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I wish. But if Johnson loses oodles of seats (and I think he will), I just can't see how Labour can decapitate Corbyn. I'd love to see him lose his seat - but even I believe Johnson, Swinson and Farage are likelier to lose theirs.rottenborough said:I'm in the mood for a wild prediction. So here goes:
Johnson will lose on 9th December and within days we will have a coalition government led by Starmer, Harmen or Benn.
Personally, I believe the bloodiest political spectacle after the election will be Corbyn clinging on as most of Labour try getting rid of him, and Sturgeon and Swinson (who'll command around 100 seats between them) refuse any kind of formal alliance with a party he leads.
Junking Brexit will be a doddle by comparison1 -
Nope, not especially. FWIW I suspect the polls will close as we get to polling day. Can’t get excited by any outcome. Boris has screwed the country either way.MarqueeMark said:
Because you think Labour are in real trouble?Jonathan said:Never been less excited about an election.
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He'll have defected to the Tories by then.HYUFD said:
If Labour lose 100 seats they are likely to be near level with the LDs on voteshare and with even fewer MPs than Foot got in 1983, the next non Tory PM could then be LD not Labour, perhaps ChukaMarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.0 -
HYUFD, I do like the way you make bold prediction after prediction.HYUFD said:
Southwark and Vauxhall will likely go LD from Labour, as may Kensington and Battersea, as well as Cambridge and Sheffield HallamYBarddCwsc said:
I would urge caution.timmo said:
And I accepted that was wrong ...and apologised but I believe this time that the lib dems could get well above 50 seats edging to 80.YBarddCwsc said:
I haven't forgotten your prediction for Brecon & Radnorshire ("intel") !timmo said:
I disagree...think they may do rather wellYBarddCwsc said:
There is zero chance of the LibDems taking Cambridge.Flanner said:
Rod Cantrill. a city councillor and Huppert's former agentHarryF said:Who is the LD candidate for Cambridge ? Huppert ?
Zeichner is Continuity-Remain.
The Labour Council is (strangely enough) very highly competent.
(I do think the LibDems will find it hard going in the University seats, as every one already has a Barking Remainer Labour MP).
First, there has been no scrutiny of the LibDems since their renaissance. We have no idea how Swinson will perform against the kind of media onslaught that both Johnson & Corbyn have faced.
Second, Labour will surely attack ferociously, as they just can't allow the LibDems to get too close or they face being supplanted as the party of the Left. I think Labour will be very hard to dislodge as they will say different things in different constituencies.
I am sure the LibDems won't take Cambridge, and I would be very hawkish on their prospects of taking any seats from Labour other than Hallam.
I think from your track record, your success rate is about one in six.
So, we're not too far apart, I agree the LibDems will take Hallam.
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Yeah, they'll be invading Iraq next.williamglenn said:2 -
“The people” is defined as Tory voters.IanB2 said:
I see you have given up on the will of the people argument.HYUFD said:
Blair knows a united Remain can get 50%+ in EUref2 but if the Remain vote is split between Labour, the LDs and Greens and SNP under FPTP Boris can deliver a Tory majority and Brexit on just 30%+.williamglenn said:0 -
Stephen Kinnock?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
1983 again for the Labour Party?MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.
So, who will be Neil Kinnock?1 -
Nobody, if it is 1983 again the LDs will do what the SDP just missed out on and replace Labour as the main party of the centre left, leaving Labour with just the hard leftAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
1983 again for the Labour Party?MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.
So, who will be Neil Kinnock?0 -
Jo SwinsonAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
1983 again for the Labour Party?MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.
So, who will be Neil Kinnock?0 -
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1189249212447215616?s=20solarflare said:I saw a tweet earlier today saying "where's Nigel Farage today, not a peep". Still true this evening as far as I can tell. Thought he was desperate for an election too.
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Bake-off final.....0
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Boris wins 12th vote0
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Is that a welsh constituency?MarqueeMark said:Bake-off final.....
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Government defeats a Labour motion for a 9th December election 315 to 2950
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Looks like the amendment has lost0
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Incoming:
295-315 against 9th Dec0 -
295-3150
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So much for rumours from the Sun0
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He's on a roll.......Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris wins 12th vote
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Dec 13th almost secure now2
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Good, a Thursday election is far preferable.0
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3rd reading expected to be nodded thru0
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Labour are deeply worried for a reason......The_Taxman said:
Fantasy land...MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.0 -
The rumour I heard was that he's on a transatlantic flight.TudorRose said:
Edited.solarflare said:I saw a tweet earlier today saying "where's Nigel Farage today, not a peep". Still true this evening as far as I can tell. Thought he was desperate for an election too.
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This is a farce0
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Not all of them are worried. And Tories are already getting triumphant, which is not a good look.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are deeply worried for a reason......The_Taxman said:
Fantasy land...MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.0 -
Leslie trying to move a late amendment0
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-50225227ydoethur said:
Bafflingly, Trump is not necessarily unpopular with the voters Johnson is trying to attract.viewcode said:
All those pictures of Boris with Trump...Philip_Thompson said:I'd think 9/12 would be better for the Tories than 12/12 - closer to NATO Summit if that does give Johnson a boost....
"Harry Dunn's family is to sue crash suspect Anne Sacoolas, their spokesman in the United States has said.
"Family spokesman Radd Seiger said lawyers would also look at "lawless misconduct" of the US administration."0 -
Silly decision Monday would be less disruptive to Christmas plans but no matter it will be what it will be, she is not a very good speaker by and by quite poor?0
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Ruled out of order0
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So 2019 UK general election is going to be Thursday 12th December 2019?0
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More realistically, Johnson proves a totally incompetent PM, and is rapidly ditched in favour of somebody unexpected - possibly Hunt, whom he might recall as soon as Brexit is over and he can ditch Raab.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are deeply worried for a reason......The_Taxman said:
Fantasy land...MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.
And that person, in the absence of an opposition, could easily still win in 2023.0 -
Boris has had a good daykle4 said:
Not all of them are worried. And Tories are already getting triumphant, which is not a good look.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are deeply worried for a reason......The_Taxman said:
Fantasy land...MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.0 -
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again.0 -
3rd reading division - sounds like just the Labour anti-election folk against0
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What time did the Wales v SA game kick off on Sunday?MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.0 -
Eleanor Laing deeply unimpressive there. Is she up for Speaker? Useless.1
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Stop with the silly buggery you absolute tw@ts in parliament. Enough is enough. 12th December, get on with it.0
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Who cares? It’s shite either way.ydoethur said:
More realistically, Johnson proves a totally incompetent PM, and is rapidly ditched in favour of somebody unexpected - possibly Hunt, whom he might recall as soon as Brexit is over and he can ditch Raab.MarqueeMark said:
Labour are deeply worried for a reason......The_Taxman said:
Fantasy land...MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.1 -
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The election to decide who gets to own the Brexit recession.0
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Yes and my 95% two weeks ago has turned into 100%GIN1138 said:So 2019 UK general election is going to be Thursday 12th December 2019?
Mind you it was a bit fraught2 -
I was right (I thought it was him I heard); he did his show tonight and was commenting that the Europhiles are back in the Tory party.oldpolitics said:
The rumour I heard was that he's on a transatlantic flight.TudorRose said:
Edited.solarflare said:I saw a tweet earlier today saying "where's Nigel Farage today, not a peep". Still true this evening as far as I can tell. Thought he was desperate for an election too.
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Something rejected at an earlier stage, I believe. Probably the votes at 16. He argued the bill was amended opening the door to further amendments.kle4 said:
What was he trying to move?IanB2 said:Leslie trying to move a late amendment
Interesting that Laing ruled it out of order seconds before Bercow arrived to retake the chair0 -
Where's Lyndsey?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Eleanor Laing deeply unimpressive there. Is she up for Speaker? Useless.
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Anti tellers are from PC and the iG - Labour isn’t opposing (officially)0
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How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
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Any kind of formal alliance, sure, but informally?Flanner said:
I wish. But if Johnson loses oodles of seats (and I think he will), I just can't see how Labour can decapitate Corbyn. I'd love to see him lose his seat - but even I believe Johnson, Swinson and Farage are likelier to lose theirs.rottenborough said:I'm in the mood for a wild prediction. So here goes:
Johnson will lose on 9th December and within days we will have a coalition government led by Starmer, Harmen or Benn.
Personally, I believe the bloodiest political spectacle after the election will be Corbyn clinging on as most of Labour try getting rid of him, and Sturgeon and Swinson (who'll command around 100 seats between them) refuse any kind of formal alliance with a party he leads.
Junking Brexit will be a doddle by comparison0 -
I'm confused what all the other bits going on after the 9th amendment was defeated. What was that all about? Corbyn and Johnson going through the same lobby now, then?0
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Just rejoice at that news!Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris wins 12th vote
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Just nodding thru the technical consequentialsOblitusSumMe said:I'm confused what all the other bits going on after the 9th amendment was defeated. What was that all about? Corbyn and Johnson going through the same lobby now, then?
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Laing has eased slightly in the betting and is 5/1 in a couple of places.AndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
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Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again.0 -
Is this vote the key one?0
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Eleanor seemed lost but it is a bit unfair as it is a very highly charged atmosphereAndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
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Looking forward to some Ashcroft constituency polling.1
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BBC. Dissolving 5 Nov. There will be fireworks.0
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Iain Dale just noting the result will be known on Friday 13th.....0
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That could be really useful to the LDs in particular in terms of deciding where they should be targeting resources.AndyJS said:Looking forward to some Ashcroft constituency polling.
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It’s officially on?0
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Majority on this one likely to be around 500 if people bother to vote on it.GIN1138 said:Is this vote the key one?
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In terms of mileage that's rather significant. Apart from heritage railways, the only single track sections (aside from passing loops) are the Pwllheli line, the Heart of Wales, Fishguard branch and Milford Haven branch.ydoethur said:
Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again.0 -
Historic resonance klaxon.Jonathan said:BBC. Desolving 5 Nov.
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Blimey! I knew the BBC were under pressure, but dissolving?!Jonathan said:BBC. Desolving 5 Nov. There will be fireworks.
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I'm extremely worried we're going to lose this.0
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FunnyBenpointer said:
Blimey! I knew the BBC were under pressure, but dissolving?!Jonathan said:BBC. Desolving 5 Nov. There will be fireworks.
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Since it was a manuscript amendment, she did need to pause to read it, but might have handled the situation more confidently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Eleanor seemed lost but it is a bit unfair as it is a very highly charged atmosphereAndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
Leslie is right that the amendment opens the door to further amendments, but they would normally only be taken if the change made to the motion is pertinent to the further amendment. Since there is no practical difference between 9 and 12 December in relation to expanding the franchise, Laing was right to dismiss it. I would have been interested to see what Bercow might have done, had he arrived thirty seconds earlier.0 -
Is there any chance of Gina Miller contesting this in the Supreme Court?2
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Yes. Sorry about that.Benpointer said:
Blimey! I knew the BBC were under pressure, but dissolving?!Jonathan said:BBC. Desolving 5 Nov. There will be fireworks.
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As always, Parliament can actually do things quickly on the few times it chooses to, but it always feels a little bit like no one *quite* knows what's going on.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Eleanor seemed lost but it is a bit unfair as it is a very highly charged atmosphereAndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
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Aberystwyth, the Valleys lines, the Conwy Valley including the Llandudno branch, and the Wrexham networks all say hello.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In terms of mileage that's rather significant. Apart from heritage railways, the only single track sections (aside from passing loops) are the Pwllheli line, the Heart of Wales, Fishguard branch and Milford Haven branch.ydoethur said:
Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again.0 -
Jo Maugham preparing himself, as we speak.Chris said:Is there any chance of Gina Miller contesting this in the Supreme Court?
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Well, I did know that Japan had not had daylight saving since 1953. I had just assumed that the two games were on at the same local time. As it was, they timed the second game one hour later. The assumption must have been that a six nations side was going to be in that semi - so it was done for the European audience.DougSeal said:
What time did the Wales v SA game kick off on Sunday?MarqueeMark said:I think the Labour internal polling is right.
They will lose 100 seats, primarily to the Tories.
Boris has a solid majority, drives his Deal through before year end. We leave on 1st January 2020.
Boris becomes a surprisingly liberal PM. And wins over a broad swathe of doubters. Wins easily again in 2023.
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Wonder if there will be an opinion poll somewhere tonight?
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Very almost. This will be opposed by PC, the remaining ex-TIG INDYS, and a small group within Labour. Probably about 50 total.RobD said:It’s officially on?
Then it goes to the Lords, tonight for first reading (a formality) then debate tomorrow. But hard to see the Lords legitimately interfering in an electoral matter. With all major parties in favour it should sail through.0 -
That probably makes sense. IF there is a Tory majority after the election a Tory candidate will be value. Labour broke the alternation rule when they were in government and it is hard to see victorious Tories standing on precedent after their experiences of the past few months..DecrepitJohnL said:
Laing has eased slightly in the betting and is 5/1 in a couple of places.AndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
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She actually came out in support of an election the other day, much to my surprise.Chris said:Is there any chance of Gina Miller contesting this in the Supreme Court?
https://news.sky.com/video/gina-miller-its-a-shame-we-havent-got-a-better-deal-118428460 -
It would be a lot harder for the Conservatives if it was delayed into next year.MaxPB said:I'm extremely worried we're going to lose this.
And it would have been harder if Labour had agreed to a GE when Boris first tried to get one.0 -
So Turkeys do vote for Xmas.0
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I don't even know how I am going to vote, let alone anyone in the area I live in.IanB2 said:
And a cautionary tale about relying too heavily on people who ‘know the area’?ydoethur said:
One thing to bear in mind is that this is an election where many old loyalties have been broken and therefore many old certainties are no longer certain. Let’s take B&R. One reason I was fairly confident of a Tory hold was that I knew Chris Davies’ vote in rural areas was solid. Given the geography of the seat I simply did not believe that the Liberal Democrats could overcome that solidity without the aid of Ystradgynlais, which knowing Ystradgynlais well I was certain they would not get. Tactical voting is a concept as alien to those voters as fiscal sanity is to Lloyd Russell-Moyle or sexual continence to Boris Johnson.Recidivist said:I visited Stoke in the eighties, when it wasn't especially prosperous and then again a few months ago. I can completely understand why people there are pissed off with Labour. I don't think I'd vote Tory there though.
And I was right, they couldn’t. But they didn’t need to. Ystradgynlais deserted Labour to the Liberal Democrats.
If that can happen there, there is the potential for a huge number of shocks and wins from third. That makes the election highly unpredictable even before we factor in the timing, the unprecedented weakness of key figures and the backdrop of national crisis.0 -
On what grounds?Chris said:Is there any chance of Gina Miller contesting this in the Supreme Court?
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Good to see PB focused on Welsh railways on this momentous day.ydoethur said:
Aberystwyth, the Valleys lines, the Conwy Valley including the Llandudno branch, and the Wrexham networks all say hello.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In terms of mileage that's rather significant. Apart from heritage railways, the only single track sections (aside from passing loops) are the Pwllheli line, the Heart of Wales, Fishguard branch and Milford Haven branch.ydoethur said:
Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again. 0 -
I was just testing you, ydoethurydoethur said:
Aberystwyth, the Valleys lines, the Conwy Valley including the Llandudno branch, and the Wrexham networks all say hello.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In terms of mileage that's rather significant. Apart from heritage railways, the only single track sections (aside from passing loops) are the Pwllheli line, the Heart of Wales, Fishguard branch and Milford Haven branch.ydoethur said:
Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
I really want to go knocking up the voters again.
(I can't be bothered to fetch my Baker atlas from upstairs!)0 -
+ 10000Benpointer said:
Good to see PB focused on Welsh railways on this momentous day.ydoethur said:
Aberystwyth, the Valleys lines, the Conwy Valley including the Llandudno branch, and the Wrexham networks all say hello.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In terms of mileage that's rather significant. Apart from heritage railways, the only single track sections (aside from passing loops) are the Pwllheli line, the Heart of Wales, Fishguard branch and Milford Haven branch.ydoethur said:
Not sure I’d go for ‘plenty.’ Isn’t it the line from Cardiff to Carmarthen (including the spur to Swansea) the line from Cardiff to the Severn Tunnel, the Forest line to Lydney, the Monmouthshire Main Line to Hereford, the North Wales Coastline and er, that’s it?Sunil_Prasannan said:
There are plenty of double track railways in Wales, eg. Severn Tunnel to Swansea.TheScreamingEagles said:
You've got a mind like a Welsh railway, one track and filthy.ydoethur said:
You clearly didn’t learn much from this seminar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Depending on work commitments I will be.MarqueeMark said:
You should be; will you be?TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave you human dildo.HYUFD said:
If you prefer to vote for a Corbyn Labour candidate over a Tory shows you have finally burnt your bridges with the partyTheScreamingEagles said:
Assuming the Labour candidate in Morley & Outwood isn't an antisemite I'd vote Labour in that seat.SandyRentool said:
Is it Andrea Jenkyns again?TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify, although I shall be campaigning for a Tory in this election campaign, just one.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Good but no Ken Clarke means No rejoining the Tory party for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm less worried about Grieve or Letwin.... would prefer Phil back in.
I've said I should be campaigning for a Tory candidate in this election.
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I still don't understand. Laing clearly tells Bercow "I don't know what to do", and that's after she has asked for a shout-out from the Ayes. Bercow came in between Johnson and Mogg. What was it that she didn't know how to handle? What does it mean that the "knife has fallen"?IanB2 said:
Since it was a manuscript amendment, she did need to pause to read it, but might have handled the situation more confidently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Eleanor seemed lost but it is a bit unfair as it is a very highly charged atmosphereAndyJS said:
How so? Eleanor Laing just got a bit confused there.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is a farce
Leslie is right that the amendment opens the door to further amendments, but they would normally only be taken if the change made to the motion is pertinent to the further amendment. Since there is no practical difference between 9 and 12 December in relation to expanding the franchise, Laing was right to dismiss it. I would have been interested to see what Bercow might have done, had he arrived thirty seconds earlier.0 -
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MPs vote 438 to 20 for a December 12th general election0
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