13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
She could stand down right after the Euro elections?
It seems highly odd that a bunch of MPs who have been solidly against something in what is the biggest issue facing our country in a generation, should suddenly change their mind and vote for it just because the PM says she'll stand down.
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.
I remember Jacob's, or was it Boris's, impassioned pleas that it would be like being a vassal for ever.
The ERG seem unable to decide whether the agreement would make Britain even more or less of a vassal state - that's the central problem for them, I think, and it doesn't perform miracles for their intellectual credibility or the perception of their intellectual coherence, to put it mildly.
13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
Late July or August seems most likely to me. Get us through to 22nd May, then start a leadership contest and hand over once the winner is elected. Two to three months for a leadership contest including a membership vote seems quite probable.
They would well advised to limit voting to people who were signed up as members as of 5pm today.
It seems highly odd that a bunch of MPs who have been solidly against something in what is the biggest issue facing our country in a generation, should suddenly change their mind and vote for it just because the PM says she'll stand down.
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.
It's such a good deal the architect must quit, it's a helluva message.
13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
Late July or August seems most likely to me. Get us through to 22nd May, then start a leadership contest and hand over once the winner is elected. Two to three months for a leadership contest including a membership vote seems quite probable.
I just don't know if, on the assumption the deal does go through (which is far from certain), that the Tory backbenchers and Cabinet wannabees will be able to contain themselves and let her wait until Brexit day, but might make her initial a contest by standing down as party leader sooner. As you say a couple of months for a membership vote seem reasonable, but if they make hjer stand down in April as leader, that might only get her through to June.
The DUP love humiliating themselves, I'm sure he's about to roll back his position. Not.
They might.
The DUP have played all this with a pretty straight bat. Good for them, but I think mainly that they have to because if they get it wrong they don't exist.
However, what's the point of saying how much you love the UK if you're not prepared to compromise a little in its interests. What better example of why NI is a valued part of the Union than that they risk very uncomfortable outcomes for the shared good.
A little bit of a risk from the DUP might have very great benefits for them too. And it'd also get the rest of us out of a stupid hole.
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.
I think IF the WA gets passed, there will be a huge clamour from the Mail and the Express claiming to represent "middle England" who will urge her to stay on and cancel her resignation plans.
It seems highly odd that a bunch of MPs who have been solidly against something in what is the biggest issue facing our country in a generation, should suddenly change their mind and vote for it just because the PM says she'll stand down.
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.
It's such a good deal the architect must quit, it's a helluva message.
Even had the deal had a less ructious passage I think she would have been made to quit. Any deal would have been a comrpomise, and so unpopular, and pissed off some faction or other, and the sheer effort required to get it would probably mean all political capital would be exhausted (another reason people want a GE probably). New PM for a new era was very likely the outcome all along, though May would have hoped otherwise I'm sure.
Okay, so I think it's important to make the distinction between Major, Cameron and May who were brought down by Eurosceptics and Thatcher who was brought down by Europhiles.
Its not hidden though and it can be overridden - and if its overridden that is simply recorded. If the limiter determines you're on the wrong rode you override the limiter and that's the end of it.
Technology that can't be overridden is a terrible idea. Technology that assists but can be overridden makes.
15 years ago I would have objected to the Big Brother style road charging and the idea of black box tracking where I am driving and the government knowing that. But lets be honest, our mobile phones do that now anyway.
Not if you don't have a mobile switched on. :-)
It would still cause the car to slow down, and you'd have to realise what was going on before the old Audi 2 inches behind (and not fitted with a limiter) goes into the back of you.
If it was just a warning ping if you accelerate past the limit (like most GPS navigation applications do already if you turn it on) then I can't see that being a problem.
Presumably it would decelerate gradually and not slam on the breaks.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
The WA has not changed significantly, so even if Bercow does allow it, why would anybody change their vote? Why does her departure make any difference to whether the deal is ok?
If your reason for opposing the Deal is because you hate Theresa May, then it makes a difference.
Some oppose May's Deal with the EU because it involves May, some because it involves the EU and some because it involves both May and the EU.
Has ERG played a blinder? Now they let TM's Deal through. Pretend to be outraged in the subsequent leadership campaign, and ride the membership anger to victory? They've managed to drive a few moderates out, making their task of getting to the final 2 easier.
Okay, so I think it's important to make the distinction between Major, Cameron and May who were brought down by Eurosceptics and Thatcher who was brought down by Europhiles.
Fair point. I think the bitterness about Thatcher's downfall also played a large role in subsequent events.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
Late July or August seems most likely to me. Get us through to 22nd May, then start a leadership contest and hand over once the winner is elected. Two to three months for a leadership contest including a membership vote seems quite probable.
I just don't know if, on the assumption the deal does go through (which is far from certain), that the Tory backbenchers and Cabinet wannabees will be able to contain themselves and let her wait until Brexit day, but might make her initial a contest by standing down as party leader sooner. As you say a couple of months for a membership vote seem reasonable, but if they make hjer stand down in April as leader, that might only get her through to June.
No once the vote is passed I think there will be a great show of unity and coming together in preparation for the withdrawal - plus the government will need to be concentrating on making sure the withdrawal goes smoothly. There is a very easy case to make that the last thing that's needed in April/early May is a leadership election. Cabinet Ministers who would be candidates for the election would want to be ensuring we get Brexit over the line smoothly.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
All Member States are equal, but two are more equal than the others.
The DUP up to now have worked according to a different logic, of course, defending their own separate constituency, and so have been less likely to get caught up in the sudden orgy of Conservative self-congratulation and self-interest - on past form only. If they do publicly change position, it would make all this relevant again.
Wait, did JRM say he's only voting for the deal if the DUP at least abstain? Is that a hardening of his position from earlier?
This is an example of what I mean. Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. It's quite simple. How the DUP may or may not vote should not affect the way a Conservative MP will vote.
Wait, did JRM say he's only voting for the deal if the DUP at least abstain? Is that a hardening of his position from earlier?
No softening. Also DUP have cancelled their statement tonight
Really? What on earth has happened or not happened tonight that they could not have expected and therefore needed to cancel whatever they planned to say I wonder?
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
Wait, did JRM say he's only voting for the deal if the DUP at least abstain? Is that a hardening of his position from earlier?
This is an example of what I mean. Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. It's quite simple. How the DUP may or may not vote should not affect the way a Conservative MP will vote.
Especially on such an important issue.
Totally agree. The DUP are not arbiters of what makes a good deal or bad deal. He obviously still thinks it is terrible, but if it is all there is and he believes that he should vote for it, if not he shouldn't.
Wait, did JRM say he's only voting for the deal if the DUP at least abstain? Is that a hardening of his position from earlier?
This is an example of what I mean. Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. It's quite simple. How the DUP may or may not vote should not affect the way a Conservative MP will vote.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
It's a solid flag, bold colours, simple and memorable
Has ERG played a blinder? Now they let TM's Deal through. Pretend to be outraged in the subsequent leadership campaign, and ride the membership anger to victory? They've managed to drive a few moderates out, making their task of getting to the final 2 easier.
Might have been posted before, but the Guardian has a good new simulator about the next "meaningful vote".
It shows how difficult it's going to be to get the deal through. They've made the not-entirely-certain assumption that the Jacob Rees-Mogg bloc (hardline but not completely kamikaze ERGers) will vote for the deal next time, and yet they're STILL projecting a majority of 42 against the deal:
We're going to be back to talking about MV4, aren't we, after her announcement cuts the majority in MV3 but still doesn't pass it but gives her enough faint hope that something else will change. Maybe she can find something else to resign from to bring more folk over.
Maybe Boris will be able to talk Arlene... The DUP seem to love the blond "sinner"
Perhaps she will be for turning, but I cannot help but suspect the Boris's of the world have been playing a game with Brexit, whereas the DUP have not.
Its not hidden though and it can be overridden - and if its overridden that is simply recorded. If the limiter determines you're on the wrong rode you override the limiter and that's the end of it.
Technology that can't be overridden is a terrible idea. Technology that assists but can be overridden makes.
15 years ago I would have objected to the Big Brother style road charging and the idea of black box tracking where I am driving and the government knowing that. But lets be honest, our mobile phones do that now anyway.
Not if you don't have a mobile switched on. :-)
It would still cause the car to slow down, and you'd have to realise what was going on before the old Audi 2 inches behind (and not fitted with a limiter) goes into the back of you.
If it was just a warning ping if you accelerate past the limit (like most GPS navigation applications do already if you turn it on) then I can't see that being a problem.
Presumably it would decelerate gradually and not slam on the breaks.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
It should just give a recorded warning where it thinks you are exceeding the limit. In a replica of your wife's voice. beginning with the simple facts for a first offence, then becoming increasingly sarcastic "oh I didn't know they'd raised the speed limit here darling".
The DUP up to now have worked according to a different logic, of course, defending their own separate constituency, and so have been less likely to get caught up in the sudden orgy of Conservative self-congratulation and self-interest - on past form only. If they do publicly change position, it would make all this relevant again.
I do not see why Mays statement should make any difference to the DUP position. Which is that they oppose the backstop. The backstop will not vanish because May has announced her possible departure.
Wait, did JRM say he's only voting for the deal if the DUP at least abstain? Is that a hardening of his position from earlier?
This is an example of what I mean. Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. It's quite simple. How the DUP may or may not vote should not affect the way a Conservative MP will vote.
Especially on such an important issue.
Totally agree. The DUP are not arbiters of what makes a good deal or bad deal. He obviously still thinks it is terrible, but if it is all there is and he believes that he should vote for it, if not he shouldn't.
Given that Mogg has only just realised that Brexit is a process not an event I rather doubt he 'thinks' at all.
Presumably it would decelerate gradually and not slam on the breaks.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
You might be right. Although if you are on a country road going from a 60 limit to a 30 limit it would have to apply the brakes unless it anticipated the change a long way in advance (and was aware of any gradients).
Still, I usually run cars for a long time, so I shall acquire one without this technology, and when it is time to get rid of it, they'll be fully autonomous. Honest.
We're going to be back to talking about MV4, aren't we, after her announcement cuts the majority in MV3 but still doesn't pass it but gives her enough faint hope that something else will change. Maybe she can find something else to resign from to bring more folk over.
MV4 requires a longer extension. I don't think it is possible, there was talk of it for a bit but then all the eggs went in the MV3 basket before Bercow torpedoed it, I presume because even May realised she will not get a 4th chance.
Who, exactly, will change position for MV4 who did not for MV3? In defence of MV2 switchers there really has been some changes since that vote, but MV3 is happening, if it happens, after parliament indicates its views on revocation, super soft brexit and so on. The fear of the 'wrong' outcome occurring to scare people into supporting the WA surely cannot be any stronger.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
I don't see how there's any chance of an MV4. The EU have publicly strained to say they are no longer involved in any new negotiations for the WA, so no one would be able to say that there would be substantive changes to the deal again before May 22.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
Regardless of one’s view on the matter (and I appreciate there’s a variety of arguments) this should be a national decision and I’m astonished to learn that it’s not.
This has always been my issue with the aegis of the single market: in theory, you can argue that just about anything comes under its scope as a ‘barrier to trade’, when the real political objective is to deliver ever closer union and drive a common European identity.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
That's where you are wrong. I went online and searched for the flags immediately after our exchange about flags at the weekend. I wouldn't want to withhold credit where credit's due.
Presumably it would decelerate gradually and not slam on the breaks.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
You might be right. Although if you are on a country road going from a 60 limit to a 30 limit it would have to apply the brakes unless it anticipated the change a long way in advance (and was aware of any gradients).
Still, I usually run cars for a long time, so I shall acquire one without this technology, and when it is time to get rid of it, they'll be fully autonomous. Honest.
Nothing could possibly go wrong with a computer that's designed to correct "driver error".
Presumably it would decelerate gradually and not slam on the breaks.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
You might be right. Although if you are on a country road going from a 60 limit to a 30 limit it would have to apply the brakes unless it anticipated the change a long way in advance (and was aware of any gradients).
Still, I usually run cars for a long time, so I shall acquire one without this technology, and when it is time to get rid of it, they'll be fully autonomous. Honest.
Alternatively it gradually brings you down from 60 to 30 leaving you still speeding with an alert on the dashboard advising you to break and the black box recording you haven't.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.
Can the Tory MPs collectively organise themselves well enough to keep an ERG-er type from reaching the final two in the leadership ballot? Anyone know the maths well enough?
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
The car stuff is coming anyway (as we admit, because we have voluntarily signed up to it), we can hardly talk about internet-themed idiocy give our home grown law that we must give highly sensitive personal information to a load of pornographers if we want to enjoy a bit of niche video viewing ("show me your credit card to prove that you trust me"), and permanent BST is such a good idea that I'll take it from anyone, Hun or not.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Ah yes, that too.
I live far enough south that we don’t need to change the clocks, but in Northern Europe it’s silly to try and keep one time all year round as the day just gets too short in winter and too long in summer.
Personally I’d be happy to see summer time all year round, because there’s a huge difference between a midweek football match finishing at my 12:45am, and finishing at my 1:45am as they do at the moment!
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
That's where you are wrong. I went online and searched for the flags immediately after our exchange about flags at the weekend. I wouldn't want to withhold credit where credit's due.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
That's where you are wrong. I went online and searched for the flags immediately after our exchange about flags at the weekend. I wouldn't want to withhold credit where credit's due.
Bollocks. You’d already done it or were going to do it anyway.
I just annoyed you, and you’re just trying to piss me off.
May I ask again, is this not all repositioning to avoid the inevitable blame?
As numerous posters here and elsewhere have noted, May leaving doesn't alter the terms of the deal. So if you were against it before, you ought to be against it still. I suppose those of JRM's persuasion are saying that if the deal fails, it weren't their fault because in the end, they voted for it.
Not sure I'd let them off in those circumstances, but then I'm not one of their supporters.
It's amusing how primarily Opposition MPs are playing a game tonight led by Letwin to figure out which options to debate on Monday when the MV3 is going to be successfully passed on Friday rendering it moot.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Since we are due to be out of the EU completely by 2020 we do not, in all likelihood have to make that choice.
Edit. I suspect it will upset the Portuguese though. They experimented with this a few years ago and changed back because it was so disliked.
I don't see how there's any chance of an MV4. The EU have publicly strained to say they are no longer involved in any new negotiations for the WA, so no one would be able to say that there would be substantive changes to the deal again, before May 22.
I take the point, but if MV3 doesn't pass then it's no deal (which May has essentially ruled out) or long extension, and if May falls only a bit short on MV3 do you think she's honestly going to give it up in a long extension period?
Why should the DUP support May's Deal? She goes, there is a general election and they lose their influence.
By going for a long extension they have a potential longer time of their influence.
I imagine the government will manage to find a couple of billion reasons for them to support the deal.
And if she goes there's no guarantee there'll be a general election - though if the deal fails there probably will be. The new PM won't want to risk handing over to Corbyn and will want to get a few successes under their belt first.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
Casino, please. What people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.....
Scandalous ! Boris has always had the country's best interests at heart, as I'm sure we all know. Were it not for all this messy business of politics, he'd probably be living the life of a medieval hermit right now, contemplating the mysteries of the universe.
The DUP up to now have worked according to a different logic, of course, defending their own separate constituency, and so have been less likely to get caught up in the sudden orgy of Conservative self-congratulation and self-interest - on past form only. If they do publicly change position, it would make all this relevant again.
I do not see why Mays statement should make any difference to the DUP position. Which is that they oppose the backstop. The backstop will not vanish because May has announced her possible departure.
The DUPs position is that the have the Tory Party by the balls. They may choose to rotate or not.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Ah yes, that too.
I live far enough south that we don’t need to change the clocks, but in Northern Europe it’s silly to try and keep one time all year round as the day just gets too short in winter and too long in summer.
Personally I’d be happy to see summer time all year round, because there’s a huge difference between a midweek football match finishing at my 12:45am, and finishing at my 1:45am as they do at the moment!
Football is the one thing that could be a problem. At the moment we kick off at 20:00 here and 21:00 on CET. I don't know who that is to suit. It's fine for us and probably for Spain. But it might not be great for Germany. I certainly wouldn't like 21:00 kick offs here.
He's so utterly self-absorbed, I don't think he is even capable of understanding how morally bankrupt he appears. I was at an event recently where somebody asked him if he had any regrets about the last few years. In utter seriousness, he replied that he regretted pulling out of the leadership contest.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.
We should have a meeting to discuss what the date of Easter should be. Perhaps somewhere on the east coast, preferably a fishing port (as Jesus was a fisherman) would be suitable. And we can call it a 'synod' as it is religious.
Probably the Tories will drop several points in the polls after May is ousted and a few of them will think ... “oops”.
NO, the sense of relief at having dodged the "doom" of No Deal will be palpable as life goes on without us having to fight over the first rat (or the last rat).
Second, the Mail and Express will eulogise May if the WA passes and beg her to stay on claiming she has the solid backing of middle England.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.
I'd go for the second Sunday to coincide with The Masters.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
By the way, personal thanks for inspiring me to send off for some EU flags; they arrived today in the post. Very nice they will look hanging from my balcony when we remain, or rejoin.
The idea that I had any bearing or not on your decision to smother yourself in the traitor’s apron or not is laughable.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
Casino, please. What people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.....
I'm more bothered by the mental image I now have of Druncker and Verhofstadt copulating...
I don't see how there's any chance of an MV4. The EU have publicly strained to say they are no longer involved in any new negotiations for the WA, so no one would be able to say that there would be substantive changes to the deal again, before May 22.
I take the point, but if MV3 doesn't pass then it's no deal (which May has essentially ruled out) or long extension, and if May falls only a bit short on MV3 do you think she's honestly going to give it up in a long extension period?
Given how well the debate is going, May would be best advised to hold back on another MV to see what transpires subsequently. Putting it again Friday seems to be government desperate to be seen to be doing *something* rather than just let parliament run off with the ball. But losing again will do her no good.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
The car stuff is coming anyway (as we admit, because we have voluntarily signed up to it), we can hardly talk about internet-themed idiocy give our home grown law that we must give highly sensitive personal information to a load of pornographers if we want to enjoy a bit of niche video viewing ("show me your credit card to prove that you trust me"), and permanent BST is such a good idea that I'll take it from anyone, Hun or not.
And what happens when you have to take a decision on the chin you don’t agree with, or like, that really matters to you?
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
And, the European Parliament voted to ban either BST or GMT from 2022 this week, so we’ll have to decide which one we have to keep and the clocks won’t go back/forth anymore.
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Yes that's a load of crap. Personally I hope we keep daylight savings time. GMT suits us in the winter and BST suits us in the summer.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
If it were up to me, I'd add half an hour to both GMT and BST and I'd put the clocks forward on the first Sunday in March rather than the last.
can we fix easter while we're at it? first sunday in april perhaps.
I'd go for the second Sunday to coincide with The Masters.
But what would we call it? Master or Easter Sunday?
I don't see how there's any chance of an MV4. The EU have publicly strained to say they are no longer involved in any new negotiations for the WA, so no one would be able to say that there would be substantive changes to the deal again, before May 22.
I take the point, but if MV3 doesn't pass then it's no deal (which May has essentially ruled out) or long extension, and if May falls only a bit short on MV3 do you think she's honestly going to give it up in a long extension period?
In that scenario I think we'd be up to the EU's logic. So far as I understand it they've ruled out any longer extension unless there's some sort of reason beyond MV4.
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The ERG seem unable to decide whether the agreement would make Britain even more or less of a vassal state - that's the central problem for them, I think, and it doesn't perform miracles for their intellectual credibility or the perception of their intellectual coherence, to put it mildly.
Entryism would not be helpful
The DUP have played all this with a pretty straight bat. Good for them, but I think mainly that they have to because if they get it wrong they don't exist.
However, what's the point of saying how much you love the UK if you're not prepared to compromise a little in its interests. What better example of why NI is a valued part of the Union than that they risk very uncomfortable outcomes for the shared good.
A little bit of a risk from the DUP might have very great benefits for them too. And it'd also get the rest of us out of a stupid hole.
So, they might.
Yep.
I use cruise control on the motorway at 70mph but if I need to overtake a vehicle doing less than 70 I pull out and put my foot down. Once I've finished overtaking I take my foot back off the pedal. The car very gradually slows back down to 70. I presume the speed limiter would act exactly like this, if you're not forcing an override it simply slowly drops down - no breaks applied.
All of a sudden she’s Saint Theresa and has put the country first !
Off the back of a public consultation of which 70% of the responses were from Germany, as I understand it, and I personally wasn’t even aware of.
Especially on such an important issue.
The less northerly a nation the less of a reason there is for daylight savings, so of course it makes sense that Germany is different to the UK or Scandinavia. American can cope with some states having daylight savings and others not, this is the sort of total BS that should be decided by nations and has nothing to do with CE marks or anything else the EU should be getting involved in.
It shows how difficult it's going to be to get the deal through. They've made the not-entirely-certain assumption that the Jacob Rees-Mogg bloc (hardline but not completely kamikaze ERGers) will vote for the deal next time, and yet they're STILL projecting a majority of 42 against the deal:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/mar/27/can-you-get-mays-deal-through-meaningful-vote-3
She’s still short.
https://mobile.twitter.com/rosscolquhoun/status/1110842549051293696
might help others.
Still, I usually run cars for a long time, so I shall acquire one without this technology, and when it is time to get rid of it, they'll be fully autonomous. Honest.
Who, exactly, will change position for MV4 who did not for MV3? In defence of MV2 switchers there really has been some changes since that vote, but MV3 is happening, if it happens, after parliament indicates its views on revocation, super soft brexit and so on. The fear of the 'wrong' outcome occurring to scare people into supporting the WA surely cannot be any stronger.
You probably already have a blue duvet cover with yellow stars sitting proudly on your bed and a “special” scrapbook of Guy Verhofstadht and Jean-Claude Juncker by your bedside cabinet for nighttime me time.
If so, why on earth wasn't that condition reported on more widely? It's hugely significant
This has always been my issue with the aegis of the single market: in theory, you can argue that just about anything comes under its scope as a ‘barrier to trade’, when the real political objective is to deliver ever closer union and drive a common European identity.
(Copyright Boeing, 2019)
By going for a long extension they have a potential longer time of their influence.
It would be almost as funny as watching Corbyn get deselected for voting through Brexit.
I live far enough south that we don’t need to change the clocks, but in Northern Europe it’s silly to try and keep one time all year round as the day just gets too short in winter and too long in summer.
Personally I’d be happy to see summer time all year round, because there’s a huge difference between a midweek football match finishing at my 12:45am, and finishing at my 1:45am as they do at the moment!
I just annoyed you, and you’re just trying to piss me off.
As numerous posters here and elsewhere have noted, May leaving doesn't alter the terms of the deal. So if you were against it before, you ought to be against it still. I suppose those of JRM's persuasion are saying that if the deal fails, it weren't their fault because in the end, they voted for it.
Not sure I'd let them off in those circumstances, but then I'm not one of their supporters.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/22/nhs_data_sharing/
https://constitution-unit.com/2017/04/14/the-easter-act-1928-a-date-with-history/
Edit. I suspect it will upset the Portuguese though. They experimented with this a few years ago and changed back because it was so disliked.
And if she goes there's no guarantee there'll be a general election - though if the deal fails there probably will be. The new PM won't want to risk handing over to Corbyn and will want to get a few successes under their belt first.
Oh hang on, I'm about 1,350 years too late.
Second, the Mail and Express will eulogise May if the WA passes and beg her to stay on claiming she has the solid backing of middle England.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/time-traveller-2045-passes-lie-14192798