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Are you getting that information from their Twitter feed?Sean_F said:So far Lucy Allan, Boris Johnson, John Whittingdale, Charles Elphicke have switched to support the WA. Any others?
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Time to start threatening expulsions if they don't come into line.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.0 -
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1110983859007639552
This is exposing the pragmatists and the hard core of the ERG.0 -
+1MikeSmithson said:Just going on 5Live
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So why don't local businesses and schools etc. just start and finish an hour earlier, or later?MaxPB said:
I have and it's completely crap. Daylight at really odd times.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve been a few times.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
But not to the extremes of the time zones.0 -
They'd get a vote on the WAIB (Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill).IanB2 said:
They don't get a vote. The best they can do, I believe, is make suggestions.Philip_Thompson said:
If the Lords votes down the WAIB they'd be risking no deal. Not going to happen.ydoethur said:
The Withdrawal Agreement. That's doubly embarrassing as I have just smeared much red ink all over Year 10's books where they start answers with the word 'It's...'IanB2 said:
What's "it"?ydoethur said:
The weather can.Pulpstar said:
Eh ? The lunar cycles don't change much !Sandpit said:
Easter’s easy, the dates are fixed years in advance.paulyork64 said:
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.tlg86 said:
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.Casino_Royale said:
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.Sandpit said:Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
Try living in a Muslim country, where they need to actually see the new moon to confirm the date - which leads to people finding out at 9pm or thereabouts whether the holiday is on the next day or the day after...
I'm more interested in the loony cycles going on in the Commons right now.
Has anyone worked out what happens if the Commons comes to its senses and the Lords vote it down? Or does it only have to pass one house?0 -
And 9.18 in Penzance.Ishmael_Z said:
GMT is real time on (and only on) the Greenwich meridian; so for instance in real real time, 9 pm at Greenwich is 9.05 in Oxford.ydoethur said:
All that Jinping about between time zones is tiresome though.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
If we keep GMT (i.e. this funny thing called real time) and the EU impose a different time zone, won't that create a hard border in Ireland?
But if we move to GMT+1 then nowhere will be on the right time.0 -
How about deselecting Jenkyns and ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Andrea Jenkyns will be the final holdout.Pulpstar said:
I think that is probably Anne Marie MorrisSlackbladder said:
The final holdoutsAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
Curses to David Herdson for getting her elected.
... David Herdson MP ?0 -
I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?0
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It's China, they don't have local decisions.IanB2 said:
So why don't local businesses and schools etc. just start and finish an hour earlier, or later?MaxPB said:
I have and it's completely crap. Daylight at really odd times.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve been a few times.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
But not to the extremes of the time zones.0 -
NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
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Anne Marie Morris voted against the Brady amendment, that's what I'm going off.TheScreamingEagles said:
Andrea Jenkyns will be the final holdout.Pulpstar said:
I think that is probably Anne Marie MorrisSlackbladder said:
The final holdoutsAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
Curses to David Herdson for getting her elected.0 -
Aargh. I put it on for OGH and I now have the nauseating witterings of Nadine Dorries to wade through...AndyJS said:
+1MikeSmithson said:Just going on 5Live
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Canadians are weird. Some of them speak French as a first language.Casino_Royale said:
How many time zones does the US and Canada have?TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
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Anne Marie Trevalyn will be final holdout.TheScreamingEagles said:
Andrea Jenkyns will be the final holdout.Pulpstar said:
I think that is probably Anne Marie MorrisSlackbladder said:
The final holdoutsAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
Curses to David Herdson for getting her elected.
But Ed Balls would have been a holdout too so why does Jenkyns matter?0 -
Tough. The present system waits till things are getting miserable in late October, and then makes it much worse, and waits till the evenings are brightening up so much that it doesn't really matter before changing back.ydoethur said:
And 9.18 in Penzance.Ishmael_Z said:
GMT is real time on (and only on) the Greenwich meridian; so for instance in real real time, 9 pm at Greenwich is 9.05 in Oxford.ydoethur said:
All that Jinping about between time zones is tiresome though.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
If we keep GMT (i.e. this funny thing called real time) and the EU impose a different time zone, won't that create a hard border in Ireland?
But if we move to GMT+1 then nowhere will be on the right time.0 -
Sorry that's who I meant.Pulpstar said:
Anne Marie Morris voted against the Brady amendment, that's what I'm going off.TheScreamingEagles said:
Andrea Jenkyns will be the final holdout.Pulpstar said:
I think that is probably Anne Marie MorrisSlackbladder said:
The final holdoutsAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
Curses to David Herdson for getting her elected.0 -
The ERG pragmatists switched on MV2.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1110983859007639552
This is exposing the pragmatists and the hard core of the ERG.
The ERG posturers are switching now.
The ERG nutters will never switch.0 -
According to @samcoatestimes some of the ERG don't believe the PM's promise.0
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It looks like it's all panning out like the Guardian projected earlier: the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg flipping, but 15 holdouts from the ERG along with the DUP, resulting in the deal failing by 42 votes:Slackbladder said:
The final holdoutsAramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/mar/27/can-you-get-mays-deal-through-meaningful-vote-30 -
Yup. It really says as much about the inadequacies of a UK-wide time as an EU-wide time would.Ishmael_Z said:
Tough. The present system waits till things are getting miserable in late October, and then makes it much worse, and waits till the evenings are brightening up so much that it doesn't really matter before changing back.ydoethur said:
And 9.18 in Penzance.Ishmael_Z said:
GMT is real time on (and only on) the Greenwich meridian; so for instance in real real time, 9 pm at Greenwich is 9.05 in Oxford.ydoethur said:
All that Jinping about between time zones is tiresome though.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
If we keep GMT (i.e. this funny thing called real time) and the EU impose a different time zone, won't that create a hard border in Ireland?
But if we move to GMT+1 then nowhere will be on the right time.0 -
But at least none of them campaigned for Andrea Jenkyns.TheScreamingEagles said:
Canadians are weird. Some of them speak French as a first language.Casino_Royale said:
How many time zones does the US and Canada have?TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
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He is storming out as he knows it is over.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
The deal passes on Friday.0 -
Just nonsense as I said. There's sometimes an attraction in spinning out daft stories and seeing if anyone is with you at the end. I guess I'll refund your ride, but I'd hope not to see you in the complaints queue.ydoethur said:
Right. OK. That sort of makes sense.Omnium said:
Sorry. Just nonsense. However as an explanation - you have an unpronouncable PB moniker. One might imagine that you'd had your real name stolen and rearranged. Thus you might need a lawyer. Jarndice vs Janrdice is the fictional worlds most famous lawyerly thing. My theme was of course influenced by Kafka.ydoethur said:
I must have been busy today, because that makes no sense at all and I haven't touched a drop of alcohol (unless somebody's been monkeying with my tap).Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
Would you mind explaining?
The only thing I would say is that my moniker is nothing to do with my name, and is in fact a real phrase spelled phonetically.
I will admit it is a real phrase spelled phonetically in Welsh, but that doesn't make it unpronounceable.0 -
Nadine Dorries really is peculiar, isn't she? And yet even she's not backing Boris for leader...0
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Can't someone lock Bercow in the loo for a few hours on Friday morning and get Lynsey in the chair?WhisperingOracle said:And what about Bercow ? There are still multiple obstacles in the way.
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That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
GMT, then move to an 8 - 4 working day. Job done.Ishmael_Z said:
Tough. The present system waits till things are getting miserable in late October, and then makes it much worse, and waits till the evenings are brightening up so much that it doesn't really matter before changing back.ydoethur said:
And 9.18 in Penzance.Ishmael_Z said:
GMT is real time on (and only on) the Greenwich meridian; so for instance in real real time, 9 pm at Greenwich is 9.05 in Oxford.ydoethur said:
All that Jinping about between time zones is tiresome though.MaxPB said:
If you'd been to China you wouldn't say that, it's completely stupid in some parts.TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
If we keep GMT (i.e. this funny thing called real time) and the EU impose a different time zone, won't that create a hard border in Ireland?
But if we move to GMT+1 then nowhere will be on the right time.0 -
Paper ballots in the HoC? What has the world come to....0
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Its the DUP. Dogma is all they have.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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I believe there's still negotiating to be done.AndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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Always assumed it was "Why do either?".ydoethur said:
Right. OK. That sort of makes sense.Omnium said:
Sorry. Just nonsense. However as an explanation - you have an unpronouncable PB moniker. One might imagine that you'd had your real name stolen and rearranged. Thus you might need a lawyer. Jarndice vs Janrdice is the fictional worlds most famous lawyerly thing. My theme was of course influenced by Kafka.ydoethur said:
I must have been busy today, because that makes no sense at all and I haven't touched a drop of alcohol (unless somebody's been monkeying with my tap).Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
Would you mind explaining?
The only thing I would say is that my moniker is nothing to do with my name, and is in fact a real phrase spelled phonetically.
I will admit it is a real phrase spelled phonetically in Welsh, but that doesn't make it unpronounceable.0 -
Does it matter? At this stage the why seems unimportant.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.0 -
Look at united Ireland polling under different Brexit scenarios and it’s pretty clear what they’re holding out for.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
I had it down as Welsh for "the doctor", in a Dr Whoish sort of way.dixiedean said:
Always assumed it was "Why do either?".ydoethur said:
Right. OK. That sort of makes sense.Omnium said:
Sorry. Just nonsense. However as an explanation - you have an unpronouncable PB moniker. One might imagine that you'd had your real name stolen and rearranged. Thus you might need a lawyer. Jarndice vs Janrdice is the fictional worlds most famous lawyerly thing. My theme was of course influenced by Kafka.ydoethur said:
I must have been busy today, because that makes no sense at all and I haven't touched a drop of alcohol (unless somebody's been monkeying with my tap).Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
Would you mind explaining?
The only thing I would say is that my moniker is nothing to do with my name, and is in fact a real phrase spelled phonetically.
I will admit it is a real phrase spelled phonetically in Welsh, but that doesn't make it unpronounceable.0 -
Tonight is the night Steve Baker took back control of the ERG0
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They'll switch. Friday is Brexit day they are not going to risk Parliament taking control on Monday again and vote against Brexit on Brexit day. It's over.another_richard said:
The ERG pragmatists switched on MV2.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1110983859007639552
This is exposing the pragmatists and the hard core of the ERG.
The ERG posturers are switching now.
The ERG nutters will never switch.
I know these things go down to the last hour but that is literally happening now. If the result is announced at 10pm on Friday then at the literal last hour the deal is passed.
It's almost poetic.0 -
It's just the sort of cynical politicking that the public abhors. I agree with Anna Soubry who's saying precisely this on Channel 4 News at the moment.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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Is there some point at which the number of ERG holdouts is few enough to whip?0
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Baker has his fan club on Twitter comparing him to Churchill.Pulpstar said:Tonight is the night Steve Baker took back control of the ERG
Given the size of his ego, that will win over everything else.0 -
Only 21% of them. 57% speak the Queen's as a first language, and 16% claim equal proficiency in both.TheScreamingEagles said:
Canadians are weird. Some of them speak French as a first language.Casino_Royale said:
How many time zones does the US and Canada have?TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
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It does because their votes need to be unlocked, if they can.ydoethur said:
Does it matter? At this stage the why seems unimportant.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
Yes, fighting a GE on "let's leave the customs union" will be a sure fire winner.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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I'm imagining some cross between 1990's House of Cards and a healing session at a Quakers' meeting house.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
another_richard said:
The ERG pragmatists switched on MV2.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1110983859007639552
This is exposing the pragmatists and the hard core of the ERG.
The ERG posturers are switching now.
The ERG nutters will never switch.
That’s a good summary.0 -
I missed him too.ydoethur said:
Aargh. I put it on for OGH and I now have the nauseating witterings of Nadine Dorries to wade through...AndyJS said:
+1MikeSmithson said:Just going on 5Live
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May will abstain on the indicative votes tonight as will Tory whips
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-477255290 -
I get that (it works out about 1.14), but who would have thought in late 2015 that he would see off Cameron and the next Con PM after that?Sandpit said:
Lay Corbyn for next PM, if you want to bet on him facing a third Tory PM as LotO.Drutt said:I don't even think there was a market on it, but did anyone have money on Corbyn seeing off two Con PMs?
Anyway, HoC due back.0 -
Give the man an amusing animal stamp. That is indeed what it means.Ishmael_Z said:
I had it down as Welsh for "the doctor", in a Dr Whoish sort of way.dixiedean said:
Always assumed it was "Why do either?".ydoethur said:
Right. OK. That sort of makes sense.Omnium said:
Sorry. Just nonsense. However as an explanation - you have an unpronouncable PB moniker. One might imagine that you'd had your real name stolen and rearranged. Thus you might need a lawyer. Jarndice vs Janrdice is the fictional worlds most famous lawyerly thing. My theme was of course influenced by Kafka.ydoethur said:
I must have been busy today, because that makes no sense at all and I haven't touched a drop of alcohol (unless somebody's been monkeying with my tap).Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
Would you mind explaining?
The only thing I would say is that my moniker is nothing to do with my name, and is in fact a real phrase spelled phonetically.
I will admit it is a real phrase spelled phonetically in Welsh, but that doesn't make it unpronounceable.
For those in doubt, in English phonetics it's pronounced uh DOY theer.0 -
Debate resumes on the extension regulations.0
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One up on me. I never twigged it was Welsh. Which is bleeding obvious I now see...Ishmael_Z said:
I had it down as Welsh for "the doctor", in a Dr Whoish sort of way.dixiedean said:
Always assumed it was "Why do either?".ydoethur said:
Right. OK. That sort of makes sense.Omnium said:
Sorry. Just nonsense. However as an explanation - you have an unpronouncable PB moniker. One might imagine that you'd had your real name stolen and rearranged. Thus you might need a lawyer. Jarndice vs Janrdice is the fictional worlds most famous lawyerly thing. My theme was of course influenced by Kafka.ydoethur said:
I must have been busy today, because that makes no sense at all and I haven't touched a drop of alcohol (unless somebody's been monkeying with my tap).Omnium said:
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.ydoethur said:
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.Omnium said:
A firm of solicitors has never held office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1110971801503498241
might help others.
Would you mind explaining?
The only thing I would say is that my moniker is nothing to do with my name, and is in fact a real phrase spelled phonetically.
I will admit it is a real phrase spelled phonetically in Welsh, but that doesn't make it unpronounceable.0 -
Ave it Brexit opinion!
Theresa = acting with dignity, doing the best for the country as per usual
CON = most members ok, some (k)nobs
Mogg = knob
LAB = unfit to govern
SNP = makes LAB look like serious party
TIG and LD =
Corbyn = *
Bercow = **0 -
Perhaps they want to be the ones wot won it for the sake of the UKCasino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
But they can't. So it doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
It does because their votes need to be unlocked, if they can.ydoethur said:
Does it matter? At this stage the why seems unimportant.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.0 -
Hmm. An interesting suggestion, and quite possible, I think.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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Well it will for Tories, Corbyn as PM guarantees staying permanently in a Customs UnionIanB2 said:
Yes, fighting a GE on "let's leave the customs union" will be a sure fire winner.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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In Xinjiang, two time standards, namely, Beijing Time and Xinjiang Time, are used in parallel.[4][5]TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
Xinjiang Time, also known as Ürümqi Time (Chinese: 乌鲁木齐时间; pinyin: Wūlǔmùqí Shíjiān), is set due to its geographical location in the westernmost part of the country.[9] The time offset is UTC+06:00, which is two hours behind Beijing, and is shared with neighbouring Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.
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The coexistence of two timezones within the same region causes some confusion among the local population, especially when inter-racial communication occurs. When a time is mentioned in conversation between Han and Uyghur, it is necessary to either explicitly make clear whether the time is in Xinjiang Time or Beijing Time, or convert the time according to the ethnicity of the other party.[13][14][15] The double time standard is particularly observable in Xinjiang Television, which schedules its Chinese channel according to Beijing time and its Uyghur and Kazakh channels according to Xinjiang time. [16]
Regardless, Beijing Time users in Xinjiang usually schedule their daily activities two hours later than those who live in eastern China. As such, stores and offices in Xinjiang are commonly open from 10am to 7pm Beijing Time, which equals 8am to 5pm in Ürümqi Time.[17] This is known as the work/rest time in Xinjiang.[18]
In most areas of Xinjiang, the opening time of local authorities is additionally modified by shifting the morning session 30–60 minutes backward and the afternoon session 30 minutes forward to extend the lunch break for 60–90 minutes, so as to avoid the intense heat during noon time in the area during summer.[12]
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Good to see Mogg talking knob as per usual0
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Moreover, May has just basically promised a Brexiteer to negotiate a trade deal...Casino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
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Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.0 -
And so the international law v UK law difference of view emerges, with ERG keen to probe what happens if the regulations don't pass.0
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Indeed. All we've heard for months and months is what a crap deal this is. Now May has gone...it isn't.AndyJS said:
It's just the sort of cynical politicking that the public abhors. I agree with Anna Soubry who's saying precisely this on Channel 4 News at the moment.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
Of course it is more complex, but you could not blame the casual observer from thinking that.0 -
For a completely unrelated £1bn, I would imagine the DUP might abstain along with a few of the remaining ERG purists. That should see it home.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.0 -
If every Tory MP last time had backed the Deal it would have passed.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.
If she's still a few short May should do a Maastricht Major and call it a confidence vote with withdrawal of the whip for any who vote against.
Will cost her a few Labour Leavers but put the DUP on the spot.0 -
Well, we don’t know. That’s what I’m saying.ydoethur said:
But they can't. So it doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
It does because their votes need to be unlocked, if they can.ydoethur said:
Does it matter? At this stage the why seems unimportant.Casino_Royale said:
That’s about right.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Commentator on Beeb claiming TMay still 25-30 short, even with a rump of ERG switchers.IanB2 said:
When they need to rebel against the ERG's own whip they truly have reached the end of the road.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Claire Ellicott
@ClaireEllicott1
Steve Baker storms out and says 'no comment' when asked about the deal. An angry-looking Mark Francois shouts 'no'
They will never, ever, surrender.
I can’t work out if the DUP are holding out for money and UK Government divergence assurances, or if they’re just being utterly dogmatic.
There were straws in the wind that was precisely what they were looking for over the weekend.
May may just simply being her stubborn and tone-deaf best.0 -
If the Tories call another snap GE and the reason has anything to do with Brexit, I expect they will be in for another surprise.HYUFD said:
Well it will for Tories, Corbyn as PM guarantees staying permanently in a Customs UnionIanB2 said:
Yes, fighting a GE on "let's leave the customs union" will be a sure fire winner.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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I think we're already there.No_Offence_Alan said:Is there some point at which the number of ERG holdouts is few enough to whip?
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CROSSOVER KLAXON.
MV3 to pass is now odds on, at least at WmHills. Evs or thereabouts elsewhere.0 -
Labour enjoying pointing out to the Tories that making such a fuss to put the leaving date into legislation wasn't actually such a bright idea.0
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For an unrelated billion and a face saving gesture they may even vote for. But the ERG got its pound of flesh tonight, the DUP will not switch until they've got theirs.RobinWiggs said:
For a completely unrelated £1bn, I would imagine the DUP might abstain along with a few of the remaining ERG purists. That should see it home.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.0 -
AndyJS said:
It's just the sort of cynical politicking that the public abhors. I agree with Anna Soubry who's saying precisely this on Channel 4 News at the moment.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
Indeed, but unfortunately politics has a small p as well as a big P.
And she’s not immune to it herself.0 -
It's over.Drutt said:CROSSOVER KLAXON.
MV3 to pass is now odds on, at least at WmHills. Evs or thereabouts elsewhere.0 -
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As long as the backstop remains even £1 trillion will not concert the DUPRobinWiggs said:
For a completely unrelated £1bn, I would imagine the DUP might abstain along with a few of the remaining ERG purists. That should see it home.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.0 -
Russian Railways has only just stopped the practice of quoting all arrival and departure times, wherever they may be, in Moscow time. Which is making planning an itinerary for a trip next year much easier (or maybe only slightly easier, it's still a bloody long way from Kazań to Yekaterinburg for example)Sunil_Prasannan said:TheScreamingEagles said:If China can cope with one time zone then so should the EU.
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I wonder whether there will be any hanging chads tonight0
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The DUP would likely still vote against and for VONC in those circumstancesPhilip_Thompson said:
If every Tory MP last time had backed the Deal it would have passed.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.
If she's still a few short May should do a Maastricht Major and call it a confidence vote with withdrawal of the whip for any who vote against.
Will cost her a few Labour Leavers but put the DUP on the spot.0 -
Looks like a good time to bet against it to me. The votes just don’t look to be there yet. There are still too many staunch holdouts.Philip_Thompson said:
It's over.Drutt said:CROSSOVER KLAXON.
MV3 to pass is now odds on, at least at WmHills. Evs or thereabouts elsewhere.0 -
I'm finding myself conflicted. Part of me wants revoke in that I voted remain and think that was still correct but realising revoke is morally indefensible without a second referendum and another referendum could be very destructive. The funny thing is I then prefer May's deal to the softer Brexit approaches. I think in a GE anything softer than May would unravel because you would get some of the advantages of membership, most of the the disadvantages but crucially no political representation.0
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Given a general election like that I would hold my nose and vote Labour - rather than abstaining and letting labour win my constituency by default.WhisperingOracle said:
Hmm. An interesting suggestion, and quite possible, I think.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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Indeed. The Tory nut job (e.g Bone) and crypto kipper (e.g Jenkyns) alliance suffer from the illusion the public treat a GE as a vote exclusively on Europe. They don't.IanB2 said:
If the Tories call another snap GE and the reason has anything to do with Brexit, I expect they will be in for another surprise.HYUFD said:
Well it will for Tories, Corbyn as PM guarantees staying permanently in a Customs UnionIanB2 said:
Yes, fighting a GE on "let's leave the customs union" will be a sure fire winner.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
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Does the bet still win if it passes with an amendment for a second referendum?AlastairMeeks said:
Looks like a good time to bet against it to me. The votes just don’t look to be there yet. There are still too many staunch holdouts.Philip_Thompson said:
It's over.Drutt said:CROSSOVER KLAXON.
MV3 to pass is now odds on, at least at WmHills. Evs or thereabouts elsewhere.0 -
She still needs oppostion members to balance off the Tory remainers. The various reasons why this is less likely now are obvious.Philip_Thompson said:
If every Tory MP last time had backed the Deal it would have passed.HYUFD said:
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the DealCasino_Royale said:
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?HYUFD said:Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.
If she's still a few short May should do a Maastricht Major and call it a confidence vote with withdrawal of the whip for any who vote against.
Will cost her a few Labour Leavers but put the DUP on the spot.0 -
Deal Y/N in a referendum would make AV seem like a wildly popular voting system by comparisonHYUFD said:0 -
Each bookie’s terms need checking individually.williamglenn said:
Does the bet still win if it passes with an amendment for a second referendum?AlastairMeeks said:
Looks like a good time to bet against it to me. The votes just don’t look to be there yet. There are still too many staunch holdouts.Philip_Thompson said:
It's over.Drutt said:CROSSOVER KLAXON.
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As I said before I would expect sadly a repeat of February 1974, May like Heath says 'who governs Britain' the public says 'Not You'. Though like Feb 1974 it would be very close, remember Heath won the popular vote and a majority in England even if Wilson won most seats across the UK.IanB2 said:
If the Tories call another snap GE and the reason has anything to do with Brexit, I expect they will be in for another surprise.HYUFD said:
Well it will for Tories, Corbyn as PM guarantees staying permanently in a Customs UnionIanB2 said:
Yes, fighting a GE on "let's leave the customs union" will be a sure fire winner.HYUFD said:
It has won over Boris, IDS, Burns, Rees-Mogg etc for the Deal which gives it a chance but it will probably still fall just short. If as expected SM and or customs union then wins the indicative votes tonight and MV3 fails May could well call a general election on a platform of giving her a majority for her Deal or BINO with PM Corbyn and the SNPAndyJS said:I'm still wondering: how does Theresa May standing down make the Deal any better than it was before?
I would then expect Corbyn to become PM on a platform of negotiating Single Market and Customs Union BINO with the EU propped up by the SNP while Boris wins the Tory leadership on a hard Brexit platform after May resigns and Boris then becomes Leader of the Opposition0 -
Public perception of May's deal has been battered by the contradictory and often dishonest attacks from ERG and Labour.williamglenn said:0
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