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What a kick up the arse that'd be for Labour!Tykejohnno said:
I'll say it again - Wow Ukip if the YouGov poll is right.Danny565 said:
Are there raw-vote figures too?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think there's a good case to be made that Italy has always been the true epicentre of European cuisine.SeanT said:
Italy is now, unquestionably, a much more appealing destination in terms of food and wine, from top to bottom.tyson said:I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)
I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.
For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.
Or you could go somewhere else. Why?
France is still much better organised though, and the French have worked on their manners even as they've forgotten how to cook.
Also Corsica. Corsica is what France used to be. Surly, grumpy, but fucking beautiful and impossibly seductive and blessed with tremendous home made food. The last redoubt of Frenchness is the half Italian isle of Le Corse. Discuss.
(That's to say, I think there are two truly great world centres of food. One is in Europe, the other South-east Asia. There's lots of brilliant food from elsewhere but those are the places, above all, where humans have really understood how to cook. For my money the pinnacle in Europe is Italy.)0 -
Any sign of a London on-the-day YouGov? I was part of that.
Today is going to be the first election night in at least a decade that I haven't stayed up late for results. Not important enough to take the Friday off work as I did last year (and before that I did years of shift work). Weird feeling.0 -
You're going to the wrong placesSeanT said:
It's simply not true any more, tho. Most French bistros now serve reheated frozen food.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11533010/French-restaurants-are-just-re-heating-factory-food-chef-claims.html
I take no pleasure in this. I used to love going to France and anticipating the food. After this trip, which cements in place an uneasy impression that I'd already formed, I will never do that again. Sad.0 -
At least. Labour could lose all the seats they're defending. Usually their safest ward is Bolehall but last year their majority there was down to 125 votes.another_richard said:
Likely to three or four Con gains from Labour there ?AndyJS said:Tamworth is usually one of the first councils to declare seats:
https://twitter.com/TamworthCouncil
http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2012/330/0 -
I kept looking at his Dr Sexy hair. Are there many Jews in Scotland?FrancisUrquhart said:Daily record guy on sky thinks labour done really badly in Scotland. Says the antisemitism stuff gone down really badly in parts of Scotland.
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I have to disagree, though my visits to France have been confined to Normandy and the old battlefields - so the rest of France might be very different. Yes, the people are friendly, but overall the standards of food is pretty dire. There are some absolute gems of course and we have found a few, but pull up at a random Normandy eatery for lunch or dinner and the chances are you'd get a better meal at a random English pub or restaurant.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
My neighbour, who is French (and so ought to know what he is talking about), was complaining about the state of French restaurant food only the other day. He told me that the French government are going to introduce a new law forcing restaurants to declare on the menu which dishes are bought-in boil-in-the-bag/microwave jobs. That the French government feels that such a law is necessary says a lot.0 -
@MartynMcL: Labour source at Glasgow #sp16 count already suggesting party may have lost every constituency in city.0
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@jamesmatthewsky: Early days, but the postal votes showing promise for Labour in Edinburgh Western. Michelle Thomson territory #sp16 @SkyNews0
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Reminds me of this classic Sun headline: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2381485/Gordon-Ramsays-posh-bistros-heat-up-cheap-food.htmlRoger said:
You're going to the wrong placesSeanT said:
It's simply not true any more, tho. Most French bistros now serve reheated frozen food.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11533010/French-restaurants-are-just-re-heating-factory-food-chef-claims.html
I take no pleasure in this. I used to love going to France and anticipating the food. After this trip, which cements in place an uneasy impression that I'd already formed, I will never do that again. Sad.0 -
That picture is wonderful!
At higher resolution, is it possible to read all the text on the posters?0 -
I had revolting - almost inedible stuff dished up in Dieppe. And at a variety of cafes. British stuff was more reliable in terms of higher quality.HurstLlama said:
I have to disagree, though my visits to France have been confined to Normandy and the old battlefields - so the rest of France might be very different. Yes, the people are friendly, but overall the standards of food is pretty dire. There are some absolute gems of course and we have found a few, but pull up at a random Normandy eatery for lunch or dinner and the chances are you'd get a better meal at a random English pub or restaurant.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
My neighbour, who is French (and so ought to know what he is talking about), was complaining about the state of French restaurant food only the other day. He told me that the French government are going to introduce a new law forcing restaurants to declare on the menu which dishes are bought-in boil-in-the-bag/microwave jobs. That the French government feels that such a law is necessary says a lot.0 -
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The Eastwood constituency, to the south of Glasgow.Plato_Says said:
I kept looking at his Dr Sexy hair. Are there many Jews in Scotland?FrancisUrquhart said:Daily record guy on sky thinks labour done really badly in Scotland. Says the antisemitism stuff gone down really badly in parts of Scotland.
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@steve_hawkes: Labour aides reporting a "car crash" of a day in Glasgow0
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BBC was suggesting it's close between LD and SNP in EdWestScott_P said:
@jamesmatthewsky: Early days, but the postal votes showing promise for Labour in Edinburgh Western. Michelle Thomson territory #sp16 @SkyNews
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If Labour have done shite in Sheffield, then I wonder what's happened in Rotherham.
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Groundhog day from 2015.Scott_P said:@MartynMcL: Labour source at Glasgow #sp16 count already suggesting party may have lost every constituency in city.
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Many thanks - great shame about Barnet electoral roll eff-up. The irony of Jews there being unable to vote against Labour...another_richard said:
The Eastwood constituency, to the south of Glasgow.Plato_Says said:
I kept looking at his Dr Sexy hair. Are there many Jews in Scotland?FrancisUrquhart said:Daily record guy on sky thinks labour done really badly in Scotland. Says the antisemitism stuff gone down really badly in parts of Scotland.
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@nickeardleybbc: Reports Labour do not expect to hold on to any constituencies in Glasgow tonight0
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But within sight of Corsica you have Sardegna.... The same landscape, probably better light, scenery. That turquoise sea. The beautiful people. Untouched, pristine beaches. Outside Cagliari, not a multi story hotel or building in site. Beautiful gardens,. Ichnusia beer. Vermentino wine. And the seafood.... The scoglio..... And the people are so friendly, and Anglophile.
For a seaside holiday, I could never, ever consider anywhere else...ever. I have to do 2 weeks in Sardinia every year. Mandatory. On a clear day, I can look across to Corsica mind and see just how beautiful that Island is too, but am just too happy, relaxed, chilled, fulfilled to be where I am. Being in Sardinia during summer...... it's like having a drip feed of E without any of the down effects.SeanT said:
Italy is now, unquestionably, a much more appealing destination in terms of food and wine, from top to bottom.tyson said:I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)
I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.
For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.
Or you could go somewhere else. Why?
France is still much better organised though, and the French have worked on their manners even as they've forgotten how to cook.
Also Corsica. Corsica is what France used to be. Surly, grumpy, but fucking beautiful and impossibly seductive and blessed with tremendous home made food. The last redoubt of Frenchness is the half Italian isle of Le Corse. Discuss.0 -
For the first time in five years I am not working on election night! Nothing to worry about. Nothing to do. Wahey!0
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Yes They are fascinating in themselves.MyBurningEars said:That picture is wonderful!
At higher resolution, is it possible to read all the text on the posters?0 -
Sardinia doesn't have the same spectacular landscape as (certainly northern) Corsica. The high mountains going straight down into the sea.0
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The % of the Welsh poll were
Const
L: 31%
C: 21%
PC: 19%
U: 16%
LD: 8%
Regional list
L: 30%
PC: 21%
Con: 19%
UKIP: 16%
LD: 6%
G: 4%0 -
So do we really have to wait until tomorrow evening before we know the London results? I've got my ladbrokes account up and itching. After the horrors of last year I'm not taking anything for granted.0
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LOL, well duh.Scott_P said:@nickeardleybbc: Reports Labour do not expect to hold on to any constituencies in Glasgow tonight
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It's all true. Not as refined as French at its best but that's its charm. You can go anywhere and its lively fun and simple and it's uniformly good. Sometimes it feels like you've crept into a fellini film and that's when it's at its best. You're very lucky. So much better than Spaintyson said:I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)
I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.
For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.
Or you could go somewhere else. Why?0 -
I had some excellent seafood in Normandy last summer of course pub food is better than it was but in France you have a much better chance of getting a decent 3 or even 4 course meal at a reasonable price at lunchtime. The one area France has a huge advantage is service station food, you can get a good meat and vegetable dish and a tasty desert where in the UK you would be looking at a soggy pie and chipsHurstLlama said:
I have to disagree, though my visits to France have been confined to Normandy and the old battlefields - so the rest of France might be very different. Yes, the people are friendly, but overall the standards of food is pretty dire. There are some absolute gems of course and we have found a few, but pull up at a random Normandy eatery for lunch or dinner and the chances are you'd get a better meal at a random English pub or restaurant.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
My neighbour, who is French (and so ought to know what he is talking about), was complaining about the state of French restaurant food only the other day. He told me that the French government are going to introduce a new law forcing restaurants to declare on the menu which dishes are bought-in boil-in-the-bag/microwave jobs. That the French government feels that such a law is necessary says a lot.0 -
On these figures Welsh Conservatives can still gain constituencies from Labour only to lose regional seats to UKIP. Their leader may be potentially at risk if they do well and gain both Cardiff North and Vale of Glamorgan0
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UKIP won the popular vote last time IIRC although Labour got most seats.TheScreamingEagles said:If Labour have done shite in Sheffield, then I wonder what's happened in Rotherham.
They have all out elections today.0 -
I am watching sky & they open with some homeless looking bloke with a red rossette on labours chances are. Look like he was going to cry at the nasty sky interviewer asking questions.0
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I have to say that this photo is simply stunning. I've just looked at it closely. It seems staged from a film set.
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If the polls put Labour on 30% they could well be in the high 20s going by how pollsters usually overestimate the party to at least some extent.AndreaParma_82 said:On these figures Welsh Conservatives can still gain constituencies from Labour only to lose regional seats to UKIP. Their leader may be potentially at risk if they do well and gain both Cardiff North and Vale of Glamorgan
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My eye was certainly drawn to them! What a great piece of history.MikeSmithson said:
Yes They are fascinating in themselves.MyBurningEars said:That picture is wonderful!
At higher resolution, is it possible to read all the text on the posters?
Good night all. Hope those staying up to enjoy the fun have a good one :-)0 -
Labour holds Pallion Sunderland0
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It depends what you order too, the seafood in France tends to be excellent and the gesiers salads are always wonderful and I order them whenever they are on the menuSeanT said:
It's simply not true any more, tho. Most French bistros now serve reheated frozen food.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11533010/French-restaurants-are-just-re-heating-factory-food-chef-claims.html
I take no pleasure in this. I used to love going to France and anticipating the food. After this trip, which cements in place an uneasy impression that I'd already formed, I will never do that again. Sad.0 -
Evening all
This is the first time I have logged in for a couple of weeks after my decision to withdraw from actively following the Euro ref, no tracking polls, no reading PB, no searching out of referendum articles in the quality press etc. This was for my own sanity as I was just getting too wound up and exercised by it all so elected to step back.
So basically I have been just picking up what comes naturally from 45 mins of radio 4 in the morning, occasional Metro on the train and perhaps 10 mins of News at 10 before bed. Other than that I have no idea of the recent daily highs and lows of the campaign. Perhaps like 95% of the popu;ation who are not politicos or nerds.
Anyway my conclusion is that most people will simply have no awareness of the toing and froing and are almost no-one is talking about it or showing any interest.
In two weeks the only 2 comments I have encountered are ear-wigging a train conversation about a retired Englishman living in Ireland who may take Irish citizenship if we leave EU and a most unexpected rant today by a young non-political lady of Indian origin at work (who will be voting Labour today because her local candidate is a neighbour who seems nice) about Obama's nerve at sticking his nose into our business. To my surprise,this was not appreciated at all. It really, really get her goat.
My conclusions? Dunno, Perhaps that this entire campaign is passing over peoples heads with little acknowledgement and less excitement. As such, the much vaunted blitzkrieg of REMAIN is just not filtering through. Attitudes may remain unchanged. And as those Brexit simply care more, in general, they will vote and they will win.
After tonight I will not be logging in again or lurking until Ref Night.
Cheers
FattyB
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"Andrew RT Davies (Welsh Con leader) just arrived in studio with the words "we're going to give them a bloody nose tonight."0
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So, Labour getting a kicking in Wales, Scotland and Yorkshire....
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I agree but there is a restaurant in Dieppe that serves up absolutely spiffing seafood at surprisingly reasonable prices. It also has a very nice selection of affordable wines and a few bottles of not so affordable, but oh so drinkable, cognac tucked away for their friends. The H&DGTS, visit once a year and always has a splendid luncheon.Plato_Says said:
I had revolting - almost inedible stuff dished up in Dieppe. And at a variety of cafes. British stuff was more reliable in terms of higher quality.HurstLlama said:
I have to disagree, though my visits to France have been confined to Normandy and the old battlefields - so the rest of France might be very different. Yes, the people are friendly, but overall the standards of food is pretty dire. There are some absolute gems of course and we have found a few, but pull up at a random Normandy eatery for lunch or dinner and the chances are you'd get a better meal at a random English pub or restaurant.HYUFD said:
I have always found you can eat very well in most French towns with a higher quality of food at a reasonable price than most British cafes, though at the top Michelin starred end the French supremacy may be over. Generally they are friendly, especially if you at least attempt to speak the language. Italy is a great country too but France has Paris, the Mediterrenean climate in the south and lots of history and is the most visited country in the world for a reasonSeanT said:fpt for Francis U
Yes, there's a truth in that. In some respects France has just been naturally overtaken by competitors, who learned from her pioneering supremacy, then applied her techniques with greater innovation or resources.
The same happened to the English/British with all the sports we invented. People copied us at football, then, thanks to sheer weight of numbers, we eventually got outstripped - there were bound to be countries which could beat us at football.
Yet the food in France, if I'm not mistaken, is a different case. It isn't just in relative decline (as is the case with the wine) - it's in absolute decline, actively getting a lot worse. Very odd. And rather sad.
My neighbour, who is French (and so ought to know what he is talking about), was complaining about the state of French restaurant food only the other day. He told me that the French government are going to introduce a new law forcing restaurants to declare on the menu which dishes are bought-in boil-in-the-bag/microwave jobs. That the French government feels that such a law is necessary says a lot.
As I say there are gems in France if you can find them, just that most of it is below the standard one would expect from a pretty normal English pub or restaurant.0 -
Spot on. Could be knife edge stuff for them. They lost their leader last time in similar circumstances if I recall ( or was it the election before?) - they won a constituency in Mid Wales and lost a list seat as a result- the one the leader had.AndreaParma_82 said:On these figures Welsh Conservatives can still gain constituencies from Labour only to lose regional seats to UKIP. Their leader may be potentially at risk if they do well and gain both Cardiff North and Vale of Glamorgan
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Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 710 -
Do we know what the % changes are compared to previous years?AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
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The SNP have 5/9 Glasgow MSPs so now looking like they are repeating the clean sweep of the general electionScott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Labour aides reporting a "car crash" of a day in Glasgow
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McDonnell, "I can understand Northerners".0
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Have to say, having written off Lisa Nandy's chances when she was mentioned earlier today, she's coming across OK-ish on question Time.0
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Just the Catholic ones....oh we aren't talking about Ireland...chestnut said:McDonnell, "I can understand Northerners".
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Evening all,MikeSmithson said:
Yes They are fascinating in themselves.MyBurningEars said:That picture is wonderful!
At higher resolution, is it possible to read all the text on the posters?
The one on the right says 'Local Starvation'. Do we know what year this is?0 -
Sunderland St Anne's 71.4% - up 2.XDanny565 said:
Do we know what the % changes are compared to previous years?AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 710 -
That made me wince.chestnut said:McDonnell, "I can understand Northerners".
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Small swing to Lab from 2014 and 2015Danny565 said:
Do we know what the % changes are compared to previous years?AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 710 -
Not thinking much of the weird pressure gauge thing on sky.0
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If they do lose 3 seats in Wales (possibly including his own) he will have nothing to gloat about.AndreaParma_82 said:"Andrew RT Davies (Welsh Con leader) just arrived in studio with the words "we're going to give them a bloody nose tonight."
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Nothing about Italy is refined. Even when they try to be, it just ends up gauche or gaudy which adds to it's charm. Italy is frivolous, loud, colourful and joyous which all springs to life during summer.
In winter though......they all look grey, about twenty years older, and worn down by life. But summer is only ever six months away.Roger said:
It's all true. Not as refined as French at its best but that's its charm. You can go anywhere and its lively fun and simple and it's uniformly good. Sometimes it feels like you've crept into a fellini film and that's when it's at its best. You're very lucky. So much better than Spaintyson said:I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)
I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.
For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.
Or you could go somewhere else. Why?0 -
Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?0
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A rise in the Labour vote, or just them falling less than UKIP and/or Tories?MarkSenior said:
Small swing to Lab from 2014 and 2015Danny565 said:
Do we know what the % changes are compared to previous years?AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 710 -
Was just thinking that there has been very little talk of what would make a good/bad night for the Tories. I suppose CCHQ is okay with that.FrancisUrquhart said:Not thinking much of the weird pressure gauge thing on sky.
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Surely they'd be in a minority govt?Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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2011AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 71
Lab 1688
Con 506
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W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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I've no idea what it's meant be showing. I keep peering at it and not listening to the commentaryFrancisUrquhart said:Not thinking much of the weird pressure gauge thing on sky.
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Corbyism sweeping the nation...chestnut said:
2011AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 71
Lab 1688
Con 506
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It's just meaningless, isn't it?FrancisUrquhart said:Not thinking much of the weird pressure gauge thing on sky.
The best charts I see are the ones in the print editions of the FT and Washington Post. Very simple, mostly points of colour on a clear field, with not even a gridline in sight.0 -
Yes. Any good late punts? I cannot see much to tempt.JWisemann said:So do we really have to wait until tomorrow evening before we know the London results? I've got my ladbrokes account up and itching. After the horrors of last year I'm not taking anything for granted.
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Yikes, turnout is abysmal.chestnut said:
2011AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 71
Lab 1688
Con 506
Grn 4510 -
W. Ass.welshowl said:
W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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What about a cowboy?EPG said:
It's just meaningless, isn't it?FrancisUrquhart said:Not thinking much of the weird pressure gauge thing on sky.
The best charts I see are the ones in the print editions of the FT and Washington Post. Very simple, mostly points of colour on a clear field, with not even a gridline in sight.
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% quite similarFrancisUrquhart said:
Corbyism sweeping the nation...chestnut said:
2011AndreaParma_82 said:Pallino Ward Sunderland
Lab 1046
UKIP 596
Con2 61
LD 91
Green 71
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Con 506
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Most polls suggest EU ref turnout of at least 65%FattyBolger said:Evening all
This is the first time I have logged in for a couple of weeks after my decision to withdraw from actively following the Euro ref, no tracking polls, no reading PB, no searching out of referendum articles in the quality press etc. This was for my own sanity as I was just getting too wound up and exercised by it all so elected to step back.
So basically I have been just picking up what comes naturally from 45 mins of radio 4 in the morning, occasional Metro on the train and perhaps 10 mins of News at 10 before bed. Other than that I have no idea of the recent daily highs and lows of the campaign. Perhaps like 95% of the popu;ation who are not politicos or nerds.
Anyway my conclusion is that most people will simply have no awareness of the toing and froing and are almost no-one is talking about it or showing any interest.
In two weeks the only 2 comments I have encountered are ear-wigging a train conversation about a retired Englishman living in Ireland who may take Irish citizenship if we leave EU and a most unexpected rant today by a young non-political lady of Indian origin at work (who will be voting Labour today because her local candidate is a neighbour who seems nice) about Obama's nerve at sticking his nose into our business. To my surprise,this was not appreciated at all. It really, really get her goat.
My conclusions? Dunno, Perhaps that this entire campaign is passing over peoples heads with little acknowledgement and less excitement. As such, the much vaunted blitzkrieg of REMAIN is just not filtering through. Attitudes may remain unchanged. And as those Brexit simply care more, in general, they will vote and they will win.
After tonight I will not be logging in again or lurking until Ref Night.
Cheers
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Oh that W Ass.... ( still none the wiser)RobD said:
W. Ass.welshowl said:
W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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Welsh Assemblywelshowl said:
Oh that W Ass.... ( still none the wiser)RobD said:
W. Ass.welshowl said:
W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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Lab down from around 65% to 50% in Sunderland Pallion.
Turnout down from 35% to 29.1%.0 -
Tom Watson getting his defence in early on Sky. Says if you win / lose 100 seats really doesn't matter. Really? I mean seriously?
Oh well at least we can consign "it's been a terrrrrrrrribbblle night for the Tories" to the dustbin.
Or more likely NOT0 -
@JamieRoss7: Edinburgh Western, which the Lib Dems fancied taking, is looking good for the SNP from very early indications.
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Watson on sky and his spin Is painful....sounds like it's going to be a terrrrrrrrible night for labour.0
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Presumably only 10 seats up for grabs - so 4 gains would be pretty good goinganother_richard said:
Likely to be three or four Con gains from Labour there ?AndyJS said:Tamworth is usually one of the first councils to declare seats:
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Snap ....ishFrancisUrquhart said:Watson on sky and his spin Is painful....sounds like it's going to be a terrrrrrrrible night for labour.
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Oh, you have to be kidding me:
"new study has revealed drinking alcohol does make people happier."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3575563/Alcohol-DOES-make-happier-short-term-experts-warn.html#ixzz47p37Aj00
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Its the most realistic one. SNP nailed on I would say.Scott_P said:@JamieRoss7: Edinburgh Western, which the Lib Dems fancied taking, is looking good for the SNP from very early indications.
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Here's a WaPo chart which is slightly busier than usual, but still quite good compared to cowboys or Lib Dem paving tiles or bits off valves:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/01/8-4-2015_01a.png
Here's a FT chart which shows a pretty simple principle that you use as little colour and ornamentation as possible for information - though let's be honest, the election programmes are about entertainment:
http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/files/2016/04/Consumer_confidence_index-bar_chart-ft-web-themelarge-600x396.png0 -
The big problem with corbyn being useless is if Tories do fine & labour rubbish it might encourage Osborne to get his chopper out again with local council funding.0
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Not really, I don't understand what Klingon has to do with anything.welshowl said:
Cynulliad Cendlaethol would've made senseRobD said:
Welsh Assemblywelshowl said:
Oh that W Ass.... ( still none the wiser)RobD said:
W. Ass.welshowl said:
W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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Sunderland results blog:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/local-news/sunderland-local-elections-2016-council-112868180 -
With my heritage, I can't leave that unchallenged!Wanderer said:(That's to say, I think there are two truly great world centres of food. One is in Europe, the other South-east Asia. There's lots of brilliant food from elsewhere but those are the places, above all, where humans have really understood how to cook. For my money the pinnacle in Europe is Italy.)
Middle eastern, and especially Persian, cuisine is superb. Buy this book:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Legendary-Cuisine-Persia-Margaret-Shaida/dp/1902304608
As regards France vs Italy, the problem with Italian cuisine is that the meals as a whole are badly conceived. Superb dishes, yes, let down by a lack of coherent structure of the meal as a whole (whoever thought bunging pasta in between the hors d'oeuvre and the meat or fish course was a good idea?)0 -
@EdConwaySky: Strange times. UKIP’s biggest breakthrough tonight could happen in Wales. The Tories’ biggest breakthrough could happen in Scotland0
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That could be the national assembly of any country thoughwelshowl said:
Cynulliad Cendlaethol would've made senseRobD said:
Welsh Assemblywelshowl said:
Oh that W Ass.... ( still none the wiser)RobD said:
W. Ass.welshowl said:
W Ass??????Plato_Says said:Did I just hear Labour expect to cede control of W Ass?
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Labour losing control of Wales isn't the most outlandish event.0
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That corbyn bloke clearly popular in Wales...Artist said:Labour losing control of Wales isn't the most outlandish event.
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Great photo Mike.0
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I doubt you have seen much of Spain to say that, Roger. As for France, I'd say the further west you go in France the better it gets, though the Jura is a special place. If you don't eat and drink well in Gascony or Brittany, say, you are doing something very wrong.Roger said:
It's all true. Not as refined as French at its best but that's its charm. You can go anywhere and its lively fun and simple and it's uniformly good. Sometimes it feels like you've crept into a fellini film and that's when it's at its best. You're very lucky. So much better than Spaintyson said:I'm sorry Mike Smithson, as much as I love Lancashire, I am going to have to re-post my love of Italy from earlier in response to an attack on Italian cuisine (unthinkable)
I'm sorry...Italian cuisine is sublime. The simplicity. Provided you stay out of a tourist trap and keep to local trattorias, it is literally impossible to eat or drink badly in Italy.
For people who love food, wine, the weather, the landscape, the sea, mountains, the history...and the fact that Italians love the English. The hotels are great. The coffee. You can get to gigs in the summer for £20, and I mean top bands. The cakes, the grappa, the apperetivo....the fact that in summer everything comes to life. The sun, The walks. The quality of the hotels. The light...those wonderful Italian dusks and dawns. The sense of fun and happiness. And it's cheap.
Or you could go somewhere else. Why?
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