No we won't - that wasn't within the gift of the Tories.
Huh? Don't know what you mean there.
It means a hard brexit is determined by what the EU wants, not what the UK government wants - we might go for a softer version now, but we're told they won't play ball.
All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?
EEA/EFTA.
Which still requires us to complete a formal exit from the Article 50 negotiations with all the humiliating concessions that would require. There's no way a hung parliament would be able to see it through. Brexit is a write off now.
All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?
EEA/EFTA.
Plus leaving free movement unchecked + 100 billion euros to EU to stay in single market, Hammond could do it with LD backing but Farage would not believe his luck and would swiftly take back the leadership from Nuttall
While a few of you are talking about pollsters potentially going out of business, they'll be recommissioned for the next election, their 4th major polling event in 2.2 years, this is great news for them.
I feel like remainers did last year......catastrophe and national humiliation. fuck
Listen to this because it's important. An exit poll is not perfect and there is wriggle room. It might result in less seats for Con, Labour most seats, or a Con maj. We don't know yet. So dinna fash yersel just yet.
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
I feel like remainers did last year......catastrophe and national humiliation. fuck
Listen to this because it's important. An exit poll is not perfect and there is wriggle room. It might result in less seats for Con, Labour most seats, or a Con maj. We don't know yet. So dinna fash yersel just yet.
That's scaring me more it could still be pm corbyn!!!
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 17 min17 minuti fa Altro Welsh Labour source: 'The political weather remains extremely difficult, and retaining all our Westminster seats remains a challenge.'
Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 10 min10 minuti fa Altro Though the Labour source notes the exit poll figures are just a projection and says ‘there’s a long night ahead.‘
Robert HuttonVerified account @RobDotHutton 2m2 minutes ago
Might the exit poll be wrong? Absolutely, and one way in which it might be is postal ballots.
I thought they polled postal voters?
The exit poll doesn't, and can't, the way it is constructed. But I think they would assume that, say, old people who vote in person would change their votes in the same way as old people who vote by postal vote.
We will see. That is the big question. When's the first seat with lots of old voters?
This is a complete disaster. Personally expect my pension fund to collapse costing me huge amounts. Christ knows what will happen if the bearded communist becomes PM
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
Corbyn was better than May.
Presentationally, yes he was. That was not my issue with him.
All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?
EEA/EFTA.
Which still requires us to complete a formal exit from the Article 50 negotiations with all the humiliating concessions that would require. There's no way a hung parliament would be able to see it through. Brexit is a write off now.
Who cares about humiliation; we need a good deal. I can live with EEA/EFTA.
If (big if) Lab voters voted to stop Brexit then they might well have succeeded.
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
Corbyn was better than May.
Presentationally, yes he was. That was not my issue with him.
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
It was WFA and social care.
You mess with an Englishman's "castle" and you pay the price...
If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?
All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?
EEA/EFTA.
Which still requires us to complete a formal exit from the Article 50 negotiations with all the humiliating concessions that would require. There's no way a hung parliament would be able to see it through. Brexit is a write off now.
The Tories are still the largest party and their voters strongly voted for Brexit, so no way the Tory Party could reverse Brexit and survive, we would end up with a Canada situation and UKIP perhaps even overtaking them, single market may be possible but even then hard Brexiteers would be unhappy
Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 17 min17 minuti fa Altro Welsh Labour source: 'The political weather remains extremely difficult, and retaining all our Westminster seats remains a challenge.'
Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 10 min10 minuti fa Altro Though the Labour source notes the exit poll figures are just a projection and says ‘there’s a long night ahead.‘
Hmm. The complete collapse of UNS means that this poll could potentially still be bollocks. Unlikely though.
Truly truly shocked. Young must have shown up, which is good, and the elderly either not shown up or not sticking to the Tories as much as before, and the middle demographics liking Corbyn's campaign and message.
Corbyn was better than May.
Presentationally, yes he was. That was not my issue with him.
L Kuenssberg saying both Tories and Labour on ground texting her they don't believe exit poll, presumably they are already seeing votes being counted but we shall see
Changes the narrative to what sort of Brexit we want. So long as we're looking at no progressive alliance (please god no) maybe everyone can come together and try and step back from the extreme.
They should dump May though. Proven to be useless.
The Lab/Con minority government bets might still be decent value given the marked reluctance of anyone to consider coalition ? Bouncing around, but currently something like 30 and 3 respectively on Betfair.
Hating having to agree with McMao on the BBC, but otoh, I've always despised Fallon.
No we won't - that wasn't within the gift of the Tories.
Huh? Don't know what you mean there.
It means a hard brexit is determined by what the EU wants, not what the UK government wants - we might go for a softer version now, but we're told they won't play ball.
I think that's absolute bullshit, to be honest. The fact is that the EU would be overjoyed if we paid €10bn a year, received no EU spending, and had only limited say in EU laws.
But.
I can't repeat this enough. Brexit is a journey. A three to five year EEA stopgap works for us, and works for the EU.
What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.
It really is. No stable government at all and Brexit to negotiate. Total disaster.
The right opened a can of worms with Brexit. They have lost control of the narrative.
Once people believed in one fairy story they were happy to believe in more, fucking hell. If this is the long term thank fuck I am already planning to emigrate.
What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.
It really is. No stable government at all and Brexit to negotiate. Total disaster.
Of all the dumb things this government has done over Brexit, the most most profoundly stupid was to call the election AFTER triggering Article 50.
It was peculiar - so many of us were so certain that meant no early election would happen. The Tories didn't seem prepared, it really seems like they saw the big poll leads and just went for it. The fools.
Too close to the 2016 vote - the young were not going to make the mistake of not turning up this time.
Losers if the poll is confirmed: Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Facebook video creators. How sad!
The rumour that Rudd is in trouble in Hastings fits with the reports that Labour was doing well in SE and SW.
I would love to see Rudd toppled in Hastings. She is an absolutely horrid woman. I hope Nicholas Wilson gets a good vote on his anti-corruption message. Still think she'll hold though!
Problem with calling a Brexit election was that Brexit is happening. So what is there to talk about? Everything except Brexit. That seemed to blindside CCHQ.
Then Dementia Tax. Fucking madness. Just hubris - we can talk about the big, unpopular stuff because we are both Govt. and Opposition.
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I hope.
No Tory smiles after this result.
Con 316 (actual 330)
Lab 239 (actual 232)
SNP 58 (actual 56)
LD 10 (actual 8)
PC 4 (actual 3)
Green 2 (actual 1)
UKIP 2 (actual 1)
2017 exit poll:
Con 314
Lab 266
SNP 34
LD 14
PC 3
Green 1
UKIP 0
So Tory almost certainly losing seats in England due to gains in Scotland. And overall majority maybe 50/50????
I don't know what to feel about this result, but hopefully whoever governs will not be allowed to go to extremes - that can only be a good thing.
Also, I voted LD and their seat total went up, so feeling a bit smug about that:)
Another election in three months.
for a few days at least.
Presume she has to go without an increased majority
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Welsh Labour source: 'The political weather remains extremely difficult, and retaining all our Westminster seats remains a challenge.'
Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 10 min10 minuti fa
Altro
Though the Labour source notes the exit poll figures are just a projection and says ‘there’s a long night ahead.‘
We will see. That is the big question. When's the first seat with lots of old voters?
Christ knows what will happen if the bearded communist becomes PM
If (big if) Lab voters voted to stop Brexit then they might well have succeeded.
You mess with an Englishman's "castle" and you pay the price...
How many polling firms might be wondering if their reputations are damaged?
Losing several seats by 10%
And including lots of Scotland seats.
Maybe we'll get Dimbers again for the 2017 re-run though!
Changes the narrative to what sort of Brexit we want. So long as we're looking at no progressive alliance (please god no) maybe everyone can come together and try and step back from the extreme.
They should dump May though. Proven to be useless.
Nuneaton, Swindon N and Wrexham will give you the first real guide
Bouncing around, but currently something like 30 and 3 respectively on Betfair.
Hating having to agree with McMao on the BBC, but otoh, I've always despised Fallon.
But.
I can't repeat this enough. Brexit is a journey. A three to five year EEA stopgap works for us, and works for the EU.
Also predicted a couple of weeks ago the same-sized majority in 2017 as in 2015. Could still be on for that.
As if Hard Brexit wasn't going to be a disaster.
It will probably *not* be a disaster.
Needs big personality - Boris most likely for me.
Too close to the 2016 vote - the young were not going to make the mistake of not turning up this time.
Then Dementia Tax. Fucking madness. Just hubris - we can talk about the big, unpopular stuff because we are both Govt. and Opposition.