BBC News running clips of what Mogg, Boris, DD etc have said about the deal in the past and what they are saying now.
It’s all very funny.
It really is very pathetic.
They're begrudgingly coming around to back what you want. There's no need to gloat.
It might be too late. But I would agree that if they have come around, the time for mockering and insulting is in the general washup after the damn thing is passed, when praise and recrimination can take place.
That's just the usual nonsense that demonstrates that all the various factors are just looking for reasons to vote against. Heck, a bunch of them were using May using harsh language as an excuse. Either the deal is the best option we have or it isn't, it is a difficult decision but it really is not actually complicated.
Have I ever mentioned I tipped Hunt, Lidington, and Hancock at 100/1?
A firm of solicitors has never held office.
Lloyd George, Roberts and Co. says hello.
Ah so that's the firm you've been using for the work on the accidental scrambling of your name. Have you considered that the ostensible partners haven't been seen since the 1920s? I realise that there's precedent in slow progress, but Jarndice aside you may want to consider the state of affairs. I realise this may be unwelcome news, but you may die before the wise posts you've made on PB are correctly attributed to yourself.
Ydoethur's name is " y doethur", which is Welsh for "The Doctor". Unfortunately there has never been a Welsh Doctor Who, so the obvious joke goes unspoken...
Given the DUP and about 20 Tory MPs are still refusing to back the Deal and the Deal still does not have at least 20 Labour MPs backing it has May just made a unicorn resignation proposal?
Who might swing from Labour without a whip?
Who else is sympathetic?
I can’t think of anyone.
Which means even if every Tory MP voted for the Deal the Deal would still be narrowly defeated if no more Labour MPs switch to back the Deal and the DUP still votes against the Deal
For a completely unrelated £1bn, I would imagine the DUP might abstain along with a few of the remaining ERG purists. That should see it home.
For an unrelated billion and a face saving gesture they may even vote for. But the ERG got its pound of flesh tonight, the DUP will not switch until they've got theirs.
What might swing the DUP? They already have a £1B splurge of general funding for NI. Add your suggestions here.
(1) Ministerial jag for Arlene? (2) Ireland kicked out of 6N? (3) A laser big enough to write F*CK THE POPE on the moon? (4) Wood pellet burner for Westminster? (5) Ban Riverdance?
The DUP can do the maths and see the writing on the wall. They know that there's zero reason for them to switch early but by switching late they can name their price. Plus if they don't give in then they risk PM Corbyn. Plus they've flown kites about potentially backing it if they get the right assurances.
They'll be given assurances to guarantee no internal UK barriers and coincidentally another billion splurged on Northern Ireland for entirely unrelated reasons.
"I don't know what assurances May has given the DUP, but Northern Ireland now has a space program".
While I think that MPs can be quite mercenary, I am less convinced than PB Tories that bribery can get either the DUP or Labour rebels into May's lobby. Indeed May standing down in favour of probably a hard Brexiteer is likely to push them away. I can't see it working myself.
Nor can I, but that's a pretty lame reason to be pushed away, and very likely a made up excuse - any new leader will be constrained by the same factor of the parliamentary numbers, or else need to seek a GE. We haven't gotten a Brexit the ERG would like because there are not the numbers in parliament for it, and there still won't be after May goes.
So why I agree with you I don't think it will work, I question the sincerity of anyone who claims that as a reason they might have backed the deal but cannot now.
The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?
Legally? No.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Sane MPs should now REJECT the deal, simply because it will throw the Tory party into the hands of the hard right. Keep MayDay in place and roll over a soft Brexit.
The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?
Legally? No.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Maybe that should be May's MV3 plan?
Of course, she probably wants MV3 to fail now so that she can stay on.
The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?
Legally? No.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
The banter heuristic demands that the ERG vote down MV3, and Tezza revokes Article 50 the next day.
And doesn't resign.
Calls a General Election and bans them from the candidates list.
Seriously, if they vote against the whip enough times can they have the whip removed?
If its a confidence matter they only need to vote against [or even abstain] once to have the whip removed.
Thanks. but does the concept of a 'confidence matter' still exist in FTPA-land?
Legally? No.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
Maybe that should be May's MV3 plan?
Of course, she probably wants MV3 to fail now so that she can stay on.
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
They are about as effective as the Wizard of Oz
Except - the Wizard of Oz did give everyone except Dorothy what they wanted - by showing they had had it all the time...
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
They are about as effective as the Wizard of Oz
Except - the Wizard of Oz did give everyone except Dorothy what they wanted - by showing they had had it all the time...
Sounds like they need to enlist the help of 1960s Spartan Greek acting legend Notis Peryalis, who I once saw in an adaptation of Electra, and looks uncannily like Citizen Smith or Che Guevara here, for some reason :
Anyway I have been having some medical issues recently but after my final tests today I am in the clear and just carry on with a disciplined diet (diabetes) and existing medication
My wife and I are so grateful for all our blessings and our close family and grand children
I see Rees-Mogg is roasting Nick Boles in the Commons for going to Winchester rather than Eton. Can I retroactively add this to the list of reasons to hate the Tories that I came up with the other day?
Anyway I have been having some medical issues recently but after my final tests today I am in the clear and just carry on with a disciplined diet (diabetes) and existing medication
My wife and I are so grateful for all our blessings and our close family and grand children
I see Rees-Mogg is roasting Nick Boles in the Commons for going to Winchester rather than Eton. Can I retroactively add this to the list of reasons to hate the Tories that I came up with the other day?
You may certainly add it to the reasons why he’s a prize pill.
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
Although wouldn’t that be repetitive
I believe “wizard” is a distortion of the Irish Gaelic Ard-Wiz (the senior advisor to the High King, the Ard-Righ)*
So really they are saying High High Irish Wise One.
* the Cymric equivalent is The Merlin (or chief bard) who advised the High King (the “Pendragon” or “chief standard”)
I think somebody told them that "Grand Wizard" was a Klu Klux Klan rank. After discussing alternatives such as "Grand Moff", "Dalek Emperor" and "SS-Sturmbannfuhrer", they went for "High Wizard" instead.
Although wouldn’t that be repetitive
I believe “wizard” is a distortion of the Irish Gaelic Ard-Wiz (the senior advisor to the High King, the Ard-Righ)*
So really they are saying High High Irish Wise One.
* the Cymric equivalent is The Merlin (or chief bard) who advised the High King (the “Pendragon” or “chief standard”)
So is it related to the Arabic, wazir, or adviser, minister?
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And doesn't resign.
Suspend the "Spartans" from the party, call GE, then resign.
What has he lost out on that he'd have won had he backed May's deal at the start?
edit: see you spotted that first
This is an area where passions run very high.
Surely there are other MPs who could make a better contribution...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/w-r-p-george-425252.html
So why I agree with you I don't think it will work, I question the sincerity of anyone who claims that as a reason they might have backed the deal but cannot now.
Theoretically? Probably.
If the government said on Friday "this is a matter of confidence, if we lose this vote we are withdrawing the whip from any rebels and putting forward a motion to have an early election" then that'd do it in practice even if not in theory.
(Mind you, if we all did that they wouldn't appear on hear at all I guess.)
Just before the dissolution of the Western Empire.
Of course, she probably wants MV3 to fail now so that she can stay on.
You're putting me off my Indicative Votes snacks.
Oh, right.
Maybe plus minus a bit around 9.15
Meanwhile the idiot Jenkin goes off on one.
NEW THREAD
When I was a 14 year old wargamer, this would have been a top, tabletop event.
http://www.altcine.com/person.php?id=7253
My wife and I are so grateful for all our blessings and our close family and grand children
And DUP will not support the deal
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1111007925617737730
I believe “wizard” is a distortion of the Irish Gaelic Ard-Wiz (the senior advisor to the High King, the Ard-Righ)*
So really they are saying High High Irish Wise One.
* the Cymric equivalent is The Merlin (or chief bard) who advised the High King (the “Pendragon” or “chief standard”)