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Sounds awfully like the Telegraph one. Perhaps that wasn't the Telegraph one?TheScreamingEagles said:
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Sorry, no idea what your talking about?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.BenedictWhite said:
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...Big_G_NorthWales said:
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!John_M said:
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.Moses_ said:
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.Charles said:
*could* not *will*...SeanT said:
is that it? PENSIONS WILL END IF BREXITTheScreamingEagles said:Here it comes, as predicted by me, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, if Leave haven't prepared for this, they are numpties
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/741723800987918336
Also, HEDGEHOGS
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?0 -
They are probably the same sample, just reported differentlyBenedictWhite said:This on twitter:
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/741739813859168256
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.0 -
The sort of stuff their media spouts about foreigners you wonder what it might do to young men's brains.SouthamObserver said:Russian fans are going to kill people during this tournament. Great news the World Cup is there in two years' time.
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I can see the headline Mr LHurstLlama said:
Cut the DfID budget?Monksfield said:
No, he's telling it how it is. How can we afford TV licenses and bus passes and triple locks if we end up with another major economic shock?Alanbrooke said:
so scaring pensioners now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.Moses_ said:
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.Charles said:
*could* not *will*...SeanT said:
is that it? PENSIONS WILL END IF BREXITTheScreamingEagles said:Here it comes, as predicted by me, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, if Leave haven't prepared for this, they are numpties
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/741723800987918336
Also, HEDGEHOGS
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
Cameron says he;d rather bash little old ladies than stop funding for dictators
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Yes they look like Dr Who fansviewcode said:
They own a Dalek. True fact.HYUFD said:
I assume not Peter Kellner and Baroness AshtonGIN1138 said:
I've known YouGov to go three times a night before now....TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there's a YouGov in The Sunday Times too.MikeL said:Is there also a YouGov in Sunday Times?
If so then two YouGovs on the same night?
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night
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I will vote leave and hope Cameron gets it.MarkHopkins said:0 -
Big fucking deal. Did they just do one set of field work? Baffled.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hodgson's number is up .... too old, too staid. Is now the time to back Eddie Howe on offer at 12/1 to succeed him?0
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At least you will not be sweating your gonads off in the 50 degrees of Qatar desert heart.FrancisUrquhart said:I think we can all see how the World Cup in Russia is going to play out...think it definitely one to give a miss.
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That's interesting. The problem with this referendum is that the bullsh*t has been turned up to 12 and the knob has been broken off.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov for Sunday Times:
Who is "scaremongering"?
41% think Remain have done more, 28% think leave have done more.0 -
Apparently two English fans fighting for their lives after being attacked.SouthamObserver said:Russian fans are going to kill people during this tournament. Great news the World Cup is there in two years' time.
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Ok i'll knock it in to the empty net.williamglenn said:
Europeans will be fearful of travelling to the nationalistic, isolationist backwaters on the fringes of the continent.BenedictWhite said:
It'll be a riot!TheScreamingEagles said:Apart from the mass doping and hooliganism, anyone else looking forward to the 2018 World Cup?
No, seriously, it will.
But Brexit U.K. isn't hosting the world cup.0 -
Very good, very quick and very cleverBenedictWhite said:
It'll be a riot!TheScreamingEagles said:Apart from the mass doping and hooliganism, anyone else looking forward to the 2018 World Cup?
No, seriously, it will.
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YouGov/Sun Tele was actually for Adam Smith Institute so I think this one (Sunday Times) must be a fresh poll but it's just happened to come out with exactly the same result...HYUFD said:
They are probably the same sample, just reported differentlyBenedictWhite said:This on twitter:
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/741739813859168256
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.0 -
I am saying it makes no sense. Why on earth would Leave voters back the Norway option when they want to cut immigration and stop contributing to the EU budget?BenedictWhite said:
Sorry, no idea what your talking about?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.BenedictWhite said:
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...Big_G_NorthWales said:
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!John_M said:
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.Moses_ said:
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.Charles said:
*could* not *will*...SeanT said:
is that it? PENSIONS WILL END IF BREXITTheScreamingEagles said:Here it comes, as predicted by me, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, if Leave haven't prepared for this, they are numpties
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/741723800987918336
Also, HEDGEHOGS
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
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i knew England would draw, swapping sides to Wales.0
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On another subject, I've recently finished John Campbell's mighty biography of Roy Jenkins. I think Nick Palmer may have commented on this book in the past. Anyway, it's a superb read and I commend it to everyone on this site. It is of course very topical on the subjects of Europe and the direction of the Labour Party.0
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Last post (you'll be pleased to know!). I would consign the triple lock to the dustbin of history if it would help sort this problem out:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/11/no-amount-of-eu-hysteria-can-bury-our-housing-crisis/
Night all0 -
Apparently has kicked off Nice as well.0
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So just about everyone thinks lying tory bastards.TheScreamingEagles said:
How's that good for the Conservatives or indeed politcs in general ?0 -
As opposed to an untrue fact?viewcode said:
They own a Dalek. True fact.HYUFD said:
I assume not Peter Kellner and Baroness AshtonGIN1138 said:
I've known YouGov to go three times a night before now....TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there's a YouGov in The Sunday Times too.MikeL said:Is there also a YouGov in Sunday Times?
If so then two YouGovs on the same night?
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night :
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Any more polls tonight or can we all retire to bed?0
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If Leave win, that is going to be the killer fact. More people believe immigration claims than economy claims.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
tyson said:
Very good, very quick and very cleverBenedictWhite said:
It'll be a riot!TheScreamingEagles said:Apart from the mass doping and hooliganism, anyone else looking forward to the 2018 World Cup?
No, seriously, it will.
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I see Cameron's exclusive interview in the Telegraph is also an exclusive interview in the Guardian.
Cameron - he speak with forked tongue.0 -
Russia may be nationalistic but the real problem is it is imperialistic. The two are often confused.0
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I just love the way those numbers don't add up.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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If like previous YouGovs it hasn't been turnout weighted, this is good news for Leave.0
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Did you and your piazza pals enjoy the Russian thugs attacking those little Englander families ?tyson said:
At least you will not be sweating your gonads off in the 50 degrees of Qatar desert heart.FrancisUrquhart said:I think we can all see how the World Cup in Russia is going to play out...think it definitely one to give a miss.
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I'm loving the overround too - did 3% of people think the economic claims had been overplayed but we're still true, and 6% that immigration claims were true and overplayed?Mortimer said:
If Leave win, that is going to be the killer fact. More people believe immigration claims than economy claims.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Your talking about the ASI survey?SouthamObserver said:
I am saying it makes no sense. Why on earth would Leave voters back the Norway option when they want to cut immigration and stop contributing to the EU budget?BenedictWhite said:
Sorry, no idea what your talking about?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.BenedictWhite said:
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...Big_G_NorthWales said:
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!John_M said:
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."Big_G_NorthWales said:
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.Moses_ said:
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.Charles said:
*could* not *will*...SeanT said:
is that it? PENSIONS WILL END IF BREXITTheScreamingEagles said:Here it comes, as predicted by me, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, PENSIONS, if Leave haven't prepared for this, they are numpties
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/741723800987918336
Also, HEDGEHOGS
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
Because that's what the ASI wanted to show?
That said EEA free movement isn't the same as EU free movement.0 -
A slavic empire?KentRising said:Russia may be nationalistic but the real problem is it is imperialistic. The two are often confused.
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He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
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As I said repeatedly last year - the Yougov sample is not the same as the UK, being full of highly opinionated people. Since the sample is now presumably fixed, to prevent attempted manipulation, it's results are now going to be fixed within a very small difference.GIN1138 said:
YouGov/Sun Tele was actually for Adam Smith Institute so I think this one (Sunday Times) must be a fresh poll but it's just happened to come out with exactly the same result...HYUFD said:
They are probably the same sample, just reported differentlyBenedictWhite said:This on twitter:
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/741739813859168256
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.0 -
Cameron is an absolute disgrace. He would rather cut pensions than foreign aid. Says where his priorities are.0
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I think that's your lot...peter_from_putney said:Any more polls tonight or can we all retire to bed?
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Not surprising - didn't Keynes hold several (contradictory) viewpoints at the same time.chestnut said:0 -
murali_s said:
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
Why do you bother ?
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Since our polls are a bit dull, here's the latest of a string of German polls showing the AfD on a slight decline. There was a row last week when a prominent AfD member said of a black German footballer that he admired his football but wouldn't want to live next to him.
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Que?MonikerDiCanio said:murali_s said:
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
Why do you bother ?0 -
Because the Labour ground game?MonikerDiCanio said:murali_s said:
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
Why do you bother ?0 -
Go to bed - Leave is currently at 3.25 on Betfair and 2/1 with many bookies on oddschecker.peter_from_putney said:Any more polls tonight or can we all retire to bed?
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I dread if the English get to Paris. Even though they seem to have been on receiving end on this occasion they seem to drawn such incidents. Sport and football is never worth this and to be honest if this continues the English team should either withdraw voluntarily or be officially instructed to withdraw.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently has kicked off Nice as well.
Same for the Russian team.0 -
He certainly doesn't seem to want to cut the £10 billion (net!) in foreign aid we give to the rest of the EU.MP_SE said:Cameron is an absolute disgrace. He would rather cut pensions than foreign aid. Says where his priorities are.
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You are right. And it is tragic that he has trashed his brand so comprehensively in this campaign.murali_s said:
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
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That's unkind.MonikerDiCanio said:
Did you and your piazza pals enjoy the Russian thugs attacking those little Englander families ?tyson said:
At least you will not be sweating your gonads off in the 50 degrees of Qatar desert heart.FrancisUrquhart said:I think we can all see how the World Cup in Russia is going to play out...think it definitely one to give a miss.
I think those thinking a Leaver will automatically be able to do a better job, due to not being a lying traitor etc, may find themselves surprised. Hopefully Boris or other will be better than expected.murali_s said:
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.steve_garner said:Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
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Yes exactly.Charles said:
As opposed to an untrue fact?viewcode said:
They own a Dalek. True fact.HYUFD said:
I assume not Peter Kellner and Baroness AshtonGIN1138 said:
I've known YouGov to go three times a night before now....TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there's a YouGov in The Sunday Times too.MikeL said:Is there also a YouGov in Sunday Times?
If so then two YouGovs on the same night?
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night :
Untrue fact as in remain propaganda... Boom Boom tish.0 -
Yes.Charles said:
As opposed to an untrue fact?viewcode said:
They own a Dalek. True fact.HYUFD said:
I assume not Peter Kellner and Baroness AshtonGIN1138 said:
I've known YouGov to go three times a night before now....TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there's a YouGov in The Sunday Times too.MikeL said:Is there also a YouGov in Sunday Times?
If so then two YouGovs on the same night?
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night :
It could have been worse. The original sentence had the words "...a prop Dalek. Not a real one, obviously..." before I realised that even by my standards that was overpedantic.0 -
Look at Ukraine and Georgia. Putin basically wants all those former Soviet satellites in the east back.FrankBooth said:
A slavic empire?KentRising said:Russia may be nationalistic but the real problem is it is imperialistic. The two are often confused.
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Russia and China are actual current empires as well. Both are expansionist also.KentRising said:Russia may be nationalistic but the real problem is it is imperialistic. The two are often confused.
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Thanks - I knew someone would do it!Sunil_Prasannan said:0
