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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.
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    FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 3,902
    edited April 2016


    Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.

    I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.
    No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.

    Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.
    Humans are infinitely adaptable to climate? Right. Strange, then, that the Sahara Desert is not as densely populated as the plains of temperate Europe. We must be missing a trick there. And I'm sure the good inhabitants of Helsinki will have no problems at all adapting to an underwater lifestyle.

    No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.
    You talk such colossal twaddle. The story of the Ark was founded in Egypt when what was then an area very prone to flooding. The Nile changed course and a whole city was abandoned. Millions of migrants are walking to the EU now. You appear to think humans are trapped in amber.
    So the loss of one city in ancient Egypt caused sufficient devastation to create a story that has lasted for over 2,000 years. And that is supposed to reassure me that the future loss of all the coastal metropolises around the world won't be a major problem? I'm struggling to see your point.

    Of course, humans don't have problems moving. Just so long as they can do without their homes and farmland (and their neighbours will let them in), they'll be just fine.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    200%
    Tick/VG
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,592
    edited April 2016

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Retake of GCSE maths required...
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    Not that it's going to get much attention today, but this, it seems, was the Remain theme for the day:

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/725648972279365633

    Ah the good old "appeal to authority" again
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    SeanT said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    Jesus. Jesus F Christ.

    Milne is insane. Him and his ilk simply don't care if they totally destroy Labour. I feel for you.
    Haven't kremlinologists previously reported that Ken and Milne loathe each other?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    Wanderer said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    There's really no hard-to-believe threshold with Milne.
    Well he is a Stalinist, and Stalin was a good old zionist wasn't he? Or am I getting confused.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
    1.08 now - still value IMHO, but I got on the 1.06 this morning :)
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    Wanderer said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    There's really no hard-to-believe threshold with Milne.
    Well he is a Stalinist, and Stalin was a good old zionist wasn't he? Or am I getting confused.
    Nah, the Zionists were after Stalin, remember the Doctors' plot.

    Never trust Doctors always trying to overthrow governments, Jeremy Hunt must know what Stalin went through.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
    1.08 now - still value IMHO, but I got on the 1.06 this morning :)
    I was bawdeep now thigh deep.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
    1.08 now - still value IMHO, but I got on the 1.06 this morning :)
    300% !!
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    Same clownshoes that were saying Ed is nailed on this time last year.

    Step outside the bubble..
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900
    Sean_F said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.
    Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.

    I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016
    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
    1.08 now - still value IMHO, but I got on the 1.06 this morning :)
    I was bawdeep now thigh deep.
    Are you employing the "Glencore" strategy with Khan ?
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    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    So the increase was 4%, which is 200% of the 2% starting point
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.

    Unfortunately he would still win a landslide in a leadership election under the current rules. Labour's rank and file membership has shifted towards the Corbyn.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Rather annoyingly, Betfair's leader exit date markets are split into quarters rather than years. Corbyn is 10 (9/1) to go before June and 2.0 (evens) to go between Jul and Sep.

    Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MaxPB said:

    Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.

    Unfortunately he would still win a landslide in a leadership election under the current rules. Labour's rank and file membership has shifted towards the Corbyn.
    It's precisely this type of story that could start to prise his fingers away from his vice-like grip around the Labour membership.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    They don't have the courage to do that. They are just weak.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Why are Labourites calling for suspension? Surely he needs to be expelled? What good would sticking him on the naughty step for a few weeks do?

    Expelled? Why is he not being arrested? People have been for far less.

    Oh right, the establishment really do believe in hierarchies of racism.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?

    Why on Earth would the BNP want to sully themselves with someone like Livingstone?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    edited April 2016
    Alan Sugar putting the boot into Ken and Corbyn on Sky. "Two peas from the same pod." "The lunatics have taken over the party."
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    Blimey! I go to a meeting for a couple of hours and when I come back Labour have blown themselves up - again! It's like the Life of Brian suicide squad these days. And just as funny.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016

    Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?

    I would guess that Hug-A-Hitler's public comments are a bit too extreme for the BNPs liking....
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    You would think so...but this is Chairman Milne we are talking about and so it is quite believable.
    Milne's only previous experience was revising down the number of gulag inmates.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Beeb have updated the title of their Politics Live: EU Referendum thread to Politics Live: Labour anti-Semitism row
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Sadiq Khan on TV now speaking about Our Ken; looks like he wants to sh*t himself.

    Khan at 1.06 looks a tremendous lay.
    1.08 now - still value IMHO, but I got on the 1.06 this morning :)
    I was bawdeep now thigh deep.
    Are you employing the "Glencore" strategy with Khan ?
    I've certainly averaged up recently - if it ever gets anywhere near 1/2 on I'll be exit stage far left..
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    LayneLayne Posts: 163
    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    WTF?

    twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/725636241815932931

    We might actually be seeing Labour front bench resignations today if Corbyn doesn't jump on this.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    SeanT said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    Jesus. Jesus F Christ.

    Milne is insane. Him and his ilk simply don't care if they totally destroy Labour. I feel for the likes of Southam.
    I think they probably do care; they just have no idea that it's happening. Or if they do have a vague awareness, they have no idea why. Or if they do have an idea why, they know it's not their fault - because it can't be; they are pure and you only destroy purity by mixing it with the impure. Which ironically touches on where Ken was going this lunchtime.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    ttps://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/725656288093417474

    I'd retweet that but he's blocked me :lol:
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    Err, in what way is Zac or the campaign racist? Especially in light of what other Labour MPs have been saying recently. Pointing out reasonable objections to people Sadiq has hired and associated himself with is not racist. Look at where pandering to Muslims has taken your party and think, really have a hard think about if it is worth putting up with the conspiracy theories, casual anti-Semitic behaviour, casual support for ISIS or other terrorists, condoning of gender segregation. If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.
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    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%
    I had written three threads for this weekend.

    Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.

    Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Sandpit said:

    Rather annoyingly, Betfair's leader exit date markets are split into quarters rather than years. Corbyn is 10 (9/1) to go before June and 2.0 (evens) to go between Jul and Sep.

    Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.

    13.5 to lay.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Contrary to the views of a few REMAINers

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html

    We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
    Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
    Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
    Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
    Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).

    So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!

    Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016
    Layne said:

    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
    If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    STOP

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    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Bad news for LEAVE as it keeps Cameron off the news.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    HYUFD said:

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
    This level of denial I find particularly delicious - this is all out civil war.

    Corbo could be out within days.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    I know that the BHS and Austin Reed closing down offers on suits are very tempting for Jahadi Jez, but I think he needs to drag himself away and make some clear statement on this issue.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Wouldn't that be a 200% increase?
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    weejonnie said:

    Contrary to the views of a few REMAINers

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html

    We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
    Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
    Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
    Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
    Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).

    So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!

    Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
    I cannot see Le Pen coming here, getting a 69 from Cameron. Now i need a mind clean.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    weejonnie said:

    Contrary to the views of a few REMAINers

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html

    We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
    Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
    Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
    Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
    Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).

    So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!

    Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
    She wouldn't want to be tainted by appearing on a platform with the Labour leadership.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    You are asking for an impossible dream: the shadow cabinet haven't the guts to make such a stand.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    As you would expect its going down rather well over there

    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.716835
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    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    STOP

    I know. I won't do a Ken. I made a mistake. I'll stop digging.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2016

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%
    I had written three threads for this weekend.
    Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.
    Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.
    Any thread taking apart a poll for its assumptions and weightings on LEAVE vs REMAIN question?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016
    Sickening footage of Palestinian children pretending to stab Jews exposes 'festival of hate' funded by Jeremy Corbyn’s pet charity

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3561337/As-Labour-anti-Semitism-row-deepens-revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pet-charity-funded-Palestinian-festival-hate-children-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

    Interesting timing by the Mail to release footage of an event from last week....
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    You think you've got it tough. Just imagine being a Labour canvasser in Golders Green today.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MaxPB said:

    If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

    Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

    Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%
    I had written three threads for this weekend.

    Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.

    Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.
    A 300% REDUCTION IN USEFUL THREADS!!

    At least we are left with an interesting one.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Danny565 said:

    Layne said:

    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
    If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
    No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    28th April 2016 great Labour twitter race -

    #EdBallsDay still out in the lead with 22.4k tweets
    Ken Livingstone closing in with 19.6k
    Labour Party not too far behind with 16.6k
    Disappointing run from John Mann despite his huge efforts on just 4.2k
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.
    Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.

    I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.
    Your party is full of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites.
    And your full of ........
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    HYUFD said:

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
    The issue has become much wider than the mayoral election. This is an event that must result in the decent labour mps rising up and taking back control from the hard left. The timing the week before the 5th May elections may cause serious harm for labour. I thought IDS resignation was timed to harm Osborne and the remainers, but this is on a different scale. A sensational way to take the EU and Hillsborough off the headlines
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    Anushka Asthana ‎@GuardianAnushka
    Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Indigo said:

    As you would expect its going down rather well over there

    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.716835

    The big impact on this is in the US. Just imagine what the Jewish lobby will make of this.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

    Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

    Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
    This idea of "tenuous "...how many examples do you need for it not be tenuous? The list is now very long and often includes very recent ones. At best Khan s a total moron who never checks out the people he hires, which is worrying in itself.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    Surely won't be long before RodCrosby voices his, er, contrarian opinions.....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    I don't think Londoners will be changing their vote based on Ken's remarks today.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Livingston still in the party and Mann summoned to chief whips office for punishment.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,592
    edited April 2016
    Deck me

    Paul Waugh: Ooh and my northern source was right: Chief whip has "summoned John Mann to discuss his conduct."
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427

    Anushka Asthana ‎@GuardianAnushka
    Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"

    Just a tad.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2016
    Any comment from Jeremy Corbyn yet, or has the NEC yet to approve the official statement?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    Layne said:

    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
    If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
    No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
    Are "the people he hired to work for him" just that guy who made some homophobic comments on Twitter? Because seriously, are the Tories really in position to throw stones on that one?

    And you're still yet to explain how him "sharing platforms with extremists" (i.e. being among thousands of people who happened to attend an event which had nothing to do with racist Islamism) is any different to what Zac and other Tories have done.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900

    Anushka Asthana ‎@GuardianAnushka
    Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"

    Wow that was quick
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Suspended, what a joke....he will be back by Autumn.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

    Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

    Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
    A person he hired into his campaign called the terrorist murder of Lee Rigby an MI5 conspiracy. He has supported someone who was later convicted of funding and supporting terrorists. He has hired two people from the staff of notorious Islamist Lutfur Rahman to work on his campaign. He is the British Muslim who will take on extremists, yes take them on to his staff and as friends.

    As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited April 2016
    Danny565 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    Layne said:

    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

    ???

    Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
    What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
    If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
    No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
    Are "the people he hired to work for him" just that guy who made some homophobic comments on Twitter? Because seriously, are the Tories really in position to throw stones on that one?

    And you're still yet to explain how him "sharing platforms with extremists" (i.e. being among thousands of people who happened to attend an event which had nothing to do with racist Islamism) is any different to what Zac and other Tories have done.
    I think you need to do some research, as the answer is no. And also he didn't "just make homophobic comments on twitter".
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    Corbyn is the new Blair.

    Didn't Blair also suspend/kick out Ken too ?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Suspended, what a joke....he will be back by Autumn.

    And John Mann summoned by Chief Whip for Labour over his conduct?!? says Sky
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think Londoners will be changing their vote based on Ken's remarks today.

    I'm sure there's a section of Londoners who are more intent than ever on voting for labour.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Ken suspended. He should have been banned for life.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

    He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

    Maths not your strong suit
    Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

    I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
    Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%
    I had written three threads for this weekend.

    Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.

    Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.
    A 300% REDUCTION IN USEFUL THREADS!!

    At least we are left with an interesting one.
    67% REDUCTION IN USEFUL THREADS!! - not 300 FFS
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    Could this be a bigger problem for Cameron than the referendum?

    Michael Crick ‎@MichaelLCrick
    ELECTION EXPENSES: Electoral Commission, CPS & representatives of c15 police forces to hold meeting next week to discuss #C4News allegations
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    Corbyn is the new Blair.

    Didn't Blair also suspend/kick out Ken too ?

    Which provided one of William Hague's best jokes suggesting a job share. "Frank Dobson can be the day mayor and Ken Livingstone can be the night mayor."
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Chairman Milne wan't desperately to question Mann (BBC). I wonder if he really wants to suspend him.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
    This level of denial I find particularly delicious - this is all out civil war.

    Corbo could be out within days.
    Unless Goldsmith wins next week there is zero chance of that, Labour had a poll lead with yougov last night, the PLP is gutless and it would trigger a membership revolution
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    Sky saying Livingstone has been suspended and John Mann summoned to the labour whips. Sure they will have a cup of tea and a pleasant chat
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    well, this is an interesting day...
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MaxPB said:



    As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.

    Labour supposedly "pandering to Muslims" has nothing to do with the events of the past few days. Ken Livingstone would always have been a racist irrespective of what stances Labour had taken, whether they "pandered" to various people or not.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167

    HYUFD said:

    Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

    Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
    The issue has become much wider than the mayoral election. This is an event that must result in the decent labour mps rising up and taking back control from the hard left. The timing the week before the 5th May elections may cause serious harm for labour. I thought IDS resignation was timed to harm Osborne and the remainers, but this is on a different scale. A sensational way to take the EU and Hillsborough off the headlines
    Which Labour voters now are going to change their vote because of this remark? Next to nobody, the core Corbyn vote will largely agree with much of what Livingstone said
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    You think you've got it tough. Just imagine being a Labour canvasser in Golders Green today.

    They could easily have go out canvassing first thing, went fine all morning, and now not know why they are suddenly getting doors slammed in their face after lunch.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

    As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.
    Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.

    I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.
    Your party is full of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites.
    And your full of ........
    Come on. We both know Sean exaggerates. Labour isn't 'full' of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites; it just has rather more than a mainstream party should.

    p.s. "you're".
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    taffys said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think Londoners will be changing their vote based on Ken's remarks today.

    I'm sure there's a section of Londoners who are more intent than ever on voting for labour.
    Harry's tip has gone into the book nonetheless
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    MaxPB said:

    Ken suspended. He should have been banned for life.

    He will get a wrap on the knuckle and be reinstated by Christmas
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215

    Sky saying Livingstone has been suspended and John Mann summoned to the labour whips. Sure they will have a cup of tea and a pleasant chat

    More like cider with Rosie.

    Don't forget she was a prime target of the Corbyn Mafiosi.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,900
    Ooh and my northern source was right: Chief whip has "summoned John Mann to discuss his conduct."
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    There's a hundred quid available at 2/1 for UKIP to come third in London next week...
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.123967705
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Hug A Hitler was apparently live on air with James O'Brien (LBC) when John Mann confronted him.
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