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Scotland would have to vote IN for the EU after Independence. Scotland would vote No to the EU once it is Independent.JenS said:If the UK is in meltdown, so will the EU be. I am not convinced that the Scottish will want to cut loose from the UK and throw their lot in with the EU now.
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I think we may need a proper constitutional convention. The constitution has been bent out of shape for decades and we need to resolve it.0
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The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Taken back control?Bob__Sykes said:Britain. What the fuck have you done?
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;D ;DSouthamObserver said:
Yep, the people have spoken. It is now encumbent on Leave to deliver on the promises they've made.nunu said:
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.rottenborough said:BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
They will try to make everyone happy by telling them annual net inward immigration is down to 175,000 from the Commonwealth! "But I still see them every day."0 -
So it was the sun wot won it right?0
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I think he - and other Leavers - really thought it was all over. Someone should nudge him awake, a new day has dawned has it not...Lowlander said:Is it just me or does anyone else thing Boris has slept through the whole thing?
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Believed in ourselves - as we did for a thousand years before. Being a panty-waist wet is your speciality.Bob__Sykes said:Britain. What the fuck have you done?
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They cannot offer us anything without making a rod for their own backs. Our government would collapse if it looked like not leaving to consider a new offer.John_M said:
Juncker isn't the EU. There are plenty of rumblings about him and his management style. We have to hope that the pragmatists step up on all sides.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
There will be no offer.0 -
Andrew Rawnsley on the Beeb now. Where has Kevin Maguire been?! I can't wait to see his reaction! And the MP for Stone too!!!!!!!!0
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Tim Stanley @timothy_stanley 7m7 minutes ago
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Well if he hadn't tried so many underhand methods to win it, maybe. The British don't like a 'cad'.AndrewSpencer said:
No, he's the PM, his duty is to implement the result of his referendum.rottenborough said:Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
I think he should stay on - he's probably already been in contact with other EU leaders as to the best course, and we now need some stability over the next few days, and he still has the backing of a majority of conservative MPs.0 -
SouthamObserver said:
Let's see where things are in six to 12 months.kle4 said:
Semantics. Under what circumstances will we not leave? No government would be able to not proceed with the formalities, no offer from brussells will be forthcoming which would convince people to vote again.SouthamObserver said:
No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.MaxPB said:Holy shit, we've left the EU.
It's a possibility: "When it becomes serious, you have to lie" - Jean-Claude Junckerjohn_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
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No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
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Should have put your money into British exporters.FrankMuller said:Utter madness.
I am so glad I got rid of all of my UK equity yesterday and put £200 on leave @ 3/1 few days ago...
UK has a masive trade deficit, including with the EU. The fall in the £ will help increase exports in the long term.0 -
About 120k on betfair and 25k on betdaqPulpstar said:
Hopefully Betfair to settle soon, nice £900 profit incomingPaul_Bedfordshire said:Cough - I told you so.
You laughed and mocked, just like you did when I said the Libdems would lose Yeovil and places like that, but, I told you so.
£120 to collect now by the look of it
Meeks and iSam have bigger boats coming in !0 -
Wel Cameron's legacy in the history books is certainly going to be an interesting one.0
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I genuinely could not see how Remain could win. It just seemed so obvious.Scrapheap_as_was said:
SO. I won't doubt you ever again... well until the next time. Congratulations on calling this right even if it's not the outcome we both wanted.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, the people have spoken. It is now encumbent on Leave to deliver on the promises they've made.nunu said:
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.rottenborough said:BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
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Just checked - my nojam was 52.8 Leave, but I was miles out on turnout 54.6 - shamefaced.0
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You do realise the UK is no longer the only Eurosceptic country in the EU? The EU is over - in its current guise at least.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
The UK will outlive it.0 -
If I'd thought we could secure the stability of the UK by voting Remain, I would have. The SNP's dominance makes clear we are were on shaky ground as it was.murali_s said:
The EU will fare better than UK in the short to medium term hence why the breakup of the UK is a very serious probability.JenS said:If the UK is in meltdown, so will the EU be. I am not convinced that the Scottish will want to cut loose from the UK and throw their lot in with the EU now.
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Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
What is your view of the queen's last-minute intervention to help Leave?rottenborough said:Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
She was reported in the Sun to be fond of asking people "Tell me three good reasons for staying in the EU". That was on Wednesday.
(The main reason I left my money on Leave rather than bailing out was because the Sun and the monarch both backed Leave.)
That story about the monarch can't have been printed without the OK from the Palace. Otherwise they'd have complained.
Maybe Cameron should declare that he's going to hand in his resignation to the queen and that since she wanted this mess, she can advise her f*cking self on who to appoint as his f*cking successor.
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Redbridge should go Leave.Sunil_Prasannan said:LEAVE now 1 million ahead
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I always said, when you are accusing people of people of being racist, xenophobic and possibly even being somehow responsible for someone's murder, they might, just might be reluctant to talk to pollsters on the Dog.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
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Went to bed at 1.30 certain leave would win and now woken up and they have. It is chaos out there but I am not seeking blame. The EU has failed and the result is dramatic. As a remainer I have to admit to a strange feeling of freedom but we now need a serious coming together of the conservative. Most seem to feel David Cameron must continue for stability and of course he knows everyone in the EU. Well done leave but get rid of Farage0
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Yes. Please listen to this individual and SeanT, everyone. It is called democracy. Vote out, get out. You own it.kle4 said:
They cannot offer us anything without making a rod for their own backs. Our government would collapse if it looked like not leaving to consider a new offer.John_M said:
Juncker isn't the EU. There are plenty of rumblings about him and his management style. We have to hope that the pragmatists step up on all sides.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
There will be no offer.0 -
You can't have Cameron staying to oversee the exit, there would be no confidence in him, as he would disagree with his own actions. I'm sure he knows that and will resign straight away but, to calm nerves, would stay on until a leadership vote.0
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They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
On a positive note, it is quite funny watching the BBC reaction.
If the Tories winning a majority last year was a shock to the dears, this is off the scale!0 -
No, it was The Sunil wot won it!FrancisUrquhart said:So it was the sun wot won it right?
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I meant in terms of trade, residency rights and so on. The French will want to have a ruck, I imagine the Germans won't. There's been a lot of noises off about punishing the Brits pour encourager les autres. That might be a gratifying impulse, but it's really, really not in the EU's interests to do that. It would be counterproductive in my view.kle4 said:
They cannot offer us anything without making a rod for their own backs. Our government would collapse if it looked like not leaving to consider a new offer.John_M said:
Juncker isn't the EU. There are plenty of rumblings about him and his management style. We have to hope that the pragmatists step up on all sides.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
There will be no offer.0 -
And entirely deserved.FrancisUrquhart said:Wel Cameron's legacy in the history books is certainly going to be an interesting one.
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How pissed off must he be right now?Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
Absolutely. The Thrice Referenda PM!FrancisUrquhart said:Wel Cameron's legacy in the history books is certainly going to be an interesting one.
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Will there be reports of liz purring?John_N4 said:
What is your view of the queen's last-minute intervention to help Leave?rottenborough said:Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
She was reported in the Sun to be fond of asking people "Tell me three good reasons for staying in the EU". That was on Wednesday.
(The main reason I left my money on Leave rather than bailing out was because the Sun and the monarch both backed Leave.)
That can't have been printed without the OK from the Palace. Otherwise they'd have complained.
Maybe Cameron should declare that he's going to hand in his resignation to the queen and that since she wanted this mess, she can advise her f*cking self on who to appoint as his f*cking successor.0 -
@Bob__Sykes
'The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful? '
It's great , if Scotland & NI want to leave that's their choice.
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He will have to go quite soon but not now.weejonnie said:
Well if he hadn't tried so many underhand methods to win it, maybe. The British don't like a 'cad'.AndrewSpencer said:
No, he's the PM, his duty is to implement the result of his referendum.rottenborough said:Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
I think he should stay on - he's probably already been in contact with other EU leaders as to the best course, and we now need some stability over the next few days, and he still has the backing of a majority of conservative MPs.0 -
So who becomes PM? Boris? Theresa?0
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Hardman: Osborne will be gone soon.0
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And they didn't even offer them a free owl.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
Million mark passed.0
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Time to launch the Sunil across the states that will follow the UK like a domino.......Denmark, Sweden, Poland, France............Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it was The Sunil wot won it!FrancisUrquhart said:So it was the sun wot won it right?
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The heir to Blair has reaped what Blair sowed.PlatoSaid said:
And entirely deserved.FrancisUrquhart said:Wel Cameron's legacy in the history books is certainly going to be an interesting one.
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Objectively the EU is a better option for the UK than the other two likely options: EEA or a Korean style FTA. But as people were asked, do you want be in the EU, albeit out of context, and said No it's hard to see a way back. We'll just have to sort something out from the other two options, but they're definitely worse than what we haveSouthamObserver said:
Of course. And we may just find that the experts had some idea of what they were talking about. It could just be the EU may not look so horrific a few months down the line.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?0 -
After tonight, even if Remain somehow manages to scrape a narrow won, the EU needs to display some humility
Blaming the size of the Leave vote on the dark forces of the British press, or supposed British racism will just make the EU seem like sore losers, as will claiming the Leave vote was really an anti-Tory vote.
Instead, the EU needs to look in the mirror, recognise that it is not perfect, and admit the UK had legitimate grievances against it.
Hopefully, the shock of this result will enable the EU's leaders to push through major reforms, but are they up to that challenge?0 -
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tipsLowlander said:
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter... 0 -
Not a word in the EU copybook.john_zims said:@Bob__Sykes
choice.0 -
EICIPO?tlg86 said:
How pissed off must he be right now?Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
I think he has to go today. And Carney possibly.KentRising said:Hardman: Osborne will be gone soon.
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BBC's polling expert, John Curtice, claiming he saw it all along and could not understand why the finanacial markets did not.
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Pandora's Box well and truly opened according to the Sky NI correspondent. Time to open Pandora's Box in many other ways as well.0
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As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve itedmundintokyo said:
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?viewcode said:03:59
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Me too. The scum who pulled that stunt have no future in British politics...GIN1138 said:
I always said, when you are accusing people of people of being racist, xenophobic and possibly even being somehow responsible for someone's murder, they might, just might be reluctant to talk to pollsters on the Dog.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
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Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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The PB commentariat totally wrong again0
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Does Peter Kellner still reckon it's a remain victory ;-)0
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Well duh - he was probably gone anyway, as the price for party unity in the event of Remain winning.KentRising said:Hardman: Osborne will be gone soon.
I presume Cameron will appoint a new Leaver Chancellor and Foreign Secretary but leave May in place, then announce he is stepping down as Leader of the party and will tender his resignation to the queen once the party selects a successor.0 -
"Why I’m Touring 31 Cities in 31 Days Campaigning for Britain to Remain"
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Still no result - I want to got to bedanother_richard said: 0 -
Despite everything thrown at them. Leave have done it. We are free.
We are the people of England; and we have not spoken yet. Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.
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Hillingdon:
Remain: 58,040
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Hillingdon loyal to Boris!0
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Absolutely inconceivable that either of them could go at a time of such potential market instabilitiy - they are probably needed more in their roles over the next days and weeks than at any time since they came to office.GIN1138 said:
I think he has to go today. And Carney possibly.KentRising said:Hardman: Osborne will be gone soon.
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It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.Pulpstar said:
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tipsLowlander said:
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.0 -
If the English can vote for economic self harm, why not the Scots?murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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Now you can have an unregulated owl, any size you want..FrancisUrquhart said:
And they didn't even offer them a free owl.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
Getting a seat back on the WTO...0
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And they can be straight or bendy...dugarbandier said:
Now you can have an unregulated owl, any size you want..FrancisUrquhart said:
And they didn't even offer them a free owl.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...0 -
Cameron will resign. I hope he tells the queen that since she intervened in the referendum she'd better decide for herself who to appoint as his successor and whether to call a general election. But he's more likely to kowtow and to stay on as caretaker. Then the Tory party has a stabbing festival leadership contest, and the winner - obviously someone who supported Leave - becomes PM, and the Tories all rally round for the good of the nasty party and in solidarity against oiks, Polaks, Krauts, Frogs, dagos and the Arabs - but especially those dirty smelly oiks, those oiks who just helped them out.
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Bring on a second Indy ref for Scotland.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
The fall in oil revenue makes them bankrupt. Who will vote for bankruptcy?0 -
All the PBers tactically voting Leave so the Remain margin wouldn't be too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it was The Sunil wot won it!FrancisUrquhart said:So it was the sun wot won it right?
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Well, the Scots will be voting to become an EU minnow, it's hardly independence. However, if that's what they want, then they should be allowed to do so.SouthamObserver said:
If the English can vote for economic self harm, why not the Scots?murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Never seen Nigel Evans so sunburnt!0
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How can the markets possibly have confidence in these two after all the warnings of hell they've been giving out.bazzer said:
Absolutely inconceivable that either of them could go at a time of such potential market instabilitiy - they are probably needed more in their roles over the next days and weeks than at any time since they came to office.GIN1138 said:
I think he has to go today. And Carney possibly.KentRising said:Hardman: Osborne will be gone soon.
Hammond for Chancellor and Mervyn back at BoE for a few months ASAP...0 -
Cameron, in most ways, has not been a bad PM. Not great, but not bad, and he's made great strides for the Tory party. But he was simply not up to the task of resolving the EU issue for the public. Could they have been swayed to Remain? Presumably, it is pretty close. But he was not up to that.
An EU referendum was called for years and years ago, before Greece and all the rest of the recent troubles. Cameron didn't cause the mess, but it was too big by the time he got to it and trying to avoid it just made it worse.0 -
This is the kind of sneering that apparently made decent people vote LEAVE. It's on.David_Evershed said:
Bring on a second Indy ref for Scotland.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
The fall in oil revenue makes them bankrupt. Who will vote for bankruptcy?0 -
There are always ways and means.FF43 said:
Objectively the EU is a better option for the UK than the other two likely options: EEA or a Korean style FTA. But as people were asked, do you want be in the EU, albeit out of context, and said No it's hard to see a way back. We'll just have to sort something out from the other two options, but they're definitely worse than what we haveSouthamObserver said:
Of course. And we may just find that the experts had some idea of what they were talking about. It could just be the EU may not look so horrific a few months down the line.john_zims said:@SouthamObserver
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
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Both the Republic and the UK are outside Schengen, and have their own Common Travel Area.viewcode said:
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve itedmundintokyo said:
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?viewcode said:03:59
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Leadsom on the Beeb. Smiling and upbeat, cutting across the manly gloom.0
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Paul. Good morning from a free Bedordshire. Chestertons people did it.0
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But soon losing a seat on the UN Security Council when the UK dissolves.KentRising said:Getting a seat back on the WTO...
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If the UK government cannot deliver stable governance nor a stable currency then Scotland may consider its best interests lie elsewhere. GBP is tanking as we speak, which gives Scotland impetus to leave the UK.MaxPB said:...For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed...
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Lashings of wine without EU tariffs on its way from New Zealand.
No more Frog wine.0 -
Lol at duckface Thornberry.0
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Thornberry distraught.0
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Of course.John_M said:
Well, the Scots will be voting to become an EU minnow, it's hardly independence. However, if that's what they want, then they should be allowed to do so.SouthamObserver said:
If the English can vote for economic self harm, why not the Scots?murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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Northern Ireland only voted narrowly to Remain. They aren't going to join the Republic.viewcode said:
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve itedmundintokyo said:
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?viewcode said:03:59
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Please. That's Lady Nugee to you.MonikerDiCanio said:Thornberry distraught.
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