Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
It’s done by statutory instrument . It’s not amendable , MPs and the HOL vote.
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
We have officially extended article 50. We are still members of the EU next Saturday.
The worst kind of shroud waving. Brexit could cause a range of supply chain challenges, but the EpiPen shortage has been going on for some time, is global, and relates to flaws in the safety measures used during the manufacturing process, nothing to do with Brexit (indeed how would it have buggered the supply chain, we remain in the EU).
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?
Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.
Oh, for God's sake, the trifling things people will fuss about.
We're talking about freedom, liberty, self-determination - TAKING BACK CONTROL. Whole political careers are here for the making. Please don't give us boring stuff about sick kids ...
If there are going to be indicative votes then this position could be interesting. Watson telling his new group to support second ref and Corbyn saying do not support it. Could be the start of some more friction in the PLP.
I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?
Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.
Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
It’s done by statutory instrument . It’s not amendable , MPs and the HOL vote.
You're presumably right, although who knows what Bercow would decide was amendable thesedays.
I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.
IIRC UEA wouldn't let them film A Very Peculiar Practice there, although the series was indeed based on that university. (I think it was mostly filmed at Birmingham University.) . Similarly the location scouts couldn't find anywhere in Surbiton that they felt was posh enough for the Goods and Ledbetters and it was actually filmed in Harrow. Surbiton is my home town and I grew up near The Avenue, which is a real street but not as leafy as portrayed in the show.
Mr Meeks. Your objection continues to be that people shouldn't vote badly. I agree, but they do, and often.
There is no debate on the result of the 2016 referendum. It is what it is.
We need to find a path that is consistent with the EUref. That's it. That's what we need to do.
Our MPs wish to arse about. Hopeless idiots generally. I have your card marked as of better stuff.
It’s consistent with the EU ref to reconsider leaving. Voting leave in order to end up remaining was actively promoted by several Leave campaigners.
Have you just won £1000? If yes, congratulations on the of the most impressive bets in pb history.
Not quite yet. The bet was that we would still be in the EU at the end of 2019.
My guess is that you still have a decent chance, when we ask for the longer extension May wanted to seek yesterday, in early April. But you may need to argue that the bet should be decided - like Brexit itself - working from the European timezone.
I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.
IIRC UEA wouldn't let them film A Very Peculiar Practice there, although the series was indeed based on that university. (I think it was mostly filmed at Birmingham University.) . Similarly the location scouts couldn't find anywhere in Surbiton that they felt was posh enough for the Goods and Ledbetters and it was actually filmed in Harrow. Surbiton is my home town and I grew up near The Avenue, which is a real street but not as leafy as portrayed in the show.
Some of A Very Peculiar Practice was filmed at Keele, which the University was still talking about when I was there in the early 90s.
She has up to the April date, max. Unless the deal passes, which it won't, in which case she might make it to the end of June while the Tories pick a new leader.
I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.
The HQ building of Reggie Perrin's Grot business in Hangar Lane is however suitably grotty nowadays.
no they aren't!!!! A Statutory Instrument is required on the UK side - it will happen and the HoC will approve it but it isn't done yet.
We are not leaving on the 29th,
That is done.
The new date has not yet been set
You keep saying this but I don't know why - the SI needs to be voted on - de facto you are correct that the UK won't leave on the 29th but there really is a reason the govt will be introducing an SI probably on Monday, it's not for laughs - and I just don't get your rationale for denying it, it's odd. Nobody has denied your point that the UK will still be a member of the EU after 29 March, just some people have gently pointed out you are mistaken about the need for further legal activity.
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?
Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.
Baker Street is the greatest non-event in visiting fictional locations. However simply given its so uninteresting you're naturally drawn to suspect! But suspect what Watson!?
You keep saying this but I don't know why - the SI needs to be voted on - de facto you are correct that the UK won't leave on the 29th but there really is a reason the govt will be introducing an SI probably on Monday, it's not for laughs - and I just don't get your rationale for denying it, it's odd. Nobody has denied your point that the UK will still be a member of the EU after 29 March, just some people have gently pointed out you are mistaken about the need for further legal activity.
Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
No legislation is required to extend Article 50. We have extended Article 50.
She has up to the April date, max. Unless the deal passes, which it won't, in which case she might make it to the end of June while the Tories pick a new leader.
I heard the the Minister of State at the Foreign Office Tobias Ellwood gamely plugging away for her on R4 earlier.
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?
Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.
The pathetic commentators on ITV couldn't say which Czech players were kicking the ball. In years gone by memorizing the teams was part of their craft.
Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
The EUWA says a minister can change Exit Day ‘by regulation’, which others on here think requires a simple vote of both Houses (and it was touted for Monday last time I saw). I’d expect only the hardline antis to vote against, no?
Possible snag: there is no guillotine in the Lords, so a handful for hard Brexiteers might filibuster it if it was laid close to March 29, in which case we'd crash out even if the Commons voted 5-1 to stay. Would conclude the episode in a suitably farcical manner.
You keep saying this but I don't know why - the SI needs to be voted on - de facto you are correct that the UK won't leave on the 29th but there really is a reason the govt will be introducing an SI probably on Monday, it's not for laughs - and I just don't get your rationale for denying it, it's odd. Nobody has denied your point that the UK will still be a member of the EU after 29 March, just some people have gently pointed out you are mistaken about the need for further legal activity.
Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
No legislation is required to extend Article 50. We have extended Article 50.
No votes were taken, and yet it happened.
We will not leave on the 29th.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it.
I expect the ERG usual suspects will oppose the neutral programme motion on Monday noting the outcome of the summit, so they'll have their chance to register their opposition.
The pathetic commentators on ITV couldn't say which Czech players were kicking the ball. In years gone by memorizing the teams was part of their craft.
Possible snag: there is no guillotine in the Lords, so a handful for hard Brexiteers might filibuster it if it was laid close to March 29, in which case we'd crash out even if the Commons voted 5-1 to stay. Would conclude the episode in a suitably farcical manner.
We have extended Article 50 to an unspecified date.
Even though May has annoyed the hell out of me and I have little time for her I still can’t help feeling sympathy at times for her .
I keep questioning how on earth I should even feel this . It’s bizarre . She almost has become a tragic figure , without allies .
Her WA in terms of an orderly departure isn’t bad. I think if one is honest no one could have done much better.
My biggest problem is her failure to make any efforts to unite the country . Indeed she became a hostage of her Remain vote and over compensated . She allowed the ERG and right wing press to drive her into bad decisions . She put down red lines without seeing the pitfalls further down the line .
The country is hopelessly divided , I’ve never seen the country in such a horrible mess . It’s sad to see so much anger , with friends falling out , families at war .
When the country needed someone who would make a red line of unifying , instead May stood by and let the divisions grow and sometimes added to them .
Indeed if she had said my red line is that , I think many would have applauded her regardless of how they voted in the EU ref .
Because she never did that and ignored Remainers , she essentially said you lost suck it up and you’re not important . The only people that matter are Leavers , ignoring the 48% who felt they were written out of their own future .
This has just entrenched Remainers . Many who were initially willing to accept the result , wanted to feel that the country still belonged to them as much as Leavers.
The ERG are also to blame because they’ve hijacked the vote to deliver a narrative that only their version of pure Brexit will do . The media have played along , failing to hold them to account , allowing them to deliver a constant barrage of misinformation such as the Article 24 of GATT WTO . Which they peddle even though they know it’s a lie and have been told so by trade experts .
Remainers don’t want a UK delivered by ERG . That is not a country that we can accept. The fear of the capitalists on steroids , the destruction of the welfare state etc is why many Remainers have said enough is enough .
I still hope that a way forward can be found that can heal some of the divisions but it’s really hard to see how .
I’m not really angry now just sad at what’s happened to the UK .
Atlanta is an awful city, I’ve no idea why anyone would want to live there.
However, it does have The Optimist, which is a superb seafood restaurant and would almost certainly be starred were it in a more Michelin-friendly locale.
I am always saddened when physically in places where fictional people lived. I've been in Cricklewood (Goodies) Surbiton (Good Life) University of East Anglia (A Very Peculiar Practice and - I shit you not - Avengers HQ) and they did not live up to their reputation, being almost entirely lacking in trandems, compost, and Thors.
IIRC UEA wouldn't let them film A Very Peculiar Practice there, although the series was indeed based on that university. (I think it was mostly filmed at Birmingham University.) . Similarly the location scouts couldn't find anywhere in Surbiton that they felt was posh enough for the Goods and Ledbetters and it was actually filmed in Harrow. Surbiton is my home town and I grew up near The Avenue, which is a real street but not as leafy as portrayed in the show.
Some of A Very Peculiar Practice was filmed at Keele, which the University was still talking about when I was there in the early 90s.
It didn't look much different from when I was there in the 60s.
The worst kind of shroud waving. Brexit could cause a range of supply chain challenges, but the EpiPen shortage has been going on for some time, is global, and relates to flaws in the safety measures used during the manufacturing process, nothing to do with Brexit (indeed how would it have buggered the supply chain, we remain in the EU).
Atlanta is an awful city, I’ve no idea why anyone would want to live there.
However, it does have The Optimist, which is a superb seafood restaurant and would almost certainly be starred were it in a more Michelin-friendly locale.
Possible snag: there is no guillotine in the Lords, so a handful for hard Brexiteers might filibuster it if it was laid close to March 29, in which case we'd crash out even if the Commons voted 5-1 to stay. Would conclude the episode in a suitably farcical manner.
We have extended Article 50 to an unspecified date.
Honest question. Given the law of the land is the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, what legislation is required for May to extended Article 50? Can she just do it, or does she need the House to pass something?
The EUWA says a minister can change Exit Day ‘by regulation’, which others on here think requires a simple vote of both Houses (and it was touted for Monday last time I saw). I’d expect only the hardline antis to vote against, no?
Possible snag: there is no guillotine in the Lords, so a handful for hard Brexiteers might filibuster it if it was laid close to March 29, in which case we'd crash out even if the Commons voted 5-1 to stay. Would conclude the episode in a suitably farcical manner.
The HOL can change the rules to stop a filibuster and if the Commons pass it then anyone in the HOL trying to force a no deal would be in big trouble !
The first 4 paragraphs are, IMV, fairly close to apple pie.
The 4 specific examples seem self-evidently examples of bad behaviour
It’s only paragraphs 5 & 6 that could be remotely controversial
Lots of us think we're citizens of the world, though it's a bit pompous to say so. May's speech explicitly associates that with four examples of bad behaviour, in order to seek party political advantage.
If you imagine she'd been talking about the British, and giving examples of various con-men, thugs and nutters - wouldn't you feel it was a bit insulting?
Oh, for God's sake, the trifling things people will fuss about.
We're talking about freedom, liberty, self-determination - TAKING BACK CONTROL. Whole political careers are here for the making. Please don't give us boring stuff about sick kids ...
It's almost funny how stupid you make yourself look at times.
As you may have seen this story actually has NOTHING at all to do with brexit.
We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
But the UK law currently says the 1972 Act is repealed and we bugger off at 11pm next Friday. That was drawn from EU law, but has to be changed by a minister under an SI passed by both Houses. It will be done but hasn’t yet.
Doesn't it still have to be changed on the UK side?
Yes, it still has to be changed. However, failing to change it wouldn't result in Britain leaving the EU, it would result in it having all kinds of broken laws that assumed it had left the EU when it hadn't.
Yeah because all those signatures are unique and real voters who didn't vote last time.
*rolleyes*
The process is much more rigid. You can’t try to multivote as it picks up your IP address even if you had more than one email account . There are of course likely to be some trying to pull a fast one but so far this has not been a big problem .
Trying to trash the petition on grounds it’s dodgy seems a bit desperate , if however you want to deride it as unlikely to change much in the Commons then you’d have a stronger point .
It would need to get to an extraordinary level to do that .
Are we three or two episodes from the end of this season?
Apparently there will be some spin-off shows. From the NYT: "Even though Mr. Mueller's report is complete, some aspects of his inquiry remain active and may be overseen by the same prosecutors once they are reassigned to their old jobs within the Justice Department. For instance, recently filed court documents suggest that investigators are still examining why the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort turned over campaign polling data in 2016 to a Russian associate whom prosecutors said was tied to Russian intelligence."
Are we three or two episodes from the end of this season?
Apparently there will be some spin-off shows. From the NYT: "Even though Mr. Mueller's report is complete, some aspects of his inquiry remain active and may be overseen by the same prosecutors once they are reassigned to their old jobs within the Justice Department. For instance, recently filed court documents suggest that investigators are still examining why the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort turned over campaign polling data in 2016 to a Russian associate whom prosecutors said was tied to Russian intelligence."
One question is what he has to say about Nigel Farage.
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We are not leaving on the 29th. That is not the law, in the UK or the EU.
Which means that the next Conservative government would take the UK straight out of the EU without even attempting any negotiations.
We can't legally leave on the 29th
The new date has yet to be set.
There is no debate on the result of the 2016 referendum. It is what it is.
We need to find a path that is consistent with the EUref. That's it. That's what we need to do.
Our MPs wish to arse about. Hopeless idiots generally. I have your card marked as of better stuff.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(18)30344-4/fulltext
We're talking about freedom, liberty, self-determination - TAKING BACK CONTROL. Whole political careers are here for the making. Please don't give us boring stuff about sick kids ...
https://twitter.com/ERAUWatret/status/1107087143770513408
Another clinical performance so far under Gareth. Enjoyed the first half. The youth, the pace, and the potential of the squad is fantastic.
Well I'm still leaving next Friday. What you do is up to you.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/m4-brexit-truckers-protest-motorways-16015371?utm_source=facebook, twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wales_jason
No votes were taken, and yet it happened.
We will not leave on the 29th.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it.
Edit: As I typed that, hat trick. Superb.
"Possible snag: there is no guillotine in the Lords"
I keep questioning how on earth I should even feel this . It’s bizarre . She almost has become a tragic figure , without allies .
Her WA in terms of an orderly departure isn’t bad. I think if one is honest no one could have done much better.
My biggest problem is her failure to make any efforts to unite the country . Indeed she became a hostage of her Remain vote and over compensated . She allowed the ERG and right wing press to drive her into bad decisions . She put down red lines without seeing the pitfalls further down the line .
The country is hopelessly divided , I’ve never seen the country in such a horrible mess . It’s sad to see so much anger , with friends falling out , families at war .
When the country needed someone who would make a red line of unifying , instead May stood by and let the divisions grow and sometimes added to them .
Indeed if she had said my red line is that , I think many would have applauded her regardless of how they voted in the EU ref .
Because she never did that and ignored Remainers , she essentially said you lost suck it up and you’re not important . The only people that matter are Leavers , ignoring the 48% who felt they were written out of their own future .
This has just entrenched Remainers . Many who were initially willing to accept the result , wanted to feel that the country still belonged to them as much as Leavers.
The ERG are also to blame because they’ve hijacked the vote to deliver a narrative that only their version of pure Brexit will do . The media have played along , failing to hold them to account , allowing them to deliver a constant barrage of misinformation such as the Article 24 of GATT WTO . Which they peddle even though they know it’s a lie and have been told so by trade experts .
Remainers don’t want a UK delivered by ERG . That is not a country that we can accept. The fear of the capitalists on steroids , the destruction of the welfare state etc is why many Remainers have said enough is enough .
I still hope that a way forward can be found that can heal some of the divisions but it’s really hard to see how .
I’m not really angry now just sad at what’s happened to the UK .
However, it does have The Optimist, which is a superb seafood restaurant and would almost certainly be starred were it in a more Michelin-friendly locale.
*rolleyes*
I noticed that - very poor as you say and disrespectful to our opponents.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1109135605898887168
If you imagine she'd been talking about the British, and giving examples of various con-men, thugs and nutters - wouldn't you feel it was a bit insulting?
As you may have seen this story actually has NOTHING at all to do with brexit.
Trying to trash the petition on grounds it’s dodgy seems a bit desperate , if however you want to deride it as unlikely to change much in the Commons then you’d have a stronger point .
It would need to get to an extraordinary level to do that .
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/sep/12/tom-watson-lost-seven-stone-reversed-type-2-diabetes-interview
Unless the Remain march tomorrow attracts more than 50 attendees, it will be beaten by the Leave march.
An unduly lenient verdict.
Most people can't trace their family history back far enough to be contemporaneous with a worse PM.