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All except those for genuinely in need through no fault of their own. So:
- no child benefit (why should the state subsidise people's children)
- no tax credits (which are handouts, why should the state subsidise people's children)
That's a good start - we could reduce IT to 10% flat rate then!0 -
The losers always moan about the audience I bet. It is loving Corbyn and Caroline, but the Tories would be better off not attacking the audience - for one I bet Corbyn will be seen as the 'winner' of any post debate poll, so they need to focus on content of Rudd's comments, not arguing how badly it was received by the audience on the night.Schards said:I think the make up of the audience will be one of the main stories of this debate
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Amber Rudd has just attacked the audience: "Jeremy Corbyn, supported perhaps by the people here...trying to create confusion". Well nobody made you come, dear.0
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Sit in garden or watch shit debate.
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Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).
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Loved Corbyn's Paxo impression just then! Very pleasantly surprised by Tim Farron's performance also.0
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Get to the point Tim0
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Farron you * the Brexit debate is over now!0
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Rudd is getting brutalised.0
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The audience was supposed to be balanced.YBarddCwsc said:
Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).0 -
Poor Tim.0
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Bang in the middle of the city, actually. I was handed my degree in that room.YBarddCwsc said:
Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).0 -
But supposedly the audience is 50/50 Remain/Leave...YBarddCwsc said:
Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).
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Oh God Jezza, keep your mouth shut on foreign aid.0
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I understand why we talk about spending on defence and foreign aid in terms of % of gdp. I'm not sure why we should do the same with health spending.0
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Right, so now on to the Dementia Tax - tough test ahead. This audience started groaning as soon as she started, and no one is letting her answer.
Rudd stumbling with prepared response as she thought her response out.
Corbyn looking a bit silly to me yelling about the triple lock -that's one thing the Tories are admitting, so he didn't need to interject, he could have just waited and made that point - I think it was intentional, to ensure she couldn't answer on social care.
First difficulty for Rudd, social care is a decent policy (if tweaked) as far as I'm concerned, but it is complicated, not clear, it will hurt people's finances, and I am frankly surprised this audience didn't react much more strongly.
Oh, Tim, you're back. Storytime is it?0 -
Cor, Tim is related to someone who was ill once. Killer point.0
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@steve_hawkes: I think YouGov based its poll on the BBC audience0
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The debate is a slanging match which is pathetic and the BBC need to be investigated into the left biase of the audience0
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Haha I was shouting the exact same thing at my TV right thenDanny565 said:Oh God Jezza, keep your mouth shut on foreign aid.
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Indeed. Poor performer so sends a stunt double.bobajobPB said:where is Theresa May?
Been avoiding PB as have too much other stuff to do. But for the first time in my voting life, I am going to vote LAB.
Theresa is utterly dreadful. Way out of her depth. She stands for virtually everything I disagree with. The Tories are completely failing to recognise the consequences of growing inequality. Dyedwoolie nailed it earlier: People need better wages and better services. Not tax cuts and threshold fiddling.
I've voted LD at every election since 87 except 92 when I voted SNP. I almost certainly would again if I was in a constituency where they stood a chance but they don't in Ludlow this year, Philip Dunne will win it for the Tories easily. But I welcome the boldness of Labour's manifesto and want to support the principles if not the detail, so it gets my vote. They won't get a chance to implement it as I still think the Tories will get a 70 seat majority. Good, because I want them to own Brexit. And get destroyed over the next 5 years. You deserve it guys
One other thing though, could the election this replicates be 1945. When the Tories won the (Brexit) war but the people then voted for another party to implement the peace.... Would be a funny old world.0 -
Squeaky bum time for Jezza --- national security.0
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I laid Tory Maj at 1.21 (for a loss having backed it last night at 1.2) before this as surely the crowd whooping everything Jazzy Jez and crew would mean it will drift during thiskle4 said:
The losers always moan about the audience I bet. It is loving Corbyn and Caroline, but the Tories would be better off not attacking the audience - for one I bet Corbyn will be seen as the 'winner' of any post debate poll, so they need to focus on content of Rudd's comments, not arguing how badly it was received by the audience on the night.Schards said:I think the make up of the audience will be one of the main stories of this debate
Notice the way Nuttall doesnt interrupt others but keeps getting shouted down when it his turn. The weirdos prob wont shake his hand after either0 -
Tim is coming across as a proper tw@. Caroline is shouty, Nuttall sounds vaguely credible and Rudd seems petty. On the other hand I'm liking the sound of Corbyn as he's the only one making a positive case. Just how unrealistic are his economic policies?0
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Amber Rudd's appeal to "judge us on our record"
Hopefully they will
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Who did the balancing ? Who owns the scales and weights ?RobD said:
The audience was supposed to be balanced.YBarddCwsc said:
Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).
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The number of times he mentions it he should be investigated for Munchausen by proxy.Ishmael_Z said:Cor, Tim is related to someone who was ill once. Killer point.
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He reads pb, I made that point a couple of feet downthread.Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: I think YouGov based its poll on the BBC audience
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If Parliament had serious time limits on speeches in the Commons, these people would be better at being succinct.0
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They aren't applauding everything he says, but if this is a balanced audience, then the leavers and or Tories are sitting on their hands while the lefties are whooping at Corbyn on several things, and laughing/groaning at Rudd. Caroline and Robertson getting some level of love, Farron less so but some warmth too.The_Apocalypse said:The audience sounds like a Corbyn cult, from what's being said on here.
Nuttal did get some applause on immigration, but I don't know that Rudd has received any.0 -
I'm leaning Lab as well, May is scarily authoritarian and cold whereas atlas Corbyn is trying to put forward a positive case for the future.Monksfield said:
Indeed. Poor performer so sends a stunt double.bobajobPB said:where is Theresa May?
Been avoiding PB as have too much other stuff to do. But for the first time in my voting life, I am going to vote LAB.
Theresa is utterly dreadful. Way out of her depth. She stands for virtually everything I disagree with. The Tories are completely failing to recognise the consequences of growing inequality. Dyedwoolie nailed it earlier: People need better wages and better services. Not tax cuts and threshold fiddling.
I've voted LD at every election since 87 except 92 when I voted SNP. I almost certainly would again if I was in a constituency where they stood a chance but they don't in Ludlow this year, Philip Dunne will win it for the Tories easily. But I welcome the boldness of Labour's manifesto and want to support the principles if not the detail, so it gets my vote. They won't get a chance to implement it as I still think the Tories will get a 70 seat majority. Good, because I want them to own Brexit. And get destroyed over the next 5 years. You deserve it guys
One other thing though, could the election this replicates be 1945. When the Tories won the (Brexit) war but the people then voted for another party to implement the peace.... Would be a funny old world.0 -
Prediction - this audience will grown if Rudd mentions Corbyn and the IRA.0
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Going full-on populist on the economy/tuitionfees/public services, but restraining his usual instincts on immigration and foreign aid, is just the ticket to win over working-class Northern voters.handandmouse said:
Haha I was shouting the exact same thing at my TV right thenDanny565 said:Oh God Jezza, keep your mouth shut on foreign aid.
Let's see how he handles security though...0 -
A mistake by Corbyn and Robertson both yelling over Amber Rudd the first time she was facing a difficult question. TV audience will never know if she could answer it0
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I thought the Labour party didn't support reduced immigration? Why therefore are you attacking the fact that it hasn't reduced sufficiently?bigjohnowls said:Amber Rudd's appeal to "judge us on our record"
Hopefully they will
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I've not been fully concentrating on this election but watching the debate Jeremy is something of a revelation.
He really isn't bad at all and I can finally see what the students have been getting excited about. The clear division between the progressives-particularly Corbyn Farron and Lucas- versus Rudd and Nuttall is striking.
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I was a wrangler in that room.IanB2 said:
Bang in the middle of the city, actually. I was handed my degree in that room.YBarddCwsc said:
Cambridge was 75 per cent Remain.LucyJones said:
Quite possibly. But no way are 52% of the audience erstwhile Leavers.foxinsoxuk said:
Maybe YouGov is right, the Tories are not as popular as they think...LucyJones said:Finding it increasingly hard to believe the audience is actually representative of the voting public in terms of party support/leavers versus remainers.
This is in the heart of the University part of town, which was probably 90 per cent Remain (it is the Labour voting wards in the East of Cambridge that were for Leave).0 -
I thought the audience was supposed to keep quiet at these events. I seem to remember Julie etch a sketch telling the audience to be quiet during a debate in 2015.0
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Robertson has a somewhat Trumpian hue this evening0
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What % of wealth do they have AveItmurali_s said:
What benefits you thinking of slashing Mr Ave It?Ave_it said:
Er BJO think they pay enough already! Top 1% pay 27% of income tax!! Let's slash benefits (should have put it in the manifesto)!!!bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
What % of NI VAT do they pay
They pay less than their cleaners and brag about it dont they.0 -
Very. That's why he can be so positive.Chameleon said:Tim is coming across as a proper tw@. Caroline is shouty, Nuttall sounds vaguely credible and Rudd seems petty. On the other hand I'm liking the sound of Corbyn as he's the only one making a positive case. Just how unrealistic are his economic policies?
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What will you say when the TV audience agrees?Big_G_NorthWales said:The debate is a slanging match which is pathetic and the BBC need to be investigated into the left biase of the audience
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The number of times he mentions it he should be investigated for Munchausen by proxy.Ishmael_Z said:Cor, Tim is related to someone who was ill once. Killer point.
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Christ, that was painful for Corbyn.0
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Yeah, the moderator should be telling them to shut up, or keep it to modest clapping at the end of each section.tlg86 said:I thought the audience was supposed to keep quiet at these events. I seem to remember Julie etch a sketch telling the audience to be quiet during a debate in 2015.
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Yup, Corbyn is coming across really well. Apart from this last minute or so which is very ramble-y.Roger said:I've not been fully concentrating on this election but watching the debate Jeremy is something of a revelation.
He really isn't bad at all and I can finally see what the students have been getting excited about. The clear division between the progressives-particularly Corbyn Farron and Lucas- versus Rudd and Nuttall is striking.0 -
Anyone going to get personal on security?0
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@JGForsyth: Corbyn stumbling on this question, his weakest moment of the debate so far0
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She struggled on social care, up to then handled it well.chloe said:0 -
Tim is actually doing quite well but the format is terrible and no wonder may didnt come0
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Well, I suppose that I can always take the free tuition, then emigrate if it all really goes to pot.kle4 said:
Very. That's why he can be so positive.Chameleon said:Tim is coming across as a proper tw@. Caroline is shouty, Nuttall sounds vaguely credible and Rudd seems petty. On the other hand I'm liking the sound of Corbyn as he's the only one making a positive case. Just how unrealistic are his economic policies?
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Labour will stop cutting police/fire/ambulance services at home, and adopt an ethical foreign policy for a safer Britain & world
Rudd wants to cut further.0 -
Rudd promising to keep us safe and secure? Hmm 0
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She is scared of the public. No way is she going to fight another election.calum said:0 -
Here we go0
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Jez nearly threw up there when he had to criticize the Manchester bomber and not blame the Tories0
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All paid for by who? You?bigjohnowls said:Labour will stop cutting police/fire/ambulance services at home, and adopt an ethical foreign policy for a safer Britain & world
Rudd wants to cut further.0 -
Stop calling it "anti-terror legislation" Jezza!!!!!!0
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The civil liberty argument will always play well in cambridge0
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Has Amber accused anyone of being a sex pest yet? 0
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Has a fight broken out?IanB2 said:Here we go
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Oh shut up Tim, no one thinks that you're actually relevant anymore.0
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The audience does not seem very balanced.0
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This audience is absolutely ridiculous.0
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Labour are promising to increase practically everything (except reversing youth service cuts, for some reason - only that they will stop the cuts) - its 'positive' but unaffordable.bigjohnowls said:Labour will stop cutting police/fire/ambulance services at home, and adopt an ethical foreign policy for a safer Britain & world
Rudd wants to cut further.
Corbyn well prepared here.0 -
Corbyn brilliant retort to Rudds lie on voting against extra security powers
May and Davis did too0 -
Not on every single piece of legislation though.bigjohnowls said:Corbyn brilliant retort to Rudds lie on voting against extra security powers
May and Davis did too0 -
She will probably just abolish elections so she doesn't have to,foxinsoxuk said:
She is scared of the public. No way is she going to fight another election.calum said:0 -
And yet no one will complain, so it will keep happening.numbertwelve said:This audience is absolutely ridiculous.
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Corbyn escaped by telling Rudd that Mrs May voted against some of the anti terror legislation. Rudd seems to have remembered this time that not mentioning Mrs May is point one inked on her palm.SandyRentool said:
Has a fight broken out?IanB2 said:Here we go
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I have a lot more wealth than my 20yr old self. I and my wife have earned every penny of it and paid every penny in tax, and are "comfortable". I don't see why my 20yr old self would now want to take chunks of it off me punitively just because I have comparative wealth compared to 30 years ago.bigjohnowls said:
What % of wealth do they have AveItmurali_s said:
What benefits you thinking of slashing Mr Ave It?Ave_it said:
Er BJO think they pay enough already! Top 1% pay 27% of income tax!! Let's slash benefits (should have put it in the manifesto)!!!bigjohnowls said:There's no "money tree", Amber Rudd, but there's a hell of a lot of wealth concentrated at the very top and it's time to tax it!
What % of NI VAT do they pay
They pay less than their cleaners and brag about it dont they.0 -
Rudd not landing blows on Corbyn here, on what is supposed to be his weak point.0
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Could Labour win the election ?0
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He did look like he'd forgotten where he was two or three times. Not his best moment...isam said:Jez nearly threw up there when he had to criticize the Manchester bomber and not blame the Tories
I was quite impressed by that given, afaik, Rudd was using a new attack line on the topic.bigjohnowls said:Corbyn brilliant retort to Rudds lie on voting against extra security powers
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Corbyn is representing Sinn Fein.welshowl said:
Serious question why no N Ireland parties? 95% of you can't vote Plaid.GIN1138 said:
Leanne's there?foxinsoxuk said:0 -
Paul Nuttall going for the Trump supporters' vote here0
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No, but the Conservatives could lose it.surbiton said:Could Labour win the election ?
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They should have held this debate in Blyth Valley.0
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Indeed - a classic Corbyn move, pretend that because sometimes it is the right thing, that doing it always is a reflective stance, rather than default.RobD said:
Not on every single piece of legislation though.bigjohnowls said:Corbyn brilliant retort to Rudds lie on voting against extra security powers
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Tims says Manchester is his capital City not London0
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Ah, there are some right wingers in there.0
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Davis was dire in that interview.foxinsoxuk said:
She is scared of the public. No way is she going to fight another election.calum said:0 -
Good round of applause from the lefty audience for Nuttall's suggestion of stripping jihadis of passports.0
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Question:
With the audience balance and the format are you starting to think May avoiding this was still a bad idea or a good one?0
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