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Not sure Bercow can be depended on for anything other than what boosts his ego.DavidL said:old_labour said:Northern Ireland:
10 DUP
7 SF
Does 7 SF not make the Tories bang on a majority? And they can depend on the Speaker. Gulp.0 -
"The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly."Cyclefree said:The biggest winners are the hard Left. Sadly.
The Tories need to have a proper leadership election and need to rethink their approach to Brexit. Quite fundamentally in my view.
I'm glad Wes Streeting won. I was at a lunch with him recently and liked him. Very sad about Nick Clegg. But glad that the Lib Dems did better than expected.
It's a funny old world, as someone once said, that the Tories will have got one of their highest shares of the vote and done very well in Scotland but it feels like a defeat for them.
Still, thankfully at least no PM Corbyn - for now - and even if I'm not a Corbyn supporter, good that the young have turned out to vote. It is not good to have people not voting and if it means that politicians listen to their concerns so much the better.
The trouble is all groups are being bribed and the economy is simply not strong enough to pay for all the promises. At some point soon reality is going to hit and it's not going to be pretty.
Finally, I am going to buff my nails and blow my own trumpet.
I thought Corbyn might just do it and said as much on here a few days ago, to general derision.
I was wrong but not as wrong as all those predicting large Tory majorities.
You - and we - need to ask why.0 -
Con still down 11.
BBC forecasting two more losses.
Only 16 seats to come.0 -
Assuming 7 Sinn Fein abstain and speaker likewise am I right in thinking that there are 642 active seats and therefore 322 are needed for effective majority?0
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Depends on Brexit - soft Brexit will recover the remainer seats she has lost tonightTravelJunkie said:Tory party going to get wiped out in 2022 if they doing to power.
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Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
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Refund?The_Apocalypse said:Also, I wonder how all those Tories who paid £3 to vote for Corbyn feel now....
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Well, they've cemented the Left in control of the Labour Party for a generation. Whether they ever get power is another matter.The_Apocalypse said:Also, I wonder how all those Tories who paid £3 to vote for Corbyn feel now....
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Talking of kip - I'm going to grab some. An hour, at least
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One Labour gain I wouldn't mind......tlg86 said:Declaration for Brighton Pavilion coming shortly. Come on Labour!
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Gawd bless 'er Ladyship.Alanbrooke said:
plus one Indold_labour said:Northern Ireland:
10 DUP
7 SF
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Nope. (650-7)/2 = 643/2 = 322 for a majority.DavidL said:old_labour said:Northern Ireland:
10 DUP
7 SF
Does 7 SF not make the Tories bang on a majority? And they can depend on the Speaker. Gulp.0 -
Two options as I can see it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I'm very worried about the hard Left.
I don't know how the Tories increase their popularity to prevent a defeat to them in a year or two, however.
1. Get rid of May, get a new leader and call another GE. Hope that the new leader delivers a better result than May.
2. May stays and/or replaced by someone else and delivers Brexit. Gets annihilated in an election in 2+ years time.
Personally I'd try and put Brexit on hold for a few months and try #1. The risk is that Corbyn wins and then it will be a nightmare.0 -
Cameron's not there either and the future of the conservative party is not my imo continual dicking about over Europe, but improving the lives of ordinary votersthrough better housing, improved education,, improving the economy and making the country better offJosiasJessop said:
Osborne's not in power. This disaster (and I see it as such) is not down to him, but the clown party of May, Davis, Boris and Fox, along with their acolytes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleJosiasJessop said:
Alan has been, and is, utterly against Cameron r. But they lost me.Mortimer said:
Its not about that. Your point was entirely personal to Alan, and entirely unnecessary.JosiasJessop said:
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.Mortimer said:
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.
youre off on one again
for the record I have never been against Cameron as such he never moved me one way or the other he was just sort of there
On Osborne, no prizes for guessing he has caused much of the conservative cock up of today
The politics of Cameron and Osborne are the future of the Conservative Party, not that of the Europhobes who currently hold the party's reins.0 -
I'm guessing Rod Crosby would have tipped a hung parliament.
IIRC he tipped:
UK Hung Parliament 2010
UK Tory Majority 2015
US Trump Presidency 2016
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Brighton Pavilion still returns Green.0
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Oh yes. 12 years is a good run for a party anyway.The_Apocalypse said:
Labour are winning in 2022.Danny565 said:This result could've been even worse for the Tories, very easily. So many seats went down to the wire, with them JUST getting over the line.
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Bollocks, Lucas won. Oh well, mustn't grumble.0
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Oh do me a favour if you think this is a 'hard right' government. Fucking 'ell. People have been awake too long.atia2 said:
Why not? What's so good about the hard right?hunchman said:
Me too. As much as I dislike and detest the Tories, a hard left government doesn't bear thinking about
Right, I really am off to bed now.0 -
Extraordinary exit poll. just 2 seats out.0
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Yeah....and that has led to Labour making GAINS during this GE, and on a 40%+ share. They are well placed to win in 2022.tlg86 said:
Well, they've cemented the Left in control of the Labour Party for a generation. Whether they ever get power is another matter.The_Apocalypse said:Also, I wonder how all those Tories who paid £3 to vote for Corbyn feel now....
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st ives?MikeL said:Con still down 11.
BBC forecasting two more losses.
Only 16 seats to come.0 -
If we can help it, I'd rather the country didn't have to have another drafted vote until after Brexit is over.AlistairM said:
Two options as I can see it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I'm very worried about the hard Left.
I don't know how the Tories increase their popularity to prevent a defeat to them in a year or two, however.
1. Get rid of May, get a new leader and call another GE. Hope that the new leader delivers a better result than May.
2. May stays and/or replaced by someone else and delivers Brexit. Gets annihilated in an election in 2+ years time.
Personally I'd try and put Brexit on hold for a few months and try #1. The risk is that Corbyn wins and then it will be a nightmare.0 -
It is possible to appoint @RuthDavidsonMSP to the House of Lords and into the Cabinet as perhaps Secretary of State for Scotland...
— Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft) June 9, 2017
Is this true?0 -
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.0 -
The Labour candidate in Brighton Pavilion looks like a striking figure.0
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Kensington, Richmond Park, Crewe all in recounts I believe.paulyork64 said:
st ives?MikeL said:Con still down 11.
BBC forecasting two more losses.
Only 16 seats to come.0 -
Yes - hanging on = defence = loseAlistairM said:
Two options as I can see it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I'm very worried about the hard Left.
I don't know how the Tories increase their popularity to prevent a defeat to them in a year or two, however.
1. Get rid of May, get a new leader and call another GE. Hope that the new leader delivers a better result than May.
2. May stays and/or replaced by someone else and delivers Brexit. Gets annihilated in an election in 2+ years time.
Personally I'd try and put Brexit on hold for a few months and try #1. The risk is that Corbyn wins and then it will be a nightmare.
Must stay on offence = new leader + GE0 -
Up against a frankly inept Tory campaign. I'm too tired to debate this, so I'll leave it there.The_Apocalypse said:
Yeah....and that has led to Labour making GAINS during this GE, and on a 40%+ share. They are well placed to win in 2022.tlg86 said:
Well, they've cemented the Left in control of the Labour Party for a generation. Whether they ever get power is another matter.The_Apocalypse said:Also, I wonder how all those Tories who paid £3 to vote for Corbyn feel now....
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What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.0 -
As in Plymouth and Portsmouth they win the working class constituency while Labour wins the middle class one.MikeL said:
Con has held ItchenAndyJS said:4 seats left to declare on the Labour target list:
Southampton Itchen.
Crewe & Nantwich.
Crawley.
Brighton Pavilion.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QTW1Szr7ktZeVmbnnJex_CfSifFQSUTtZiBVHSiKTmw/edit?usp=drive_web&usp=sheets_home&ths=true0 -
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
cheersThreeQuidder said:
Kensington, Richmond Park, Crewe all in recounts I believe.paulyork64 said:
st ives?MikeL said:Con still down 11.
BBC forecasting two more losses.
Only 16 seats to come.0 -
I suspect Brighton Pavilion enjoy the bragging rights of having the only Green MP.0
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AlistairM said:
It is possible to appoint @RuthDavidsonMSP to the House of Lords and into the Cabinet as perhaps Secretary of State for Scotland...
— Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft) June 9, 2017
Is this true?
Far better to keep her in Scotland. Don't change a winning formula.0 -
Maybe that isn't such a bad thing, in terms of Brexit.. having both parties involved.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Take the hit for the country - Deliver Brexit, get hammered, live to fight another day. Going to the country again really would be taking the piss.MikeL said:
Yes - hanging on = defence = loseAlistairM said:
Two options as I can see it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I'm very worried about the hard Left.
I don't know how the Tories increase their popularity to prevent a defeat to them in a year or two, however.
1. Get rid of May, get a new leader and call another GE. Hope that the new leader delivers a better result than May.
2. May stays and/or replaced by someone else and delivers Brexit. Gets annihilated in an election in 2+ years time.
Personally I'd try and put Brexit on hold for a few months and try #1. The risk is that Corbyn wins and then it will be a nightmare.
Must stay on offence = new leader + GE0 -
Or Kensington?paulyork64 said:
st ives?MikeL said:Con still down 11.
BBC forecasting two more losses.
Only 16 seats to come.0 -
Newcastle Under Lyme. Lab hold by 30.0
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Agreed.kle4 said:
Take the hit for the country - Deliver Brexit, get hammered, live to fight another day. Going to the country again really would be taking the piss.MikeL said:
Yes - hanging on = defence = loseAlistairM said:
Two options as I can see it.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I'm very worried about the hard Left.
I don't know how the Tories increase their popularity to prevent a defeat to them in a year or two, however.
1. Get rid of May, get a new leader and call another GE. Hope that the new leader delivers a better result than May.
2. May stays and/or replaced by someone else and delivers Brexit. Gets annihilated in an election in 2+ years time.
Personally I'd try and put Brexit on hold for a few months and try #1. The risk is that Corbyn wins and then it will be a nightmare.
Must stay on offence = new leader + GE0 -
Wow, I like this.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Lab hold Newc-u-L by 30!0
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Newcastle under Lyme was a squeaker. Labour barely held.0
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SNP forecast was down to 32 at one point, now at 35
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Not possible, I don't think, there's no chance of Corbyn passing a Queen's Speech.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.0 -
Wow, Caroline Lucas must be a bloody good MP.0
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I think you may have a point.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.0 -
Tory majority in Stirling was 148 votes.0
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I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.0 -
Labour will expect to win comfortably in 2022 now - why jeopardize that by working with the Tories?Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.
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Boris loses half his majority. How could he possibly become leader when he's more responsible for the mess we're in than anyone except TM herself.
'Do the Remainers have a new spring in their step?' They certainly do. They're the biggest long term winners0 -
AlistairM said:
It is possible to appoint @RuthDavidsonMSP to the House of Lords and into the Cabinet as perhaps Secretary of State for Scotland...
— Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft) June 9, 2017
Is this true?
Yes, but we haven't had a PM in the Lords since Salisbury.0 -
Labour could end up with exactly the same number of seats as in 2010.0
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That's what I want as well. In fact (and I'll whisper it quietly) it's what many Labour and Lib Dem supporters want as well. It's not helped by those supposed 'Conservatives' who dick about over Europe.Alanbrooke said:
Cameron's not there either and the future of the conservative party is not my imo continual dicking about over Europe, but improving the lives of ordinary votersthrough better housing, improved education,, improving the economy and making the country better offJosiasJessop said:
Osborne's not in power. This disaster (and I see it as such) is not down to him, but the clown party of May, Davis, Boris and Fox, along with their acolytes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleJosiasJessop said:
Alan has been, and is, utterly against Cameron r. But they lost me.Mortimer said:
Its not about that. Your point was entirely personal to Alan, and entirely unnecessary.JosiasJessop said:
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.Mortimer said:
Again, time to take the personal away.JosiasJessop said:
LOSERS:Alanbrooke said:WINNERS
Corbyn
Ruth Davidson
DUP
Michel Barnier
LOSERS
May
Labour party moderates
SNP
Austerity
you.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.
youre off on one again
for the record I have never been against Cameron as such he never moved me one way or the other he was just sort of there
On Osborne, no prizes for guessing he has caused much of the conservative cock up of today
The politics of Cameron and Osborne are the future of the Conservative Party, not that of the Europhobes who currently hold the party's reins.
That's the ends. AS is often the case, the question is the all-important means.0 -
Bye Bye Theresa!
When the election was called I thought she might have a nasty surprise.
I was then seduced by the opinion polls and thought she would cruise to victory. Why did I change my mind? Stupid woman should go now. The only good thing might be the stupid Brexit might be nipped in the bud.0 -
No way is Jezza being another Ramsey MacDonald.KentRising said:
Wow, I like this.Charles said:
It's clear that the electorate want 'none of the above'.stjohn said:May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
There are big issues that need to be addressed: Brexit, terrorism and social care.
May should propose a national government, with a 2.5 year term.0 -
Forecast ticked up to 319.0
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Probably but risky.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
Corbyn would never be able to fulfil his promises and it would all fall apart quickly.0 -
Caroline Lucas huge majority. The progressives are moving forward everywhere.0
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Not enough Jewish voters. Lots more Muslim voters. Plus in the hard Left's world view Jews are the enemy: they are white and rich and probably pro-America and capitalist. Anti-Semitism is not really racism in their view. It is a morally repellent view, regardless of Corbyn's electoral success. But it is not, sadly, one which is widely shared, even on this forum.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
as well as pissing off parents who dont see why their kids should be racked up with debtanother_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
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They are on 259 now. They won 258 in 2010.Danny565 said:Labour could end up with exactly the same number of seats as in 2010.
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I'm in the let-industry-decide camp.another_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Then again, I'm a pleb without a degree.0 -
Extremes on both sides are equally bad. Far right and far left become one and the same- discriminating against certain groups out of envy, spite and bitterness.atia2 said:
Why not? What's so good about the hard right?hunchman said:
Me too. As much as I dislike and detest the Tories, a hard left government doesn't bear thinking about0 -
The country has never been more divided. If you look at the number of seats where either the Tories or Labour got more than 60% it's a very long list.0
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And LD to 14!steve_garner said:Forecast ticked up to 319.
Some unfortunate losses, they might have come within a whisker of the original predictions of late teens.
Still think Swinson or someone should take over from him though. They have a tough road to find seats they can challenge in next time.0 -
industry isnt training people, it;s importing trained ones from other countriesJosiasJessop said:
I'm in the let-industry-decide camp.another_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Then again, I'm a pleb without a degree.0 -
Implies a gain in Ceredigion or Dudley N (I assume Fife NE is out) and holding all the rest.steve_garner said:Forecast ticked up to 319.
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Totally agree.another_richard said:
Probably but risky.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
Corbyn would never be able to fulfil his promises and it would all fall apart quickly.0 -
Do the Tories stick to Hard Brexit or do get the Great Betrayal?0
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I didn't expect it. but survation has made had the best result. BMG had the worst result at the moment (least Labour result)0
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Don't think so after losing Newcastle-under-Lyme so narrowly. More candidates lost with over 40pc of the vote tonight for many a long year.steve_garner said:Forecast ticked up to 319.
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BBC are calling it-it's a hung parliament.0
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People want change. That's what leavers promised, but they didn't think through the consequences.another_richard said:
Probably but risky.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.
Corbyn would never be able to fulfil his promises and it would all fall apart quickly.0 -
Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.0 -
I just can't see this happening. There's no love lost between Lab and SNP. LibDems won't work with Corbyn. Any attempt by Corbyn to rule would fail within the first week, wouldn't it? Not worth risking the embarrassment.Tykejohnno said:
I think you may have a point.JosiasJessop said:What should the Conservatives do?
Kick out May, and let Corbyn try to govern.
It'll be painful, but better in the medium- or long-term.0 -
It was the Brexit election and the Tories lost.old_labour said:Do the Tories stick to Hard Brexit or do get the Great Betrayal?
They should scrap Brexit.0 -
Labour were supporting Brexit going in to this election!The_Taxman said:
It was the Brexit election and the Tories lost.old_labour said:Do the Tories stick to Hard Brexit or do get the Great Betrayal?
They should scrap Brexit.
As nickP speculated, their less gung ho approach, whilst not going as far as the LDs, night have been crucial in some places.0 -
The Tories will stay in power for five years. It's just a question of who's in charge.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.0 -
How?The_Taxman said:
It was the Brexit election and the Tories lost.old_labour said:Do the Tories stick to Hard Brexit or do get the Great Betrayal?
They should scrap Brexit.0 -
319+10 = 329.
As you were, basically.
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Why? After all this election should have taught us that a candidate's past - and even lies about that past - are no bar to electoral success.MyBurningEars said:
I think Rudd's past business dealings may be an obstacle to her becoming PM, perhaps rather more than her marginal seat is. ......camel said:
And Rudd hangs in.The_Apocalypse said:@Sandpit....
Scott_P said:@reactionlife: ITV reporting that Theresa May is likely to announce her intention to resign and trigger a Conservative leadership contest this morning.
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Boris Johnson to double rat on Brexit?0
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Tory minority government is the only viable one.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.
What is DUP Brexit policy?
Soft border with Ireland?0 -
Lab gain Crewe and Nantwich.0
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There are about 6,000 silicon chip designers - analogue and digital - in the country.Alanbrooke said:
industry isnt training people, it;s importing trained ones from other countriesJosiasJessop said:
I'm in the let-industry-decide camp.another_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Then again, I'm a pleb without a degree.
6,000.
When it comes to the rarer analogue (radio) regime, over half of the civil side were on the ship when we got married.
This is f'all to do with the EU. It's to do with *our* historic decisions. We need to import due to our fuckwitidness.0 -
Well not really - the price for DUP support may be high, and Tories won't be 100% disciplined.KentRising said:319+10 = 329.
As you were, basically.
Hung parliament an awkward result. But now there will need to be a lot of parliamentary involvement in any negotiation, cumbersome as that is - no where to ensure backing for government strategy otherwise.0 -
Two kids means £54k fees debt (plus other university debts).Alanbrooke said:
as well as pissing off parents who dont see why their kids should be racked up with debtanother_richard said:
I'm in the 20-25% go to university and fund them properly camp - it worked well enough like that into the 1990s.JosiasJessop said:
It's easy. *If* you think that 50% of children need to go to university, then fees at that level are necessary. *If* you think it should be less than 50%, then fee can be less.another_richard said:
Increasing student fees to £9k per year doesn't look like the best of ideas any more does it.JosiasJessop said:May is unworthy to shine Cameron's and Osborne's shoes.
Well some of us did say it was a bad idea back in 2010.
If only Clegg had told them where to go.
That's where the discussion should have been. Sadly, aside from on here, it has not been.
But as soon as you threaten teenagers with £9k per year debt then you're at risk of some populist (and that's what Corbyn is masquerading as) offering to stop that burden.
Unaffordable housing in many middle class areas and then the government has the bright idea of the dementia tax.
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There''ll be another election. not possible to last the length of time for a 5 year termAndyJS said:
The Tories will stay in power for five years. It's just a question of who's in charge.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.0 -
That's a massive shame.dr_spyn said:Lab gain Crewe and Nantwich.
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My thoughts exactly.Cyclefree said:
Why? After all this election should have taught us that a candidate's past - and even lies about that past - are no bar to electoral success.MyBurningEars said:
I think Rudd's past business dealings may be an obstacle to her becoming PM, perhaps rather more than her marginal seat is. ......camel said:
And Rudd hangs in.The_Apocalypse said:@Sandpit....
Scott_P said:@reactionlife: ITV reporting that Theresa May is likely to announce her intention to resign and trigger a Conservative leadership contest this morning.
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That was already on th eTory wishlist I would think.foxinsoxuk said:
Tory minority government is the only viable one.numbertwelve said:Tories now on 311 - enough to pass a Queens Speech with DUP backing.
The next government will be Tory. How long it lasts is another question entirely.
What is DUP Brexit policy?
Soft border with Ireland?0 -
319 looks ambitious.
It implies one more loss - yet there are several recounts underway which could lead to losses.0
