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brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

Really? Well, still get out and vote... Please.

I think I'll back remain now can't have these halfwits running the country.

The halfwits running the country are the REMAIN camp

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

Really? Well, still get out and vote... Please.

I think I'll back remain now can't have these halfwits running the country.

You are Dr Sarah and I claim my £5...

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

Really? Well, still get out and vote... Please.

I think I'll back remain now can't have these halfwits running the country.

Really? Even if it's 100% for Leave, we will still have the same civil servants, and a Tory government.

Nigel Farage will never run a government department.

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

I've PM'd you.

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

Sorry to hear that nunu. I understand how you feel and thank you for your efforts.

I speak as someone who delivered 2,000 leaflets in his own area for not dissimilar reasons.

My best advice would be to hook up with a friend or pb'er who knows what's going on, and is well-tapped in to a campaign local to you.

Just pop in occasionally the days as it is so reminiscent of SINDY, probably end the same way. Outers = SNP

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

Alanbrooke said:

Just thinking of all those Scots drinking vodka and cheering on Russia.

We Putin-loving Little Englanders are feeling so conflicted....

Nah, it's just like the English football hooligans of the 80s who used to chant 'You'd be Krauts if it wasn't for us' whilst simultaneously performing Nazi salutes

If they were hooliganing in France, they sort of had a point?

There's quite a bit in that Opinium poll to give Leave encouragement.

The raw, unweighted figures break 40% Remain, 46% Leave. Weighting changes a 6% Leave lead into a 2% Remain lead. Significant weighting includes: UKIP voters reduced by 23%, 18-34s increased by 58%, C2DEs increased by 28%. Reweighting on this scale is never a good sign, and always makes me wonder whether the reweighting scheme itself might be exaggerating shifts from the raw results.

There appears to be no turnout filter. Yet only 59% of 18-34s declare themselves 10/10 certain to vote, compared to 88% of 65+. On 10/10 certainty to vote only, Leave have a lead of 48% to 44%. So turnout changes a 2% Remain lead to a 4% Leave lead.

Remain can take some encouragement that the headline results do not include responses to the "Nudge" question, where Remain has a slight lead which would add 1.5% to Remain's margin if they all voted. But only 43% of the DKs declare themselves 10/10 certain to vote, so the effect is going to be much more marginal.



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nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

Really? Well, still get out and vote... Please.

I think I'll back remain now can't have these halfwits running the country.

If Leave win Cameron is still running the country.

No amount of REMAIN propaganda is going to shift me from voting LEAVE on June 23rd!

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Hmmm

personally I've been surprised at people I thought were definite remainers saying they'll vote Leave and vice versa. In the discussions Ive been involved in the two sides just speak another language. Remain is all about money and Leave is about a wide range of issues and the two sides struggle to find any common ground.

I don't say TSE is wrong, but I think a big problem with that thesis is that the voting coalition for Remain is totally different from that which delivered a Tory victory, and people are voting on democracy /sovereignty /immigration /NHS /identity, as well as the economy, this time. The GE was basically on best PM + economy v. NHS + austerity.

Besides which, we should avoid the myth making of GE2015. The polls were out but only by 3-4% either way - e.g. 34/34 turned into 30-37.

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Yes obviously economy is the most important thing. Although it should be noted plenty of people voted UKIP and Labour at the last election, unlikely economy is the most important thing for these people.

Netflix appears to have made an error:
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/741694094066483201

Though to be fair those uniforms designed by Hugo Boss do look a little... well...

SandyRentool said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

BenedictWhite said:

nunu said:

I give up trying to campaign for the various Leave campaigns. They can't even organise a fucking poster through the post. Just came back from a wasted two hour journey trying to meet people for canvassing. Fuck it Remain will win this, Leave couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Tried phoning, e-mailing etc but nothing from Vote leave, Labour Leave etc.

Can't be fucked to vote if these lot are so crap, do we want them running the country? No.
Sad really as I am staunchy leave aswell. I wonder who else has had similar experiences to mine.

The fact that your local organiser is disorganised isn't a reason to give up.

its not one "organiser" i've tried the different Leave groups-all shit.

Really? Well, still get out and vote... Please.

I think I'll back remain now can't have these halfwits running the country.

If Leave win Cameron is still running the country.

For a few hours, at least...

Have just been to get a takeaway and passed a Vote Leave poster, a Labour Remain poster and a LD In poster

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

FWIW, I think people vote on different factors in referenda vs elections

BenedictWhite said:

Netflix appears to have made an error:
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/741694094066483201

Though to be fair those uniforms designed by Hugo Boss do look a little... well...

And goose-stepping is SO musical theatre....

Alanbrooke said:

DanSmith said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Yes obviously economy is the most important thing. Although it should be noted plenty of people voted UKIP and Labour at the last election, unlikely economy is the most important thing for these people.

But this is an either \ or vote. 63% of the country voted against the Conservative pitch on the economy.

And Cameron needs a big chunk of that 63% to line up behind him. What could possibly go wrong?

ThreeQuidder said:

Apparently I do need to keep reminding people that this isn't an election, so Leave won't be running the country if they win.

Quite. Not only are we taking a risk if we vote Leave, we are entrusting the management of the departure to...we have *no idea* whom.

I'm sure people will find that reassuring.

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Hmmm

personally I've been surprised at people I thought were definite remainers saying they'll vote Leave and vice versa. In the discussions Ive been involved in the two sides just speak another language. Remain is all about money and Leave is about a wide range of issues and the two sides struggle to find any common ground.

I canvassed the granddaughter of West Indian immigrants in a very working class part of Sheffield she said

'I'm tempted to vote Leave, there's far too many Roma layabouts and Europeans taking jobs from us Brits in Sheffield. But if they get rid of them, then Farage will start blaming me for the all problems in the country, so I'm voting Remain, plus its bad for the economy leaving'

NickPalmer said:

ThreeQuidder said:

Apparently I do need to keep reminding people that this isn't an election, so Leave won't be running the country if they win.

Quite. Not only are we taking a risk if we vote Leave, we are entrusting the management of the departure to...we have *no idea* whom.

I'm sure people will find that reassuring.

Actually I find it more reassuring than knowing you are at the helm, Nobody could quite fk up the economy the way you did last time. Not even Osborne.

marke09 said:

All these English soccer fans singing about Leaving the EU - how many of them remembered to post their ballot papers before going out there

They'll be back before June 23. Most of the trouble makers won't have tickets.

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Interesting, thanks.

Yes that is my big fear.

According to Opinium Labour voters back Remain 63% to 28% and Tory voters back Remain 46% to 43%. UKIP voters back Leave 93% to 5%, LDs Remain 58% to 22%, Green voters Remain 71% to 25% and SNP voters Remain 47% to 39%. It looks on that basis that the key swing voters are Tory and SNP voters!

http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_07_06_16.pdf

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Hmmm

personally I've been surprised at people I thought were definite remainers saying they'll vote Leave and vice versa. In the discussions Ive been involved in the two sides just speak another language. Remain is all about money and Leave is about a wide range of issues and the two sides struggle to find any common ground.

I canvassed the granddaughter of West Indian immigrants in a very working class part of Sheffield she said

'I'm tempted to vote Leave, there's far too many Roma layabouts and Europeans taking jobs from us Brits in Sheffield. But if they get rid of them, then Farage will start blaming me for the all problems in the country, so I'm voting Remain, plus its bad for the economy leaving'

Nowt queer as folk.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Hmmm

personally I've been surprised at people I thought were definite remainers saying they'll vote Leave and vice versa. In the discussions Ive been involved in the two sides just speak another language. Remain is all about money and Leave is about a wide range of issues and the two sides struggle to find any common ground.

I canvassed the granddaughter of West Indian immigrants in a very working class part of Sheffield she said

'I'm tempted to vote Leave, there's far too many Roma layabouts and Europeans taking jobs from us Brits in Sheffield. But if they get rid of them, then Farage will start blaming me for the all problems in the country, so I'm voting Remain, plus its bad for the economy leaving'

It always makes me wonder how the home grown gypsies react to the latest influx of Roma, I can see that being a bit of a bear pit,

MTimT said:

I missed this nugget a couple of weeks ago:

"UK oil and gas production generated negative receipts in 2015-16 of -£24m, compared with +£2.15bn the year before. Petroleum Revenue Tax (PRT) revenue was -£562m, following refunds to companies, while corporation tax revenue fell by 74% over the year to £538m."

What does this do to the prospects of the SNP pushing for SindyRef2 if Brexit wins?

They point out Osborne farked the North Sea tax regime, first with his ludicrous and heavily criticised tax raid and then with his panicked overly generous tax breaks a few years later.

Charles said:

It took me several moths to get an event organised...

Ah, Sir Moth Wrangler! At last we meet on the field of battle! But can you defeat my RED ADMIRAL? Ah, the atalanta, surely the most savage of butterflies...

RoyalBlue said:

HYUFD said:

Have just been to get a takeaway and passed a Vote Leave poster, a Labour Remain poster and a LD In poster

Are you in London?

No, Epping. This afternoon we also had the Vote Leave battlebus in the High Street and IDS and Carswell

Gary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker 46m46 minutes ago

You can talk about police provocation, or other fans causing trouble, but it only seems to happen where the English go.

peter_from_putney said:

HYUFD said:

Have just been to get a takeaway and passed a Vote Leave poster, a Labour Remain poster and a LD In poster

Grab hold of that LD poster .... it could be worth money before too long.

Yes, could be collectors items anything to do with the lesser spotted LD!

HYUFD said:

RoyalBlue said:

HYUFD said:

Have just been to get a takeaway and passed a Vote Leave poster, a Labour Remain poster and a LD In poster

Are you in London?

This afternoon we ... had the Vote Leave battlebus in ... IDS and Carswell

That sounds quite painful!

Concanvasser said:

Delivering today. I rather liked our leaflet. It was styled to look like a government information pamphlet giving the facts, which is what people have been asking for. Clever, although too thin to easily push through letter boxes, especially if you hear a dog on the inside.

Hand on heart I have never been part of a better organised or more cheerful campaign. Sorry that hass not been evergones experience. Our town has had two Leave leaflets hand delivered to every single road with canvassing being undertaken by many of the local Councillors (Cons).

Lady Emily would have hated delivering my patch (middle class owner occupiers detached and semis) lots of st Georges flags.

The football patriotism and royal celebrations certainly arent doing Leave any harm and the flags are cheerful and help feed a positive patriotic mood.

Petersfield got mentioned as somewhere Remain were putting in an effort. I have strong links with the town and know it well. Leave will take it with a very healthy majority.

That was me. I think I just happen to live in an area where Leave isn't particularly well organised.

That said, St. George's and Union Flags are all over the place here, and I saw two (new) Vote Leave posters on the bypass today.

Piss-poor set pieces from England. You should not be seriously overhitting corners....

HYUFD said:

RoyalBlue said:

HYUFD said:

Have just been to get a takeaway and passed a Vote Leave poster, a Labour Remain poster and a LD In poster

Are you in London?

No, Epping. This afternoon we also had the Vote Leave battlebus in the High Street and IDS and Carswell

I'm amazed there's any sign of life in Remain in Essex at all!

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

brokenwheel said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How the undecideds are breaking (from Opinium)

Lean more towards the UK REMAINING in the EU 17%

Undecided but more likely to vote REMAIN than LEAVE 22%

Undecided but more likely to vote LEAVE than REMAIN 23%

Lean more towards the UK LEAVING the EU 4%

So that's 39% of Undecideds moving to Remain and 27% towards Leave

And now give us the figures before tbe weighting adustments (you know, tbe ones that had leave eight points ahead)

Youve lost and you know it.

Don't talk dribble.

But I do love the complacency of Leavers.

How is the canvassing going?

Good, I think more people are getting engaged with it.

I think it backs up the polling, Brexit is seen as a risk/bad for the economy.

A majority of people won't vote for that.

Is like the 2015 GE polling, neck and neck but the supplementaries showed Ed Miliband/Labour would be bad for the economy and personally for the voters.

Interesting, thanks.

Yes that is my big fear.

As an aside, it's not a line we're pushing, but we're finding quite a number of people thinking Brexit = Forced Deportations. Probably about 65% opposed, 35% in favour of such a policy.

I hope you're pointing out that neither are we.

Sean_F said:

viewcode said:

Sean_F said:

tyson said:

MarqueeMark said:

MTimT said:

I see the European teams are doing well in the football. Wonder what this does for the Euref?

I would go so far as to say a European team could win it....

I tell you if Remain can use these horrible images from Marseille being stoked by Brexit insular nationalism then this could provide the pivotal moment.

If I was Brexit I wouldn't like my cause to be chanted by these mindless hooligans. But there again, at Brexit's heart lies a dark racism so I doubt very much that they can disassociate themselves from it.

You're right Tyson. We are the British version of the Sturmabteilung. Boris Johnson will deliver a speech at Wembley finishing with "Now People rise up, and let the Storm break loose!"

And then, we'll be coming for you.

You know those situations when you think you're being funny but when you look back on it you realise it actually comes across as a bit psychotic?...

I enjoy answering paranoia with absurd hyperbole.

Vladimir: That passed the time.
Estragon: It would have passed in any case.
Vladimir: Yes, but not so rapidly.

(Waiting for Godot, Sam Beckett (no, not that one), 1952)

Walker is having an excellent game. Sterling not so much. But this is good to watch.

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is an impressive poster

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/741715414439317505

it is a lie ofcourse since we have a massive trade deficit with the E.U.

DavidL said:

Walker is having an excellent game. Sterling not so much. But this is good to watch.

Could be Alli's tournament. Fantastic.

TheScreamingEagles said:

This is an impressive poster

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/741715414439317505

Young in Europe - Out of Work - would be the rejoiner.

Remain need to be more positive - no sign of Dave's sunkissed uplands.

Luckyguy1983 said:

viewcode said:

Sean_F said:

tyson said:

MarqueeMark said:

MTimT said:

I see the European teams are doing well in the football. Wonder what this does for the Euref?

I would go so far as to say a European team could win it....

I tell you if Remain can use these horrible images from Marseille being stoked by Brexit insular nationalism then this could provide the pivotal moment.

If I was Brexit I wouldn't like my cause to be chanted by these mindless hooligans. But there again, at Brexit's heart lies a dark racism so I doubt very much that they can disassociate themselves from it.

You're right Tyson. We are the British version of the Sturmabteilung. Boris Johnson will deliver a speech at Wembley finishing with "Now People rise up, and let the Storm break loose!"

And then, we'll be coming for you.

You know those situations when you think you're being funny but when you look back on it you realise it actually comes across as a bit psychotic?...

Don't be too hard on yourself, not all your posts are like that.

I think the traditional response to that rejoinder is "...and so's your mum!". Ah, primary school banter,...

Interesting news from Up North in the Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636164/Revenge-betrayed-Abandoned-metropolitan-political-elite-lives-utterly-changed-mass-migration-Labour-s-northern-heartlands-swing-Brexit.html?

Not saying you should bank on it, but interesting how Brexit many parts seem to be.

Scott_P said:

peter_from_putney said:

Any news of PtP for that matter .... another PB.com stalwart of10 years + standing, who appears to have disappeared ..... out of character and worrying.

Emailed last week. Busy elsewhere. At his country estate for the summer.

Thanks for that info ..... good news.