There is a chance that Wills is right and she has missed an insulin shot, it which case she deserves a good deal of sympathy. But, dunno.
My ex tter any Brussels sprouts.
By contrast Jezza is in rude health, and clearly loving it. He plays football on Cup Final morning then rocks up to Wembley to cheer with the fans. He even dresses better these days.
Is it May = Hillary, Jezza = Trump???? Surely. Not.
I wonder how many of the PB lefties would vote Labour if they thought Corbyn's Labour could actually win.
Would you? Hand on heart, if you thought this election was on a knife-edge, would you risk a Corbyn government, with McDonnell and Abbott at his side?
That has to be the Tories' last, best hope. In the end, Corbyn and Co are too scary and mad, no matter how affable Jezbollah seems. And I reckon it will be enough. But......
Labou nothing. Instead for some bizarre reason they raise toxic issues like Fox Hunting.
Oh, I agr the knowledge Corbyn is nowhere near power.
But if they REALLY thought Corbyn was about to win, with all that means, would they vote for him? Would you?
The best we can hope for is to deprive May of an overall majority. The idea of Labour most seats is nonsensical.
Indulge me. Imagine we get a couple of polls next Monday showing Labour with a LEAD.
What would you do?
I will be voting for Hilary Benn in Leeds Central, whatever the polls say.
This crowd is going to love attacks on the Tories, that much is clear. Not sure how the optics of that affect anything, but there will be a lot more applause reactions against Rudd than for.
Hahaha - Theresa May might be outside my window! Good one Tim; someone's going for broke.
Good idea but it sounded crass IMO.
My 'good one' was ironic - I thought it sounded desperate and ridiculous. But then as a soon to be member of the PB Tories at least on June 8th, I would say that.
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Not quite! .... I bought the Tories at 369 seats this morning to close my spread bet.
There may yet be a good case for buying Tories' Seats, should last night's YouGov prove to be an outlier which a number on here are convinced it was. Certainly, on a risk : reward basis I could see very little basis for not cashing in my Tory Sell chips this morning. IMHO they are as likely to finish up winning 390 seats as slipping further to 350, more so in fact.
Hahaha - Theresa May might be outside my window! Good one Tim; someone's going for broke.
Good idea but it sounded crass IMO.
My 'good one' was ironic - I thought it sounded desperate and ridiculous. But then as a soon to be member of the PB Tories at least on June 8th, I would say that.
You a PB Tory now?
He's joined the dark side
Indeed he has. I feel sorry for him...
It was the story of Darth Crosby the Wise that turned him...
@alex. But where are people getting the idea that Corbyn could win to even have that thought? Polls aren't showing that. Anecdotal canvassing reports on here aren't either.
What is a 'win' for Corbyn? I doubt he personally wants to get the keys to No. 10; a win for him would be to do well enough to prove to his doubters within Labour that his way is the way forward.
I reckon he'll be happy if he gets a larger percentage vote share than Miliband got. With that, he'll be able to continue changing his party ready for someone else to take over.
Edit: if he was to get to No. 10 (and he won't), I predict he'll soon hand over to someone else.
win = largest party at the very least and is able to govern.
A win for him is about being able to stay in control of his party. If that somehow meant being PM I'm sure he's be thrilled, but short of that, enough to hold off a rebellion would do. I think he's achieved that at the least - the moderates won't challenge a man who does better than Ed M (which is likely) when they thought he's crash and burn.
I was thinking of what a win in election terms literally meant - that is what everyone is panicking over, is it not?
Corbyn's aim, of course, is as you say controlling Labour. If they continue down that route, well I'm going to have trouble choosing who I vote for at future GEs.
@IanB2 The Unions fund, and thus control Labour. They are the key.
What's the betting she has spent years looking at Cameron and thinking 'I could do that job'.
Now, she is realising its takes something very special to survive the pressure.
Yeah, Cameron was so good under pressure he quit within hours of the vote last June.......
It wasn't pressure, it was honour.
You lose a nation changing referendum, you have to go, your credibility is shot.
I still get confused on this. If Cameron had so much honour, why did he say he wouldn't resign if he lost? I genuinely wonder how many would have weighed up his departure before voting Leave if he had said "if I lose the Referendum, I will immediately resign...."
I discussed this with one of his staff.
As per the Indyref, if he had said 'I'll quit if I lose the referendum' some non Tory voters would have voted Leave just to get rid of the Tory PM.
In 2015 the Tories polled 37% or so, Non Tories polled 63%.
Well that just shows the terrible judgement Cameron had if he had 37% for him and 63% against him. Surely Osborne, the arch strategist he is reputed to be would have advised him it was a silly thing to pledge that vote.
It is well known Osborne advised against holding the EURef.
But, Osborne offered Tories nothing more than Blairism with lower taxes.
Just what exactly was "Conservative" about him, other than that?
Why is that not enough?
On the EU, immigration, the family, and social conservatism, Osborne would have offered nothing, and would have been driven by the pet fads of metropolitan London.
He would have been purely politically tactical on everything else.
Tim Farron's approach is clearly a risk, but I for one find his punchy approach pretty refreshing - particularly given the slightly dull format.
That joke was plain cringeworthy though.
If he can get people to remember him, job done I guess.
Indeed. I found it pretty funny, half my Twitter feed agrees and half disagrees. But being marmite at least means people are forming an opinion on him (and some positive).
Hahaha - Theresa May might be outside my window! Good one Tim; someone's going for broke.
Good idea but it sounded crass IMO.
My 'good one' was ironic - I thought it sounded desperate and ridiculous. But then as a soon to be member of the PB Tories at least on June 8th, I would say that.
You a PB Tory now?
He's joined the dark side
Indeed he has. I feel sorry for him...
I was either voting Tory or LD anyway. I'd have stayed LD, that way I could avoid any blame for any crapness that follows, but it is what it is. I will pay no ongoing dues to the PB Tory brigade.
You really believe self-proclaimed Marxist John McDonnell will only target 'the rich and the powerful'? That Garden tax seriously indicates otherwise. My family and I would like to continue to be able to live in our home, thank you very much. We certainly not 'rich and powerful.'
Yes if there's a big lie from Labour it is that "the rich" will pay for all their spending plans.
No way will Labour be able to raise enough money with their plans, and that assumes that "the rich" and big business don't change behaviour, and then there's the impact on the economy of a far-left government messing up the finances, going around nationalising things, and re-arming the trade unions to consider. "The rich" are the only people who will be able to escape Labour's clutches, it will be everybody else who ends up paying.
And Amber Rudd far from imploding. Risky situation for Corbyn, the debate was never likely to be a game changer but Labour need it not to level the ship for the Tories.
You really believe self-proclaimed Marxist John McDonnell will only target 'the rich and the powerful'? That Garden tax seriously indicates otherwise. My family and I would like to continue to be able to live in our home, thank you very much. We certainly not 'rich and powerful.'
Yes if there's a big lie from Labour it is that "the rich" will pay for all their spending plans.
No way will Labour be able to raise enough money with their plans, and that assumes that "the rich" and big business don't change behaviour, and then there's the impact on the economy of a far-left government messing up the finances, going around nationalising things, and re-arming the trade unions to consider. "The rich" are the only people who will be able to escape Labour's clutches, it will be everybody else who ends up paying.
It will be the squeezed middle again that always get hit hardest.
Minor parties barely getting a word in. Is Nuttall there? Is Corbyn?
Amber Rudd basically getting twice as much airtime as everyone else.
A benefit? Hard to say. Can look prime ministerial (oops), but the minor parties and Labour can leap in with angry, catchy attack lines, to rapturous applause.
Corbyn's loving this (as is the crowd).
I'll say this - Corbyn has had brain farts at times, but he's got his main lines down pat.
@iainjwatson: & Angus Robertson calls for a top UK tax rate of 50p -snp froze higher threshold but didn't use new powers to increase 45p rate on Scotland
You turnip Scott, tax must be done UK wide whilst we are still prisoners.
Rudd is outnumbered here, with a typically cambridge audience - all she can do is play the firm headed adult, and hope that plays well to those at home.
Corbyn is winning hands down. Beautiful to see. Corbyn: Labour are the future; Fallon: look at the Tories' crap record. Rudd? "Magic money tree" indeed. That plays well to the Tory party membership, doubtless.
Nuttal is probably right that people do want immigration reduced. But the interjector (I think Caroline) technically right that was not on the ballot paper.
@iainjwatson: & Angus Robertson calls for a top UK tax rate of 50p -snp froze higher threshold but didn't use new powers to increase 45p rate on Scotland
You turnip Scott, tax must be done UK wide whilst we are still prisoners.
Malcolm - tax needs to be higher in Scotland only as they get bigger subsidies from London
Too associated with Remain. Had to be May, really, or someone like her, who, despite coming out for Reamin, wasn't overly associated with one side or other.
Corbyn is winning hands down. Beautiful to see. Corbyn: Labour are the future; Fallon: look at the Tories' crap record. Rudd? "Magic money tree" indeed. That plays well to the Tory party membership, doubtless.
They are both appealing to different audiences - appealing to Tory supporters and UKIp supporters, and those who think Corbyn is not suited, gets the Tories a win. Attacking the Tories and drowning out anyone else trying to attack the Tories, gets Corbyn safe in the leadership and saves dozens of MPs.
How do you think MI5 will work to reduce Corbyn's success here?
When I suggested, about 18 months ago, that Amber Rudd might be the next Conservative leader, my suggestion was treated with derision by the usual suspects, and the bookies didn't even have her listed (despite the fact that she was already a Cabinet minister). In the event, the change of leadership came too early for her, but next time is quite possible. It's interesting that Theresa May has given her such a prominent place in her government and this campaign.
But, Osborne offered Tories nothing more than Blairism with lower taxes.
Just what exactly was "Conservative" about him, other than that?
Why is that not enough?
On the EU, immigration, the family, and social conservatism, Osborne would have offered nothing, and would have been driven by the pet fads of metropolitan London.
He would have been purely politically tactical on everything else.
I fail to see the problem with that. I'm a Conservative because I believe in lower taxes, because I want to work to provide for my own family - not because I want the state to run my family.
When I suggested, about 18 months ago, that Amber Rudd might be the next Conservative leader, my suggestion was treated with derision by the usual suspects, and the bookies didn't even have her listed (despite the fact that she was already a Cabinet minister). In the event, the change of leadership came too early for her, but next time is quite possible. It's interesting that Theresa May has given her such a prominent place in her government and this campaign.
I must admit, I was very pleased to pick her out as the next Home Secretary. (Which was just as well as the other positions were less good.)
@iainjwatson: & Angus Robertson calls for a top UK tax rate of 50p -snp froze higher threshold but didn't use new powers to increase 45p rate on Scotland
You turnip Scott, tax must be done UK wide whilst we are still prisoners.
Not true. Scott is absolutely right. As of last month Scotland has the power to increase the top rate of tax from 45p to 50p on all income excepts savings and dividends.
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So May not being there is a step in the right direction.
Not quite! .... I bought the Tories at 369 seats this morning to close my spread bet.
There may yet be a good case for buying Tories' Seats, should last night's YouGov prove to be an outlier which a number on here are convinced it was. Certainly, on a risk : reward basis I could see very little basis for not cashing in my Tory Sell chips this morning. IMHO they are as likely to finish up winning 390 seats as slipping further to 350, more so in fact.
Amber Rudd basically getting twice as much airtime as everyone else.
Corbyn's aim, of course, is as you say controlling Labour. If they continue down that route, well I'm going to have trouble choosing who I vote for at future GEs.
@IanB2 The Unions fund, and thus control Labour. They are the key.
He would have been purely politically tactical on everything else.
No way will Labour be able to raise enough money with their plans, and that assumes that "the rich" and big business don't change behaviour, and then there's the impact on the economy of a far-left government messing up the finances, going around nationalising things, and re-arming the trade unions to consider. "The rich" are the only people who will be able to escape Labour's clutches, it will be everybody else who ends up paying.
The Tories will have had a third female leader.
And Labour none....
It's Cambridge. Of course it's going to be filled with lefties.
Corbyn's loving this (as is the crowd).
I'll say this - Corbyn has had brain farts at times, but he's got his main lines down pat.
Rudd is outnumbered here, with a typically cambridge audience - all she can do is play the firm headed adult, and hope that plays well to those at home.
How do you think MI5 will work to reduce Corbyn's success here?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9af41e4a-4313-11e7-87be-5b23ad6fd8ec
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hero-surgeon-who-spent-48-13105168
Agree it's a slightly tenuous to link it to Brexit, I like to think he was linking it to UKIP's approach more generally.
LAB hold Rhondda
Amber Rudd is EXCELLENT.
Oh, hi Leanne, you're still here? I think Mishal Husain asked her several questions in order to give her a chance to be seen.