Looks like this is the poll in The Telegraph, says Leave on 42, doesn't give a Remain figure
British voters have voiced their overwhelming support for a “Norway-style” arrangement in the event of a decision to leave the European Union that would ensure that the UK could retain its access to the single market.
A new poll, commissioned by the Adam Smith Institute think tank has revealed that support for a deal along the lines of the Nordic country’s relationship with the continental bloc outweighs opposition by two-to-one.
Vote Leave should have done some polling before ruling out EEA+EFTA.
WTF. How would 99% of voters grasp a bunch of initials they had never heard of?
I have never had any trouble explaining it to Remainers and undecideds. Most are completely unaware it is possible to retain access to the single market and also have an emergency brake on immigration that can be triggered unilaterally. It could be sold as maintaining free trade whilst opting out of political union.
Anything can be explained to people during a discussion. But most people make gut decisions based off very brief information, and as pages like these demonstrate, more information sometimes only confuses matters (I've seen plenty of debates on that topic and get muddled by it). Many people think for instance EU nationals may be expelled starting from June 24th - there is no way such a thing is happening, but people believe it, good luck getting people to understand EEA and EFTA en masse when such a thing is harder to explain than that we're not about to immediately expel people.
Just had a very nice boozy, birthday lunch in Soho with about 40 people, mostly middle aged London professionals, but some others, too - a fireman, for instance.
Consensus, they are voting REMAIN - but they think LEAVE will now win. And they understand why ("it's not just about money"). More were LEAVERS than I expected.
As a LEAVER I was quite heartened as I left, but then I walked home through a very prosperous, happy London, full of foreigners spending money in our bars, restaurants, shops and theatres and I got a sudden shiver of doubt: are we about to destroy this money-making machine, that is London?
I'm still LEAVE, I still think REMAIN will win, and I am fearful of both outcomes, to be honest.
Singapore seems to work rather well. The capital will be fine; no other European city comes close.
There I agree, London is now the greatest city in Europe by a distance. Paris is not playing in the same league, Berlin is a village in comparison. Even New York struggles to match London.
This is a revolution from when I first arrived in a kind-of-grand, but obviously tired, faded, post imperial city, with a declining population, in 1981.
Are we about to fuck this up?
I am LEAVE, but I have significant concerns.
Sean, it's difficult to know how to phrase this without coming across like a pretentious tosser, so bear with me
My family has a fairly unique relationship with London - it represents one of the three pillars that the entire edifice rests (the others being Dawlish and Gasper). Our entire sense of being and function in life is to serve London, its people and its community (as one of my cousins put it in the 1920s 'God has been good to our family in that we have been asked to serve in a role which is not unpleasant and where we can be of quiet assistance to people').
We would do nothing to risk the continued success of London as a world city. And yet all of the partners have now voted for Leave, as have most of the rest of the family (it's only the French branch that has been grumpy).
London will survive and London will flourish. It always does, and always will. And we will still be there to do our bit.
Wow. Are you trying to win the world championships in arrogance, grandiloquence AND pretentiousness?
If so, congrats!
PS I think you're a great poster, but please think how you sound.
He sounds fine to me thanks.
Agreed. Those of us who have been around PB long enough have come to realise Charles' family move in rather exalted circles within the City. I take his comments as a simple statement of fact rather than any kind of pretension.
Ordinarily excellent poster, but that particular comment was quite ridiculous. He's entitled to think it, it may be true, but it will strike most people as very odd to eulogise your own family to outsiders like that.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
There was a cut back in state pensions by at least one country in the EU. Funny that. They stayed in the EU in recent years and after the recession they cut state pensions and other state benefits. That country is Ireland.
This may not be entirely a 'last throw of the dice' thing. If Mr Cameron/Mr Osborne are starting to think Leave may win this, they might also be pushing this line to soften up us oldies for a change in tack, which would be useful whether it's Remain or Leave.
I think there's no doubt the retired have been let off lightly - although when you consider the very frail poor who need far more care than is paid for, that would have a strange sound.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
Off topic, I asked awhile back on travel advice, but ran into trouble renewing my passport (now resolved) and not wanting to make plans for the summer before I had it, have probably missed my chance for good summer plans.
Any suggestions for a decent locale for an autumnal getaway? Areas of historical interest in particular? Money's no object, unless we're talking tens of thousands. I had been thinking Russia when planning for the summer.
Portugal. Never mind the Algarve, start in Lisbon - more history than you can shake a stick at, really good grub, lovely architecture and very nice people. You also have Sintra nearby and of course the coastal railway out to Estoril and Cascais via the old Portuguese Llama homestead at Carcavelos.
There is enough there to keep you going for at least a week. However I do recommend that you head North. Get a car and drift up through the region around Coimbra (the city itself is worth a couple of days and between there and the coast is my favourite bit of Portugal). Then carry on heading North to Oporto - again a place just dripping in history as well as fine booze. I have yet to meet an Englishman who arrived in Oporto and didn't fall in love with the place.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
Bollocks....it's what the pensioners make of it who have no idea what triple lock means let alone what it does. It's a scare tactic pure and simple. When you do that you have lost the argument.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
But are you objecting to the fact that the next PM should implement what the people voted for - which is to leave the EU
No. I've said repeatedly on here (well, at least twice) that a LEAVE vote should be followed by an Article 50 invocation ASAP, to avoid administrative chaos.
I think that's a somewhat naive interpretation. Vote LEAVE are running on a very clear prospectus: Leave EU, leave EEA, institute a points-based system, renegotiate relationships ad novum with every other country. If LEAVE win then that's a mandate for same.
Dan Hannan would disagree with you. As would BfB (which was the core of VoteLeave)
I'm sure they would. But I think Vote Leave have mutated out of their reach.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
Off topic, I asked awhile back on travel advice, but ran into trouble renewing my passport (now resolved) and not wanting to make plans for the summer before I had it, have probably missed my chance for good summer plans.
Any suggestions for a decent locale for an autumnal getaway? Areas of historical interest in particular? Money's no object, unless we're talking tens of thousands. I had been thinking Russia when planning for the summer.
Portugal. Never mind the Algarve, start in Lisbon - more history than you can shake a stick at, really good grub, lovely architecture and very nice people. You also have Sintra nearby and of course the coastal railway out to Estoril and Cascais via the old Portuguese Llama homestead at Carcavelos.
There is enough there to keep you going for at least a week. However I do recommend that you head North. Get a car and drift up through the region around Coimbra (the city itself is worth a couple of days and between there and the coast is my favourite bit of Portugal). Then carry on heading North to Oporto - again a place just dripping in history as well as fine booze. I have yet to meet an Englishman who arrived in Oporto and didn't fall in love with the place.
Thanks for suggestions all.
That being said, an odd time to get my passport with its 'European Union' bit on the front - will they have to reissue new covers for everyone in a few years?
Until now I've always been a Cameron supporter, and I think in many ways putting together and keeping together the Coalition is one of the most remarkable achievements in our political history. However, his campaign to stay in the EU has been appalling and his scaremongering over pensions is a new low, and one I would never have expected him to stoop to. The sooner he is gone the better. He has lost every iota of respect I ever had for him. As a die hard Tory supporter it pains me to write this post.
Is this the "significant" Sun Tele poll? Or Sunday Times?
YAWN
Telegraph one
Never trust someone hyping his poll!
Roland Smith has for a long time argued that EEA+EFTA should be the preferred option for leaving the EU. The poll is pretty significant as it shows which option people prefer.
The 42% quoted - is misleading, I think - the sentence is:-
He highlighted the 42pc of Britons who said they would vote for Brexit, and also believed that EFTA membership should be considered, against 45pc of leavers who said it should not.
So that means that 42% of Brexit voters suggest EFTA and 45% of Brexit voters consider something else.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
I was struck by his omission of the overseas aid budget from potential cuts. Cameron's priorities are just wrong, I'm sorry to say.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
so scaring pensioners now.
No, he's telling it how it is. How can we afford TV licenses and bus passes and triple locks if we end up with another major economic shock?
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
Bollocks....it's what the pensioners make of it who have no idea what triple lock means let alone what it does. It's a scare tactic pure and simple. When you do that you have lost the argument.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...
Is this the "significant" Sun Tele poll? Or Sunday Times?
YAWN
Telegraph one
Never trust someone hyping his poll!
Roland Smith has for a long time argued that EEA+EFTA should be the preferred option for leaving the EU. The poll is pretty significant as it shows which option people prefer.
Do they?
What was the precise question wording and the options given?
This is a classic example of potentially asking a leading question and people just saying Yes to something that sounds OK.
Is this the "significant" Sun Tele poll? Or Sunday Times?
YAWN
Telegraph one
Never trust someone hyping his poll!
Roland Smith has for a long time argued that EEA+EFTA should be the preferred option for leaving the EU. The poll is pretty significant as it shows which option people prefer.
One poll, which could be dodgy for all we know, being pushed by conservative libertarians.
...are we about to destroy this money-making machine, that is London?...
No. You're just going to take London out of one its largest financial markets, disrupt the inflow of cheap workers which underpin rapid construction, institute an immigration system that's command planning at its finest, and crash the currency. Simultaneously. Why would you possibly think that?
Parenthetically, do you know why Chernobyl went boom? They decided to see what would happen if they raised the temperature of the core without the safety systems in place. And then they found out...
You left out WW3 and the plague of frogs or have those fears been dropped?
How about higher wages, lower prices, more affordable housing, less crowded schools, easier GP & NHS access?
...are we about to destroy this money-making machine, that is London?...
No. You're just going to take London out of one its largest financial markets, disrupt the inflow of cheap workers which underpin rapid construction, institute an immigration system that's command planning at its finest, and crash the currency. Simultaneously. Why would you possibly think that?
Parenthetically, do you know why Chernobyl went boom? They decided to see what would happen if they raised the temperature of the core without the safety systems in place. And then they found out...
You left out WW3 and the plague of frogs or have those fears been dropped?
How about higher wages, lower prices, more affordable housing, less crowded schools, easier GP & NHS access?
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
If Brexit means getting rid of the triple lock then suddenly I'm interested. The triple lock is one of the worst economic policies made by a British Government in the last 20 years
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
I was struck by his omission of the overseas aid budget from potential cuts. Cameron's priorities are just wrong, I'm sorry to say.
I don't disagree on foreign aid cut backs but David Cameron is coming from the view that the economy will be hit and that the triple lock is certainly one that has been exempt from any cuts. I also object in the strongest manner to leave supporters abuse and the idiotic 'shame on you' comment. I do not need this abuse and am leaving the site for a short period and hope when I return all differing views will be respected. Good night
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
so scaring pensioners now.
No, he's telling it how it is. How can we afford TV licenses and bus passes and triple locks if we end up with another major economic shock?
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
I was struck by his omission of the overseas aid budget from potential cuts. Cameron's priorities are just wrong, I'm sorry to say.
I don't disagree on foreign aid cut backs but David Cameron is coming from the view that the economy will be hit and that the triple lock is certainly one that has been exempt from any cuts. I also object in the strongest manner to leave supporters abuse and the idiotic 'shame on you' comment. I do not need this abuse and am leaving the site for a short period and hope when I return all differing views will be respected. Good night
I took the "shame on you" remark to be aimed at Mr Cameron rather than your good self Mr G. We do try and keep things civil on here. Goodnight.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
They don't cover what happens if we stay and have to bail out places like Italy and how we will then not be able to afford pensions...
Yep, ridiculous: continuing contribution to EU budget, no meaningful reduction in immigration and acceptance of most EU laws with no say in their framing. A great fig leaf for a Tory Leaver climbdown post-vote, though.
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
so scaring pensioners now.
No, he's telling it how it is. How can we afford TV licenses and bus passes and triple locks if we end up with another major economic shock?
No he isn't he;s just making it up as he goes along.
If we can afford to throw £10bn a year down the toilet at DfID so Cameron can jolly about as Dame Bountiful then we can stop and afford to pay our oldies instead
Indeed but even Remains inference of the removal of someone's pension is an evil wicked ploy by to play on the old and vulnerable.
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
He is not talking about pensioners losing their pension. He is saying that if the economy is adversely affected the triple lock could come under pressure.
"So here is the reality: if we leave, the pensioner benefits would be under threat, and the Triple Lock could no longer be guaranteed in the long term."
No different to the Bank of England and IFS warnings but then who are they!!
I was struck by his omission of the overseas aid budget from potential cuts. Cameron's priorities are just wrong, I'm sorry to say.
I don't disagree on foreign aid cut backs but David Cameron is coming from the view that the economy will be hit and that the triple lock is certainly one that has been exempt from any cuts. I also object in the strongest manner to leave supporters abuse and the idiotic 'shame on you' comment. I do not need this abuse and am leaving the site for a short period and hope when I return all differing views will be respected. Good night
Bye!
Scare threats to pensions and pensioners... an appalling approach by Remain.
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"Labour MPs are very nervous about what the canvas returns in their own areas are telling them. It is running 70-30 for Brexit in some seats, I’m told.
“What I am most struck by is Labour MPs’ gloom about the big northern cities,” says one Cabinet minister closely involved with the In campaign."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1265595/pm-must-heed-the-godfather-over-ill-judged-hatred-of-boris-johnson/
Here we are.
Cameron: Vote Leave or the pension gets it.
Anyhow, Russia just drowned out this post...
Remain really really are in complete panic because this would never have been said had they felt anywhere near winning. I am starting to agree with others on here. They think or perhaps know they are going to lose. They had the NHS the other day being destroyed because of Brexit , now pensions they are just going for all the soft targets. What next Brexit and we kill all your first born with pitchforks.
Cameron is so fucked now whatever the result happens to be. He is going to end up being he more hated than Blair or Brown and I never thought possible ever. The other big danger of course is that Remainers will also never be forgiven because they as directly associated with these remarks and even cheering them on.
Leave 43%
Remain 42%
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/741734033642663936?lang=en-gb
A pair of teams that constantly flatter to deceive and whose best players play for Belgium or Brazil.
How on earth is Vardy being overlooked?
I think there's no doubt the retired have been let off lightly - although when you consider the very frail poor who need far more care than is paid for, that would have a strange sound.
There is enough there to keep you going for at least a week. However I do recommend that you head North. Get a car and drift up through the region around Coimbra (the city itself is worth a couple of days and between there and the coast is my favourite bit of Portugal). Then carry on heading North to Oporto - again a place just dripping in history as well as fine booze. I have yet to meet an Englishman who arrived in Oporto and didn't fall in love with the place.
'WALES'
Shame on you shame on you!!
[Edit: remove the flimflammery]
That being said, an odd time to get my passport with its 'European Union' bit on the front - will they have to reissue new covers for everyone in a few years?
He highlighted the 42pc of Britons who said they would vote for Brexit, and also believed that EFTA membership should be considered, against 45pc of leavers who said it should not.
So that means that 42% of Brexit voters suggest EFTA and 45% of Brexit voters consider something else.
Nothing about how MANY are bexiters.
What was the precise question wording and the options given?
This is a classic example of potentially asking a leading question and people just saying Yes to something that sounds OK.
If so then two YouGovs on the same night?
YouGov taking over the universe!!!!!!
Right, that's it. Logging off for the evening.
G'night.
Not the first time we've had two YouGovs in the same night
No, seriously, it will.
**confused**
If we can afford to throw £10bn a year down the toilet at DfID so Cameron can jolly about as Dame Bountiful then we can stop and afford to pay our oldies instead
It's simply a question of priorities.
Really this is just pure bollocks.
Who is "scaremongering"?
41% think Remain have done more, 28% think leave have done more.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/741739813859168256
Same as the other Yougov poll, slight swing to leave.
Scare threats to pensions and pensioners... an appalling approach by Remain.