How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
This is almost like Hillary 2016 all over again. Horrible campaign, horrible targeting.
Something extraordionary going on here. The Brexit election which did not even dare speak its name, where everyone mocked the LD's for making it a central plank - and now a swing to Labour seems to be exactly mapped on to the remain areas, largely, apparently by young voters who didn't turn out for the referendum.
Brexit, Act II - The young.
Firstly, we don't know the extent of the turnout of the younger voters. Is it up? If so, by how much? Secondly, we don't know exactly what factors motivated them to vote.
Some people are assuming that Brexit was the main factor. We may find out after the election that the abolition of student fees was more important.
We simply do not know yet. People are projecting their own feelings on to this.
Just like people projected their interpretation onto the EU referendum. The result is the result; the consequences are the consequences. Brexit is dead in the water.
Your obsession with getting Brexit "cancelled" is most disturbing.
Seeing your monomania about this at long distance, and me powerless to come to your aid makes me frustrated at the anonymity of the internet.
Mortimer, CarlottaVance, Alanbrooke, Alanbrooke, can you hear me?
Your girl took one hell of a beating.
*If* it ends up as the exit poll says, I shall replay my conversation with Alanbrooke from the other day over and over.
The thing none of the talking heads are saying on TV - and surprisingly few people are saying here - is it was the dementia tax. It was all the dementia tax. Don't mess with people's homes. The Tories stomped home at the locals last month. The narrative changed with the dementia tax.
Can anyone think of an appropriate punishment for Nick Timothy? I'm struggling right now.
It really wasn't.
Not a single person mentioned it to me in 3 seats...
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
And to think Crosby was worshipped on this site.
He's actually got a bit of a mixed bag in UK elections. Really screwed up the Mayoral campaign and destroyed Zac's USP only last year.
Just so you know. a friend of mine is doing the local radio coverage of the count in Erewash. They've just finished verification and he'll text me when he knows any info,
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
Messina did say there were a lot of undecided voters, what is happening is 3 elections, a swing to Labour in the Remain South and a swing to the Tories in the Leave North and Scotland
One worry I have is that people are quite set in their ways, more so than I can remember before, I'm not sure that the next vote will deliver anywhere near a coalition.
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
Mortimer, CarlottaVance, Alanbrooke, Alanbrooke, can you hear me?
Your girl took one hell of a beating.
*If* it ends up as the exit poll says, I shall replay my conversation with Alanbrooke from the other day over and over.
The thing none of the talking heads are saying on TV - and surprisingly few people are saying here - is it was the dementia tax. It was all the dementia tax. Don't mess with people's homes. The Tories stomped home at the locals last month. The narrative changed with the dementia tax.
Can anyone think of an appropriate punishment for Nick Timothy? I'm struggling right now.
It really wasn't.
Not a single person mentioned it to me in 3 seats...
If this election result is due to a surge in young voters, dementia tax is unlikely to be the cause.
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
And the anti-Corbyn Blairites? Just teasing
We have clearly been stuffed. If the next Labour leader does not have Corbyn's baggage we could have a very left wing government in five years time.
Jesus christ. We'v got an utterly hung parliament, no majority bar a grand coalition.
Quite possibly very well-hung. Only some kind of very precisely, over hasty agreed Brexit position could produce unity for anyone wanting to form a government, possibly.
Wonder what Her Maj thinks. Another election down of the several million starting with Churchill, and this time two people could be coming to her to form a government.
The amazing, glorious silver lining is that the SNP look to be struggling. That alone makes up for any chaos in the rest of GB.
It doesn't make up for it, sadly. If it was enough to push them over the edge to a majority, maybe, but hung parliament when no one will want to be a in a coalition is a bad outcome.
So Cameron plunges us into crisis with Brexit....and then he is swiftly followed by May who puts us into NOM....well done TORIES
Europe is really the Tories own worst enemy in themselves.
The whole fucking point of Cameron holding an early, rushed Referndum was to give the Tories time to heal before the next election.
Bravo May, bravo.
This is all Brexit, May and Cameron are just the political gossip stories, this is the Remain voting South swinging to Labour to get soft Brexit, the Leave voting North swinging to the Tories to get hard Brexit and the Scots swinging to the Tories, Labour and LDs and away from the SNP to stop indyref2
How the fuck could the Tories have fucked this up so badly? If early signs are true, it's not just May who got it wrong it's the entire back office operation. The end of Crosby and Messina surely.
And the anti-Corbyn Blairites? Just teasing
We have clearly been stuffed. If the next Labour leader does not have Corbyn's baggage we could have a very left wing government in five years time.
You think Cons will still form this government? Casino_Royale is having a breakdown thinking it will Corbyn!
I find it hard to believe that he could have misjudged it so badly, after getting it so right just 25 months ago.
He did screw up the London Mayoral too. I think that ultra-negative campaigns without bothering to push a positive agenda are proving counter-productive - and that is really, really good for British politics.
I expect Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister in the morning.
What a mess.
Sorry mate, you're reaping what you sowed on June 23rd
Fuck off.
I think TSE's correct. As I said in the previous thread, the youngsters *may* be reacting to the oldies fucking them over Brexit. At least from their perspective.
I fear May's gone to grab the UKIP vote, and lost the centre ground. As I've been saying for yonks.
@jimwaterson: Boris Johnson is "already on manoeuvres" claims Tory MP, who says the foreign secretary is "sounding out" a few colleagues about leadership.
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Yes, I'm a hillwalker who moved from a hilly area to a county where you need an oxygen mask to scale to a molehill.
I'm at Dane Rd, Sale
Seeing your monomania about this at long distance, and me powerless to come to your aid makes me frustrated at the anonymity of the internet.
Not a single person mentioned it to me in 3 seats...
Con +6
Lab +6.4
Con majority 10.3
60/32
I expect Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister in the morning.
What a mess.
Bravo May, bravo.
Too much self doubt.
YouGov picked it up though.
Wonder what Her Maj thinks. Another election down of the several million starting with Churchill, and this time two people could be coming to her to form a government.
Would all those who were sceptical of the YouGov model please raise their hands...
I'm going to make a few hundred quid on the night.
Bad news
I expect to lose a hell of a lot more when the stock markets open.
Britain will have political turmoil.
Expect a recession.
If...those can keep their heads.....
I fear May's gone to grab the UKIP vote, and lost the centre ground. As I've been saying for yonks.
Not clever. Not clever at all.
I have a feeling that southern marginals currently held by Tories, few as they are, won't go Corbo.
Yougov regretting bottling their +3/+4 :-)
Maybe Crosby's ultra-micro-targetting in the marginals has worked.
When I wrote my thing about that , I didn't know that YouGov already did as I suggested
June 23rd is forever.
I cannot see why NOM has shortened.