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Paging Alanbrooke, vote Remain to save manufacturing.
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Ken Livingstone:-
"Hitler was a bit of a bleeding-hearted liberal."0 -
Winning most votes could be seen as an election victory. In fact, in political terms, it was a victory. It was the parliament following from the second 1932 election which saw hitler become chancellor (after early-on instability with the fall of Bruning and the brief administration of Schleicher).JohnO said:
Livingstone couldn't even get the year of Hitler's election victory correct: it was 1933.TheScreamingEagles said:@tamcohen: Ken Livingstone rang Sky News and said he was 'quoting historical fact and will not give credence to those calling for his resignation'
In 1932 there were two elections, the second of which saw the Nazis lose votes, albeit still the largest party.
As ever, he is lying.
The 1933 election was subject to much more intimidation although was just about still democratic.0 -
Video of the confrontation with John Mann
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As long as Osborne rebrands it the "Northern European Powerhouse" there's no need to have any *actual* industry.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Alanbrooke, vote Remain to save manufacturing.
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Roger Boyes in the Times yesterday recommended Leavers encourage Marie Le Pen to speak for Brexit. How stupid do they think we are? Obviously, he got dozens of raspberries for that one.Luckyguy1983 said:Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.0 -
Ken claimed he was trying to debate with John Mann, whilst talking to himself. https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/7256404793673850880
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Makes Tory civil war look like a polite disagreement about who should pick up the bill on a first date.williamglenn said:Video of the confrontation with John Mann
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Well when the honorable member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip fails to become the next Prime Minister in a couple of months time, and stalks off in a huff to go and edit some national newspaper, or make a TV show about Rome, there will be a nice rock steady safe seat that Mr Hannan could inspect, not quite as safe as 1st on the SE England MEP List, but no real chance of losing his job.Polruan said:
Well, that or the shadow cabinet.david_herdson said:
I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.HurstLlama said:
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.Sandpit said:
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.0 -
Wonder if Ken was really in the phone or just pretending?williamglenn said:Video of the confrontation with John Mann
https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/725640479367385088
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No doubting Mann's track record on this issue, or questioning how offensive Livingstone's views are - but Mann comes over as rather deranged in that.williamglenn said:Video of the confrontation with John Mann
https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/725640479367385088
Shame as it undermines the real criticism that needs leveling at Livingstone and Corbyn0 -
You are joshing now, aren't you?Sean_F said:Ken Livingstone:-
"Hitler was a bit of a bleeding-hearted liberal."
Thing is, Livingstone has become such a spoof of himself it's difficult to tell.0 -
Ken Livingstone accuses 'Israel lobby' of orchestrating a campaign to smear critics as anti-Semites
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/ken-livingstone-accuses-israel-lobby-of-orchestrating-a-campaign/
He has to be finished now, surely. Mocking a guys mental health condition was horrid, but this is a totally different level.0 -
He'd be right at home in Chicago.Layne said:In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.
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That's worrying. Sounds like those Leftists after the banking crisis. We should abolish the City, but that's okay as we could replace it with football and pop music.TheScreamingEagles said:
Paging Alanbrooke, vote Remain to save manufacturing.
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https://twitter.com/DanJarvisMP/status/725642328275341312
Jarvis, Hunt, Liz Kendall join calls to dump Ken.0 -
My popcorn supplies will be soon exhausted today at this rate. What a fine display Labour are putting on this morning.0
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Never heard anything anti-Semitic in 27 years - oh really.0
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Here's Jew loving Ken...oh god he is repeating the same old BS..Naz just a bit "rude".
Come Labour, this man shouldn't be anywhere near your party, let alone involved in consultation on national defence. Get rid of him.0 -
Ken Livingstone says calling for the forced deportation of Jews is "rude".0
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What is the point of people calling for the suspension of Livingstone? He isn't going to change his views. Suspending him gives the impression that he could come back.
There should be no way back from this.0 -
This isn't a car crash, more a 4 lane multi-car pile-up...and Neil isn't even really trying. Jew lover Ken is doing his job for him.0
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I appear to have fallen through a wormhole to a universe where the Kippers are the disciplined on-message political party.0
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LOL.glw said:I appear to have fallen through a wormhole to a universe where the Kippers are the disciplined on-message political party.
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Nick Clegg sitting in silence as Ken Livingstone digs deep.0
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Has he actually just completely lost his mind? Maybe he needs to be taken to A&E?SeanT said:Ken just actually said "Of course, I've no sympathy for Hitler".
When you have to say that...0 -
You would have thought Chairman Milne would have found somebody else to go on Daily Politics than Red Ken....I don't even dare look at Tim's twitter feed, I presume he has self combusted.0
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Oh god he is now defending an Islamic extremist....just because he didn't say anything bad when he was in London.0
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Yes, that's right Ken: the camp guards were just a bit uppity and disrespectful.TheScreamingEagles said:Ken Livingstone says calling for the forced deportation of Jews is "rude".
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This Ken interview is beyond bizarre - he's making David Irving look in touch with reality.
11 Labour MPs calling for his resignation0 -
Paradoxically, I guess Ken may never get a knighthood.
I've never understood anti-semitism. Should that include arabs?
Maybe it's jealousness or/and perverted religiosity.
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Now, now... surely you wouldn't want him to make it worse by being Islamophobic as well as anti-Semitic would you?FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god he is now defending an Islamic extremist....just because he didn't say anything bad when he was in London.
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You would think so, you would hope so, but with Jezza in charge there is no certainty.SeanT said:Ken's career is over. Today.
Eviscerated by Neil.
Don't know whether to laugh or laugh.
I like "SO" want a decent Labour party, if for nothing else as to be a good opposition to the Tories. Instead we have this rabble of disgusting terrorist extremist anti-Semite sympathizing shits.0 -
Procedural. You'd need to suspend pending a disciplinary hearing.oxfordsimon said:What is the point of people calling for the suspension of Livingstone? He isn't going to change his views. Suspending him gives the impression that he could come back.
There should be no way back from this.0 -
Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.0
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Is this really happening?0
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It actually worse than that, because parties are able to spend money on the campaign according to their share of the vote:Layne said:In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.
Conservatives: £7m, Labour £5.5m, UKIP £4m, Lib Dems £3m, The SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and other parties that got less than 5% of votes cast in May will be limited to £700,000.
Since all the parties except UKIP are for Remain, that means in excess of the 7m campaign limit for VLTC and BSE, there is another 18m available to Leave compared to 4m for Remain. So around 23m for Remain compared to around 11m for Leave. Sounds fair.0 -
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Ken an old man past his sell by date. Career over.0
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He doesn't seem all that happy I must admit...FrancisUrquhart said:You would have thought Chairman Milne would have found somebody else to go on Daily Politics than Red Ken....I don't even dare look at Tim's twitter feed, I presume he has self combusted.
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I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.Casino_Royale said:
That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He really isn't - he's very sharp.0 -
Oh wow the second clip...showing the start of the spat is worse...and it shows why Mann totally loses it.
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/watch-john-mann-tells-ken-youre-a-fking-disgrace/0 -
Yup, and to think all those Leavers ramping up Patrick Minford have gone curiously quiet.Pulpstar said:Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.
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Funnily enough, that was almost exactly the tone of Shah's apology: I'm sorry my words upset you. Not 'what I said was shameful' but that the fault was in injuring someone's feelings rather than the inherent unjustness of the comment.rottenborough said:
Yes, that's right Ken: the camp guards were just a bit uppity and disrespectful.TheScreamingEagles said:Ken Livingstone says calling for the forced deportation of Jews is "rude".
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Clegg is lost for words - his face is a picture.0
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Nick gives him full barrels.0
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On Livingstone, this has to end in expulsion. Anything else means that Labour can reasonably be charged as institutionally anti-Semitic.0
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But the Conservative party is neutral so presumably will not spend any of the £7m.Indigo said:
It actually worse than that, because parties are able to spend money on the campaign according to their share of the vote:Layne said:In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.
Conservatives: £7m, Labour £5.5m, UKIP £4m, Lib Dems £3m, The SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and other parties that got less than 5% of votes cast in May will be limited to £700,000.
Since all the parties except UKIP are for Remain, that means in excess of the 7m campaign limit for VLTC and BSE, there is another 18m available to Leave compared to 4m for Remain. So around 23m for Remain compared to around 11m for Leave. Sounds fair.
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Whilst I wasn't exactly happy about Diane Abbott receiving License payer's money for her 'fee', Ken Livingstone's remarks today and previously are on a different level to anything "West Indian mums are better" Abbott has said.tlg86 said:0 -
and back to Hitler.0
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But Chairman Milne doesn't believe there is such a thing as Antisemitism.david_herdson said:On Livingstone, this has to end in expulsion. Anything else means that Labour can reasonably be charged as institutionally anti-Semitic.
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I'm beginning to wonder about the effects of London air on its mayors, past & present.0
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Is this the most times Hitler has been mentioned in a TV interview? It's Godwin telly.0
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What do you think ?TCPoliticalBetting said:
But the Conservative party is neutral so presumably will not spend any of the £7m.Indigo said:
It actually worse than that, because parties are able to spend money on the campaign according to their share of the vote:Layne said:In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.
Conservatives: £7m, Labour £5.5m, UKIP £4m, Lib Dems £3m, The SNP, Greens, Plaid Cymru and other parties that got less than 5% of votes cast in May will be limited to £700,000.
Since all the parties except UKIP are for Remain, that means in excess of the 7m campaign limit for VLTC and BSE, there is another 18m available to Leave compared to 4m for Remain. So around 23m for Remain compared to around 11m for Leave. Sounds fair.0 -
I don't think anybody on the Daily Politics show can quite believe what Red Ken is saying.0
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Ouch
John Mann: Ken Livingstone is a worse historian than he is a politician.0 -
Ohhhh god John "Loud Howard" Mann now....popcorn...0
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Mann on now.0
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It is quite impressive that Red Ken has managed to knock the fact Hillsbourough families are going to sue the police off the top of the news.0
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Can someone ask World Snooker to delay the semi-final so we can have an extended Daily Politics?0
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Ken's either gone mad or he's had too much to drink (again)FrancisUrquhart said:I don't think anybody on the Daily Politics show can quite believe what Red Ken is saying.
Maybe a combination of both?0 -
Minford's seems a perfectly Thatcherite position to me - strip away the artificial EU 'protections' and let British manufacturing sink or swim. If Leavers truly believe they are Maggie's heirs they should be backing him to the hilt.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, and to think all those Leavers ramping up Patrick Minford have gone curiously quiet.Pulpstar said:Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.
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LOL...well this is certainly more entertaining.Tissue_Price said:Can someone ask World Snooker to delay the semi-final so we can have an extended Daily Politics?
I really need to get on with some work, but this is blockbuster stuff.0 -
I'm about 5 mins walk from The Crucible....Tissue_Price said:Can someone ask World Snooker to delay the semi-final so we can have an extended Daily Politics?
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There you go Jeremy. Time to step in and grab the tiller.0
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He keeps producing his weird smirk which makes it even worse.GIN1138 said:
Ken's either gone mad or he's had too much to drink (again)FrancisUrquhart said:I don't think anybody on the Daily Politics show can quite believe what Red Ken is saying.
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He isn't capable of doing so.Toms said:There you go Jeremy. Time to step in and grab the tiller.
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@patrick_kidd: "You've lost it Mr Livingstone, you need help. What are you on?" John Mann MP lays into the hug-a-Hitler former mayor0
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Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 1m1 minute ago
Labour MP and senior Labour NEC member arguing on live national television about whether Hitler was a Zionist. This is actually happening.0 -
Hug a Hitler lol0
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This Ken implosion is surely a massive boost for remain and Khan winning ? I await the next blog with interest..
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Hug-A-Hitler...brilliant.TheScreamingEagles said:@patrick_kidd: "You've lost it Mr Livingstone, you need help. What are you on?" John Mann MP lays into the hug-a-Hitler former mayor
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In a way, the extreme nature of Livingstone's comments make it easier for Corbyn. They are so bad it's clearly just an instant sacking. It can be worse when they're bad but not so bad the leadership is tempted to go easy on them.0
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I agree. But that then leaves a large hole at the centre of the Corbynite leadership. Ken Livingstone is their intellectual godfather.david_herdson said:On Livingstone, this has to end in expulsion. Anything else means that Labour can reasonably be charged as institutionally anti-Semitic.
This is a disaster for Jeremy Corbyn on four separate levels:
1) Crashing the current election round
2) Extending the impression that Labour is institutionally anti-Semitic
3) Removing one of the few heavyweights from his inner circle
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I don't think it will actually hurt Labour's vote that much sadly.TGOHF said:This Ken implosion is surely a massive boost for remain and Khan winning ? I await the next blog with interest..
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I can't wait to see the downfall parody of this.SeanT said:STOP TALKING ABOUT HITLER, KEN
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When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.0
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You know as a party you are in trouble if Hug-A-Hitler is you "intellectual godfather"...AlastairMeeks said:
I agree. But that then leaves a large hole at the centre of the Corbynite leadership. Ken Livingstone is their intellectual godfather.david_herdson said:On Livingstone, this has to end in expulsion. Anything else means that Labour can reasonably be charged as institutionally anti-Semitic.
This is a disaster for Jeremy Corbyn on four separate levels:
1) Crashing the current election round
2) Extending the impression that Labour is institutionally anti-Semitic
3) Removing one of the few heavyweights from his inner circle
4) Giving his party opponents a cause to rally around that can't just be brushed aside as the whining of sour losers0 -
I wish I could watch this, sounds like a car crash in slow motion from here!0
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@feedthedrummer: The Labour Party is going to have to wash itself with bleach just to be able to walk past plant life without it dying after this interview.0
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And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such contentFrancisUrquhart said:When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
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No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.Casino_Royale said:
That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He really isn't - he's very sharp.
Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.0 -
So under Jahadi Jez, we have had Chairman Mao's Little Red Book, Hug a Suicide Bomber and all the stuff about Hitler...You can't believe it is the same party that under Blair / Bad Al were masters of media manipulation and message.SeanT said:That was probably the most rivetting ten minutes of political TV that I have ever seen in my life. Beautiful.
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I cannot believe what I have just seen what I have seen on live TV.
This is Labour's blackest day in years, possibly decades. Ken is not a lone maverick, he spouts out ideas that clearly have currency in parts of the hard left. This is the hard left that Miliband let back into the party with his bonkers £3 support and vote plan.
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Aunty was very slow to pick up on the Naz Shah story, all guns blazing now after Newsnight.FrancisUrquhart said:It is quite impressive that Red Ken has managed to knock the fact Hillsbourough families are going to sue the police off the top of the news.
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There is nothing intellectual about Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:
I agree. But that then leaves a large hole at the centre of the Corbynite leadership. Ken Livingstone is their intellectual godfather.david_herdson said:On Livingstone, this has to end in expulsion. Anything else means that Labour can reasonably be charged as institutionally anti-Semitic.
This is a disaster for Jeremy Corbyn on four separate levels:
1) Crashing the current election round
2) Extending the impression that Labour is institutionally anti-Semitic
3) Removing one of the few heavyweights from his inner circle
4) Giving his party opponents a cause to rally around that can't just be brushed aside as the whining of sour losers0 -
The right wing of Labour have done a great job here of beginning to get rid of Jezza - they are pulling down his support rather than go straight to the headshot.0
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Max, this picture sums it, Nick Clegg's reaction to Ken Livingstone saying Hitler was really a Zionist.MaxPB said:I wish I could watch this, sounds like a car crash in slow motion from here!
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Livingstone:-
"Look, Hitler wasn't anti-Semitic. I've got a set of his Bar Mitzvah photographs to prove it."0 -
@stackee: Kickstarter to pay Nick Clegg's legal bills if he just gets up and punches Ken Livingstone in the face #bbcdp0
