So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Oxford West and Abingdon - 80%+ turnout - LibDems GAIN from CON - get in you beauty!
What fantastic turnout. Corbyn was right again, give people a real choice and they will turnout. Not as I would wish, but overall turnout must be pretty good.
Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
Gonna call it unlikely.
Just to ensure they're kept out, we could amend the Oath to include "maintain and promote the true and reformed Protestant faith; to abjure and condemn the Bishop of Rome, being Antichrist and the man of sin."
I note that St. Ives, Berwick, Hexham and Wansbeck aren't expected to declare until lunchtime. I presume that means they don't start counting until office hours begin. So it may be another half a day before the UK knows whether it has a majority government. With that, good night all.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
If Theresa May is working on her resignation honours list, since Nick and Fiona are clearly a right pair of muppets, if there's a spare OBE going, I can take it off her hands.
Boris is too divisive for a party that now needs 98% loyalty on every vote.
You are a leftie we don't care what you think we just want someone who can win, to be fair to Corbynistas they ignored moderates who said Corbyn would be a disaster too. It was Boris who won EU ref in large part. He can now finish the job
I note that St. Ives, Berwick, Hexham and Wansbeck aren't expected to declare until lunchtime. I presume that means they don't start counting until office hours begin. So it may be another half a day before the UK knows whether it has a majority government. With that, good night all.
I note that St. Ives, Berwick, Hexham and Wansbeck aren't expected to declare until lunchtime. I presume that means they don't start counting until office hours begin. So it may be another half a day before the UK knows whether it has a majority government. With that, good night all.
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
Oxford West and Abingdon - 80%+ turnout - LibDems GAIN from CON - get in you beauty!
What fantastic turnout. Corbyn was right again, give people a real choice and they will turnout. Not as I would wish, but overall turnout must be pretty good.
Gutting. I really like Nicola Blackwood.
Moran is a completely anonymous candidate - she won because of a significant tactical vote rather than because she is a really strong candidate.
It was a very energetic local campaign - no doubt about it.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
I doubt there's much good news for the Tories there.
It looks like that canvassing data you enthused about wasn't so good after all.
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
I can only go on the data I have to hand.
From what I saw last Saturday, the canvass returns hadn't moved since early May, the data was accurate, the organisation very good, and were showing a close win.
I note that St. Ives, Berwick, Hexham and Wansbeck aren't expected to declare until lunchtime. I presume that means they don't start counting until office hours begin. So it may be another half a day before the UK knows whether it has a majority government. With that, good night all.
These are factored in to the BBC forecast.
Amazingly, both Wansbeck and Blyth Valley have already declared despite the fact that both of them were supposed to be Friday counts. They must have changed their mind at the last moment.
So how many potential seats do we think were lost by the mental dementia tax and the image damage caused by the pseudo-U-turn? I think it was a minimum of 20, probably more like 30 plus. The difference between a solid win and an epochal, humiliating defeat.
Still think it was worth it, idiotic manifesto writers?
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
It's not even an issue. She is going. The narrative's already moved on: who will replace her?
May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
It is undeniably bad and May needs to go. But it is still fact that the Tories remain the least unpopular party in the UK in votes and seats. That doesn't help them much, the direction of travel was Labour rising more than Tory, and LDs made gains too, but it is fact they are largest even though that does not mitigate from a very bad night.
Everyone but UKIp can take some positives, though the SNPs is very hollow (still largest party in Scotland by a distance).
40% of the British public want free stuff and don't give a shiny shit what they have to do to get it. Kinda depressing really.
Blah blah blah. Been hearing this for weeks and it's just lazy partisan bullshit. How about accepting that 40% of the British public want a new economic settlement, similar to that made in most other countries in Western Europe?
Fecking diastster. May has to go immediately. I had a bad feeling about the election as soon as she called it. Silver lining for me. Anna Soubry hangs on... just.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
I think this is the only technical possibility. The Tories can't elect (or, if it were possible, select) a new leader before a new ministry is formed. Surely she must be next PM, if only for a few weeks.
Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
Gonna call it unlikely.
Terrorists want power. Give them the sniff of it and they may take it.
Does anyone know if Conservative party rules would allow a MSP to become leader? Get Ruth in and call another GE. Let her debate Jeremy's sweets for everyone.
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
In practice, though, even SNP+LD+Labour+PC+SDLP combining can't defeat the Tories, so the main issue is backbench rebellions and ensuring DUP/UUP at least abstain.
I can't believe some people here are trying to dress up the Conservative result as not all that bad.
Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
It's a terrible result and May will go, but the Tories haven't been removed from office.
Suddenly the Tories look reactionary and old fashioned and 67 year old Jeremy looks like the new kid on the block.
Even mentioning fox hunting was dumb. There are young voters who weren't born when it was banned. A side issue for most people but it played right into that image of the Tories.
Earlier on, I did wonder whether Corbyn would get a majority due to Sinn Fein's entering parliament.
"I, [insert post-terrorist name here], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
Gonna call it unlikely.
Terrorists want power. Give them the sniff of it and they may take it.
Words matter less than power.
Not when they want to retain their kneecaps when they visit their constituencies.
Get some sleep mate - 26 hours is too long to be awake!
Heh. You've never coded a (successful) demo for a major Japanese electronics company. From Friday morning to Sunday afternoon, aided by regular coffee and Red Bull.
When was the last time it was not under Labour, 1950s?
Stoke seat was split in 1950, but if you count South and then Stoke before it, the only time it has ever gone blue was in 1931 when Oswald Mosley split the Labour vote (his wife had previously held it for Labour but they fell out with Labour and created the New Party - the fascism came later). So a Canterbury kind of result.
May is not far off evens to be next PM. I think she will carry on - because she should.
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
I think this is the only technical possibility. The Tories can't elect (or, if it were possible, select) a new leader before a new ministry is formed. Surely she must be next PM, if only for a few weeks.
However, I have just had £20 on Gove to be PM after this GE at 160/1!
So that's the fourth consecutive Tory PM and every one since 1979 to have their Premiership/destroyed by EC/EU affairs
Should make you embrace Brexit, TSE - leaving would likely be permanent and settle the issue. At least, it's unlikely to see a mass movement for rejoining a more federal EU, adopting the euro, and so on...
Someone who worked for Vote Leave messaged me 20 mins ago and said I was right with this piece from last year
How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
Was a good piece. But I think it's wrong - partly because the British public never seem to have really embraced a European identity, but also because I think any drive back towards the arms of Europe would be based on economic concerns, and I think such demands would be sated by some form of EEA membership.
In the long game you may be right. But people have seriously suggested at various points in the past that Britain would eventually join the USA because of apparently overwhelming cultural and geopolitical considerations, and that doesn't seem any closer to happening either. If integration produces a USE, or something close to it, then Britain's path seems to me to be quite divergent from Europe's.
40% of the British public want free stuff and don't give a shiny shit what they have to do to get it. Kinda depressing really.
Blah blah blah. Been hearing this for weeks and it's just lazy partisan bullshit. How about accepting that 40% of the British public want a new economic settlement, similar to that made in most other countries in Western Europe?
Are those 40% willing to run a trade surplus similar to those in most other countries in Western Europe ?
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How the Leavers may have ultimately signed the United Kingdom up for the single currency, the Schengen agreement, an EU Army, and a United States of Europe.
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Theresa May has gone backwards. She had 330 seats going into this election, and was expected to get a majority of 100. She's managed to turn a slender, but workable majority into a minority situation. She's likely to be less than 320 and there will need to be a deal with the DUP to get legislation through. As to getting her extra two years, I doubt the parliament will last to 2022. Every by-election loss will reduce her minority further and further over the next few years. Ken Clarke will demand anything he wants, and have to be dealt with. It's a disaster for her. Anna Soubry is right. Theresa May should announce her intention to go. This morning.
They sometimes need a boot up the arse.
you got the result you wanted
you can now tell us endlessly how brilliant Dave was
Not having a go at you - its the CCHQ incompetents which have let the likes of you, DH and TP down.
It was a very energetic local campaign - no doubt about it.
From what I saw last Saturday, the canvass returns hadn't moved since early May, the data was accurate, the organisation very good, and were showing a close win.
Labour got 21424 votes wow
Still think it was worth it, idiotic manifesto writers?
Of course her ambitious colleagues are falling over themselves to ,"offer their services to the country". But she stood on a mandate to deliver BREXIT and the electorate have given her the most votes. So she stood stand and deliver.
I'm not arguing through my pocket. I'm trying to interpret the GBP's thinking. She may well want to walk away - but this is her moment in history. To navigate the British people through BREXIT.
I've talked myself around. May for next PM at 1.89.
I'm on!
Everyone but UKIp can take some positives, though the SNPs is very hollow (still largest party in Scotland by a distance).
In 2015 it was spot on.
This time it was showing the Tories up 6%ish, and they thought, well that's us home and hosed, not realising Labour might be up 10%
And believe me, I know what one of those looks like.
Silver lining for me. Anna Soubry hangs on... just.
I doubt history will treat him kindly
May ultimately paid the price for a manifesto cock-up and not being brave enough. I think she would have still done a decent job on the EU negotiations but she just didn't have enough charisma or confidence for a GE campaign. She will have to go, despite increasing the vote share, Tories don't like a loser.
Words matter less than power.
Time for bed.
And why would anyone believe the economy would collapse if they voted for Corbyn.
After all the economy didn't collapse when Leave won even though the establishment said it would.
Project Fear is no longer believed.
Cheers for the reply @AndyJS
A slightly better tactical campaign, and a bit more effort and buzz from May, and she'd be back with a majority of 24-30.
What, I've been up for 22 hours and haven't left my chair in 7, give me a break.
And we got the contract!
(RIP Owen Love and Russell Thomas).
In the long game you may be right. But people have seriously suggested at various points in the past that Britain would eventually join the USA because of apparently overwhelming cultural and geopolitical considerations, and that doesn't seem any closer to happening either. If integration produces a USE, or something close to it, then Britain's path seems to me to be quite divergent from Europe's.