There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
I'd like to see the split of the ABs without the C1s, personally.
YouGov don't go into that level of detail.
This is going to sound very condescending, patronising, and elitist of me, but there's a reason Cameron decided to hold the referendum during the European Championships, that split explains it.
Sterling work from Ken, there, who looks like he'll be going back to following through a Mayoral election as an independent. He needs to be expelled from the party for unfathomable stupidity before anyone even considers the substantive case. If ever there was a man to react to a witch hunt by putting on a pointy hat and a fake nose and issuing prophecies about various Thanes, it's him.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.
It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I was a Blairite. He's not appealing to me at all. I've no idea who he is anymore. He's pork-barreling HMG to win.
To be honest, Blairites would not be seen dead fellating trade unions.
Sadiq Khan acting all shocked....lets not forget his own speechwriter* had to be sacked for disgusting social media posts both before and during his employment with Khan. Either Khan is incompetent and never checked or he turned a blind eye.
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
Which of those do you oppose?
I oppose the view that we have these because of Europe. Equal treatment of workers on grounds of their sex comes from UK law back in the 1970s or earlier etc etc. We have a UK PM ignoring our history of making our own laws and being proud about that.
I am fairly sure I used to have paid holidays from work before 1973, too.
As a fine point of interest until 1834 England and Wales had 33 "bank holidays" a year. These were based on religious festivals and saints' days and were a reduction in number from the number of holidays granted in the medieval period. An English peasant in the 14th century probably had more days off in a year than most modern workers. Prior to the Black Death he was also given two free slap-up feasts a year by his employer.
Sadiq Khan acting all shocked....lets not forget his own speechwriter* had to be sacked for disgusting social media posts both before and during his employment with Khan. Either Khan is incompetent and never checked or he turned a blind eye.
* and nobody seemed to wonder how this guy got the job in the first place given his piss poor qualifications / suitability for the role.
Labour MP in safe seat campaigns for Labour in general election: pretty thin gruel.
Its the Livingstone claims I was pointing to...not "thin gruel". Also, its long long list of stuff, a consistent pattern of unfortunate appearances, meetings, articles and comments.
My personal opinion is Khan just doesn't want to upset a certain key demographic and his trying to play it both ways has meant he never "stands up extremists".
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
These rights would only be at risk because the fecking Tories would want to take them away!
Either Cameron is a total hypocrite or he has just crossed the floor of the house.
Indeed. Utterly brazen. But I can't help but admire Dave's chutzpah. Probably good tactics too. Consider how your average Guardianista will be weighing up his Euro-decision:
Vote Remain: The Tories will be less able to smash workers' rights and return us to Dickensian squalor and exploitation.
Vote Leave: Give Cameron a kick in the nethers.
But now Dave has sided with the angels, and if you vote Leave he'll most likely be replaced by someone who really will relish crushing the poor beneath his boot. Dave is shepherding the Liberal-Left towards Remain. It's transparent, it's shameless and it will probably work.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
It was a fine speech - on playback - Hannan's always are.
Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
The most effected and those who know better where this is all going. I'm struggling to get off the sofa next week to vote for my Tory PCC. If there were locals my way, I'd split my vote UKIP and Tory.
Zac Goldsmith is seen as “rich” and Sadiq Khan as “untrustworthy”, according to research that reveals what Londoners really think about the rivals in the election for Mayor of London.
More than 1,000 people were shown pictures of the two men by pollsters Populus and asked to put down the first word or phrase that came to mind.
For Tory candidate Mr Goldsmith, 98 people’s instant reaction was about his wealthy background, 80 thought him “posh”, and 39 said “privileged”.
Less commonly, 23 said “out of touch” and 22 “smug”, while 15 said “idiot”.
For Mr Khan, 58 people gave words such as “dodgy” and “shifty”, but 39 thought him “trustworthy” or “honest”.
Thirty six people said “Muslim”, 35 “Labour”, 34 “good for London”, and 21 “friendly”. Again, 15 said “idiot”.
The research was designed to tap into gut feelings and, unlike most polling, none of the words was prompted. People were shown photographs from the candidates’ publicity material to ensure fairness. Among other findings:
Mr Khan is slightly better known, with 69 per cent of those polled able to name him, compared with 65 per cent who recognised Mr Goldsmith. The Tory was better known among the elderly but less well known among people from minority ethnic communities.
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.
The more Cameron associates himself with REMAIN when talking to Labour supporters the more he embeds the thought that REMAIN = a vote for Cameron. Good news for LEAVE. Terrible news for the Conservative party. It makes ousting Cameron a near certainty post June 23rd. Corbyn needs to stick in the knife at the next PMQs.
Zac Goldsmith is seen as “rich” and Sadiq Khan as “untrustworthy”, according to research that reveals what Londoners really think about the rivals in the election for Mayor of London.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.
It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.
Bwhahahahah that's a lost cause, Cameron is going to get kicked big time.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.
It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.
The message is vote Remain to save the country from my government.
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.
And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.
And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.
I wonder if they will ask what paper you and your parents take ;-)
Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows: Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB). Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM). Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) - Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.
Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.
That's not surprising. It would be a very poor result if UKIP failed to win top up seats. Just 6-7% would give them two seats.
You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I was a Blairite. He's not appealing to me at all. I've no idea who he is anymore. He's pork-barreling HMG to win.
To be honest, Blairites would not be seen dead fellating trade unions.
Zac's down to 2% on Betfair, new poll coming out ?
People have had it with the Posh Boys.
You sound like a lefty class warrior. You're going to be very disappointed if Remain wins aren't you?
I'm expecting REMAIN to win after everything they've done.
In a way that's when the fun begins as we can start setting about destroying Cameron and Osborne for their treachery. We've got to see both of them humiliated and turfed out of office in disgrace.
Realistically Cameron will be off on his own terms I suppose, but we can still tear Osborne to pieces (especially if the Tories are mad enough to make him leader - Fingers crossed)
After the effort he has put in and the number of his own side he's alienated in the process, Cameron has to win big or he's likely to be toast in short order. 60-40 as a minimum to avoid a challenge over the summer?
If Remain wins - by whatever margin - Cameron and Osborne will be fine. This is reminding me of the Left's travails over unilateral disarmament in the 1980s. Yes, there was no end of abuse and bitterness whilst the argument raged, but once the view was settled everyone just shrugged and moved on. Even a die-hard unilateralist like Corbyn becoming leader hasn't revivified the matter. This will be Leave's last battle. If they lose, neither they nor anyone else will be able to summon up the energy to persevere any more.
Some Leavers are Rabid though.
As a unilateralist in the 80's I was wrong.
Cant see the reasonable leavers like Casino, Sean Fear let alone the even more rabid leavers saying that ever should Remain win.
I am 67% Leave 33% WNV at the moment BTW
Mr. Owls, I am of the opinion that the UK would a better country in which to live out of the EU and should leave. I have held that opinion for more than 20 years. It won't change regardless of the vote in June.
If Remain win I shall continue to quietly argue my position and to gently campaign for it, just as I have for the last 20 years. Once I was in a very small minority, now my line of thought has become mainstream, in the future it might become the majority view.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
I'll never forget his speech on 7/7, very impressive. What happened to him?
You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
Livingstone is a thoroughly unpleasant chap, always has been.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
Somebody said he's the modern day Sir Keith Joseph, looking for a Thatcher to influence.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.
And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.
I wonder if they will ask what paper you and your parents take ;-)
The BBC won't employ people they feel are decidedly non-U on the big issues. What they might do is increase the % of people from poorer socio-economic backgrounds who agree with them.
Apart from token Righties (like Clarkson, Neil etc.) the BBC would never employ social-cultural conservatives, EU leavers, climate change deniers, wholesale public sector downsizers, or those those against multi-culturalism.
But they will invite token representatives on now and again (onto their key programmes) to avoid the charge.
Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
The Labour / lefty pathology of 'Islamophobia is racist but anti-Semitism is just fine' is really come back to bite them now. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.
The Labour / lefty pathology of 'Islamophobia is racist but anti-Semitism is just fine' is really come back to bite them now. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.
The comments by Huq this morning were incredibly revealing. Nobody would even think of deploying that "defence" if the comments related to black people or Muslims.
In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour. " being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.
The more Cameron associates himself with REMAIN when talking to Labour supporters the more he embeds the thought that REMAIN = a vote for Cameron. Good news for LEAVE. Terrible news for the Conservative party. It makes ousting Cameron a near certainty post June 23rd. Corbyn needs to stick in the knife at the next PMQs.
My Labour voting friends are looking forward to kicking Cameron in the gonads on this EU vote, by voting Leave - despite their politics not changing on the EU. They're not impressed with Corbyn, and one even openly talked of voting UKIP in protest at immigration the GE. I really can't tell WTF is going on. Old labels don't seem to be playing the game.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.
Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.
The Green lady has a real problem trying to explain the difference between Greenies and Labour in a radio intv earlier.
Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
please drop the Tories word. they are no Tories. I know Tories. These are blairite usurpers.
If they really have no place in the party why is she still in it?
That's not really fair. Members carry more weight in pushing for change than non-members. The stomp-off-in-a-huff response rarely achieves the outcome the person stomping hopes for.
Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
please drop the Tories word. they are no Tories. I know Tories. These are blairite usurpers.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with you and I AM receiving medical help as a result. Fortunately the prognosis for eventual full recovery is positive, but it's one step at a time.
That's an interesting use of the word hierarchy. I often think Labour has a hierarchy of victims which is why Jess Philips slandered the good men of Birmingham with her comments on Question Time: Immigrants > Women
Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
Yes. Good point. Leave need to emphasize the Left-wing case for Leave: easier implementation of tariffs and trading blockades; undermining of NATO; abolishment of immigration and resulting wage competition setting comrade against comrade; fragmentation of euro-imperialist culture; undermining of the liberal-capitalist EU.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with you
If they really have no place in the party why is she still in it?
I suppose in the same way that some non-homophobes and opponents of South African apartheid felt able to remain in the Tory party during the 80s: you find a party which is closest to you on the issues you are currently most concerned by, and try to work for change on the elements you disagree with.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.
I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with you
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.
I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.
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Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
As a fine point of interest until 1834 England and Wales had 33 "bank holidays" a year. These were based on religious festivals and saints' days and were a reduction in number from the number of holidays granted in the medieval period. An English peasant in the 14th century probably had more days off in a year than most modern workers. Prior to the Black Death he was also given two free slap-up feasts a year by his employer.
Winning back London or gaining on Tories since 2015
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/khan-campaigned-for-naz-shah-defended-ken-on-anti-semitism/
This isn't going to go away, what Chance Guido's got enough to keep it running for a week? Khan lay price 1.06 on Betfair, just saying.
My personal opinion is Khan just doesn't want to upset a certain key demographic and his trying to play it both ways has meant he never "stands up extremists".
Vote Remain: The Tories will be less able to smash workers' rights and return us to Dickensian squalor and exploitation.
Vote Leave: Give Cameron a kick in the nethers.
But now Dave has sided with the angels, and if you vote Leave he'll most likely be replaced by someone who really will relish crushing the poor beneath his boot. Dave is shepherding the Liberal-Left towards Remain. It's transparent, it's shameless and it will probably work.
Zac Goldsmith is seen as “rich” and Sadiq Khan as “untrustworthy”, according to research that reveals what Londoners really think about the rivals in the election for Mayor of London.
More than 1,000 people were shown pictures of the two men by pollsters Populus and asked to put down the first word or phrase that came to mind.
For Tory candidate Mr Goldsmith, 98 people’s instant reaction was about his wealthy background, 80 thought him “posh”, and 39 said “privileged”.
Less commonly, 23 said “out of touch” and 22 “smug”, while 15 said “idiot”.
For Mr Khan, 58 people gave words such as “dodgy” and “shifty”, but 39 thought him “trustworthy” or “honest”.
Thirty six people said “Muslim”, 35 “Labour”, 34 “good for London”, and 21 “friendly”. Again, 15 said “idiot”.
The research was designed to tap into gut feelings and, unlike most polling, none of the words was prompted. People were shown photographs from the candidates’ publicity material to ensure fairness. Among other findings:
Mr Khan is slightly better known, with 69 per cent of those polled able to name him, compared with 65 per cent who recognised Mr Goldsmith. The Tory was better known among the elderly but less well known among people from minority ethnic communities.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/zac-goldsmith-is-privileged-and-sadiq-is-shifty-what-londoners-really-think-about-the-mayoral-a3235671.html
Labour needs class to be the principal source of political cleavage. It no longer is.
http://www.amshold.com/social_media/LondonMayor.htm
WHY LONDONERS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR SADIQ KHAN ON MAY 5TH
As for ever forming a Majority Government in the forseable future that is difficult to envisage
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!
Nice.
Ken Livingstone: “To think of anti-Semitism and racism as exactly the same thing.”
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/ken-anti-semitism-is-not-racism/
That hole is very very deep...and he is still furiously digging.
In 1932 there were two elections, the second of which saw the Nazis lose votes, albeit still the largest party.
As ever, he is lying.
If Remain win I shall continue to quietly argue my position and to gently campaign for it, just as I have for the last 20 years. Once I was in a very small minority, now my line of thought has become mainstream, in the future it might become the majority view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9S6EtnGZc
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/725635065640800256
Apart from token Righties (like Clarkson, Neil etc.) the BBC would never employ social-cultural conservatives, EU leavers, climate change deniers, wholesale public sector downsizers, or those those against multi-culturalism.
But they will invite token representatives on now and again (onto their key programmes) to avoid the charge.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
Ball back with you Jahadi Jez....
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/725636608054157312
https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/725636686772842496
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/725637481970995201
He really isn't - he's very sharp.
Dear politicians,
I'm trying to get some work done.
Could you all stop going nuts for a short while?
Thanks.
Chortle.
(Satirical ofc)
Describing the campaign, would you rate them as:
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Boring Yes x2
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