brutal evisceration of Corbyn, makes me seriously worried about Boris.

    Not watching, but if it's that bad then surely that leaves Boris with a 0-0 draw at worst?
    Boris under pressure is pretty darn bad, because he gets awkward and spluttering, making him look shifty. Corbyn's generally more direct even as he waffles.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019

    Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬

    Most people will turn over and be watching Corrie come 8 30pm and Corbyn has not done great so far anyway
  • God, the party political activists (this time the SNP) are painfully obvious and facepalming.
  • viewcode said:

    Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬

    Be honest. Is there any format to which Boris is suited? If he wasn't up against an old-school Socialist terrorist-fiddler with polices that would make Marx wince, you'd be looking at the other parties right now. He doesn't have to be good. He just has to be better than the competition.
    Boris is crap at this. The only format he's good at is stump speeches where he can do his jokey blokey stuff.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Corbyn lookimg flustered on indyref2
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Jezza getting away lightly and doing rather well. Less than 5 mins left.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,711
    I think Corbyn has got away with this pretty well - audience pretty supportive.

    But very uncomfortable when pinned down on Indy Ref - said two years - might regret that.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    MikeL said:

    Part of YouGov is new.

    11,000 sample - whereas period only contained three polls of 1,600 each.


    Thanks. Guess the answer is to remove the previous three then, and replace with this.

    Nice sample size at least, <1% moe.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn lookimg flustered on indyref2

    He really isnt
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    The Scots have taken over!!
  • The SNP have well and truly peppered this audience with nit muppets.
  • Separatists filled the audience
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    The Scots have taken over!!

    It will be interesting to see if there are any Scottish unionists in the audience when Ms Sturgeon comes on.
  • Married Persons Tax Allowance Question!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,711
    Marriage Allowance!!!!!!!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    MikeL said:

    Marriage Allowance!!!!!!!!

    On your bingo card? :p
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    HYUFD said:

    Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬

    Most people will turn over and be watching Corrie come 8 30pm and Corbyn has not done great so far anyway
    I'm a politics nut and I didn't know this was on until 5 minutes ago. And it's a Friday.
  • neutral WTF kind of leadership is that?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Corbyn confirms he would be neutral in any EUref2
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,711
    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Sturgeon on now
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614
    Hmm. The poor who who haven't got computers can't go online, says Corbyn.

    Question: how does someone with no computer benefit from free broadband?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn confirms he would be neutral in any EUref2

    Can't trust those filthy neutrals.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Hmm. The poor who who haven't got computers can't go online, says Corbyn.

    Question: how does someone with no computer benefit from free broadband?

    Similar to their policy on tuition fees - a bung to the middle class.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,605
    edited November 2019
    O/T

    It's 3rd November 1988 on BBC4 with Top of the Pops.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcfour
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    Hmm. The poor who who haven't got computers can't go online, says Corbyn.

    Question: how does someone with no computer benefit from free broadband?

    Perhaps Microsoft is next to be nationalized and "free" computers for all? ;)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Good from Jez. Calm and serious.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Hmm. The poor who who haven't got computers can't go online, says Corbyn.

    Question: how does someone with no computer benefit from free broadband?

    With their phone
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Give me a deal please EU people
    What sort of deal?
    Dont care, I'm not recommending it
  • Sturgeon basically saying Corbyn will be her bitch.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
  • SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Sturgeon basically saying Corbyn will be her bitch.

    If she literally says that then I will vote for her.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    kinabalu said:

    Good from Jez. Calm and serious.

    Not naked, screaming and telling mother in law jokes?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
    That makes it ok then?
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    I wonder if the neutral answer right at the end will hurt him. Will make Corbyn seem even more of a fence sitter and means he’s renegotiating a deal that he doesn’t even want. Press should have a field day with that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Superb from Corbyn. Although going 1st was an advantage. Boris will get a different audience
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
  • Schards said:

    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech

    It does seem unbalanced
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Superb from Corbyn. Although going 1st was an advantage. Boris will get a different audience

    Lol. Nice impartial assessment
  • Patsy soft ball questions for Sturgeon.

    She’s resigning in the spring mind you.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Floater said:

    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
    That makes it ok then?
    It was a gimmick. Do you claim it? How much is it worth to you and Mrs Floater?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Floater said:

    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
    That makes it ok then?
    CCHQ need to go for the throat on it. It makes the top 5% claim and out and out lie. All lower and middle earning married couples pay more under Labour
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    As predicted Nicola is showing up our useless UK politicians
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    RobD said:

    Hmm. The poor who who haven't got computers can't go online, says Corbyn.

    Question: how does someone with no computer benefit from free broadband?

    Similar to their policy on tuition fees - a bung to the middle class.
    You think working class people don't use the internet?
  • Brom said:

    I wonder if the neutral answer right at the end will hurt him. Will make Corbyn seem even more of a fence sitter and means he’s renegotiating a deal that he doesn’t even want. Press should have a field day with that.

    "Neutral" is bloody terrible. The electorate has many attitudes about Brexit at the moment, but neutral is not one of them!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    edited November 2019
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to the debates

    If not previousy reported
    Rachel Riley is wearing a T shirt saying Corbyn is a racist/
  • Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    Err, yes it is.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Schards said:

    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech

    It does seem unbalanced
    Makes up for all BBC journalist being Tories!!
  • Well the SNP have done good audience stuffing today.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It isn't, 30% of voters are basically socialists if not Marxists, even in 1987 and 2015 Labour still got 30% and even in 1983, the worst Labour defeat since WW2, Labour got 28%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Schards said:

    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech

    Did some really not ask a question? That doesn't seem right at all.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    IanB2 said:

    As predicted Nicola is showing up our useless UK politicians

    Hopefully adding a point or two to the Tory poll rating.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Floater said:

    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
    That makes it ok then?
    Are you talking about the transfer of 1200 of the others unused allowance which gives you all of 240?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    It is in Casinos head
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    edited November 2019
    Sturgeon says there can be EUref2 but not indyref3
  • IanB2 said:

    As predicted Nicola is showing up our useless UK politicians

    I don't get this love for Sturgeon south of the border on the soft Left.

    I can't stand her and am shouting at the screen here.

    I prefer Jo Swinson by a country mile. And that's saying something.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684

    Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    Err, yes it is.
    Err, no it isn’t.

    He’s behind you.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    The audience aren’t very good at questioning imo
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Big John gave the impression this was a walk in the park for Corbyn.

    Wait, what

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7715715/Boris-Johnson-Jeremy-Corbyn-face-Question-Time-audience.html
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Watching darts for 30 mins

    Wee Jimmy Krankee not relevant.
  • Schards said:

    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech

    It does seem unbalanced
    Makes up for all BBC journalist being Tories!!
    You really are deluded if you believe that.
  • Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    It is in Casinos head
    It's on paper and your leader wrote it.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    Err, yes it is.
    Yes it is - it would be a disaster
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    It's sad that those questions had to be asked by an Englishman. They got a load of Scots in the audience, but they're all pro-independence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Good question would Spain admit Scotland to the EU with its own separatists and Scotland's debt too high for admittance too
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Schards said:

    Audience absolutely stacked with Labour activists. Some called to speak didn't even ask a question, just gave a socialist speech

    It does seem unbalanced
    Makes up for all BBC journalist being Tories!!
    You really are deluded if you believe that.
    @bbclaura minister for propaganda. Marr Tory Newsnight edited by a Tory Maitless Tory A Neil Tory.
  • Streeter said:

    Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    Err, yes it is.
    Err, no it isn’t.

    He’s behind you.
    Tedious, pathetic and pointless.

    Like 99% of your posts.
  • nichomar said:

    Floater said:

    MikeL said:

    And Corbyn acknowledges Marriage Allowance removal - now will the media finally pick up on it?

    Most people don't even know if they claim it or not.
    That makes it ok then?
    Are you talking about the transfer of 1200 of the others unused allowance which gives you all of 240?
    This allows basic rate taxpayers an extra £240 per annum if their spouse does not earn enough to use up their personal allowance. Many taking advantage of this are married couples with young children, and this is a very important relief for them. You might sneer, but that says more about you than the recipients of the marriage tax allowance.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    viewcode said:

    Quite worried about Boris in this format.

    😬

    Be honest. Is there any format to which Boris is suited? If he wasn't up against an old-school Socialist terrorist-fiddler with polices that would make Marx wince, you'd be looking at the other parties right now. He doesn't have to be good. He just has to be better than the competition.
    Which he isn't.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Floater said:

    Streeter said:

    Regardless of the result of this election it's truly scary that 30% of the electorate are up for voting for a Marxist manifesto.

    It’s not a Marxist manifesto.
    Err, yes it is.
    Yes it is - it would be a disaster
    Which bit is Marxist?
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