So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
If Remain had won 52-48 would that have been a mandate for immediate integration into a federal European superstate? No, of course it wouldn't have been. I cannot see how any Leaver can honestly claim a 52-48 victory on the question should the UK leave the EU gave a mandate for anything other than simply leaving the EU. Everything else is a matter of debate.
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
If Remain had won 52-48 would that have been a mandate for immediate integration into a federal European superstate? No, of course it wouldn't have been. I cannot see how any Leaver can honestly claim a 52-48 victory on the question should the UK leave the EU gave a mandate for anything other than simply leaving the EU. Everything else is a matter of debate.
We went through the PB Leaver approach to all this earlier today.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
Agreed on internet content, car regs seem reasonable to me.
Regarding ISA a speed limiter that can be overridden in an emergency seems quite rational. Being able to accelerate in emergencies seems reasonable but if the technology is there to assist in staying within the law why not do so?
Regarding an on-board black box, planes etc have them without it being unreasonable, many insurance companies now request them especially from younger drivers. I don't see what's unreasonable.
If the ISA can't be overridden that would be absurd.
That should be enough now for all members of the Tory Party to vote for the deal.
1) The Tories alone aren't enough to get the deal through and the DUP remain hostile. 2) Here's my list of MPs who I expect to be the most challenging to persuade. Some of them have made very indiscreet remarks indeed. Watch what they say before deciding how the deal will do.
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed) Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Jo Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
3) if the MV3 passes, do the DUP follow through on their promise to vote against the government in a vote of confidence?
Remember that MV3 doesn’t ratify the Treaty, there’s a whole new Bill that needs to pass in order to do that.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
Bercow probably cannot be persuaded under any circumstances, he is working full tilt to acheive his own outcomes, so it is not a question of if it has changed enough, it's whether he thinks it aids his cause. Is it true though that he has essentially told the government it cannot even suspend standing orders to allow them to vote again regardless? I thought he'd explicitly confirmed that was possible previously.
Despite May's offer to go, I still don't buy that the core nutters in the ERG are bright enough to realise this is their final chance to ensure Brexit. I'd give it 2 hours before one of them is on the telly wittering on about powdered egg and the blitz spirit
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
If Remain had won 52-48 would that have been a mandate for immediate integration into a federal European superstate? No, of course it wouldn't have been. I cannot see how any Leaver can honestly claim a 52-48 victory on the question should the UK leave the EU gave a mandate for anything other than simply leaving the EU. Everything else is a matter of debate.
Its a mandate for whatever was pushed by the winning side during the vote, same as at a General Election. An election only technically results in MPs being elected nothing else, but the principle that there is a mandate for the manifesto is well established.
Given Remain didn't push for a federal European superstate there is no mandate for that, just as there is equally no Leave mandate for No Deal since Vote Leave didn't push for No Deal. There would have been a Remain mandate to see Cameron's renegotiations be implemented since that was part of the Remain agenda.
Addressing the 1922 Committee this evening, Prime Minister Theresa May said:
“This has been a testing time for our country and our party. We’re nearly there. We’re almost ready to start a new chapter and build that brighter future.
“But before we can do that, we have to finish the job in hand. As I say, I don’t tour the bars and engage in the gossip – but I do make time to speak to colleagues, and I have a great team in the Whips' Office. I also have two excellent PPSs.
“And I have heard very clearly the mood of the parliamentary party. I know there is a desire for a new approach – and new leadership – in the second phase of the Brexit negotiations – and I won’t stand in the way of that.
“I know some people are worried that if you vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, I will take that as a mandate to rush on into phase two without the debate we need to have. I won’t – I hear what you are saying.
“But we need to get the deal through and deliver Brexit.
[…]
“I am prepared to leave this job earlier than I intended in order to do what is right for our country and our party.
“I ask everyone in this room to back the deal so we can complete our historic duty – to deliver on the decision of the British people and leave the European Union with a smooth and orderly exit.”
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
The WA has not changed significantly, so even if Bercow does allow it, why would anybody change their vote? Why does her departure make any difference to whether the deal is ok?
That should be enough now for all members of the Tory Party to vote for the deal.
1) The Tories alone aren't enough to get the deal through and the DUP remain hostile. 2) Here's my list of MPs who I expect to be the most challenging to persuade. Some of them have made very indiscreet remarks indeed. Watch what they say before deciding how the deal will do.
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed) Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Jo Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
May's pronouncement is not likely to have any impact on the remainers in that list. They will still oppose the deal.
Despite May's offer to go, I still don't buy that the core nutters in the ERG are bright enough to realise this is their final chance to ensure Brexit. I'd give it 2 hours before one of them is on the telly wittering on about powdered egg and the blitz spirit
"My father didn't fight in the war against the Hun to see this country become a slave to the European Union."
LOL at people believing May will go just because she's said she will.
Have they really not learnt yet that she'll tell shameless lie after shameless lie, as long as it gets her through the day?
I think you can tell from her improved demeanour at PMQs today that she has made her mind up to go. After all the crap she gets I can't imagine she wants to hang on much longer anyway.
Despite May's offer to go, I still don't buy that the core nutters in the ERG are bright enough to realise this is their final chance to ensure Brexit. I'd give it 2 hours before one of them is on the telly wittering on about powdered egg and the blitz spirit
I would not agree but almost respect someone who stayed true to the end for what they believed, but it has been more than a bit worrying to see a spread of MPs and other ERG friendly types contemplating switching on the basis of reasoning which was blooming obvious for months, like that the Commons will see soft Brexit or No brexit before it allows no deal. They apparently never saw that coming, even though they were told it many times.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
The WA has not changed significantly, so even if Bercow does allow it, why would anybody change their vote? Why does her departure make any difference to whether the deal is ok?
Because they have more confidence in her successor to make the most of the opportunities the Transition Period gives.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
The WA has not changed significantly, so even if Bercow does allow it, why would anybody change their vote? Why does her departure make any difference to whether the deal is ok?
If your reason for opposing the Deal is because you hate Theresa May, then it makes a difference.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
Agreed on internet content, car regs seem reasonable to me.
Regarding ISA a speed limiter that can be overridden in an emergency seems quite rational. Being able to accelerate in emergencies seems reasonable but if the technology is there to assist in staying within the law why not do so?
Regarding an on-board black box, planes etc have them without it being unreasonable, many insurance companies now request them especially from younger drivers. I don't see what's unreasonable.
If the ISA can't be overridden that would be absurd.
Government tracking, that's what is unreasonable, because that what they want to do.
Anyway, I'm not totally convinced by the technology. GPS isn't accurate everywhere at all times. What if you are on, eg, the A1(M), which has parallel roads either side, and the limiter decides that you are on one of those? Might be 'interesting'.
Hidden technology which over-rides the driver in unexpected ways can lead to accidents. Ask Boeing.
That should be enough now for all members of the Tory Party to vote for the deal.
1) The Tories alone aren't enough to get the deal through and the DUP remain hostile. 2) Here's my list of MPs who I expect to be the most challenging to persuade. Some of them have made very indiscreet remarks indeed. Watch what they say before deciding how the deal will do.
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed) Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Jo Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
May's pronouncement is not likely to have any impact on the remainers in that list. They will still oppose the deal.
And Labour semi-leavers (the ones who don't want to vote for any deal, but want to appear reluctant to back remaining at least) are now free to vote for other options rather than the deal - they can focus on a long extension to pretend to think about brexit options.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
Bercow probably cannot be persuaded under any circumstances, he is working full tilt to acheive his own outcomes, so it is not a question of if it has changed enough, it's whether he thinks it aids his cause. Is it true though that he has essentially told the government it cannot even suspend standing orders to allow them to vote again regardless? I thought he'd explicitly confirmed that was possible previously.
I feel like the whole Bercow stuff is a red herring - if a majority in the Commons want something, it's going to happen one way or the other, as the government/Brexiteer Tories learnt when they thought they could trigger No Deal with their procedural wheezes and "legal default" nonsense.
If there's ever a majority in favour of the deal then Bercow will have to give way; the more important question is whether there ever will be a majority.
Despite May's offer to go, I still don't buy that the core nutters in the ERG are bright enough to realise this is their final chance to ensure Brexit. I'd give it 2 hours before one of them is on the telly wittering on about powdered egg and the blitz spirit
"My father didn't fight in the war against the Hun to see this country become a slave to the European Union."
Indeed.
I'd pay good money to see Clark and Boles as the final two in the run off for new PM. Mark Francois would be like the Nazi at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, melting in apoplexy.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
Agreed on internet content, car regs seem reasonable to me.
Regarding ISA a speed limiter that can be overridden in an emergency seems quite rational. Being able to accelerate in emergencies seems reasonable but if the technology is there to assist in staying within the law why not do so?
Regarding an on-board black box, planes etc have them without it being unreasonable, many insurance companies now request them especially from younger drivers. I don't see what's unreasonable.
If the ISA can't be overridden that would be absurd.
I’m going to take a guess that this isn’t a “120 light” as seen in other countries, this is a GPS tracker designed primarily to allow interaction with self driving cars, and a precursor to non-equipped cars being banned from most roads - or effectively so by being uninsurable.
Cute that she's announcing it like this is her decision and she had a choice.
It is her choice. There are ways of forcing her resignation. But they have not been invoked. If resigning gets her deal thru, then good for her. Although it is somewhat late...
And somewhat early to assume this gets her deal through .
Ha Ha the English nationalists do not like democracy
Nationalists of any stripe generally don't. They thrive on the politics of hate and division. Scottish nationalism is a good example of this; thriving on faux grievances against the British state, when in reality Scots have been massively over represented in the British body-politic and were central to the exercise of British power and colonialism. Then of course there is the little matter of the SNPs flirtation with 1930s fascists, which I know you will deny, a denial that will no doubt be embellished with your usual thuggish insults that further prove my view of the unpleasantness of Scottish nationalists
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote? 2) IF it fails what then?
The WA has not changed significantly, so even if Bercow does allow it, why would anybody change their vote? Why does her departure make any difference to whether the deal is ok?
If your reason for opposing the Deal is because you hate Theresa May, then it makes a difference.
Yup, that's true. How many such nutters do you think there are?
That should be enough now for all members of the Tory Party to vote for the deal.
1) The Tories alone aren't enough to get the deal through and the DUP remain hostile. 2) Here's my list of MPs who I expect to be the most challenging to persuade. Some of them have made very indiscreet remarks indeed. Watch what they say before deciding how the deal will do.
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed) Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Jo Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Assuming we do Brexit, whoever is PM will need to bow to either the DUP or Labour in order to get anything done for the next phase. Frankly, I'd recommending bowing to Labour on something over the DUP.
Still no sign of the DUP, so even if Tory rebels are absolutely minimised (15?), they still need 21 Labour rebels to pass.
A new leader surely brings a GE closer, so Jezza (given his age etc) might quietly send a few more of his troops over?
Or am I being too cynical?
It was a longstanding theory that his best chance of becoming PM was that the deal passed, just barely, off the back of Lab rebel votes. UNfortunately for him if that was the plan the deal was too unpopular to pass and Lab rebels too unwilling to add their voices to see it through.
Oh, and as others have said, a load of bollocks from the EU in the last couple of days on internet content and car regulations, doing a good job of reminding a lot of people why they voted to leave in the first place.
Agreed on internet content, car regs seem reasonable to me.
Regarding ISA a speed limiter that can be overridden in an emergency seems quite rational. Being able to accelerate in emergencies seems reasonable but if the technology is there to assist in staying within the law why not do so?
Regarding an on-board black box, planes etc have them without it being unreasonable, many insurance companies now request them especially from younger drivers. I don't see what's unreasonable.
If the ISA can't be overridden that would be absurd.
Government tracking, that's what is unreasonable, because that what they want to do.
Anyway, I'm not totally convinced by the technology. GPS isn't accurate everywhere at all times. What if you are on, eg, the A1(M), which has parallel roads either side, and the limiter decides that you are on one of those? Might be 'interesting'.
Hidden technology which over-rides the driver in unexpected ways can lead to accidents. Ask Boeing.
Its not hidden though and it can be overridden - and if its overridden that is simply recorded. If the limiter determines you're on the wrong rode you override the limiter and that's the end of it.
Technology that can't be overridden is a terrible idea. Technology that assists but can be overridden makes.
15 years ago I would have objected to the Big Brother style road charging and the idea of black box tracking where I am driving and the government knowing that. But lets be honest, our mobile phones do that now anyway.
Still no sign of the DUP, so even if Tory rebels are absolutely minimised (15?), they still need 21 Labour rebels to pass.
A new leader surely brings a GE closer, so Jezza (given his age etc) might quietly send a few more of his troops over?
Or am I being too cynical?
It was a longstanding theory that his best chance of becoming PM was that the deal passed, just barely, off the back of Lab rebel votes. UNfortunately for him if that was the plan the deal was too unpopular to pass and Lab rebels too unwilling to add their voices to see it through.
If JC appears even remotely responsible for Brexit happening his favorabilty ratings will plumb new depths.
Smooth and orderly Brexit being the slogan repeated four times in the 2017 manifesto. Is the Prime Minister oblivious to change and even the passage of time?
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore reality
That's not the function of a government department.
Was it the function of Government departments to campaign for us to stay in the EU?
Yes. It was policy at the time. The information provided was factual, not a nonsensical and wholly political interpretation of the referendum question.
13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
Indeed, as if he's still actually envisaging a no-deal Brexit, despite his public statements of support, he might judge her better placed to steer through and towards that, in a way the Brexiters would like, than someone like Liddington or even Gove.
Assuming we do Brexit, whoever is PM will need to bow to either the DUP or Labour in order to get anything done for the next phase. Frankly, I'd recommending bowing to Labour on something over the DUP.
There will be a general election within 2-3 months I think.
Its not hidden though and it can be overridden - and if its overridden that is simply recorded. If the limiter determines you're on the wrong rode you override the limiter and that's the end of it.
Technology that can't be overridden is a terrible idea. Technology that assists but can be overridden makes.
15 years ago I would have objected to the Big Brother style road charging and the idea of black box tracking where I am driving and the government knowing that. But lets be honest, our mobile phones do that now anyway.
Not if you don't have a mobile switched on. :-)
It would still cause the car to slow down, and you'd have to realise what was going on before the old Audi 2 inches behind (and not fitted with a limiter) goes into the back of you.
If it was just a warning ping if you accelerate past the limit (like most GPS navigation applications do already if you turn it on) then I can't see that being a problem.
It seems highly odd that a bunch of MPs who have been solidly against something in what is the biggest issue facing our country in a generation, should suddenly change their mind and vote for it just because the PM says she'll stand down.
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.
13 July is her preferred date, no doubt. If she could stand down as party leader on Brexit day, but stay as PM for the replacement contest she would make it to 3 years. But Gordon Brown day is probably a more realistic option, if she can get the deal passed.
Late July or August seems most likely to me. Get us through to 22nd May, then start a leadership contest and hand over once the winner is elected. Two to three months for a leadership contest including a membership vote seems quite probable.
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Have they really not learnt yet that she'll tell shameless lie after shameless lie, as long as it gets her through the day?
If there is a long extension, she'll stay on, because there won't have been a Brexit.
If they can get Bercow to agree to MV3 she should whip the party to vote for it with the threat of expulsion for anyone voting against.
So the final sacrifice has been made. May will throw herself to the lions to get the WA passed but will it? The Conservatives might rally round but they need every vote to go up against the DUP and the Opposition parties.
This is the final card she has to play but there are two questions in my mind:
1) Has the WA changed enough to allow Bercow to even call the vote?
2) IF it fails what then?
Thick as ***** the lot of them.
Regarding ISA a speed limiter that can be overridden in an emergency seems quite rational. Being able to accelerate in emergencies seems reasonable but if the technology is there to assist in staying within the law why not do so?
Regarding an on-board black box, planes etc have them without it being unreasonable, many insurance companies now request them especially from younger drivers. I don't see what's unreasonable.
If the ISA can't be overridden that would be absurd.
https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1110960910414303232
2) Here's my list of MPs who I expect to be the most challenging to persuade. Some of them have made very indiscreet remarks indeed. Watch what they say before deciding how the deal will do.
Adam Afriyie (Windsor)
Lucy Allan (Telford)
Steve Baker (Wycombe)
Crispin Blunt (Reigate)
Peter Bone (Wellingborough)
Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire)
Christopher Chope (Christchurch)
Richard Drax (South Dorset)
James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East)
Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford)
Marcus Fysh (Yeovil)
Chris Green (Bolton West)
Philip Hollobone (Kettering)
Adam Holloway (Gravesham)
Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire)
Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood)
Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip)
David Jones (Clwyd West)
Julian Lewis (New Forest East)
Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet)
Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall)
Priti Patel (Witham)
Owen Paterson (North Shropshire)
John Redwood (Wokingham)
Andrew Rosindell (Romford)
Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen)
Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South)
Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole)
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy)
Justine Greening (Putney)
Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield)
Sam Gyimah (East Surrey)
Jo Johnson (Orpington)
Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Remember that MV3 doesn’t ratify the Treaty, there’s a whole new Bill that needs to pass in order to do that.
Osborne would be far, far worse.
Given Remain didn't push for a federal European superstate there is no mandate for that, just as there is equally no Leave mandate for No Deal since Vote Leave didn't push for No Deal. There would have been a Remain mandate to see Cameron's renegotiations be implemented since that was part of the Remain agenda.
“This has been a testing time for our country and our party. We’re nearly there. We’re almost ready to start a new chapter and build that brighter future.
“But before we can do that, we have to finish the job in hand. As I say, I don’t tour the bars and engage in the gossip – but I do make time to speak to colleagues, and I have a great team in the Whips' Office. I also have two excellent PPSs.
“And I have heard very clearly the mood of the parliamentary party. I know there is a desire for a new approach – and new leadership – in the second phase of the Brexit negotiations – and I won’t stand in the way of that.
“I know some people are worried that if you vote for the Withdrawal Agreement, I will take that as a mandate to rush on into phase two without the debate we need to have. I won’t – I hear what you are saying.
“But we need to get the deal through and deliver Brexit.
[…]
“I am prepared to leave this job earlier than I intended in order to do what is right for our country and our party.
“I ask everyone in this room to back the deal so we can complete our historic duty – to deliver on the decision of the British people and leave the European Union with a smooth and orderly exit.”
Anyway, I'm not totally convinced by the technology. GPS isn't accurate everywhere at all times. What if you are on, eg, the A1(M), which has parallel roads either side, and the limiter decides that you are on one of those? Might be 'interesting'.
Hidden technology which over-rides the driver in unexpected ways can lead to accidents. Ask Boeing.
If there's ever a majority in favour of the deal then Bercow will have to give way; the more important question is whether there ever will be a majority.
MP's are living in a parallel universe - again - and this time there'll be nowhere to run after the April 11 deadline.
Still don’t think it’s enough though.
I'd pay good money to see Clark and Boles as the final two in the run off for new PM. Mark Francois would be like the Nazi at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, melting in apoplexy.
But...DUP?
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/03/27/lucy-allan-announces-support-for-prime-ministers-brexit-deal/
Or am I being too cynical?
Technology that can't be overridden is a terrible idea. Technology that assists but can be overridden makes.
15 years ago I would have objected to the Big Brother style road charging and the idea of black box tracking where I am driving and the government knowing that. But lets be honest, our mobile phones do that now anyway.
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1110963605460213760
Edit: Ah I see. 28th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMRZM9uTd5Q
But Nigel Dodds' most recent activity was liking this tweet:
https://twitter.com/dcshiels/status/1110829564056518656
It would still cause the car to slow down, and you'd have to realise what was going on before the old Audi 2 inches behind (and not fitted with a limiter) goes into the back of you.
If it was just a warning ping if you accelerate past the limit (like most GPS navigation applications do already if you turn it on) then I can't see that being a problem.
EDIT: Ok, it is politics, but not Westminster politics. Alright?
Either the deal is good enough to vote for, or it is not. Instead they're looking at their chances of getting the top job for themselves or their best buds.
Every single one of them should vote for the deal and then resign from parliament in disgrace.