Poor Tim. A fairly decent, tough set of lines - not a squeak from the audience. They want Corbyn and Corbyn. With a bit of Caroline.
Is Leanne still there?
I think Tim is doing good.
Surely he has much more in common with the Lab programme than the Tories
Tim's doing ok, but he's not getting anywhere near as much love from the audience even when pitching things you'd think they'd like (the left parts of it anyway).
Hope you have moved back to the LDs. A nice guy has no business voting for the Tories...
There is nothing inherently nice or nasty about a political party, left or right. May is crap, but the Tory plans are more realistic and sensible, and its between her and Corbyn.
Corbyn really passionate about getting the americans to challenge their government to adhere to the paris agreement - is that something people are really concerned about, what the americans do and what we should say to them?
I'm fairly passionate that we deal with climate change. Frankly it's a much much bigger, albeit perhaps fractionally less immediate, threat than Islamic Extremism.
I think all the Conservative leaning members of the audience were made to dip their hands in a big pot of glue before taking their seats. I think the Conservative posters on here are probably right to feel irked by the audience make up.
It's representative of the national mood right now. 60% hate Tories.
That doesn't at all explain why the 40% who support them are not clapping anything though. It's bizarre.
May couldn't have gone on as she wasn't prepped. Cameron war gamed his debates for days. Once Corbyn ambushed her this morning, it was too late. Why didn't anyone see this coming - it was obvious this would happen ages ago. Corbyn is getting big cheers. I think the big mo will continue. What a mess.
Was Tim right about the Manchester bomber being reported five times? What does that actually mean? And if so, why wasn't anything done?
There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).
We're getting better at tracking those we need to monitor. And for every Manchester, there are five guys who's plans are disrupted. But this is a multi-decade effort, and we're (really) only ten years in.
Modestly more resources, targeted modestly better, combined with better infiltration, and - like with the IRA and similar movements - we'll reduce Islamic terrorism to a minor, but chronic, condition. Maybe that's not enough, but that is the direction we're heading in.
His father was in Libya fighting with the jihadis. It does seem that the alarm bells didn't ring.
Looking for a needle in a haystack is difficult, but any case like Manchester should be reviewed for lessons learned.
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.
It's because of where the debate is held, probably.
Remind me which bits of the Tory manifesto merit applause?
I'm a Lib Dem... so why should I? I'm not trying to defend the Conservatives. I'm just baffled by their inability to even get so much as one audience member to clap them tonight.
The easiest way to get applause is through sharp criticism, which is always difficult for a defending government. Having few policies and fewer attractive ones doesn't help.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
There were concerns raised about the individual on five separate occasions, including once by his own Imman. The problem is that there are probably thousands of people who are reported each year, such as SeanT's own dry cleaners. Most of the time it's nothing. And often people fall through the net (nothing suspicious in his mobile phone call patterns, nothing to see here, move on).
If there are 23,000 found to have extremist views, and 5,000 with some terrorist connection, there are likely to be many more people who have reported. I wouldn't be at all surprised if reports are in the hundreds of thousands per year, and tens of thousands of people are investigated per year. MI5 has a simply huge task to investigate all the leads it gets.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views. It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
Theresa's rightly had a kicking for hiding. And let's face it. It's not just today, it's the whole campaign.
As nailed now by Farron.
LOL. If audience members are clapping because Corbyn said that he was elected by 300k members, then it's likely that they are on the left/activists, and not representative.
In my family there are quite a few that are not happy with TMay at all, but they wouldn't be clapping everytime Corbyn breathed either.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% left
Tough gig for Rudd - think she's done OK Nuttall won on immigration and terrorism. Farron - It's all about me - bit kooky. Corbyn - another assured performance Audience very left wing - people at home will see that.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
Ha, Ha, there are no tories in the audience, it's 99% left
The clapping at Corbyn's leadership election was a great give away, and a sign to the audience at home how unrepresentative the audience in the studio has been
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views. It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.
But they aren't.
You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).
Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ May 31, 2017
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ May 31, 2017
Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ May 31, 2017
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ May 31, 2017
Isn't it for Amber Rudd to decide what she does or doesn't want to do?
"Leadership is about bringing people with you" is a brave place for start for Corby!
Will Rudd spot the open goal...?
Got there in the end. I'm surprised the Tories haven't pushed it harder. No response from crowd, who orgasmed at Corbyn's rebuttal. Do people care that the MPs blatantly don't support Corbyn? I think they should, personally, but many people don't.
Caroline talking about pioneering new ways with co-leaders - didn't she get rid of that when she was leader on her own in her first stint, and they've only just returned to the normal Green way.
Overall scores
Corbyn - 7/10 Pretty good, had some good lines, buoyed by his parts of the audience rapturously greeting his statements. Took brief hits earlier on, but that was expected - question is will people like Rudd's rebuttals of him Rudd - 6/10 Great start, pushing a 'sensible realism' response to concerted attack, but didn't get much opportunity later, a few stumbles Farron - 5/10 Punchy, got noticed at times, but with Corbyn having a good debate, his impact will be reduced Robertson - 6/10 Picked his moments, had some effective impacts, but some less effective. Strong opener and finish. Wood - 3/10 Only really seemed to have an impact vs Nuttal at the end, otherwise invisible. Nuttal - 4/10- Got some applause lines, took the brunt of attacks at times, and took some laughs. Lucas - 6/10 She's a good debater, some good moments, but not really sticking out for me. Better than Corbyn, but needed him to do worse to shine more.
Overall impression - early on Rudd held her own, and Corbyn got some blowback from the others too, but in general they focused on Rudd from then on.
Corbyn will be seen as the winner, but Rudd handled herself fine and I think the tories will be relatively happy.
Fair play tonight to Rudd on an impossible wicket, but bowled an unplayable slider on the final question with Lucas whipping off the stumps. As for the audience, either Momentum are A1 organisers at gaming events or by Friday we'll be walking in a Corbyn wonderland.
It's the former.
That leadership line and the applause was the giveaway. Had it been on bread and butter issues alone, then the latter could be true.
Fucking outrageous audience. Totally gamed by activists.
Cancel the fucking Licence Fee. Grrrr.......
:-D
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
It's not cowardice. It's confidence in one's own views. It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.
But they aren't.
You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).
Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
You have been hanging round with the PB tories too long!
Hard Brexit is the most damaging economic policy possible.
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Apart from being at Hillsboro privatising NHS living in Stoke being a Tranmere player etc etc etc
Looking for a needle in a haystack is difficult, but any case like Manchester should be reviewed for lessons learned.
Audience woops and cheers
Corbyn hasn't been that good really, but the 35% of the audience who support him have definitely done him a favour. The silence of the Tories in the audience speaks volumes. They're cowards - they silently sit on their hands and then they go into the polling station and vote to protect their interests.
As nailed now by Farron.
Remember the spinners earlier saying this would be ferrets in a sack attacking Corbyn. LOL
Still doesn't change the fact that Corbyn lies - repeatedly.
It's not like Labour party supporters aren't voting for their own interests too.
Get your hypocrisy in check.
In my family there are quite a few that are not happy with TMay at all, but they wouldn't be clapping everytime Corbyn breathed either.
Nuttall won on immigration and terrorism.
Farron - It's all about me - bit kooky.
Corbyn - another assured performance
Audience very left wing - people at home will see that.
Maybe the Tories in the audience are embarrassed.
You can't say you're voting for a 'better future' and then vote for people who will crash the economy (Labour).
Economically incompetent people cannot deliver a better future especially for the most vulnerable in society that many Corbynistas speak of wanting to protect.
All political parties lie - it's part of the dirty politics game!
Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan)
EXCL by @ByLynnDavidson: Amber Rudd's father died on Monday but it didn't stop her taking part in tonight's debate: https://t.co/ckDllvnAgZ
May 31, 2017
Farron speaks well. He has the popular touch.
https://youtu.be/pA8nABHLQQA
Caroline talking about pioneering new ways with co-leaders - didn't she get rid of that when she was leader on her own in her first stint, and they've only just returned to the normal Green way.
Overall scores
Corbyn - 7/10 Pretty good, had some good lines, buoyed by his parts of the audience rapturously greeting his statements. Took brief hits earlier on, but that was expected - question is will people like Rudd's rebuttals of him
Rudd - 6/10 Great start, pushing a 'sensible realism' response to concerted attack, but didn't get much opportunity later, a few stumbles
Farron - 5/10 Punchy, got noticed at times, but with Corbyn having a good debate, his impact will be reduced
Robertson - 6/10 Picked his moments, had some effective impacts, but some less effective. Strong opener and finish.
Wood - 3/10 Only really seemed to have an impact vs Nuttal at the end, otherwise invisible.
Nuttal - 4/10- Got some applause lines, took the brunt of attacks at times, and took some laughs.
Lucas - 6/10 She's a good debater, some good moments, but not really sticking out for me. Better than Corbyn, but needed him to do worse to shine more.
Overall impression - early on Rudd held her own, and Corbyn got some blowback from the others too, but in general they focused on Rudd from then on.
Corbyn will be seen as the winner, but Rudd handled herself fine and I think the tories will be relatively happy.
That leadership line and the applause was the giveaway. Had it been on bread and butter issues alone, then the latter could be true.
Hard Brexit is the most damaging economic policy possible.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3693764/amber-rudd-stands-up-to-debate-jeremy-corbyn-despite-death-of-elderly-father-just-days-before/?editorialView=yes
EXCL: Amber Rudd is debating Jeremy Corbyn tonight despite the death of her elderly father just days ago https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3693764/amber-rudd-stands-up-to-debate-jeremy-corbyn-despite-death-of-elderly-father-just-days-before … #BBCDebate