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John_M said:

RobD said:

John_M said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

@GLW Confident it won't be Ken but.......

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

Oooh that's smart thinking.

Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.

Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.

My immediate question is - never mind the Labour party, does Jeremy want Ed back in parliament?

Apropos of nothing, another recent Der Spiegel article was explaining the British FPTP system to its readership, in the same tone that an anthropologist might have described head-shrinking to a Victorian audience. The continentals just don't get our system at all.

How dumb are the Germans? It is the simplest election system in the world

My instant rejoinder is that they think safe seats are silly, the fact that government composition is dependent on a relatively small number of marginals sillier and that we now have a system (if 2015 is repeated) that is crude in the extreme. Are you Labour or Tory*?

See?

*We can discount the jocks and the taffies, they don't count .

But part of the German system is based on single member constituencies, some of which are safe seats. For example Merkel's seat is:

Vorpommern-Rügen – Vorpommern-Greifswald I

dugarbandier said:

rcs1000 said:

dugarbandier said:

Dadge said:

Sandpit said:

PlatoSaid said:

Sandpit said:

PlatoSaid said:

IAAF isn't lifting ban on Russian athletes - oh dear.

If they will miss the Olympics that's a huge story. Big cojones from an under-pressure Seb Coe.

I was only half listening - but it sounded like the IAAF think their whole drug testing regime is broken and can't be trusted. Decision may not even go to a vote.

That's fantastic news. Missing the big one is the only way that Putin's cronies in charge of Russian athletics could be shamed into sorting out the problems.

It's systemic and has been for decades, any other punishment would be insufficient, just seen by everyone there as a cost of doing business.

Interesting to see how the Russian people take their increasing isolation. Of course they are getting wildly biased news reporting, but the economic effects should at least give cause to reflect.

the Russians may feel that they are the Lance Armstrong of athletics doping. who knows whether with justification or not

Having survived the cancer of communism?

i meant that Lances crime was being a bully and an arsehole. everyone (more or less) did the doping. I don't know if athletics is similar, but the Russians don't appear to be emplying much charm

Five tour winners (including Armstrong) have been stripped of their titles since 1996. He was right - everyone was at it.

MarkHopkins said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

@GLW Confident it won't be Ken but.......

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

Oooh that's smart thinking.

Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.

Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.

Labour might. Jeremy doesn't....

An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now get as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.

Labour could have an open primary first.

I would certainly encourage them to take up that excellent suggestion. Chance of it happening? V. slight....

TheScreamingEagles said:

There's a 'Grab a granny' website for the EU Referendum

http://www.callyournan.com/

They are more likely to find the outcome is Nan's converting the badly informed youngsters to Leave....

RoyalBlue said:

I must say, I'm finding it pretty hard to retain my faith in democracy. The Government have spent public money to boost their side, unilaterally extended voter registration and are now using competitive grief to freeze Leave out of the media.

Media coverage might not matter. We're in the last days before the vote, and previously undecided voters have heard both sides argue for Leave/Remain.

SouthamObserver said:

To change the subject completely ...

If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.

I feel like I'm always playing contrarian to you SO, please believe me that it's nothing personal .

I was mucking around with some World Bank figures (GDP per capita in constant 2005 dollars). I was quite surprised that if I assumed a 25% shrinkage in the economy (which is roughly three times worse than the estimates for the 2008 crash and around twelve times worse than a normal recession), we're back to 1996. Which, as we all remember was a time of famine, plague and a darkness o'er the land.

I suspect I've made an error in my arithmetic. But it is interesting. I shall brace myself to be pedanted to death .

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/3655355

John_M said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

@GLW Confident it won't be Ken but.......

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

Oooh that's smart thinking.

Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.

Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.

My immediate question is - never mind the Labour party, does Jeremy want Ed back in parliament?

Apropos of nothing, another recent Der Spiegel article was explaining the British FPTP system to its readership, in the same tone that an anthropologist might have described head-shrinking to a Victorian audience. The continentals just don't get our system at all.

FPTP in India, the USA, Canada to name but a few:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_That_Use_a_First_Past_the_Post_Voting_System.png

Getting involved in the EURef has seen Cameron's rating fall as much as Wilson, who didn't get involved

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/743820272944484352

F1: P2 finished, Mercedes a second clear of the Force Indias and Williams'
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-live.html

Delayed GP2 qualy session just started, first time anyone's been on this new track driving in anger. Fireworks expected.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

There's a 'Grab a granny' website for the EU Referendum

http://www.callyournan.com/

They are more likely to find the outcome is Nan's converting the badly informed youngsters to Leave....

Highly unlikely.

As you know full well.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

@GLW Confident it won't be Ken but.......

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

Oooh that's smart thinking.

Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.

Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.

Then he became chairman of Norwich City FC

SouthamObserver said:

To change the subject completely ...

If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.

Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.

You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.

You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.

Stop it.

Jobabob said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

@GLW Confident it won't be Ken but.......

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

Oooh that's smart thinking.

Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.

Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.

Then he became chairman of Norwich City FC

One of the Great Offices of State.

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

To change the subject completely ...

If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.

Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.

You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.

You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.

Stop it.

As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.

El_Dave said:

RoyalBlue said:

I must say, I'm finding it pretty hard to retain my faith in democracy. The Government have spent public money to boost their side, unilaterally extended voter registration and are now using competitive grief to freeze Leave out of the media.

Media coverage might not matter. We're in the last days before the vote, and previously undecided voters have heard both sides argue for Leave/Remain.

As Gaius Julius Caesar probably never said "the die is cast"

Whether the vote is today tomorrow or next Thursday it matters not a hoot.

There probably a very tiny number of folk who have not really made up their minds. And those that have made their minds up won't change them.

SouthamObserver said:

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

To change the subject completely ...

If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.

Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.

You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.

You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.

Stop it.

As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.

You are just constantly trying to find and exploit attack lines. You are adding nothing new of interest or of yourself to the debate. You are just constantly repeating the same old attack lines again and again.

Come on. You are better than this.

RodCrosby said:

IanB2 said:

RobD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.

PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.

FPTP is the best system.

Quite right

Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.

Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...

Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

Casino_Royale said:

SouthamObserver said:

To change the subject completely ...

If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.

Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.

You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.

You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.

Stop it.

As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.

You are just constantly trying to find and exploit attack lines. You are adding nothing new of interest or of yourself to the debate. You are just constantly repeating the same old attack lines again and again.

Come on. You are better than this.

It's the first time I have mentioned Scotland.

Jobabob said:

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

There's a 'Grab a granny' website for the EU Referendum

http://www.callyournan.com/

They are more likely to find the outcome is Nan's converting the badly informed youngsters to Leave....

Highly unlikely.

As you know full well.

Why? Cuz only Da Yoof know Da Troof? It is wonderfully condescending. But completely in line with Remain's campaign.

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?

There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.

Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.

It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.

It's brilliant. And very dangerous.

RobD said:

RodCrosby said:

IanB2 said:

RobD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.

PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.

FPTP is the best system.

Quite right

Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.

Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...

Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.

92%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1933

But it was 44% in the last "proper" election 8 months earlier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

TGOHF said:

RobD said:

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

I feel like it is, but the desire to move on is understandable given the upcoming vote.

Interesting link about the husband in the comments.

Blimey.

LadyBucket said:

RobD said:

SouthamObserver said:

Pulpstar said:

@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................

I'd say her husband has to be a pretty strong contender, if he feels able to do it.

Who knows, he could be a Tory...

It might be a silly question but could an independent candidate run?

The only bar is the deposit.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

nunu said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36553552

Bugger, was going to bet in that market tonight!

The company said the poll also suggests Catholics continue to be substantially more likely to vote to remain within the EU, and are three times more likely to want to stay rather than leave.

Initially, opinion amongst Protestants was evenly balanced but now that group is more likely to vote to leave.

As we would expect, Catholics more likely to look over the border, Protestants more likely to share the unionist / pro-British mentality more associated with Leave.

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Sandpit, what do you make of the Red Bulls and Ferraris being so lacklustre?

Daniel Ricciardo said they just didn't have the pace, it seems that Mercedes powered cars have a better power unit at this circuit. Interesting to note that the works Merc team have a special new rear wing for this race, and they were a second clear while sandbagging as they usually do on Fridays. Also, gear ratios are fixed this year, several cars maxed out through the the DRS zone past the line.

Take very shorts odds for them to be on pole and to win the race. I've not looked at odds yet, from watching so far I'd say the safety car would be value at 1/10.

Casino_Royale said:

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?

There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.

Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.

It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.

It's brilliant. And very dangerous.

It's a moot point who it favours imo. Time lost from the campaign is time when errors cannot occur. If REMAIN is behind they need time if they are to catch up. I expect very few people who will vote have really not decided yet or are likely to be impressed by yet more fatuous stunts.

Mr. Sandpit, thanks.

I don't like short odds if I can avoid them, though. And there's the risk of crashing or being screwed by a red flag at the wrong time.

Casino_Royale said:

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?

There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.

Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.

It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.

It's brilliant. And very dangerous.

I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.

KentRising said:

NoEasyDay said:

At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.

The are three types of Don't knows left

1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically
2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats.
3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.

1. Remain?
2. Remain?
3. Leave or Won't Vote?

In surveys something like 7% of people claim they only decided in the polling booth. Hard to believe, if you are politically engaged as we all are, but there are people who feel a duty to vote but actually don't have strong political opinions. And people who have second thoughts with the pencil in their hand. People who didn't mean to vote but walked passed the polling station on the way home and popped in on impulse. Etc.

Interesting

http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375

Leave Street stalls all cancelled tomorrow apparently. Mass leafleting instead.

Surely the suspension of campaigning favours which ever said is ahead?

Concanvasser said:

Leave Street stalls all cancelled tomorrow apparently. Mass leafleting instead.

Surely the suspension of campaigning favours which ever said is ahead?

Indeed. Which tells you what each campaign's private polling is showing.

If Remain were truly behind, they'd be campaigning this weekend and Leave wouldn't.

KentRising said:

NoEasyDay said:

At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.

The are three types of Don't knows left

1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically
2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats.
3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.

1. Remain?
2. Remain?
3. Leave or Won't Vote?

1. 50:50
2. Remain
3. Leave if someone gives them a lift to the polling booth which is fifty meters away. And they don't make the mistake on going to the pub on the way there.

Deleted due to duplication

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Sandpit, thanks.

I don't like short odds if I can avoid them, though. And there's the risk of crashing or being screwed by a red flag at the wrong time.

Agree with you about short odds-on in any sport. I just checked with Betfair, safety car is actually 1/3 (1.34). That's probably worth a go.

Hamilton is 1.4 and Rosberg 3.9 for pole, the German might be worth a small bet.

IanB2 said:

KentRising said:

NoEasyDay said:

At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.

The are three types of Don't knows left

1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically
2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats.
3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.

1. Remain?
2. Remain?
3. Leave or Won't Vote?

In surveys something like 7% of people claim they only decided in the polling booth. Hard to believe, if you are politically engaged as we all are, but there are people who feel a duty to vote but actually don't have strong political opinions. And people who have second thoughts with the pencil in their hand. People who didn't mean to vote but walked passed the polling station on the way home and popped in on impulse. Etc.

Those who decide in the polling booth are group 1. Pedantic knobs

Those who don't have strong political opinions are mixture of pompous prats and feckless twats.

DanSmith said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?

There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.

Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.

It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.

It's brilliant. And very dangerous.

I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.

I concur, freezing the campaign helps the side in front, which is Lead.

Are they though? They have momentum but I wouldn't call them favourites unless polls start showing them 5-6 points ahead. We aren't there yet. NI and expats will be a small negative for them and there's likely to be a small swingback to the status quo.

RobD said:

JohnO said:

RobD said:

RodCrosby said:

IanB2 said:

RobD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.

PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.

FPTP is the best system.

Quite right

Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.

Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...

Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.

The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.

Spooky! The same share as the good lady herself in 79.

But Mrs T got more seats than Nasty Adolf.

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

TGOHF said:

marke09 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/project-mourn-remains-dirty-politicking-has-hit-an-all-time-low/

is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?

It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?

There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.

Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.

It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.

It's brilliant. And very dangerous.

I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.

I hope you are right.

FWIW, I am devastated about what has happened to Jo. I have a MP friend (well, bit estranged now) who was seriously threatened once and it was terrifying.

But this is being politicised, even if subtly.

Why wasn't Gisela Stuart or Kate Hoey, at the very least, there today too to remove any doubt of politicism?

They were all Remainers.

Cameron is PM, Corbyn is leader of the party she represented, Bercow is Speaker of the House. Having Stuart or Hoey there would have been politicisation. This has absolutely nothing to do with the referendum.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Concanvasser said:

Leave Street stalls all cancelled tomorrow apparently. Mass leafleting instead.

Surely the suspension of campaigning favours which ever said is ahead?

Indeed. Which tells you what each sides private polling is showing.

If Remain were truly behind, they'd be campaigning this weekend and Leave wouldn't.

Yeah right

TSE psyops

Ignore.

JohnO said:

RobD said:

JohnO said:

RobD said:

RodCrosby said:

IanB2 said:

RobD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.

PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.

FPTP is the best system.

Quite right

Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.

Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...

Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.

The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.

Spooky! The same share as the good lady herself in 79.

But Mrs T got more seats than Nasty Adolf.

As it should be.

GIN1138 said:

DanSmith said:

The Swedish euro referendum in 2003 is a reference point for what happens in this sort of situation.

What happened?

GIN1138 said:

DanSmith said:

The Swedish euro referendum in 2003 is a reference point for what happens in this sort of situation.

What happened?

Basically nothing. Result unaffected by it