Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.
No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.
Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.
Humans are infinitely adaptable to climate? Right. Strange, then, that the Sahara Desert is not as densely populated as the plains of temperate Europe. We must be missing a trick there. And I'm sure the good inhabitants of Helsinki will have no problems at all adapting to an underwater lifestyle.
No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.
You talk such colossal twaddle. The story of the Ark was founded in Egypt when what was then an area very prone to flooding. The Nile changed course and a whole city was abandoned. Millions of migrants are walking to the EU now. You appear to think humans are trapped in amber.
So the loss of one city in ancient Egypt caused sufficient devastation to create a story that has lasted for over 2,000 years. And that is supposed to reassure me that the future loss of all the coastal metropolises around the world won't be a major problem? I'm struggling to see your point.
Of course, humans don't have problems moving. Just so long as they can do without their homes and farmland (and their neighbours will let them in), they'll be just fine.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.
Unfortunately he would still win a landslide in a leadership election under the current rules. Labour's rank and file membership has shifted towards the Corbyn.
Rather annoyingly, Betfair's leader exit date markets are split into quarters rather than years. Corbyn is 10 (9/1) to go before June and 2.0 (evens) to go between Jul and Sep.
Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.
Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.
Unfortunately he would still win a landslide in a leadership election under the current rules. Labour's rank and file membership has shifted towards the Corbyn.
It's precisely this type of story that could start to prise his fingers away from his vice-like grip around the Labour membership.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
They don't have the courage to do that. They are just weak.
Blimey! I go to a meeting for a couple of hours and when I come back Labour have blown themselves up - again! It's like the Life of Brian suicide squad these days. And just as funny.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
Milne is insane. Him and his ilk simply don't care if they totally destroy Labour. I feel for the likes of Southam.
I think they probably do care; they just have no idea that it's happening. Or if they do have a vague awareness, they have no idea why. Or if they do have an idea why, they know it's not their fault - because it can't be; they are pure and you only destroy purity by mixing it with the impure. Which ironically touches on where Ken was going this lunchtime.
How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
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Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
Err, in what way is Zac or the campaign racist? Especially in light of what other Labour MPs have been saying recently. Pointing out reasonable objections to people Sadiq has hired and associated himself with is not racist. Look at where pandering to Muslims has taken your party and think, really have a hard think about if it is worth putting up with the conspiracy theories, casual anti-Semitic behaviour, casual support for ISIS or other terrorists, condoning of gender segregation. If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.
Rather annoyingly, Betfair's leader exit date markets are split into quarters rather than years. Corbyn is 10 (9/1) to go before June and 2.0 (evens) to go between Jul and Sep.
Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows: Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB). Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM). Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) - Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!
Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
???
Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Bad news for LEAVE as it keeps Cameron off the news.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
This level of denial I find particularly delicious - this is all out civil war.
I know that the BHS and Austin Reed closing down offers on suits are very tempting for Jahadi Jez, but I think he needs to drag himself away and make some clear statement on this issue.
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows: Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB). Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM). Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) - Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!
Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
I cannot see Le Pen coming here, getting a 69 from Cameron. Now i need a mind clean.
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows: Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB). Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM). Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) - Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!
Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.
She wouldn't want to be tainted by appearing on a platform with the Labour leadership.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
You are asking for an impossible dream: the shadow cabinet haven't the guts to make such a stand.
If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.
Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.
Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
???
Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
#EdBallsDay still out in the lead with 22.4k tweets Ken Livingstone closing in with 19.6k Labour Party not too far behind with 16.6k Disappointing run from John Mann despite his huge efforts on just 4.2k
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
The issue has become much wider than the mayoral election. This is an event that must result in the decent labour mps rising up and taking back control from the hard left. The timing the week before the 5th May elections may cause serious harm for labour. I thought IDS resignation was timed to harm Osborne and the remainers, but this is on a different scale. A sensational way to take the EU and Hillsborough off the headlines
If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.
Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.
Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
This idea of "tenuous "...how many examples do you need for it not be tenuous? The list is now very long and often includes very recent ones. At best Khan s a total moron who never checks out the people he hires, which is worrying in itself.
How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
???
Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
Are "the people he hired to work for him" just that guy who made some homophobic comments on Twitter? Because seriously, are the Tories really in position to throw stones on that one?
And you're still yet to explain how him "sharing platforms with extremists" (i.e. being among thousands of people who happened to attend an event which had nothing to do with racist Islamism) is any different to what Zac and other Tories have done.
If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.
Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.
Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
A person he hired into his campaign called the terrorist murder of Lee Rigby an MI5 conspiracy. He has supported someone who was later convicted of funding and supporting terrorists. He has hired two people from the staff of notorious Islamist Lutfur Rahman to work on his campaign. He is the British Muslim who will take on extremists, yes take them on to his staff and as friends.
As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.
How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??
???
Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?
If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.
No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.
Are "the people he hired to work for him" just that guy who made some homophobic comments on Twitter? Because seriously, are the Tories really in position to throw stones on that one?
And you're still yet to explain how him "sharing platforms with extremists" (i.e. being among thousands of people who happened to attend an event which had nothing to do with racist Islamism) is any different to what Zac and other Tories have done.
I think you need to do some research, as the answer is no. And also he didn't "just make homophobic comments on twitter".
Could this be a bigger problem for Cameron than the referendum?
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick ELECTION EXPENSES: Electoral Commission, CPS & representatives of c15 police forces to hold meeting next week to discuss #C4News allegations
Which provided one of William Hague's best jokes suggesting a job share. "Frank Dobson can be the day mayor and Ken Livingstone can be the night mayor."
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
This level of denial I find particularly delicious - this is all out civil war.
Corbo could be out within days.
Unless Goldsmith wins next week there is zero chance of that, Labour had a poll lead with yougov last night, the PLP is gutless and it would trigger a membership revolution
As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.
Labour supposedly "pandering to Muslims" has nothing to do with the events of the past few days. Ken Livingstone would always have been a racist irrespective of what stances Labour had taken, whether they "pandered" to various people or not.
Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.
Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway
The issue has become much wider than the mayoral election. This is an event that must result in the decent labour mps rising up and taking back control from the hard left. The timing the week before the 5th May elections may cause serious harm for labour. I thought IDS resignation was timed to harm Osborne and the remainers, but this is on a different scale. A sensational way to take the EU and Hillsborough off the headlines
Which Labour voters now are going to change their vote because of this remark? Next to nobody, the core Corbyn vote will largely agree with much of what Livingstone said
You think you've got it tough. Just imagine being a Labour canvasser in Golders Green today.
They could easily have go out canvassing first thing, went fine all morning, and now not know why they are suddenly getting doors slammed in their face after lunch.
As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.
Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.
I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.
Your party is full of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites.
And your full of ........
Come on. We both know Sean exaggerates. Labour isn't 'full' of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites; it just has rather more than a mainstream party should.
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Of course, humans don't have problems moving. Just so long as they can do without their homes and farmland (and their neighbours will let them in), they'll be just fine.
I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.
Never trust Doctors always trying to overthrow governments, Jeremy Hunt must know what Stalin went through.
Step outside the bubble..
I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.
Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/725636241815932931
Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.
Oh right, the establishment really do believe in hierarchies of racism.
Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.
Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.
Corbo could be out within days.
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.716835
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3561337/As-Labour-anti-Semitism-row-deepens-revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pet-charity-funded-Palestinian-festival-hate-children-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html
Interesting timing by the Mail to release footage of an event from last week....
Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.
At least we are left with an interesting one.
#EdBallsDay still out in the lead with 22.4k tweets
Ken Livingstone closing in with 19.6k
Labour Party not too far behind with 16.6k
Disappointing run from John Mann despite his huge efforts on just 4.2k
Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"
Paul Waugh: Ooh and my northern source was right: Chief whip has "summoned John Mann to discuss his conduct."
And you're still yet to explain how him "sharing platforms with extremists" (i.e. being among thousands of people who happened to attend an event which had nothing to do with racist Islamism) is any different to what Zac and other Tories have done.
As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.
Didn't Blair also suspend/kick out Ken too ?
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick
ELECTION EXPENSES: Electoral Commission, CPS & representatives of c15 police forces to hold meeting next week to discuss #C4News allegations
p.s. "you're".
Don't forget she was a prime target of the Corbyn Mafiosi.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.123967705