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https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

Pausing in passing from our debating Brexit, we should probably most of us chip in something here -

https://www.dec.org.uk/

- the sight of huge numbers of people trapped on roofs with just 11 operational helicopters is just so utterly awful.

If someone successfully called for a VoNC against the govt in the two weeks before 12th April, would that effectively paralyze parliament and lead to No Deal?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

Great news for Trump nominee backers

AlastairMeeks said:

rpjs said:

Freggles said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1109198797949886464

Are we three or two episodes from the end of this season?

Apparently there will be some spin-off shows. From the NYT: "Even though Mr. Mueller's report is complete, some aspects of his inquiry remain active and may be overseen by the same prosecutors once they are reassigned to their old jobs within the Justice Department. For instance, recently filed court documents suggest that investigators are still examining why the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort turned over campaign polling data in 2016 to a Russian associate whom prosecutors said was tied to Russian intelligence."

One question is what he has to say about Nigel Farage.

What on earth makes you think Farage will even be mentioned?

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

Great news for Trump nominee backers

Mueller would never indict a sitting President, that is a job for Congress.

Nemtynakht said:

MarqueeMark said:

Nemtynakht said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/MrTomBaker/status/1109171957113778176

What has the number got todo with the majority. How do we know that any are conservative voter who will vote against their MP?

How do we know anybody signing is over 18?

You have to tick a box. No really. All we have really learnt is that a very large number of people don’t want to Brexit. I could have told you that without the petition

There were 16m of them three years ago. Where have the other 13m gone?

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1109210058104156160

Country before Party. U-Turns are also a good thing when you cannot or should not proceed with something else.

But it'll just be another failed plan.

Mr Meeks

I might have more respect for your opinion if you took your remainiac blinkers off, and contemplate (in the words of the bible) "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

When I saw you claim "The paranoia about the motives of Remain supporters was self-fulfilling: there are only so many times that you can be told that you are a traitor or a quisling before you decide that you might as well act as a fifth columnist if you’re going to be treated as one." it was so ridiculous, I laughed aloud.

Perhaps you should refresh your memory, and look at the comment sections of articles in The Guardian and The Independent articles on the 24th of June 2016. You will see a near-continuous stream-of-conciousness vituperative insults. (Which have continued, with no reduction in their hatred, ever since.) Where was the attempt to mend fences on the remainiac side? Then, and since, it has been prominent only by it's absence from any remainiac position.

I suggest you look at your self-awarded halo. It doesn't hide the feet of clay or the devil's horns.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

If after all of this trump is not charged with anything, he is going to go nuclear on the fake news narrative.

The principle is that the Special Counsel/DOJ cannot indict a sitting President only Congress can.

I was hoping for indictments for the Trump kids.

You didn't want to see the lovely Ivanka thrown in the clink?

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

If after all of this trump is not charged with anything, he is going to go nuclear on the fake news narrative.

The principle is that the Special Counsel/DOJ cannot indict a sitting President only Congress can.

I was hoping for indictments for the Trump kids.

You didn't want to see the lovely Ivanka thrown in the clink?

I've seen some niche movies involving an actress playing Ivanka thrown in prison.

NickPalmer said:

Pausing in passing from our debating Brexit, we should probably most of us chip in something here -

https://www.dec.org.uk/

- the sight of huge numbers of people trapped on roofs with just 11 operational helicopters is just so utterly awful.

Done. Thanks for the link Nick.

notme2 said:

Surely the thirteen hours that polling stations are open has now elapsed and the petition closed?

You're forgetting the postal vote window.

NickPalmer said:

Pausing in passing from our debating Brexit, we should probably most of us chip in something here -

https://www.dec.org.uk/

- the sight of huge numbers of people trapped on roofs with just 11 operational helicopters is just so utterly awful.

Helicopters are nice. Not sure you want to have more of them before other needs though.

TheScreamingEagles said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

If after all of this trump is not charged with anything, he is going to go nuclear on the fake news narrative.

The principle is that the Special Counsel/DOJ cannot indict a sitting President only Congress can.

I was hoping for indictments for the Trump kids.

You didn't want to see the lovely Ivanka thrown in the clink?

I've seen some niche movies involving an actress playing Ivanka thrown in prison.

But in another 10 days you will have to prove your ID to watch it.

AlastairMeeks said:

https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1108821802342666242?s=21

EpiPen supply issues are far wider than just Brexit. They’ve been having QC issues at the Meredian facility

Peter_the_Punter said:

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

*Pedant hat ON*

Dogs don't whistle.

And the whole point of a whistle FOR dogs is that you can't hear it:

*Pedant hat OFF*

rpjs said:

edmundintokyo said:

rpjs said:

edmundintokyo said:

RobD said:

Harris_Tweed said:

Scott_P said:

Harris_Tweed said:

That’s EU law, not UK

The UK exit date was based on EU law.

We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.

But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.

Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?

Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.

Section 1 that repeals the 1972 Act is still showing as prospective at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/crossheading/repeal-of-the-eca so no ministerial order to bring it into force has yet been made.

I may be wrong but I think the EU Withdrawal Act, which hasn't yet got the memo about Exit Day changing, automatically repeals that on Exit Day.

Only. If. Section. One. Is. COMMENCED.

Which Minister has the right to commence it?

Just asking in case it's the Brexit Secretary who voted against his own motion to delay Brexit, but for some mysterious reason didn't feel the need to resign as a result. Only, the ERG's claim to have a secret plan to stop delay being implemented may be piss and wind, but if it isn't, could it be that?

ydoethur said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

*Pedant hat ON*

Dogs don't whistle.

And the whole point of a whistle FOR dogs is that you can't hear it:

*Pedant hat OFF*

Lol! I missed the first one but recognised the second and went ahead anyway, because....well, you know what I mean. :-)

Nite nite. Need to be well rested for tomorrow's march.

edmundintokyo said:

another_richard said:

A thought - the only way May's Deal can pass is metaphorically 'one minute after midnight'.

In real terms a couple of weeks after a No Deal event.

If things go badly after a No Deal the Leaver MPs would then swing behind May's Deal to stave off disaster.

If things don't go badly after a No Deal the Remainer MPs would then swing behind May's Deal to stave off success.

You can't pass TMay's Deal after a No Deal event. Once you've left, getting a similar agreement would mean passing a treaty though the legislatures of all 27 member states.

I know.

We'll only want May's Deal when we can no longer have it.

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Thr for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

Until this evening I had never really understood what she meant by 'citizens of the world' but never really thought about it much. Seemed to me it could be taken one of two ways and I didn't know which but wasn't very interested. Now I see it in context it reads as an insult. How dare she imply I don't know the meaning of citizenship! I value it highly, and wish we emphasised it more in our culture in much the way I know Americans and Canadians do. This does not however prevent me from embracing other cultures, and being inclusive and international in my outlook. On the contrary, my grounding in British culture makes it easier for me to engage positively with others beyond this country. In that respect I regard myself as both a citizen of the world as well as of the UK. Far from it being an insult, I would regard it as a compliment.

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

Ain't no splainin' like a Charlessplainin'.

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Thr for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

This was also in the speech:

They find your patriotism distasteful, your concerns about immigration parochial, your views about crime illiberal, your attachment to your job security inconvenient.

They find the fact that more than seventeen million voters decided to leave the European Union simply bewildering.

Because if you’re well off and comfortable, Britain is a different country and these concerns are not your concerns.

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

She could have held the meaningful vote in December, lost, then stepped down with honour. The following four months have disgraced her.

AlastairMeeks said:

Cynosarges said:

I suggest you look at your self-awarded halo. It doesn't hide the feet of clay or the devil's horns.

Devil’s horns? Blimey.

I am satan that is an exaggeration.

Theuniondivvie said:

DougSeal said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

That's bollocks. I watched the speech live in its entirety. I have never dodged a penny in tax. I heame they never imagined they'd hear a British PM say something like that. It was a watershed moment for many (not me, I've had May's number for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

She was describing cosmopolitanism as a negative. This, pejorative sense of cosmopolitanism adopted by Mrs May originated in 19th century German antisemitic tropes - the “rootless Jew” was seen as a “cosmopolitan” citizen from “nowhere”, the “international” financier that does not contribute. She knows her audience, knew they would get it. It was utterly disgraceful on multiple levels.

I think there may be a certain painter that may be available to put Tessy's speech into mural form.

And the mural of this story is?

There’ll be another chorus of “Where’s Jeremy Corbyn” tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/1109155782287740928?s=21

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

She could have held the meaningful vote in December, lost, then stepped down with honour. The following four months have disgraced her.

Pulling the December vote was a turning point. It's certainly very bad MPs have permitted her to spin in place for 4 months, but she lost my sympathy at that point.

another_richard said:

edmundintokyo said:

another_richard said:

A thought - the only way May's Deal can pass is metaphorically 'one minute after midnight'.

In real terms a couple of weeks after a No Deal event.

If things go badly after a No Deal the Leaver MPs would then swing behind May's Deal to stave off disaster.

If things don't go badly after a No Deal the Remainer MPs would then swing behind May's Deal to stave off success.

You can't pass TMay's Deal after a No Deal event. Once you've left, getting a similar agreement would mean passing a treaty though the legislatures of all 27 member states.

I know.

We'll only want May's Deal when we can no longer have it.

Quite so. Sucks, but let's hold slim hope the Commons really does start eliminating options soon.

viewcode said:

bigjohnowls said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought Spice by the Spice Girls on iTunes.

People buy music on iTunes? How quaint.

You wot?

Spotify. Apple Music. Tidal.

Cleese. Milligan. Everett.

Sessions.

Brooke-Taylor. Garden. Oddie.

Cricklewood.

Truth or Dare.

My Turn.

I own a Goodies album and 2 Goodies singles.


Who is next?

I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.

Surely it was Diana Rigg’s Avengers not Thor?

Charles said:

viewcode said:

bigjohnowls said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought Spice by the Spice Girls on iTunes.

People buy music on iTunes? How quaint.

You wot?

Spotify. Apple Music. Tidal.

Cleese. Milligan. Everett.

Sessions.

Brooke-Taylor. Garden. Oddie.

Cricklewood.

Truth or Dare.

My Turn.

I own a Goodies album and 2 Goodies singles.


Who is next?

I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.

Surely it was Diana Rigg’s Avengers not Thor?

Perhaps they went for the Norse drama in steed?

I see things are getting better down south:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1109196545575059457

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Boooo


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1109210294620962816

If after all of this trump is not charged with anything, he is going to go nuclear on the fake news narrative.

The principle is that the Special Counsel/DOJ cannot indict a sitting President only Congress can.

I was hoping for indictments for the Trump kids.

You didn't want to see the lovely Ivanka thrown in the clink?

I believe there are website that cater for that sort of thing

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Thr for years).

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

Until this evening I had never really understood what she meant by 'citizens of the world' but never really thought about it much. Seemed to me it could be taken one of two ways and I didn't know which but wasn't very interested. Now I see it in context it reads as an insult. How dare she imply I don't know the meaning of citizenship! I value it highly, and wish we emphasised it more in our culture in much the way I know Americans and Canadians do. This does not however prevent me from embracing other cultures, and being inclusive and international in my outlook. On the contrary, my grounding in British culture makes it easier for me to engage positively with others beyond this country. In that respect I regard myself as both a citizen of the world as well as of the UK. Far from it being an insult, I would regard it as a compliment.

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

I think you’re misinterpreting it.

In my view she is explicitly referring to the Philip Green/Jim Ratcliffe & Google/Amazon types.

But let’s leave it there as I don’t think we'll agree

DougSeal said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

That's bollocks. I watched the speech live in its entirety. I have never dodged a penny in tax. I heame they never imagined they'd hear a British PM say something like that. It was a watershed moment for many (not me, I've had May's number for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

She was describing cosmopolitanism as a negative. This, pejorative sense of cosmopolitanism adopted by Mrs May originated in 19th century German antisemitic tropes - the “rootless Jew” was seen as a “cosmopolitan” citizen from “nowhere”, the “international” financier that does not contribute. She knows her audience, knew they would get it. It was utterly disgraceful on multiple levels.

No she wasn’t. She really wasn’t

(FWIW I am a cosmopolitan International financier)

Richard_Tyndall said:

malcolmg said:

I see things are getting better down south:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1109196545575059457

I would love to know the train of logic that results in it being possible for a Scot to be a traitor to England.

They really are going radio rental, it is unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1109200400081666049?s=20

ydoethur said:

Charles said:

viewcode said:

bigjohnowls said:

viewcode said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

matt said:

Casino_Royale said:

I just bought Spice by the Spice Girls on iTunes.

People buy music on iTunes? How quaint.

You wot?

Spotify. Apple Music. Tidal.

Cleese. Milligan. Everett.

Sessions.

Brooke-Taylor. Garden. Oddie.

Cricklewood.

Truth or Dare.

My Turn.

I own a Goodies album and 2 Goodies singles.


Who is next?

I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.

Surely it was Diana Rigg’s Avengers not Thor?

Perhaps they went for the Norse drama in steed?

Evidence submission

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/509680882801736921/?amp_client_id=sJpKbjD49B-bCQRjGCZcaWsH9mCvKXTu6XY02RdLEjA-prpdBTKyC_qceyzedyjd&mweb_unauth_id=477e77aa82e0b73df5959832f1fcbc91

I see England had a lucky 5 - 0 win tonight, if only Scotland could get these easy teams instead of the mighty Kahzakstahn

Richard_Tyndall said:

malcolmg said:

I see things are getting better down south:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1109196545575059457

I would love to know the train of logic that results in it being possible for a Scot to be a traitor to England.

Battle of Stirling Bridge?

HYUFD said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

ROFL. May is in her league of her own. Anthony Eden is smiling now.

Eden, Heath, Callaghan, Brown were all worse PMs than May in my view. At the end of the day she got the Withdrawal Agreement and if it ends up a bit more BINO than she intended, so be it, she will have delivered Brexit without catastrophe and can depart with dignity and leave someone else to negotiate the future relationship

She got ZERO and will continue to do so unfortunately for the plebs

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

ROFL. May is in her league of her own. Anthony Eden is smiling now.

Eden, Heath, Callaghan, Brown were all worse PMs than May in my view. At the end of the day she got the Withdrawal Agreement and if it ends up a bit more BINO than she intended, so be it, she will have delivered Brexit without catastrophe and can depart with dignity and leave someone else to negotiate the future relationship

She got ZERO and will continue to do so unfortunately for the plebs

She got the Agreement agreed with the EU and it will still likely be the basis for Brexit whatever changes are proposed to the future relationship

HYUFD said:

malcolmg said:

HYUFD said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

ROFL. May is in her league of her own. Anthony Eden is smiling now.

Eden, Heath, Callaghan, Brown were all worse PMs than May in my view. At the end of the day she got the Withdrawal Agreement and if it ends up a bit more BINO than she intended, so be it, she will have delivered Brexit without catastrophe and can depart with dignity and leave someone else to negotiate the future relationship

She got ZERO and will continue to do so unfortunately for the plebs

She got the Agreement agreed with the EU and it will still likely be the basis for Brexit whatever changes are proposed to the future relationship

And your point is caller, it is UK she needs to get it agreed with.

I admit I quickly skim-read the last 400 odd posts but although I saw a fair few referring to the potential for indicative votes I didn't see many picking up on the *possible* AV aspect, which normally gets PB's motor running.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1109084146440331265

Edit to add - although maybe this came up on the previous thread. It's hard to keep up with both Twitter and PB these days.

HYUFD said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

ROFL. May is in her league of her own. Anthony Eden is smiling now.

Eden, Heath, Callaghan, Brown were all worse PMs than May in my view. At the end of the day she got the Withdrawal Agreement and if it ends up a bit more BINO than she intended, so be it, she will have delivered Brexit without catastrophe and can depart with dignity and leave someone else to negotiate the future relationship

May is by far the worst in my lifetime. By far. She lost me entirely the moment she chose brinkmanship to force her deal, effectively holding the nation to ransom. Very poor, if not dangerous.

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

Jonathan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

ROFL. May is in her league of her own. Anthony Eden is smiling now.

Eden, Heath, Callaghan, Brown were all worse PMs than May in my view. At the end of the day she got the Withdrawal Agreement and if it ends up a bit more BINO than she intended, so be it, she will have delivered Brexit without catastrophe and can depart with dignity and leave someone else to negotiate the future relationship

May is by far the worst in my lifetime. By far. She lost me entirely the moment she chose brinkmanship to force her deal, effectively holding the nation to ransom. Very poor, if not dangerous.

To be fair May she tried to honour the core aims of most Leavers ie leave the EU, the Single Market and end free movement and leave the Customs Union and also to get an agreement and lay the ground for a future trade deal with the EU. She has managed to do so albeit with a temporary Customs Union backstop. The fact the diehards in her party refused to accept even minor compromise with the EU putting purity above all and the fact it seems a majority in Parliament will only accept a BINO stay in the SM and CU Brexit if it is to accept any Brexit at all is not her fault but theirs

malcolmg said:

I see England had a lucky 5 - 0 win tonight, if only Scotland could get these easy teams instead of the mighty Kahzakstahn

That did make me laugh Malc

williamglenn said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Thr for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

This was also in the speech:

They find your patriotism distasteful, your concerns about immigration parochial, your views about crime illiberal, your attachment to your job security inconvenient.

They find the fact that more than seventeen million voters decided to leave the European Union simply bewildering.

Because if you’re well off and comfortable, Britain is a different country and these concerns are not your concerns.

The whole speech gave off a nasty kind of low level fascist hum. It's like Jeremy's mural - it's all quite obvious unless you don't want to see it.

HYUFD said:

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/postopinions/status/1109181293546344448?s=21

May has got a Withdrawal Agreement which will still likely be the basis of Brexit itself, even if the future relationship ends up more SM and CU BINO.

The Washington Post is a Brexit hating, Trump hating liberal globalist paper, in my lifetime Brown was certainly worse than May

You are kidding?

Can you imagine May dealing with the weekend the ATMs were about to be frozen due to bank liquidity crisis?

She would announce that she had decided to research a green paper into bank credit issues and then refused to take any questions from media. Then it would be briefed that nothing had changed, despite the fact that no one in the UK could access any cash.

It was Brown who spent far too much in the run up to the crash and let the banks go about their business without regulation which ensured the crash caused such damage in the first place, then he bailed out every bank that asked. He was the worst PM since Eden and worse than May, the 29% Labour polled under Brown in 2010 was a testament to that, May's Tories are still mid thirties to 40%

Opinion poll ratings are not the only criteria for greatness, Thatcher's ratings were dire at the end of her Premiership. May has been an utter disaster, even that well known organ of socialism the Financial Times has described her and her predecessor as the worst premiers in British history.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

williamglenn said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Charles said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Thr for years).

But we also value something else: the spirit of citizenship.

T
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…

A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…

A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…

I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore.

A change has got to come. And this party – the Conservative Party – is going to make that change.

You thought that was aimed at you?

I believe I am a citizen of the world. So yes.

First time I've ever seen the full text. It's obscene.

Genuine question: which bit?

The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.

The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour

It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial

This is clearly not what she had in mind , however, and the distance between us could not be greater. Now that I have seen the context, I find her use of the phrase squalid, insular, petty, narrow-minded - in short, obscene. But chacun a son gout, Charles.

Bonsoir.

She was using it to describe people who take the benefits of living in a community and disclaim the duties that come with it.

I don’t think you are like that.

Someone grounded in U.K. culture but with a healthy appreciation for others is a valuable member of society and absolutely not who she was referring to

Thanks Charles but I know when I am being insulted, and I know a dog whistle when I hear one.

This was also in the speech:

They find your patriotism distasteful, your concerns about immigration parochial, your views about crime illiberal, your attachment to your job security inconvenient.

They find the fact that more than seventeen million voters decided to leave the European Union simply bewildering.

Because if you’re well off and comfortable, Britain is a different country and these concerns are not your concerns.

The whole speech gave off a nasty kind of low level fascist hum. It's like Jeremy's mural - it's all quite obvious unless you don't want to see it.

Well, I think she is appalling but I don't see it as "low level fascist".