I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
Who is dressing it up as not bad? It's bloody terrible!
Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
Gonna call it unlikely.
Terrorists want power. Give them the sniff of it and they may take it.
Words matter less than power.
Not when they want to retain their kneecaps when they visit their constituencies.
Labour have replaced lib dem!s in Cornwall unbelievable
LDs have some long term problems with Labour replacing them in the SW as runners up, much as UKIP did. The bar chart swill truthfully say LDs cannot win here.
May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
I think this is the only technical possibility. The Tories can't elect (or, if it were possible, select) a new leader before a new ministry is formed. Surely she must be next PM, if only for a few weeks.
Could we have a dummy PM for a bit to get around the constitutional problems?
Someone respected, inoffensive and without ambition (ken clarke?) with agreement of >326 while the tories figure out a new leader?
Labour have replaced lib dem!s in Cornwall unbelievable
LDs have some long term problems with Labour replacing them in the SW as runners up, much as UKIP did. The bar chart swill truthfully say LDs cannot win here.
I can't get over how close labour got in Camborne redruth 1500 votes to an incumbent Tory mp
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
It's a terrible result and May will go, but the Tories haven't been removed from office.
Yes, I feel some relief that the chaos of a JC premiership has been averted, at least for the time being.
Though my fear is he's going to win a landslide the next time a vote is called.
Tories need to get their heads down and deal with Brexit now. GE can be called after that in 2019. They can probably limp on until then.
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
I think I know where it went wrong.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Very true.
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my view
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
I do wonder what impact this will have on the economy despite people not believing Project Fear previously. I was a Leaver and never believed they hype around this.
However, being in the top 5% of earners (although not what I'd consider rich as an almost single-income household) I'd expect to get hit hard by any possible future Labour government. We were planning an extension and various other items of spending - they are highly likely to be put on hold with this uncertainty. I'm not going to take any unnecessary risks knowing what a mess Labour would put the economy in. I'm very worried.
Young voters unfortunately have no idea what a proper socialist government would be like. I don't think our prosperity has come from the EU but more down to not having a proper socialist government in almost 40 years.
Have to say I think the country is going to be a bit baffled by May resigning. We just had an election fronted by various leaders .... yet now immediately after we've got some randomer who didn't even take part in the election coming in as PM?
She might have suffered a bad dent to her credibility, but she is still the public's choice to be PM.
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my view
Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
Gonna call it unlikely.
Just to ensure they're kept out, we could amend the Oath to include "maintain and promote the true and reformed Protestant faith; to abjure and condemn the Bishop of Rome, being Antichrist and the man of sin."
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my view
Ruth said she would breakaway from cons and form indie scons if Bojo was leader
Have to say I think the country is going to be a bit baffled by May resigning. We just had an election fronted by various leaders .... yet now immediately after we've got some randomer who didn't take part in it coming in as PM?
She might have suffered a bad dent to her credibility, but she is still the public's choice to be PM.
Well quite. It's all a bit weird, and yes Lab made significant advances, but May's Tories were the most chosen. And yet such is life, her authority has been shot.
When was the last time it was not under Labour, 1950s?
Stoke seat was split in 1950, but if you count South and then Stoke before it, the only time it has ever gone blue was in 1931 when Oswald Mosley split the Labour vote (his wife had previously held it for Labour but they fell out with Labour and created the New Party - the fascism came later). So a Canterbury kind of result.
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my view
I was a big Boris fan but I think he has lost his shine. He won in London last in 2012 and a lot has changed since then. London is lost to him now as a Leaver. I also don't think Scotland would look fairly on him either. It has to be someone who can appeal to all parts of the country and I think Ruth would be it. Shame she can't run.
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Ruth Davidson is not even an MP and should stay in Scotland where she is doing an excellent job hitting the SNP, Boris is the only choice for PM and Tory UK leader in my view
I'm a Boris fan but he is too Marmite and not taken seriously enough at home or abroad. Sounds odd to say after May, but as proven by her stonking poll ratings *before* the election, someone steady/boring (and yes, strong and stable!) would be popular with the country.
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
I think I know where it went wrong.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Very true.
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
and who can blame them ?
crappy uni fees, no chance of a house - if you give people no stake in society why would they vote to maintain it
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.
Can't remember where, but there's definitely one seat with them on 20.1%. Sorry.
I'm a Boris fan but he is too Marmite and not taken seriously enough at home or abroad. Sounds odd to say after May, but as proven by her stonking poll ratings *before* the election, someone steady/boring (and yes, strong and stable!) would be popular with the country.
Who that is, fcuk knows.
Not sure I necessarily agree with the rest, but if those are the criteria, it'll be Hammond.
I wonder how much Osborne is regretting his move to newspapers this am.
Not in the least. He was the bad-cop in a good-cop, bad-cop partnership. He can state his achievements without having responsibility for the future mess.
And as a newspaper editor, he's got more 'power' than most MPs, yet alone ministers.
for the same reason, you won't see Ed Balls or David Miliband re-entering parliament.
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
I think I know where it went wrong.
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
Not a surprise Labour was up with all the freebies Corbyn was promising.
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Very true.
And if the government is able to spend endless billions on bribing its own supporters and funding its vanity projects it is inevitable that those not included will support a party which offers to bribe them.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
and who can blame them ?
crappy uni fees, no chance of a house - if you give people no stake in society why would they vote to maintain it
Exactly.
The Conservatives forgot they were the party of aspiration.
We reap what George Osborne sowed.
And Clegg gets to pay the price of his dishonesty and idiocy.
Suddenly the Tories look reactionary and old fashioned and 67 year old Jeremy looks like the new kid on the block.
The twat is over 60 seats short of a majority, and May won a Thatcheresque 43% of the vote - don't get too excited.
Theresa May lost. She asked the country to give her the authority to do as she wished and the voters gave her two fingers
Yeah, she's utter crap, and needs to make way for someone with the political nous not to kick their own supporters in the teeth and then have to perform embarrassing pseudo-U-turns on it.
But Corbyn is still the merest sliver of shite on her shoe by comparison.
That's a stonking result for the DUP. 292,000 votes, 36% of the total, and 10 MP's.
I'd do a confidence and supply deal with the DUP, to be honest.
Only 322 MPs is needed now for an effective majority, given SF have 7 MPs.
If its 318 Cons + 10 DUPs I'd rather have a year or two of stable Government with that, with an effective working majority of 12, on budgets and confidence votes.
Can CON just govern on their own? Without SF 322 is a majority. Why not just hold the Queen's speech. Do we really think the LDs will vote it down - I assume they will decide to abstain for either a Con or Lab Queen's Speech - if they do vote it down they will get hammered at the next election, which lets face it will probably be later in the year. I doubt the DUP will vote them down even if there is no agreement with them - they just did well and they will not provoke a UK election if they think Corbyn will win.
That's a stonking result for the DUP. 292,000 votes, 36% of the total, and 10 MP's.
I'd do a confidence and supply deal with the DUP, to be honest.
Only 322 MPs is needed now for an effective majority, given SF have 7 MPs.
If its 318 Cons + 10 DUPs I'd rather have a year or two of stable Government with that, with an effective working majority of 12, on budgets and confidence votes.
And, bear in mind EVFEL will give a larger majority for English domestic issues too.
presumably the boundary review will still go ahead?
It might do but it shouldn't. It's another Osborne wheeze based on Conservative underperformance in Scotland and Wales during the 1990s and 2000s. This has since been reversed.
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Care to actually address the points I make? We've had so much sh*t thrown by so-called Conservatives, and now they've lost.
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
Its not about that. Your point was entirely personal to Alan, and entirely unnecessary.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.
Alan has been, and is, utterly against Cameron and Osborne. I reserve the right to act as the ghost of Christmas yet to come and show him what he's reaped.
Again, I could have been a Conservative voter. But they lost me.
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I'm still in a sense of shock and denial that the Labour vote went up that much.
Someone respected, inoffensive and without ambition (ken clarke?) with agreement of >326 while the tories figure out a new leader?
But I did really like Cameron and Osborne.
Though my fear is he's going to win a landslide the next time a vote is called.
Tories need to get their heads down and deal with Brexit now. GE can be called after that in 2019. They can probably limp on until then.
you.
Osborne orchestrated a vast wealth transfer from the young to the old and now the young have struck back.
And who can blame them ?
However, being in the top 5% of earners (although not what I'd consider rich as an almost single-income household) I'd expect to get hit hard by any possible future Labour government. We were planning an extension and various other items of spending - they are highly likely to be put on hold with this uncertainty. I'm not going to take any unnecessary risks knowing what a mess Labour would put the economy in. I'm very worried.
Young voters unfortunately have no idea what a proper socialist government would be like. I don't think our prosperity has come from the EU but more down to not having a proper socialist government in almost 40 years.
She might have suffered a bad dent to her credibility, but she is still the public's choice to be PM.
Its not necessary; and it makes you sound petty.
I see UKIP got 8% in Boston and 7% in Thanet South. I have a bet with isam that UKIP will be below 15% in every constituency. Are these the highest kipper scores?
Glad to see Lamb back.
Who that is, fcuk knows.
For a second there I thought it was Labour, because the candidate looked so pleased with himself.
You've been a wonderful audience.
crappy uni fees, no chance of a house - if you give people no stake in society why would they vote to maintain it
I'm the sort of person they should be appealing to. I could be persuaded. Instead we get 'Waaaaah!'.
If win Dumfries & Galloway that makes down 11.
So BBC is forecasting two more other net losses.
Get some kip mate. You'll feel better for it.
They will ignore 57% that voted against Tory party.
But probably another GE before Boundary Commissions report in Sept 2018 anyway.
And as a newspaper editor, he's got more 'power' than most MPs, yet alone ministers.
for the same reason, you won't see Ed Balls or David Miliband re-entering parliament.
The Conservatives forgot they were the party of aspiration.
We reap what George Osborne sowed.
And Clegg gets to pay the price of his dishonesty and idiocy.
But Corbyn is still the merest sliver of shite on her shoe by comparison.
Only 322 MPs is needed now for an effective majority, given SF have 7 MPs.
If its 318 Cons + 10 DUPs I'd rather have a year or two of stable Government with that, with an effective working majority of 12, on budgets and confidence votes.
Clacton
Copeland
Derbyshire NE
Mansfield
Middlesbrough S
Southport
Stoke S
Walsall N
Just go it alone?
Not nice.
I've just woken up, any big names gone?
Again, I could have been a Conservative voter. But they lost me.
Lab hold by 441.