Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.
Sorry, no idea what your talking about?
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
so scaring pensioners now.
No, he's telling it how it is. How can we afford TV licenses and bus passes and triple locks if we end up with another major economic shock?
Cut the DfID budget?
I can see the headline Mr L
Cameron says he;d rather bash little old ladies than stop funding for dictators
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.
They are probably the same sample, just reported differently
YouGov/Sun Tele was actually for Adam Smith Institute so I think this one (Sunday Times) must be a fresh poll but it's just happened to come out with exactly the same result...
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.
Sorry, no idea what your talking about?
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
I am saying it makes no sense. Why on earth would Leave voters back the Norway option when they want to cut immigration and stop contributing to the EU budget?
On another subject, I've recently finished John Campbell's mighty biography of Roy Jenkins. I think Nick Palmer may have commented on this book in the past. Anyway, it's a superb read and I commend it to everyone on this site. It is of course very topical on the subjects of Europe and the direction of the Labour Party.
If Leave win, that is going to be the killer fact. More people believe immigration claims than economy claims.
I'm loving the overround too - did 3% of people think the economic claims had been overplayed but we're still true, and 6% that immigration claims were true and overplayed?
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.
Sorry, no idea what your talking about?
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
I am saying it makes no sense. Why on earth would Leave voters back the Norway option when they want to cut immigration and stop contributing to the EU budget?
Your talking about the ASI survey?
Because that's what the ASI wanted to show?
That said EEA free movement isn't the same as EU free movement.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.
They are probably the same sample, just reported differently
YouGov/Sun Tele was actually for Adam Smith Institute so I think this one (Sunday Times) must be a fresh poll but it's just happened to come out with exactly the same result...
As I said repeatedly last year - the Yougov sample is not the same as the UK, being full of highly opinionated people. Since the sample is now presumably fixed, to prevent attempted manipulation, it's results are now going to be fixed within a very small difference.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
Since our polls are a bit dull, here's the latest of a string of German polls showing the AfD on a slight decline. There was a row last week when a prominent AfD member said of a black German footballer that he admired his football but wouldn't want to live next to him.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and win you an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
I dread if the English get to Paris. Even though they seem to have been on receiving end on this occasion they seem to drawn such incidents. Sport and football is never worth this and to be honest if this continues the English team should either withdraw voluntarily or be officially instructed to withdraw.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
You are right. And it is tragic that he has trashed his brand so comprehensively in this campaign.
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
He's by far the most talented person in the Tory party and won an election against all odds. An alternative Tory leader would have led to Ed Milliband being PM. Simples.
I think those thinking a Leaver will automatically be able to do a better job, due to not being a lying traitor etc, may find themselves surprised. Hopefully Boris or other will be better than expected.
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night
I've known YouGov to go three times a night before now.... :
I assume not Peter Kellner and Baroness Ashton
They own a Dalek. True fact.
As opposed to an untrue fact?
Yes.
It could have been worse. The original sentence had the words "...a prop Dalek. Not a real one, obviously..." before I realised that even by my standards that was overpedantic.
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Confused.
We had a get out for not bailing out Greece and still had to. Do you think if Italy goes down we get off scot free if we are in the EU?
Cameron says he;d rather bash little old ladies than stop funding for dictators
should go down well at the Mail and Telegraph
But Brexit U.K. isn't hosting the world cup.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/11/no-amount-of-eu-hysteria-can-bury-our-housing-crisis/
Night all
How's that good for the Conservatives or indeed politcs in general ?
Cameron - he speak with forked tongue.
55+49?????
Because that's what the ASI wanted to show?
That said EEA free movement isn't the same as EU free movement.
Why do you bother ?
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/emnid.htm
Same for the Russian team.
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
Untrue fact as in remain propaganda... Boom Boom tish.
It could have been worse. The original sentence had the words "...a prop Dalek. Not a real one, obviously..." before I realised that even by my standards that was overpedantic.