The right wing of Labour have done a great job here of beginning to get rid of Jezza - they are pulling down his support rather than go straight to the headshot.
Yes. This could actually be good for Labour, and bad for the Tories. Get rid of the Corbynites, install Jarvis, they win the next GE easily.
But they have to get past the crazy membership, first....
Twitter will soon be alive with Momentum nut-jobs saying Ken was misrepresented by evil media.
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.
I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.
Well, that or the shadow cabinet.
Well when the honorable member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip fails to become the next Prime Minister in a couple of months time, and stalks off in a huff to go and edit some national newspaper, or make a TV show about Rome, there will be a nice rock steady safe seat that Mr Hannan could inspect, not quite as safe as 1st on the SE England MEP List, but no real chance of losing his job.
@MattSingh_: I understand that at least two opinion pollsters are planning to re-run their final polls for next week, following the #KenLivingstone row
When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such content
Well just look at the timing as well, a week before the London Mayor elections and a row about Labour pandering to Muslims has broken out.
But if you look at the relative sizes of the London Jewish and Muslim communities, I suspect Labour being seen as pro Muslim is not going to hurt them...
You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
I'll never forget his speech on 7/7, very impressive. What happened to him?
I hated that speech. "Ordinary working people" left me with the feeling that he wouldn't have minded if it was toffs and plutocrats exploding.
Well that was an amazing interview with Livingstone. I've never seen anything like it, as Ken pushed a spear further and further up his arse. His face showed all the animation of a zombie as his admiration for Herr Hitler grew with the telling.
I cannot believe what I have just seen what I have seen on live TV.
This is Labour's blackest day in years, possibly decades. Ken is not a lone maverick, he spouts out ideas that clearly have currency in parts of the hard left. This is the hard left that Miliband let back into the party with his bonkers £3 support and vote plan.
What you reap.
Quite. These are views that have gone unchallenged and at times have been pandered to. And as such, in the echo chamber have found reinforcement and so legitimisation, while moderate Labour has looked on and turned a blind eye for electoral purposes. And now Ken presumably can't understand what he's done wrong.
I'm reluctant to advocate this sort of thing, but I think West Yorkshire Police needs to rebadge as "West & South Yorkshire Police" or some such and take immediate charge of the South Yorkshire area.
Consider:
The incoming Hillsborough, Rotherham , and a few years down the line Orgreave/Miners Strike costs ( I think there'll be renewed scrutiny on that now...) compensation, legal fees etc and South Yorkshire ain't going to have a functioning police force at all.
SYP needs to be scrapped, but the residents of Sheffield and the south of Yorkshire do need a police force - hence my proposed idea.
Well that was an amazing interview with Livingstone. I've never seen anything like it, as Ken pushed a spear further and further up his arse. His face showed all the animation of a zombie as his admiration for Herr Hitler grew with the telling.
But it started all so well, when he described Antisemitic facebook posts as "a bit rude". It was when he started banging on about the Hitler / Zionist conspiracy that he fell down a bit ;-)
Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.
Yup, and to think all those Leavers ramping up Patrick Minford have gone curiously quiet.
I think it's a clanger of the first order.
But as someone who 'ramped up' Prof. Minford (as in suggested he should have more of a role in the Leave campaign), I see this as more evidence of that than less. People - Nigel, Minford, Arron Banks - whomever, need to be brought within the fold of the official campaign, simply so things like '£4,300 is a bargain' don't happen.
It doesn't surprise me at all that Thatcher's economic adviser thinks manufacturing will dry up and we'll move over to services. However, it could have been phrased that 'I don't think Brexit will stop the move from manufacturing to a service economy, but I'm optimistic that we can make this work...' - same thing, much less damaging soundbite.
When Remain wins, and I've never wavered in my view that they will, I will blame Vote Leave a great deal. They have a lot to answer for.
I cannot believe what I have just seen what I have seen on live TV.
This is Labour's blackest day in years, possibly decades. Ken is not a lone maverick, he spouts out ideas that clearly have currency in parts of the hard left. This is the hard left that Miliband let back into the party with his bonkers £3 support and vote plan.
What you reap.
Quite. These are views that have gone unchallenged and at times have been pandered to. And as such, in the echo chamber have found reinforcement and so legitimisation, while moderate Labour has looked on and turned a blind eye for electoral purposes. And now Ken presumably can't understand what he's done wrong.
More worryingly as pointed out on Newsnight last night, this problem has now infected places like Oxford University Labour Society. These are supposedly bright liberal minded people....who traditionally will end up running the Labour Party.
Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.
Yup, and to think all those Leavers ramping up Patrick Minford have gone curiously quiet.
I'm going to try to explain this.
Minford has produced a model of the UK and global trade which is divided into broad geographical areas and very broad economic sectors, one of which is 'manufacturing' - which covers quite a lot of ground from very hi-tech stuff to really basic metal bashing.
What he has then done is simulated what happens if the UK leaves the EU and moves to trading at world prices (note: with no tariffs on imports, unlike some other studies that oddly assume the UK becomes more protectionist after Brexit).
Because EU membership means prices for manufactured goods are artificially high due to protectionist barriers against the USA and the rest of the world, when we leave the EU UK manufacturers' prices decline. This stimulates a shift of resources out of manufacturing (and indeed agriculture) and into other non-protected sectors i.e. services. So manufacturing shrinks.
Key points:
1) the shrinkage occurs because manufacturing currently gets inflated prices from protectionist barriers created by EU membership - not as a result of loss of 'market access'
2) the flipside of this is that UK consumers get lower priced manufactured goods from the ROW in place to some extent of higher-priced imports from the EU. This is a welfare gain.
3) this is a stylised model result based on an aggregated manufacturing sector. In practice, manufacturing is more varied a sector than the model allows with some sectors very competitive at world prices as well. These sectors would not disappear and indeed might grow as resources might shift from less competitive subsectors of manufacturing into them.
4) the point of the model is to illustrate that EU membership currently distorts the structure of the economy and creates welfare losses for the UK, these would unwind and produce benefits if you leave the EU and adopt liberal trade policies
5) In practice we are unlikely to go 100% to free trade in manufacturing or agriculture which reduce the degree of eventual economic restructuring. But moves in that direction are welfare-enhancing (including an EFTA/EEA arrangement).
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.
He really isn't - he's very sharp.
I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.
No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.
Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.
Humans are infinitely adaptable to climate? Right. Strange, then, that the Sahara Desert is not as densely populated as the plains of temperate Europe. We must be missing a trick there. And I'm sure the good inhabitants of Helsinki will have no problems at all adapting to an underwater lifestyle.
No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.
The right wing of Labour have done a great job here of beginning to get rid of Jezza - they are pulling down his support rather than go straight to the headshot.
Yes. This could actually be good for Labour, and bad for the Tories. Get rid of the Corbynites, install Jarvis, they win the next GE easily.
But they have to get past the crazy membership, first....
Twitter will soon be alive with Momentum nut-jobs saying Ken was misrepresented by evil media.
Ken was a fookin idiot to get involved in this today.
Mann and the list of right wing Labour MPs who want Lab under Corbyn to fail jeopardising London for their own ends.
From my point of view two parties on the left is the only way forward. SDP2 please.
When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such content
Well just look at the timing as well, a week before the London Mayor elections and a row about Labour pandering to Muslims has broken out.
But if you look at the relative sizes of the London Jewish and Muslim communities, I suspect Labour being seen as pro Muslim is not going to hurt them...
Well I think the point is that Labour will have to publicly distance themselves from the anti-Semitic rhetoric that seems to have infected the party over the last 5-7 years which will suppress Muslim turn out, while also being alarming to non-Muslims across London who will be more motivated to turn out for Zac in order to stop Khan. As Mike said in an earlier thread, punters piling in on Khan haven't taken into account that the Tories have one of the most ruthlessly efficient campaign machines. It's what worries me about the referendum, the Tory machine hasn't even been turned its fire at Leave yet.
@patrick_kidd: "You've lost it Mr Livingstone, you need help. What are you on?" John Mann MP lays into the hug-a-Hitler former mayor
Hug-A-Hitler...brilliant.
John Mann never one to turn up on TV without a petrol can.
What a complete shambles. Labour right wing out to get the current leadership.
Livingstone must be completely thick at best to bring Adolf into this
This is why Labour is totally and utterly screwed. Instead of dealing with the anti-Semitism that is now rife in parts of the party, members see calls to tackle it as an attack on the leader. Thus, you get the disgusting sight of the disgusting Ken Livingstone defending Adolf Fucking Hitler on the television as a member of the NEC.
Do Labour members begin to understand that they are destroying their party's brand and also consigning the country to year upon year of inept and destructive right wing rule?
What's the point? It's beyond parody. It was like a brilliant parody of itself. It was perfect. If was like it was scripted by Aaron Sorkin in a moment of genius.
There were so many WTF lines it was hard to keep up. I liked the moment Ken denied sympathy for Hitler by saying that Hitler killed lefties like him too.
Patrick Minford has probably given "remain" the most ammunition yet.
Yup, and to think all those Leavers ramping up Patrick Minford have gone curiously quiet.
I think it's a clanger of the first order.
But as someone who 'ramped up' Prof. Minford (as in suggested he should have more of a role in the Leave campaign), I see this as more evidence of that than less. People - Nigel, Minford, Arron Banks - whomever, need to be brought within the fold of the official campaign, simply so things like '£4,300 is a bargain' don't happen.
It doesn't surprise me at all that Thatcher's economic adviser thinks manufacturing will dry up and we'll move over to services. However, it could have been phrased that 'I don't think Brexit will stop the move from manufacturing to a service economy, but I'm optimistic that we can make this work...' - same thing, much less damaging soundbite.
When Remain wins, and I've never wavered in my view that they will, I will blame Vote Leave a great deal. They have a lot to answer for.
Arron Banks did it again yesterday, as I said earlier, the YouGov economic supplementaries are moving even further to Remain.
The right wing of Labour have done a great job here of beginning to get rid of Jezza - they are pulling down his support rather than go straight to the headshot.
Yes. This could actually be good for Labour, and bad for the Tories. Get rid of the Corbynites, install Jarvis, they win the next GE easily.
But they have to get past the crazy membership, first....
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?
Just been listening to that this morning.
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.
That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.
He really isn't - he's very sharp.
I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.
No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.
Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.
Humans are infinitely adaptable to climate? Right. Strange, then, that the Sahara Desert is not as densely populated as the plains of temperate Europe. We must be missing a trick there. And I'm sure the good inhabitants of Helsinki will have no problems at all adapting to an underwater lifestyle.
No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.
You talk such colossal twaddle. The story of the Ark was founded in Egypt when what was then an area very prone to flooding. The Nile changed course and a whole city was abandoned. Millions of migrants are walking to the EU now. You appear to think humans are trapped in amber.
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
So, Ken doesn't hate jews, except those that live in Israel.
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
So, Ken doesn't hate jews, except those that live in Israel.
and the journalists who ask him difficult questions
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
So, Ken doesn't hate jews, except those that live in Israel.
I may be in a minority here, but I'm fairly relaxed about nutters venting their views on any platform they're given. We've gone too far the other way. At least Ken says what he thinks and won't ever apologise. Apologies for saying what you think are never real apologies anyway.
If someone says that old gits like me should be burnt alive, I'll take it as a straightforward insult, but that's life. How can that be offensive?
If we discover that Cameron has said somewhere that the working class are all obnoxious oiks - it's fair comment. It would be his opinion. He'd apologise for political reasons, but he'd never mean it.
I think Jezza is a loon - I can almost hear the white coats flapping when he gets up to speak. I doubt if he loses sleep over my opinion.
We don't all need safe spaces, we live in the real world.
Edit: but hypocrisy I dislike. And Ken would be the first to cry racist, fascist or whatever phobe is fashionable. That's his real crime.
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
So, Ken doesn't hate jews, except those that live in Israel.
But, wanting to deport the Jews to Israel is okay, at which point it becomes okay to hate them presumably...
This breakdown will now be Ken's footnote in the history of this era. That a former Mayor of London could even think about publicly getting into this is indicative of a serious problem in society which goes beyond the Labour party.
Thatcher's decision to abolish Ken's GLC looks better than ever today.
Jim WatersonVerified account @jimwaterson 2m2 minutes ago Ken Livingstone is in a toilet and the British news media are camped outside the door asking if he agrees with Hitler.
Luckily for her, Hug-a-Hitler has one upped her and she will probably get away with quite incredible comments. If anybody used the same defence for people sharing / liking similar social media posts about black people or Muslims, they would be toast.
Feel a bit sorry for Owen Jones. He's clearly smart, just naive. He now knows backing Corbyn was a terrible, terrible error.
He's just another useful idiot. He has got what he voted for: a hard left Labour leadership willing to pander to any cause, tolerate any view, just as long as it sits with their anti-American, anti-Western agenda.
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
So, Ken doesn't hate jews, except those that live in Israel.
Luckily for her, Hug-a-Hitler has one upped her and she will probably get away with quite incredible comments. If anybody used the same defence for people sharing / liking similar social media posts about black people or Muslims, they would be toast.
I don't think she is safe.
Shah is scalp number 1 Livingstone should be scalp number 2
Why not go for the hat-trick and get Huq as well?
Staines loves going after these things - and now this has hit the mainstream media (in spectacular fashion), it will not die down because Ken is slapped.
Anoosh Chakelian @Anoosh_C Ken: "A real antisemite doesn't just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbour in Golders Green or in Stoke Newington".
That is what Ken said on the telly, I heard it. And that was the beginning of the interview, before he *really* lost it.
When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such content
Well just look at the timing as well, a week before the London Mayor elections and a row about Labour pandering to Muslims has broken out.
But if you look at the relative sizes of the London Jewish and Muslim communities, I suspect Labour being seen as pro Muslim is not going to hurt them...
When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such content
Well just look at the timing as well, a week before the London Mayor elections and a row about Labour pandering to Muslims has broken out.
But if you look at the relative sizes of the London Jewish and Muslim communities, I suspect Labour being seen as pro Muslim is not going to hurt them...
As white voters think WTF
All voters should think that - but I am not sure how many of them will actually care. They should - but I don't believe they will.
This explosion of anti-semitism in the UK will be noted and used by Donald Trump as a complete vindication of his policy on muslims.
He may have just bagged the US jewish lobby....
On Vice and BBC, they have in the past few weeks both run documentaries on the fact 1000's of French Jews (record number by recent history) have left for Israel, with their primarily reason being rise of anti-semitism in Europe.
When Staines dusted off his dossier on Naz Shah a couple of days ago, I don't think even he will have expected how this has gone down.
And I suspect he has more ready to launch - because Shah is surely not the only one with a twitter/facebook history with such content
Well just look at the timing as well, a week before the London Mayor elections and a row about Labour pandering to Muslims has broken out.
But if you look at the relative sizes of the London Jewish and Muslim communities, I suspect Labour being seen as pro Muslim is not going to hurt them...
As white voters think WTF
Yesterday I thought a UKIP tory coalition in white working class bastion Wales was but a childish pipe dream.
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@MattSingh_: I understand that at least two opinion pollsters are planning to re-run their final polls for next week, following the #KenLivingstone row
What a complete shambles. Labour right wing out to get the current leadership.
Livingstone must be completely thick at best to bring Adolf into this
Consider:
The incoming Hillsborough, Rotherham , and a few years down the line Orgreave/Miners Strike costs ( I think there'll be renewed scrutiny on that now...) compensation, legal fees etc and South Yorkshire ain't going to have a functioning police force at all.
SYP needs to be scrapped, but the residents of Sheffield and the south of Yorkshire do need a police force - hence my proposed idea.
But as someone who 'ramped up' Prof. Minford (as in suggested he should have more of a role in the Leave campaign), I see this as more evidence of that than less. People - Nigel, Minford, Arron Banks - whomever, need to be brought within the fold of the official campaign, simply so things like '£4,300 is a bargain' don't happen.
It doesn't surprise me at all that Thatcher's economic adviser thinks manufacturing will dry up and we'll move over to services. However, it could have been phrased that 'I don't think Brexit will stop the move from manufacturing to a service economy, but I'm optimistic that we can make this work...' - same thing, much less damaging soundbite.
When Remain wins, and I've never wavered in my view that they will, I will blame Vote Leave a great deal. They have a lot to answer for.
Minford has produced a model of the UK and global trade which is divided into broad geographical areas and very broad economic sectors, one of which is 'manufacturing' - which covers quite a lot of ground from very hi-tech stuff to really basic metal bashing.
What he has then done is simulated what happens if the UK leaves the EU and moves to trading at world prices (note: with no tariffs on imports, unlike some other studies that oddly assume the UK becomes more protectionist after Brexit).
Because EU membership means prices for manufactured goods are artificially high due to protectionist barriers against the USA and the rest of the world, when we leave the EU UK manufacturers' prices decline. This stimulates a shift of resources out of manufacturing (and indeed agriculture) and into other non-protected sectors i.e. services. So manufacturing shrinks.
Key points:
1) the shrinkage occurs because manufacturing currently gets inflated prices from protectionist barriers created by EU membership - not as a result of loss of 'market access'
2) the flipside of this is that UK consumers get lower priced manufactured goods from the ROW in place to some extent of higher-priced imports from the EU. This is a welfare gain.
3) this is a stylised model result based on an aggregated manufacturing sector. In practice, manufacturing is more varied a sector than the model allows with some sectors very competitive at world prices as well. These sectors would not disappear and indeed might grow as resources might shift from less competitive subsectors of manufacturing into them.
4) the point of the model is to illustrate that EU membership currently distorts the structure of the economy and creates welfare losses for the UK, these would unwind and produce benefits if you leave the EU and adopt liberal trade policies
5) In practice we are unlikely to go 100% to free trade in manufacturing or agriculture which reduce the degree of eventual economic restructuring. But moves in that direction are welfare-enhancing (including an EFTA/EEA arrangement).
Good grief. Just when you think it surely can't get any worse. It does.
No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.
Mann and the list of right wing Labour MPs who want Lab under Corbyn to fail jeopardising London for their own ends.
From my point of view two parties on the left is the only way forward. SDP2 please.
Poor lad, just when he thought 5 more years of the Tories was going to be hell...
Do Labour members begin to understand that they are destroying their party's brand and also consigning the country to year upon year of inept and destructive right wing rule?
It is utterly shameful.
Your anger with Vote Leave is justified.
See also: Johann Hari.
Makes Natalie Bennett with a cold look like a glorious triumph
Corbyn needed to have dealt with this an hour ago. Immediate suspension with a meeting to expel scheduled on Monday. But he doesn't have the balls
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/725648972279365633
If someone says that old gits like me should be burnt alive, I'll take it as a straightforward insult, but that's life. How can that be offensive?
If we discover that Cameron has said somewhere that the working class are all obnoxious oiks - it's fair comment. It would be his opinion. He'd apologise for political reasons, but he'd never mean it.
I think Jezza is a loon - I can almost hear the white coats flapping when he gets up to speak. I doubt if he loses sleep over my opinion.
We don't all need safe spaces, we live in the real world.
Edit: but hypocrisy I dislike. And Ken would be the first to cry racist, fascist or whatever phobe is fashionable. That's his real crime.
https://twitter.com/jonlansman/status/725653626748833797
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/listen-rupa-huqs-disastrous-turn-on-today/
Apparently it was Facebook's fault
This breakdown will now be Ken's footnote in the history of this era. That a former Mayor of London could even think about publicly getting into this is indicative of a serious problem in society which goes beyond the Labour party.
Thatcher's decision to abolish Ken's GLC looks better than ever today.
Ken Livingstone is in a toilet and the British news media are camped outside the door asking if he agrees with Hitler.
That is why he was so calm. A massive, life-long delusion about his own twisted belief system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XeDECluDCg
Shah is scalp number 1
Livingstone should be scalp number 2
Why not go for the hat-trick and get Huq as well?
Staines loves going after these things - and now this has hit the mainstream media (in spectacular fashion), it will not die down because Ken is slapped.
Flat earthers and AGW doomers were once such a majority.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200
He may have just bagged the US jewish lobby....
He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair
Today.......