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The speculation is that she’ll set out an exit timetable.
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Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio......0
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A phrase from Cromwell springs to mind . . .0
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If she doesn't offer one or she offers one that seems too undemanding for the masses, she may get telt one.0
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First, on indicative vote principles.0
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Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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Eighth like no deal0
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Where's the modern day Leo Amery.0
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Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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As has been said many times before, I am not sure that announcing a resignation date/condition would actually changed any minds.0
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FWIW, Conor Burns and Gordon Henderson now say they support the WA.0
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They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
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I think the '22 will just lock her in the broom cupboard if she tries some crap about "later this year".CarlottaVance said:0 -
Nevertheless that's a political judgment, not something that should come from a government account.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?Philip_Thompson said:
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.Peter_the_Punter said:
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.Philip_Thompson said:
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?IanB2 said:
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.Philip_Thompson said:
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.CarlottaVance said:
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.0 -
That's not the function of a government department.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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She'll just promise to go when Brexit is done.0
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Unlike the leaflet sent to every household by the government telling people to vote remainwilliamglenn said:
Nevertheless that's a political judgment, not something that should come from a government account.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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NO because we would have to join the euro and that is a red line if ever there was one.Philip_Thompson said:
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?Philip_Thompson said:
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.Peter_the_Punter said:
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.Philip_Thompson said:
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?IanB2 said:
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.Philip_Thompson said:
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.CarlottaVance said:
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.0 -
Just hold a vote to remove Bercow from the chair for one day to allow the vote to happen - simples!CarlottaVance said:0 -
In about 2035 then?IanB2 said:She'll just promise to go when Brexit is done.
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If parliament has a majority for TM deal they will be able to override BercowCarlottaVance said:
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Conor Burns goes on my "more reconcilable than previously indicated" list.Sean_F said:FWIW, Conor Burns and Gordon Henderson now say they support the WA.
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Andrew Adonis has a point. When all this is over some senior civil servants will have questions to answer.tlg86 said:
I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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You must be joking ?Streeter said:
Andrew Adonis has a point. When all this is over some senior civil servants will have questions to answer.tlg86 said:
I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
This is precisely what isn't happening here, it's Gov't interference into what should be a neutral process. This absolubtely won't be driven by a Sir Humphrey.0 -
No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.0
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Evict them, along with the DUP.CarlottaVance said:0 -
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
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Adonis never has a point. His statements over recent months have been seriously loony at at times. I am surprised anyone pays him any attention these daysStreeter said:
Andrew Adonis has a point. When all this is over some senior civil servants will have questions to answer.tlg86 said:
I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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I'm confused because didn't Bercow say the other day a motion to set aside his decision was possible if that was the will of the House? Now he seems to be saying such a motion won't be considered.kjohnw said:0 -
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Certainly those who signed off on the info leaflet and the Treasury’s prophecy of doom.Streeter said:
Andrew Adonis has a point. When all this is over some senior civil servants will have questions to answer.tlg86 said:
I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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Everyone knows how they're going to vote anyway.Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
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The Speaker is another suffering from Brexit derangement syndrome.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm confused because didn't Bercow say the other day a motion to set aside his decision was possible if that was the will of the House? Now he seems to be saying such a motion won't be considered.kjohnw said:0 -
It isn't a debate. It is people standing up and saying the same things they have been saying for months.Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
Carrying on the debate seems a trifle silly!
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The debate is a formality, these debates have been raging for months/years.Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
Carrying on the debate seems a trifle silly!0 -
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May's going to resign when the DFS sale ends.0
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PM to stand down once Brexit is delivered. Reuters.0
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Changed has nothing.0
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Just another day in the Pugin Westminster Care Home for Special Needs Adults then...Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
Carrying on the debate seems a trifle silly!0 -
Extra savings end in 5 days...Philip_Thompson said:May's going to resign when the DFS sale ends.
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Does this change anything really?dixiedean said:PM to stand down once Brexit is delivered. Reuters.
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Indeed. Sadly Mrs May has got away with this type of lying revisionism since the referendum. It is quite outrageous, and is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Brexit means whatever additional things we want it to meanAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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The CS needs to push back. It would have been fine to say the govt opposes Common Market 2.0 for the following reasons. Bringing the referendum into it is wrong.Pulpstar said:
You must be joking ?Streeter said:
Andrew Adonis has a point. When all this is over some senior civil servants will have questions to answer.tlg86 said:
I’m not comfortable with that either, but then it is difficult for the CS to push back on this sort of thing.Pulpstar said:
Should official Gov't communication be used to push the Tory line ? It might not be what May wants, but it would fulfill the question as set out on the ballot paper.Anorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
This is precisely what isn't happening here, it's Gov't interference into what should be a neutral process. This absolubtely won't be driven by a Sir Humphrey.0 -
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So when JC wins the next GE and as part of his Venezuela programme he evicts you and your family to make way for a needy bunch of refugees, you just complain, agitate and vote at the next election, and hope you get what you want back when a more sensible Government is returned.Philip_Thompson said:
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?Philip_Thompson said:
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.Peter_the_Punter said:
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.Philip_Thompson said:
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?IanB2 said:
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.Philip_Thompson said:
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.CarlottaVance said:
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
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Indeed. Nothing has changed.tottenhamWC said:
Does this change anything really?dixiedean said:PM to stand down once Brexit is delivered. Reuters.
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'I fight on, I fight to win'CarlottaVance said:0 -
Total rubbish. The referendum was a binary question. If you want to tag things on it requires additional referenda. Otherwise it is nothing more than a lie.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
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Yes its called democracy.Peter_the_Punter said:
So when JC wins the next GE and as part of his Venezuela programme he evicts you and your family to make way for a needy bunch of refugees, you just complain, agitate and vote at the next election, and hope you get what you want back when a more sensible Government is returned.Philip_Thompson said:
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?Philip_Thompson said:
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.Peter_the_Punter said:
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.Philip_Thompson said:
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?IanB2 said:
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.Philip_Thompson said:
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.CarlottaVance said:
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
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If you call what we have democracy, you are more naïve than I thought!Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its called democracy.Peter_the_Punter said:
So when JC wins the next GE and as part of his Venezuela programme he evicts you and your family to make way for a needy bunch of refugees, you just complain, agitate and vote at the next election, and hope you get what you want back when a more sensible Government is returned.Philip_Thompson said:
You get to complain, agitate and vote at the next election too.Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! And what about the poor sods who voted Remain? We lost, so we don't count. Just ignore is now, yes?Philip_Thompson said:
Of course they can complain! That's a right every Englishman and woman has. People who don't vote have no reason to complain but those who do should.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well, those that voted Leave can hardly complain about what sort of leave they get, even those who has since come to believe it wasn't a very smart choice.Philip_Thompson said:
Of course. So one of them should happen and then we should hold Parliament to account to how happy we are with what they've come up with.Peter_the_Punter said:
But the ballot paper did not say anything about 'crap deal' and whether it was ok or not. So if you voted Leave, you were voting for any form of Leave - from BRINO to NO Deal and all stops in between.Philip_Thompson said:
They voted against a crap deal not Brexit.CarlottaVance said:
Yep. If Brexit fails it will be because of the Brexiteers - what did they expect, voting against it?IanB2 said:
No. If the Tory party had untied behind championing the deal from the outset, it would have got through. The ERG wouldn't have given remainers cover to oppose it, and Labour leavers would have taken their chance to make their mark on history.Philip_Thompson said:
No they did not. Even if every Tory Brexiteer backed MV1 and MV2 it would still have lost.CarlottaVance said:
They should follow through with their complaints if need be by voting accordingly at the next election. Call it taking back control.
If at the next election a party with a Rejoin manifesto wins, you get what you want back.
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Cute that she's announcing it like this is her decision and she had a choice.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Maybe MV3 does make sense on Friday, just to drive a third stake through its heart.
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You’ve obviously forgotten the debates the literature the discussions of the campaign . All issues which framed the debate . To say immigration and sending money to the EU was not an issue for voting leave is delusionalNigel_Foremain said:
Total rubbish. The referendum was a binary question. If you want to tag things on it requires additional referenda. Otherwise it is nothing more than a lie.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
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If a DUP rep is brought in to the next phase negotiations (with invite to other parties to have a rep too) then might that swing the DUP to back the deal?CarlottaVance said:
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The graphic is true, but should not have been sent from a government department.Nigel_Foremain said:
Indeed. Sadly Mrs May has got away with this type of lying revisionism since the referendum. It is quite outrageous, and is a disgrace to the Conservative Party. Brexit means whatever additional things we want it to meanAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
https://twitter.com/DExEUgov/status/1110942385775755264
We did not vote to "technically" Leave the EU. Even Dave said so before the vote.
Does it mean her deal, or does it mean the negotiated settlement following the deal?tottenhamWC said:
Does this change anything really?dixiedean said:PM to stand down once Brexit is delivered. Reuters.
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So a long extension is nailed on.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Democracy is you vote for what you want and campaign for what you want. I didn't agree with a lot the last Labour government did (and I don't agree with all this government does) but I will vote based on what I want and what I think is appropriate.Nigel_Foremain said:
If you call what we have democracy, you are more naïve than I thought!Philip_Thompson said:Yes its called democracy.
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She does. There can be no challenge under the rules until December. So unless they moved to change the rules, she has the right to set the timing for her departure.Philip_Thompson said:
Cute that she's announcing it like this is her decision and she had a choice.CarlottaVance said:
And if MV3 passes, she has earned the right. She persisted.0 -
The vote was to Leave. Anything from Common Market 2.0 to No Deal respects the result.0
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Amendment: remove "for one day", insert "until heat death of the universe".oxfordsimon said:
Just hold a vote to remove Bercow from the chair for one day to allow the vote to happen - simples!CarlottaVance said:0 -
History might well treat her far better if this is indeed the outcome...
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Theresa May, one of the least emotionally intelligent Prime Ministers in my living memory, claims she would like to bring the country together after having been a completely partisan and unlistening fool for the last three tears. God help us!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
'I fight on, I fight to win'CarlottaVance said:0 -
It is her choice. There are ways of forcing her resignation. But they have not been invoked. If resigning gets her deal thru, then good for her. Although it is somewhat late...Philip_Thompson said:
Cute that she's announcing it like this is her decision and she had a choice.CarlottaVance said:
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Years. An appropriate typo!Nigel_Foremain said:
Theresa May, one of the least emotionally intelligent Prime Ministers in my living memory, claims she would like to bring the country together after having been a completely partisan and unlistening fool for the last three tears. God help us!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
'I fight on, I fight to win'CarlottaVance said:
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"It is a matter of great personal regret for me that this House has not been able to deliver on the will of the people and has forced me to request an extension for 7 years."IanB2 said:
So a long extension is nailed on.CarlottaVance said:0 -
She will bring them together. She will bring the party and country together in being glad to see the back of her.Nigel_Foremain said:
Theresa May, one of the least emotionally intelligent Prime Ministers in my living memory, claims she would like to bring the country together after having been a completely partisan and unlistening fool for the last three tears. God help us!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
'I fight on, I fight to win'CarlottaVance said:0 -
£/$ looks happy0
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I am happy to accept the amendmentMarqueeMark said:
Amendment: remove "for one day", insert "until heat death of the universe".oxfordsimon said:
Just hold a vote to remove Bercow from the chair for one day to allow the vote to happen - simples!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Just catching up. Another day, another chance for John Bercow to make an utter arse of himself. It’s now blantantly clear he’s trying for force a single vote on No Deal v Revoke A50.0
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Strong points against CU from Greg Hands.0
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Greg Hands speaking strongly against Customs Union.0
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It is astonishing, Sean, even in this enlightened forum, how many times that has had to be repeated.Sean_F said:The vote was to Leave. Anything from Common Market 2.0 to No Deal respects the result.
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And somewhat early to assume this gets her deal through .viewcode said:
It is her choice. There are ways of forcing her resignation. But they have not been invoked. If resigning gets her deal thru, then good for her. Although it is somewhat late...Philip_Thompson said:
Cute that she's announcing it like this is her decision and she had a choice.CarlottaVance said:0 -
He's done a grand job today dismissing all the wrecking nonsense and rising to the occasion.MarqueeMark said:
Amendment: remove "for one day", insert "until heat death of the universe".oxfordsimon said:
Just hold a vote to remove Bercow from the chair for one day to allow the vote to happen - simples!CarlottaVance said:0 -
The fact that we are STILL having this debate indicates quite how little anything has moved on in nearly 3 years. The question and answer on the ballot paper was not "What sort of future relationship do you want with the European Union? Yes or No." but it may as well have been given the clarity on future direction it has produced.kjohnw said:
You’ve obviously forgotten the debates the literature the discussions of the campaign . All issues which framed the debate . To say immigration and sending money to the EU was not an issue for voting leave is delusionalNigel_Foremain said:
Total rubbish. The referendum was a binary question. If you want to tag things on it requires additional referenda. Otherwise it is nothing more than a lie.kjohnw said:
They are the main reasons people voted leave and were the the main discussions during the referendum campaign, to say otherwise is to ignore realityAnorak said:Out of order. Utterly partial. Where on the referendum paper did it mention any of those things?
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Looking at empty Commons chamber, what chance of the SNP proposing a point of order to end the debate and move immediately to the votes?0
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Mr. B2, probably not if you get paid in dollars...0
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I was just thinking the same.Scrapheap_as_was said:History might well treat her far better if this is indeed the outcome...
https://twitter.com/adamboultonSKY/status/1110956586137206785
She'll be the Andy Dufresne PM... the woman who dug through a concrete wall and waded through a mile of shit to reach the other side.0 -
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Who are the the Tories that haven't attended the 1922?Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/shaunwkearney/status/1110953550056689665?s=19IanB2 said:No guesses as to where all the Tory MPs seem to have disappeared.
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Ha Ha the English nationalists do not like democracyPulpstar said:
Evict them, along with the DUP.CarlottaVance said:0 -
*waves*Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B2, probably not if you get paid in dollars...
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Just the moronic Tories being reminded of what happened to them at public schoolCarlottaVance said:0 -
No, you refer to freedom of speech and action under the rule of law. We do (thank the Lord) have this. Democracy is a misused and abused word, and is hardly appropriate, particularly now, for our system of government in my opinion. We need "ever closer democracy" with extensive reform to our lack of separation of powers, our executive, and our bicameral legislature. It always irks me that Brexiters talk of the undemocratic EU. We are in no position to preach.Philip_Thompson said:
Democracy is you vote for what you want and campaign for what you want. I didn't agree with a lot the last Labour government did (and I don't agree with all this government does) but I will vote based on what I want and what I think is appropriate.Nigel_Foremain said:
If you call what we have democracy, you are more naïve than I thought!Philip_Thompson said:Yes its called democracy.
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Why can't we have the like button back?Fenster said:
I was just thinking the same.Scrapheap_as_was said:History might well treat her far better if this is indeed the outcome...
https://twitter.com/adamboultonSKY/status/1110956586137206785
She'll be the Andy Dufresne PM... the woman who dug through a concrete wall and waded through a mile of shit to reach the other side.0
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