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Looking at this latest YouGov polling it really is quite remarkable how people feel about brexit. I suppose a lot of it is just simply exhaustion with each days news being totally dominated by the issue, something that has been going on for years it seems.
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First (although, probably not)0
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Sloppy seconds.0
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We're doing a damned stupid thing in a damned stupid way ... who exactly is going to be happy about it?0
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Second. Like the likely length of time of any re negotiations of the backstop.
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Has Ollie Letwin saved the pound yet ?0
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I'm not saying it was, I'm just saying his playing with a straight bat or not, and being honest about his inflexibility, doesn't matter if no outcome is obtained. Frankly I don't give a crap who's fault it is. Being smug and superior about how much of a mess our position has been doesn't make no deal any better for them.Richard_Tyndall said:
It is not Barnier who made a mess of the UK negotiating position. If May didn't think she could get her deal through she should not have agreed to it. The fact that she did agree to it makes it reasonable that Barnier she then expect that meant she could get it through Parliament. It was not his job to babysit the British side of the negotiation.kle4 said:
That's great. He was supposed to help to get a deal though. Drafting a deal, as May could tell him, doesn't win you any prizes.Richard_Tyndall said:
And yet the one person on all sides who has played with an absolutely straight bat at all times in this whole process is Barnier.Charles said:
It’s subject to EU approval of the technological solution. As with so much here it’s a lack of trust that’s the issue. And if you don’t trust your partner a deal can’t workrpjs said:
But the backstospeaks volumes.notme2 said:
We are buggered, but it will bugger them also (to a lesser extent). I dont want a no deal, but the EU is not acting reasonably by expecting a backstop in perpetuity. A compromise or fudge is a crowning feature of most of what the EU does.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, bring it on. And then what?notme2 said:
If the only thing that stops a deal happening is the refusal to not make the backstop a permanent feature of the agreement, then quite rightly the EU will be to blame.SouthamObserver said:It is all about the blame game now, isn't it?
The Tories undoubtedly hope the EU will be blamed for No Deal. And maybe the EU will be. But it is not very clear how that actually helps us deal with a No Deal. So, what is the plan?
It is also pretty clear that when we do depart Ireland will not do anything to change the border. That will help Ireland, of course. But how does it help us? Our problems are not there, but elsewhere in all kinds of ways.
In short, a No Deal departure puts us in an even weaker negotiating position than we are now.
Wonderful!
They screwed down a deal, used their unity to give us a punishment beating. And the British Parliament said no. Too cocky by half.
Bring it on.0 -
Is any radio station carrying the debate/following the divisions?
If I'm going to be unhappy about this I may as well listen to the details.0 -
There’s an audio and video stream at https://parliamentlive.tvOblitusSumMe said:Is any radio station carrying the debate/following the divisions?
If I'm going to be unhappy about this I may as well listen to the details.0 -
Nandy voting for Cooper
No way TND 30 is going to materialise if Nandy voting for i thought she would abstain.0 -
Turns out the blood donor story has been shut down already0
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Should May just stand aside and let Cooper be PM right now?0
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If the Cooper amendment passes and the Brady amendment falls, then it seems clear where the confidence of the House on matters Brexit lies.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside and let Cooper be PM right now?
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First stage is to get Corbyn to stand aside for herkle4 said:Should May just stand aside and let Cooper be PM right now?
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I'd imagine any Labour abstentions/votes against will come from this lot:
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/575#notrecorded
So yes, Nandy is a scalp for Cooper.0 -
I think 30 is too much, but there only needs to be about half that for the vote to fall, I think. Cooper's last amendment on No Deal was only carried by a majority of 7, so it only needs a few Labour MPs who voted for that one to get cold feet this time, and of course all those Tory ministers who were assuring the press they'd resign in order to stop No Deal have (predictably) bottled it now that it's come to the crunch.bigjohnowls said:Nandy voting for Cooper
No way TND 30 is going to materialise if Nandy voting for i thought she would abstain.0 -
In the race for "whose displacement activity is most displacement-y" competition, Cooper's plan to Nothing Has Changed our way all the way till Christmas is by far the most fulsome.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside and let Cooper be PM right now?
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One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.kle4 said:
I'm not saying it was, I'm just saying his playing with a straight bat or not, and being honest about his inflexibility, doesn't matter if no outcome is obtained. Frankly I don't give a crap who's fault it is. Being smug and superior about how much of a mess our position has been doesn't make no deal any better for them.Richard_Tyndall said:
at meant she could get it through Parliament. It was not his job to babysit the British side of the negotiation.kle4 said:
That's great. He was supposed to help to get a deal though. Drafting a deal, as May could tell him, doesn't win you any prizes.Richard_Tyndall said:
And yet the one person on all sides who has played with an absolutely straight bat at all times in this whole process is Barnier.Charles said:
It’s subject to EU approval of the technological solution. As with so much here it’s a lack of trust that’s the issue. And if you don’t trust your partner a deal can’t workrpjs said:
But the backstospeaks volumes.notme2 said:
We are buggered, but it will bugger them also (to a lesser extent). I dont want a no deal, but the EU is not acting reasonably by expecting a backstop in perpetuity. A compromise or fudge is a crowning feature of most of what the EU does.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, bring it on. And then what?notme2 said:
If the only thing that stops a deal happening is the refusal to not make the backstop a permanent feature of the agreement, then quite rightly the EU will be to blame.SouthamObserver said:It is all about the blame game now, isn't it?
The Tories undoubtedly hope the EU will be blamed for No Deal. And maybe the EU will be. But it is not very clear how that actually helps us deal with a No Deal. So, what is the plan?
It is also pretty clear that when we do depart Ireland will not do anything to change the border. That will help Ireland, of course. But how does it help us? Our problems are not there, but elsewhere in all kinds of ways.
In short, a No Deal departure puts us in an even weaker negotiating position than we are now.
Wonderful!
They screwed down a deal, used their unity to give us a punishment beating. And the British Parliament said no. Too cocky by half.
Bring it on.0 -
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.0 -
Thank goodness there's a full night of Premier League football.0
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Odd list. I count 74 Labour MPs including Cooper herself, Keir Starmer and Tom Watson.Pulpstar said:I'd imagine any Labour abstentions/votes against will come from this lot:
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/575#notrecorded
So yes, Nandy is a scalp for Cooper.0 -
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.0 -
She has just won her party leadership and a vnoc on the government.Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
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Burnley at Old Trafford? You sure you wouldn't prefer to watch the Brexit debate, Mike?MikeSmithson said:Thank goodness there's a full night of Premier League football.
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Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced0
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Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.0 -
We will find out then. Just as we generally do after previous PMs have resigned after losing the confidence of the house. My vote would be for Gove.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.0 -
Remember the before-times? When politics was about issues and policies, rather than an endless, winding Tory psychodrama?0
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I had dealings with Cooper over HIPS and she had not got a clueRoger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
Mind you, she is vastly better than Corbyn0 -
She was the obvious choice for leader in 2015 in terms of being able to win a general election, (something Labour has achieved 3 times in the last 40 years). Labour members thought otherwise.Roger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
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No.Stereotomy said:Remember the before-times? When politics was about issues and policies, rather than an endless, winding Tory psychodrama?
Then again I was only born in 1982.0 -
You mean like the mass murder of 600,000 Iraqis or the psychodrama of Gordon Brown wanting to know when Blair would hand over to Brown?Stereotomy said:Remember the before-times? When politics was about issues and policies, rather than an endless, winding Tory psychodrama?
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Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.
EDIT: Here it is again in full
My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not to be tolerated.0 -
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.0 -
There is nothing bright or appealing about Cooper. There has been nothing in her career thus far that demonstrates any real political clue or conviction.
Never seen why she rose so high.0 -
Oh, I think her plan is terrible, but it may be what the House wants.gypsumfantastic said:
In the race for "whose displacement activity is most displacement-y" competition, Cooper's plan to Nothing Has Changed our way all the way till Christmas is by far the most fulsome.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside and let Cooper be PM right now?
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So. stop. trying.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Like there weren't endless Tory psychodrama then too? The party elected and sacked IDS in that time for Pete's sake.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean like the mass murder of 600,000 Iraqis or the psychodrama of Gordon Brown wanting to know when Blair would hand over to Brown?Stereotomy said:Remember the before-times? When politics was about issues and policies, rather than an endless, winding Tory psychodrama?
How old would you need to be to remember before endless Tory psychodrama? 40s at least I imagine.0 -
Not sure what your point is with Iraq, I'd certainly never defend that. The Blair/Brown drama does have a pretty similar feeling, but at least that was a sort of subplot, rather than politics endlessly being about nothing elseTheScreamingEagles said:
You mean like the mass murder of 600,000 Iraqis or the psychodrama of Gordon Brown wanting to know when Blair would hand over to Brown?Stereotomy said:Remember the before-times? When politics was about issues and policies, rather than an endless, winding Tory psychodrama?
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She was once a prolific contributor here on PB. If Roger had smooched up to her then, how differently things might have worked out!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I had dealings with Cooper over HIPS and she had not got a clueRoger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
Mind you, she is vastly better than Corbyn0 -
There's a lot of heat in this Commons debate but not much light.0
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He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.0 -
Can't you say the exact same thing about Varadkar and Barnier?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
When was that?Peter_the_Punter said:
She was once a prolific contributor here on PB. If Roger had smooched up to her then, how differently things might have worked out!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I had dealings with Cooper over HIPS and she had not got a clueRoger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
Mind you, she is vastly better than Corbyn0 -
The only thing she did in government was the incompetence that was HIPS. Sharpness has obviously come late. By way of balance, I was at university with one of the politicians seen as an intellectual father of Brexit. I assume that competition is low or he was a very, very late developer.Roger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
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There's someone on the Labour front bench who looks very similar to the singer Elkie Brooks but I don't know who it is.0
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Brexit is a journey, not a destination.0
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He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.0 -
Possibly a circular journey.Recidivist said:Brexit is a journey, not a destination.
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Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
Indeed.kle4 said:
Possibly a circular journey.Recidivist said:Brexit is a journey, not a destination.
The sooner we Leave (with No Deal) the sooner we rejoin.0 -
based on ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
A little tasteless given yesterday’s newsBarnesian said:Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.
EDIT: Here it is again in full
My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not to be tolerated.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsbradio.com/news/national/louis-police-officer-killed-colleague-died-during-game-russian-roulette-authorities-say/AX8aiSm1zLKen8wXgrlUWO/amp.html0 -
He made the NHS less efficient, degraded morale as Home Sec, and set the groundwork for destroying legal aid as Justice Sec. As Chancellor he was lucky, but had poor political judgement and inexplicably made fuel more expensive.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
And I’m a Tory...0 -
"The intellectual father of brexit"matt said:
The only thing she did in government was the incompetence that was HIPS. Sharpness has obviously come late. By way of balance, I was at university with one of the politicians seen as an intellectual father of Brexit. I assume that competition is low or he was a very, very late developer.Roger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
Was there one?0 -
Ken's been doing his Parliamentary stuff for nearly 50 years and never let us down.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
His ability to overcome his deficiencies (ginger, face like a shrivelled scrotum) to be an accomplished shagger?Alanbrooke said:
based on ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
What are the odds on all 7 amendments being defeated?0
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Peter MandelsonRoger said:
"The intellectual father of brexit"matt said:
The only thing she did in government was the incompetence that was HIPS. Sharpness has obviously come late. By way of balance, I was at university with one of the politicians seen as an intellectual father of Brexit. I assume that competition is low or he was a very, very late developer.Roger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
Was there one?0 -
Yes, and he was a superb Health Sec and Chancellor. Definitely one of the outstanding politicians of the last 50 years.TheScreamingEagles said:Ken's been doing his Parliamentary stuff for nearly 50 years and never let us down.
But PtP specifically said 'the outstanding parliamentarian', which is slightly different.0 -
Starmer: delay of A50 inevitable.0
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John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10902767558715473970 -
Besides a memorable resignation how much did Cook achieve?Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.HYUFD said:John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10902767558715473970 -
For she rode a blazing saddleBarnesian said:Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.
EDIT: Here it is again in full
My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not
ey might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and notBarnesian said:Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.
EDIT: Here it is again in full
My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but thto be tolerated.
She wore a shining star
She conquered fear and she conquered hate and she turned dark night into day for
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I've yet to see anyone explain what Cooper's proposal actually achieves other than kicking the can past the EU elections. We will still face a deadline with no deal as a default.
Deals are only reached at the 11th hour with the EU. Nothing will change through Cooper besides give us more months of this without the ticking clock putting pressure on to reach a compromise.0 -
This Stephen Barclay is not great, is he?0
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Nodixiedean said:This Stephen Barclay is not great, is he?
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Should we expect the results of the Corbyn amendment at 7.15 then next one at 7.30 etc?0
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unless both sides are going to use the time to do more preparation for a no deal its simply political micawberismPhilip_Thompson said:I've yet to see anyone explain what Cooper's proposal actually achieves other than kicking the can past the EU elections. We will still face a deadline with no deal as a default.
Deals are only reached at the 11th hour with the EU. Nothing will change through Cooper besides give us more months of this without the ticking clock putting pressure on to reach a compromise.0 -
One thing that has really surprised me since the referendum is the unwillingness of politicians to take power back from Brussels. I thought they'd jump at the chance....Philip_Thompson said:I've yet to see anyone explain what Cooper's proposal actually achieves other than kicking the can past the EU elections. We will still face a deadline with no deal as a default.
Deals are only reached at the 11th hour with the EU. Nothing will change through Cooper besides give us more months of this without the ticking clock putting pressure on to reach a compromise.0 -
gets my unbiased voteTheScreamingEagles said:
Ken's been doing his Parliamentary stuff for nearly 50 years and never let us down.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.0 -
Yes I think so.Philip_Thompson said:Should we expect the results of the Corbyn amendment at 7.15 then next one at 7.30 etc?
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His Arms to Iraq speech made him a legend. I'll give you his contemporary Malcolm Rifkind too, but will stick with Clarke myself.Richard_Nabavi said:
Ooh, big claim!Peter_the_Punter said:
He's the outstanding Parliamentarian of my lifetime.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been a very successful Secretary of State at Health, Education, Home, and Justice as well being the finest Chancellor of my lifetime.kle4 said:
It makes sense. Yes, he's an ardent remainer, but he has proven that does not prevent him from compromising on his own preferred option, he's respected, and would surely only be interim.TheScreamingEagles said:
Kenneth Clarke.brokenwheel said:
And that would be...?Philip_Thompson said:
Let me stop you there with a yes.kle4 said:Should May just stand aside
If she doesn't win today's votes she should resign. The PM needs to be someone who can command the confidence of the house.
He knows how to get stuff done in government.
I don't necessarily disagree, but people might counter with Robin Cook, to name but one.
By comparison, what do we have today? Bleeding pigmies, mate.0 -
I guess they don’t want to preside over whatever’s left in the aftermath of Brexit and think they have more power working with others.Mortimer said:
One thing that has really surprised me since the referendum is the unwillingness of politicians to take power back from Brussels. I thought they'd jump at the chance....Philip_Thompson said:I've yet to see anyone explain what Cooper's proposal actually achieves other than kicking the can past the EU elections. We will still face a deadline with no deal as a default.
Deals are only reached at the 11th hour with the EU. Nothing will change through Cooper besides give us more months of this without the ticking clock putting pressure on to reach a compromise.0 -
Just took 2.26 on Cooper passingTissue_Price said:
Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.HYUFD said:John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10902767558715473970 -
What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?
https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808
This proposal is barking.0 -
Pleasure. Thanks for responding to my question about the supposed surprising poll over the weekend, btw.AndyJS said:
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Betfair markets low liquidity, but for what it's worth they're currently ....
Cooper 44%
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I expect it to passbigjohnowls said:
Just took 2.26 on Cooper passingTissue_Price said:
Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.HYUFD said:John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
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A little tasteless to go searching for that story to try undermine an important issue here in parliament.Charles said:
A little tasteless given yesterday’s newsBarnesian said:Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.
EDIT: Here it is again in full
My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not to be tolerated.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsbradio.com/news/national/louis-police-officer-killed-colleague-died-during-game-russian-roulette-authorities-say/AX8aiSm1zLKen8wXgrlUWO/amp.html0 -
It seems designed to make other proposals look less silly. If she wants to outsource her own job that's her business, no need to involve us.dr_spyn said:What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?
https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808
This proposal is barking.0 -
Pathetic Performance by Barclay might swing a few votes??0
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The role of Govt. in this is quite horrifying. Trashing businesses. Started 2008, on Labour's watch. Carried on through the Coalition, so no party political point-scoring.
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Does anyone have a link to the 7? amendments to be voted on tonight please?0
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Who are the Brady fans outside the gov't "usual" majority?0
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Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guessworkTissue_Price said:
Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.HYUFD said:John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10902767558715473970 -
I thought it was the monkeyAlanbrooke said:
Peter MandelsonRoger said:
"The intellectual father of brexit"matt said:
The only thing she did in government was the incompetence that was HIPS. Sharpness has obviously come late. By way of balance, I was at university with one of the politicians seen as an intellectual father of Brexit. I assume that competition is low or he was a very, very late developer.Roger said:Yvette Cooper is bright sharp and appealing. The contrast with Graham Brady -known by his electors in Hale as 'Thicko'-couldn't be more pronounced
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Nobody bar the DUP, Hopkins, Mann and Hoey according to Rentoul plus the Government will also lose Redwood and hardline Brexiteers and ultra Remainers like Soubry who are also voting against BradyTheWhiteRabbit said:Who are the Brady fans outside the gov't "usual" majority?
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kinda assumes the government wants to win its votebigjohnowls said:Pathetic Performance by Barclay might swing a few votes??
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Yes, hard to argue with either Ken Clarke or Robin Cook. On my shortlist I'd also have Tony Benn and Enoch Powell as Parliamentarians.Peter_the_Punter said:
His Arms to Iraq speech made him a legend. I'll give you his contemporary Malcolm Rifkind too, but will stick with Clarke myself.
By comparison, what do we have today? Bleeding pigmies, mate.
From the Liberal side Jo Grimond and Russell Johnston. I'd also add Gerry Fitt.
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Cooper to pass
Well Betfair offered 2,32 so I took that too
-174 or +236
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I'm sure she'll be donating her salary to said Citizens.dr_spyn said:What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?
https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808
This proposal is barking.
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Any cabinet ministers supporting Cooper ?HYUFD said:
Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guessworkTissue_Price said:
Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.HYUFD said:John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/10902767558715473970 -
These?Benpointer said:Does anyone have a link to the 7? amendments to be voted on tonight please?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/parliament-next-steps-brexit
Also shows the nonselected ones.0
