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Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
Labour are finished.williamglenn said:
The referendum will lead to an existential crisis for Labour that they are ill-prepared to withstand.Sean_F said:Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
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I understand. Thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
YouGov don't go into that level of detail.Casino_Royale said:
I'd like to see the split of the ABs without the C1s, personally.TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
This is going to sound very condescending, patronising, and elitist of me, but there's a reason Cameron decided to hold the referendum during the European Championships, that split explains it.0 -
Sterling work from Ken, there, who looks like he'll be going back to following through a Mayoral election as an independent. He needs to be expelled from the party for unfathomable stupidity before anyone even considers the substantive case. If ever there was a man to react to a witch hunt by putting on a pointy hat and a fake nose and issuing prophecies about various Thanes, it's him.0
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It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.david_herdson said:
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?0 -
To be honest, Blairites would not be seen dead fellating trade unions.Plato_Says said:
I was a Blairite. He's not appealing to me at all. I've no idea who he is anymore. He's pork-barreling HMG to win.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
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Labour MP in safe seat campaigns for Labour in general election: pretty thin gruel.FrancisUrquhart said:Sadiq Khan acting all shocked....lets not forget his own speechwriter* had to be sacked for disgusting social media posts both before and during his employment with Khan. Either Khan is incompetent and never checked or he turned a blind eye.
And shock horror...
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/khan-campaigned-for-naz-shah-defended-ken-on-anti-semitism/
* and nobody seemed to wonder how this guy got the job in the first place given his piss poor qualifications / suitability for the role.0 -
Staff joining the BBC will be asked about their socio-economic background, as part of a bid to increase diversity at the corporation.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.0 -
I am fairly sure I used to have paid holidays from work before 1973, too.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I oppose the view that we have these because of Europe. Equal treatment of workers on grounds of their sex comes from UK law back in the 1970s or earlier etc etc. We have a UK PM ignoring our history of making our own laws and being proud about that.Innocent_Abroad said:
Which of those do you oppose?TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
As a fine point of interest until 1834 England and Wales had 33 "bank holidays" a year. These were based on religious festivals and saints' days and were a reduction in number from the number of holidays granted in the medieval period. An English peasant in the 14th century probably had more days off in a year than most modern workers. Prior to the Black Death he was also given two free slap-up feasts a year by his employer.0 -
How do you define finished?Innocent_Abroad said:
Labour are finished.williamglenn said:
The referendum will lead to an existential crisis for Labour that they are ill-prepared to withstand.Sean_F said:Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
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No surprise at all, Guido's got Sadiq Khan campaigning for Naz Shah and defending Ken against allegations of anti-semitism last year.
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/khan-campaigned-for-naz-shah-defended-ken-on-anti-semitism/
This isn't going to go away, what Chance Guido's got enough to keep it running for a week? Khan lay price 1.06 on Betfair, just saying.0 -
Livingstone in the cross hairs.0
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Its the Livingstone claims I was pointing to...not "thin gruel". Also, its long long list of stuff, a consistent pattern of unfortunate appearances, meetings, articles and comments.DecrepitJohnL said:
Labour MP in safe seat campaigns for Labour in general election: pretty thin gruel.FrancisUrquhart said:Sadiq Khan acting all shocked....lets not forget his own speechwriter* had to be sacked for disgusting social media posts both before and during his employment with Khan. Either Khan is incompetent and never checked or he turned a blind eye.
And shock horror...
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/khan-campaigned-for-naz-shah-defended-ken-on-anti-semitism/
* and nobody seemed to wonder how this guy got the job in the first place given his piss poor qualifications / suitability for the role.
My personal opinion is Khan just doesn't want to upset a certain key demographic and his trying to play it both ways has meant he never "stands up extremists".0 -
Indeed. Utterly brazen. But I can't help but admire Dave's chutzpah. Probably good tactics too. Consider how your average Guardianista will be weighing up his Euro-decision:SandyRentool said:
These rights would only be at risk because the fecking Tories would want to take them away!TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?
Either Cameron is a total hypocrite or he has just crossed the floor of the house.
Vote Remain: The Tories will be less able to smash workers' rights and return us to Dickensian squalor and exploitation.
Vote Leave: Give Cameron a kick in the nethers.
But now Dave has sided with the angels, and if you vote Leave he'll most likely be replaced by someone who really will relish crushing the poor beneath his boot. Dave is shepherding the Liberal-Left towards Remain. It's transparent, it's shameless and it will probably work.0 -
It was a fine speech - on playback - Hannan's always are.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.
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The most effected and those who know better where this is all going. I'm struggling to get off the sofa next week to vote for my Tory PCC. If there were locals my way, I'd split my vote UKIP and Tory.Sean_F said:Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
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London Mayoral poll, no VI
Zac Goldsmith is seen as “rich” and Sadiq Khan as “untrustworthy”, according to research that reveals what Londoners really think about the rivals in the election for Mayor of London.
More than 1,000 people were shown pictures of the two men by pollsters Populus and asked to put down the first word or phrase that came to mind.
For Tory candidate Mr Goldsmith, 98 people’s instant reaction was about his wealthy background, 80 thought him “posh”, and 39 said “privileged”.
Less commonly, 23 said “out of touch” and 22 “smug”, while 15 said “idiot”.
For Mr Khan, 58 people gave words such as “dodgy” and “shifty”, but 39 thought him “trustworthy” or “honest”.
Thirty six people said “Muslim”, 35 “Labour”, 34 “good for London”, and 21 “friendly”. Again, 15 said “idiot”.
The research was designed to tap into gut feelings and, unlike most polling, none of the words was prompted. People were shown photographs from the candidates’ publicity material to ensure fairness. Among other findings:
Mr Khan is slightly better known, with 69 per cent of those polled able to name him, compared with 65 per cent who recognised Mr Goldsmith. The Tory was better known among the elderly but less well known among people from minority ethnic communities.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/zac-goldsmith-is-privileged-and-sadiq-is-shifty-what-londoners-really-think-about-the-mayoral-a3235671.html0 -
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.FrancisUrquhart said:Staff joining the BBC will be asked about their socio-economic background, as part of a bid to increase diversity at the corporation.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.0 -
The more Cameron associates himself with REMAIN when talking to Labour supporters the more he embeds the thought that REMAIN = a vote for Cameron. Good news for LEAVE. Terrible news for the Conservative party. It makes ousting Cameron a near certainty post June 23rd. Corbyn needs to stick in the knife at the next PMQs.david_herdson said:
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?0 -
Sounds about spot on to me.TheScreamingEagles said:London Mayoral poll, no VI
Zac Goldsmith is seen as “rich” and Sadiq Khan as “untrustworthy”, according to research that reveals what Londoners really think about the rivals in the election for Mayor of London.
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Losing at leasr 50 seats at the next GE. Ceasing to even be the Opposition at the GE after next.bigjohnowls said:
How do you define finished?Innocent_Abroad said:
Labour are finished.williamglenn said:
The referendum will lead to an existential crisis for Labour that they are ill-prepared to withstand.Sean_F said:Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
Winning back London or gaining on Tories since 2015
Labour needs class to be the principal source of political cleavage. It no longer is.
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Bwhahahahah that's a lost cause, Cameron is going to get kicked big time.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.david_herdson said:
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?0 -
The message is vote Remain to save the country from my government.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's all about making sure the referendum isn't framed as an opportunity to kick Cameron or the Tories.david_herdson said:
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?0 -
@tamcohen: Ken Livingstone rang Sky News and said he was 'quoting historical fact and will not give credence to those calling for his resignation'0
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Alan Sugar
http://www.amshold.com/social_media/LondonMayor.htm
WHY LONDONERS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR SADIQ KHAN ON MAY 5TH0 -
oh, i know her!TheScreamingEagles said:@tamcohen: Ken Livingstone rang Sky News and said he was 'quoting historical fact and will not give credence to those calling for his resignation'
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And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.Pulpstar said:
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.FrancisUrquhart said:Staff joining the BBC will be asked about their socio-economic background, as part of a bid to increase diversity at the corporation.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.0 -
They are not finished then if those are the measures.Innocent_Abroad said:
Losing at leasr 50 seats at the next GE. Ceasing to even be the Opposition at the GE after next.bigjohnowls said:
How do you define finished?Innocent_Abroad said:
Labour are finished.williamglenn said:
The referendum will lead to an existential crisis for Labour that they are ill-prepared to withstand.Sean_F said:Some extraordinary numbers from Yougov. UKIP are on 31% with working class voters and 24% among voters aged over 50.
Winning back London or gaining on Tories since 2015
As for ever forming a Majority Government in the forseable future that is difficult to envisage0 -
I wonder if they will ask what paper you and your parents take ;-)Sean_F said:
And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.Pulpstar said:
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.FrancisUrquhart said:Staff joining the BBC will be asked about their socio-economic background, as part of a bid to increase diversity at the corporation.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.0 -
Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.0
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He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
Contrary to the views of a few REMAINers
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html
We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).
So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!0 -
No doubt he agrees with Jean Marie Le Pen that this is simply a detail of history.TheScreamingEagles said:@tamcohen: Ken Livingstone rang Sky News and said he was 'quoting historical fact and will not give credence to those calling for his resignation'
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So Lab have finally managed to triangulate a coup against Jezza under cover of an anti-anti-semitism drive.
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Sugar is a maybe!!TCPoliticalBetting said:Alan Sugar
http://www.amshold.com/social_media/LondonMayor.htm
WHY LONDONERS SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR SADIQ KHAN ON MAY 5TH0 -
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.0 -
Vanessa Feltz: “It was over the top. Over the top of what?”
Ken Livingstone: “To think of anti-Semitism and racism as exactly the same thing.”
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/ken-anti-semitism-is-not-racism/
That hole is very very deep...and he is still furiously digging.0 -
That's not surprising. It would be a very poor result if UKIP failed to win top up seats. Just 6-7% would give them two seats.Dixie said:Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.
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Livingstone couldn't even get the year of Hitler's election victory correct: it was 1933.TheScreamingEagles said:@tamcohen: Ken Livingstone rang Sky News and said he was 'quoting historical fact and will not give credence to those calling for his resignation'
In 1932 there were two elections, the second of which saw the Nazis lose votes, albeit still the largest party.
As ever, he is lying.0 -
You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).0
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Quite. Faisal Islam is visibly WTF on Sky.Casino_Royale said:
To be honest, Blairites would not be seen dead fellating trade unions.Plato_Says said:
I was a Blairite. He's not appealing to me at all. I've no idea who he is anymore. He's pork-barreling HMG to win.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
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Mr. Owls, I am of the opinion that the UK would a better country in which to live out of the EU and should leave. I have held that opinion for more than 20 years. It won't change regardless of the vote in June.bigjohnowls said:
Some Leavers are Rabid though.Stark_Dawning said:
If Remain wins - by whatever margin - Cameron and Osborne will be fine. This is reminding me of the Left's travails over unilateral disarmament in the 1980s. Yes, there was no end of abuse and bitterness whilst the argument raged, but once the view was settled everyone just shrugged and moved on. Even a die-hard unilateralist like Corbyn becoming leader hasn't revivified the matter. This will be Leave's last battle. If they lose, neither they nor anyone else will be able to summon up the energy to persevere any more.Sandpit said:
After the effort he has put in and the number of his own side he's alienated in the process, Cameron has to win big or he's likely to be toast in short order. 60-40 as a minimum to avoid a challenge over the summer?GIN1138 said:FTPT
TheScreamingEagles said:
You sound like a lefty class warrior. You're going to be very disappointed if Remain wins aren't you?GIN1138 said:
People have had it with the Posh Boys.TheScreamingEagles said:Zac's down to 2% on Betfair, new poll coming out ?
I'm expecting REMAIN to win after everything they've done.
In a way that's when the fun begins as we can start setting about destroying Cameron and Osborne for their treachery. We've got to see both of them humiliated and turfed out of office in disgrace.
Realistically Cameron will be off on his own terms I suppose, but we can still tear Osborne to pieces (especially if the Tories are mad enough to make him leader - Fingers crossed)
As a unilateralist in the 80's I was wrong.
Cant see the reasonable leavers like Casino, Sean Fear let alone the even more rabid leavers saying that ever should Remain win.
I am 67% Leave 33% WNV at the moment BTW
If Remain win I shall continue to quietly argue my position and to gently campaign for it, just as I have for the last 20 years. Once I was in a very small minority, now my line of thought has become mainstream, in the future it might become the majority view.0 -
I think he might be a little broader and more talented than you thinkTOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
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I'll never forget his speech on 7/7, very impressive. What happened to him?GarethoftheVale2 said:You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
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POPCORN TIME!!!!!dr_spyn said:Who thought this was a good idea.
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Livingstone is a thoroughly unpleasant chap, always has been.GarethoftheVale2 said:You have to wonder what happened to Livingstone. He used to come across as a bit of a cheeky chappy but now seems to want to be as deliberately offensive as possible (a left wing Katie Hopkins).
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According to Yougov, Conservative voters from 2015 split 52/32 in favour of Leave, although that falls to 48/40 among current Conservative voters.0
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Someone needs to suspend him from the party before that goes on air.dr_spyn said:Who thought this was a good idea.
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Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
He can speak Spanish. Excellent. He is speaking in Spanish about the EU.Indigo said:
I think he might be a little broader and more talented than you thinkTOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
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Somebody said he's the modern day Sir Keith Joseph, looking for a Thatcher to influence.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
EU MP standing in the EU Parliament speaks about EU shock.TOPPING said:
He can speak Spanish. Excellent. He is speaking in Spanish about the EU.Indigo said:
I think he might be a little broader and more talented than you thinkTOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
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I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.Sandpit said:
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
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The BBC won't employ people they feel are decidedly non-U on the big issues. What they might do is increase the % of people from poorer socio-economic backgrounds who agree with them.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder if they will ask what paper you and your parents take ;-)Sean_F said:
And it will make not a jot of difference to the socio-economic profile of the people that the BBC employs.Pulpstar said:
This sort of "profiling" shit is ridiculous, I was the first member of my family to attend university - but went to the same private school as my Dad.FrancisUrquhart said:Staff joining the BBC will be asked about their socio-economic background, as part of a bid to increase diversity at the corporation.
Candidates will be asked if they were entitled to free school meals, and if their parents attended university.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36158304
If I was asked this on a job application, I think I would want to tell him to f##k off, you are hiring me not my parents or family background....and neither of my folks went to uni etc, so I should be one of those to be favoured.
Apart from token Righties (like Clarkson, Neil etc.) the BBC would never employ social-cultural conservatives, EU leavers, climate change deniers, wholesale public sector downsizers, or those those against multi-culturalism.
But they will invite token representatives on now and again (onto their key programmes) to avoid the charge.0 -
Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.0 -
The Labour / lefty pathology of 'Islamophobia is racist but anti-Semitism is just fine' is really come back to bite them now. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.0
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http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/pressure-from-labour-mps-for-suspension-of-ken-mounts/
Ball back with you Jahadi Jez....0 -
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I'd love A. Neil to skewer Livingstone on air but he probably won't.0
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The comments by Huq this morning were incredibly revealing. Nobody would even think of deploying that "defence" if the comments related to black people or Muslims.Patrick said:The Labour / lefty pathology of 'Islamophobia is racist but anti-Semitism is just fine' is really come back to bite them now. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.
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In this referendum, Cameron has given £9m of taxpayers money to the Remain campaign, and stitched up a deal with the unions so they will give another £2m. I don't know how anyone can believe he is a principled and ethical leader. It's the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a mayor of Naples or Baltimore.0
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My Labour voting friends are looking forward to kicking Cameron in the gonads on this EU vote, by voting Leave - despite their politics not changing on the EU. They're not impressed with Corbyn, and one even openly talked of voting UKIP in protest at immigration the GE. I really can't tell WTF is going on. Old labels don't seem to be playing the game.TCPoliticalBetting said:
The more Cameron associates himself with REMAIN when talking to Labour supporters the more he embeds the thought that REMAIN = a vote for Cameron. Good news for LEAVE. Terrible news for the Conservative party. It makes ousting Cameron a near certainty post June 23rd. Corbyn needs to stick in the knife at the next PMQs.david_herdson said:
I have absolutely no idea why Cameron has 'co-authored' the piece. It would stand perfectly well - within its context - coming from just barber.TCPoliticalBetting said:
I did not think I would ever see a Leader of the Conservative party issue this statement unless they defected to the Lib Dems or Labour.Indigo said:
Cameron is virtue signalling to Blairites, it has ever been thus, hugging hoodies, huskies, turbines on the roof and now fellating trades unions over the EU, he is a disgrace.Sandpit said:
But how many of the "Poorest in our Country" read the Guardian? They're preaching to the choir, would have been much better off writing in the Mirror!Plato_Says said:/twitter.com/faisalislam/status/725615308061478913
" being in Europe has helped to deliver many of the crucial rights that underpin fairness at work. Paid holidays, maternity rights, equal treatment for the millions of people working part-time, protections for agency workers, even equal pay for women at work: all are guaranteed by Europe and all could be at risk if we left."
Maybe that is what Cameron has really done?0 -
Alien vs Predator....dr_spyn said:Corbyn will be hoping that this won't swing postal votes.
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That's the first time I've ever heard a Conservative say that about him.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.
He really isn't - he's very sharp.0 -
They can keep him....AlastairMeeks said:He'll be reaching Australia soon:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/7256374819709952010 -
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
If they really have no place in the party why is she still in it?TheScreamingEagles said:And another one
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The Green lady has a real problem trying to explain the difference between Greenies and Labour in a radio intv earlier.Dixie said:Anecdote alert: UKIP now bigging up they will win Assembly Member seats in London on London wide ballot. They've been too piss poor to understand anything before but they are very confident now. Greens/Libs message being drowned out by Labour's bigotry.
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please drop the Tories word. they are no Tories. I know Tories. These are blairite usurpers.Luckyguy1983 said:Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.
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Even Donald Trump knew to quickly stop digging with his abortion comments !0
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Damn! I posted my votes off yesterday.dr_spyn said:Corbyn will be hoping that this won't swing postal votes.
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Nice pussy.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hard to imagine Ken writing to Jezza in the terms Strafford did to Charles.AlastairMeeks said:It's a lot easier to go after the Earl of Strafford than to go after the king.
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That's not really fair. Members carry more weight in pushing for change than non-members. The stomp-off-in-a-huff response rarely achieves the outcome the person stomping hopes for.TCPoliticalBetting said:
If they really have no place in the party why is she still in it?TheScreamingEagles said:And another one
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Dear politicians,
I'm trying to get some work done.
Could you all stop going nuts for a short while?
Thanks.
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Ken Livingstone: "If you're anti-Semitic you hate all Jews, not just the ones in Israel."0
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I agree. Do pardon my error.TCPoliticalBetting said:
please drop the Tories word. they are no Tories. I know Tories. These are blairite usurpers.Luckyguy1983 said:Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.0 -
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with you and I AM receiving medical help as a result. Fortunately the prognosis for eventual full recovery is positive, but it's one step at a time.Luckyguy1983 said:
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
That's an interesting use of the word hierarchy. I often think Labour has a hierarchy of victims which is why Jess Philips slandered the good men of Birmingham with her comments on Question Time: Immigrants > WomenTheScreamingEagles said:And another one
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wow. my little guesstimate spread sheet only had 55/45 for GE2015 Conservatives. I will update with revised party vote %.Sean_F said:According to Yougov, Conservative voters from 2015 split 52/32 in favour of Leave, although that falls to 48/40 among current Conservative voters.
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Blimey.williamglenn said:Ken Livingstone: "If you're anti-Semitic you hate all Jews, not just the ones in Israel."
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Yes. Good point. Leave need to emphasize the Left-wing case for Leave: easier implementation of tariffs and trading blockades; undermining of NATO; abolishment of immigration and resulting wage competition setting comrade against comrade; fragmentation of euro-imperialist culture; undermining of the liberal-capitalist EU.Luckyguy1983 said:Remain seem very worried about their 'left flank', hence the union money, this latest Cameron effort, and perhaps their current script of advising Leavers to bang on about immigration (I mean really wtf?), so as to alienate and 'fire up' left wing soft Remainers.
All very encouraging, and it would seem to me that as a response, Leavers need to paint Remainers as basically ugly duplicitous sneering Tories, which as luck would have it, is mostly what they are.0 -
Livingstone is lying through his teeth: he once told a London Jewish journalist that he should be a concentration camp guard.williamglenn said:Ken Livingstone: "If you're anti-Semitic you hate all Jews, not just the ones in Israel."
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Labour have obviously been feeling left out with all this focus on Tory civil war.0
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I'm delighted to hear it - there's hope yet.JohnO said:
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with youLuckyguy1983 said:
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
I suppose in the same way that some non-homophobes and opponents of South African apartheid felt able to remain in the Tory party during the 80s: you find a party which is closest to you on the issues you are currently most concerned by, and try to work for change on the elements you disagree with.TCPoliticalBetting said:
If they really have no place in the party why is she still in it?TheScreamingEagles said:And another one
https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/7256366867728424960 -
#popcorndr_spyn said:Corbyn will be hoping that this won't swing postal votes.
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/7256366080541573120 -
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I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.HurstLlama said:
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.Sandpit said:
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.0 -
You are Mrs. Slocombe and I claim my 5 tins of WhiskasHurstLlama said:
Nice pussy.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Just wow...all he needed to add was "and I have a Jewish friend so can't be".williamglenn said:Ken Livingstone: "If you're anti-Semitic you hate all Jews, not just the ones in Israel."
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Not for me.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm delighted to hear it - there's hope yet.JohnO said:
On one occasion, even just once, I agreed with youLuckyguy1983 said:
If that's your only divergence with Richard, I'd suggest seeking medical help.JohnO said:
Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.TOPPING said:
He (Hannan), however, was poor on QT, when asked to opine on broader issues. He is the obverse of Nige: very appealing, easy to like, but, sadly, as single-issue obsessed as Farage.Sandpit said:
Just been listening to that this morning.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Very good debate from all sides, Hannan's speech in particular was of his usual quality, it would be good to see more of him. Also good to hear that they sold out a huge theatre for the debate, over 2k people including our own @Casino_Royale I believe.0 -
While he's on air would be funnier, albeit not really fair to due process.Polruan said:
Someone needs to suspend him from the party before that goes on air.dr_spyn said:Who thought this was a good idea.
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Just completed a Populus survey on the London Mayor election.
Describing the campaign, would you rate them as:
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Boring Yes x2
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Well, that or the shadow cabinet.david_herdson said:
I doubt that's true - parliament has a place for lively mavericks: the back-benches.HurstLlama said:
I disagree, Mr. Pit. If Hannan were in the commons than he would be squished by the rules/conventions on Party loyalty. He would be placing himself at the mercy of the whips and the leader. As an MEP he has much more freedom of action.Sandpit said:
Any politician who starts his speech by asking to made redundant deserves to raise the roof!! Whatever the result of the referendum Hannan should run for Parliament, he really is a wasted talent as an MEP.Casino_Royale said:
I was at that debate. Leave won 2:1 on the voting card.TOPPING said:
There were a lot of ABC1s at the Spectator debate, which Leave "won", didn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Via Mike
YouGov referendum SEG split
ABC1s 51% IN 36% OUT
C2DEs 27% IN 51% OUT
In past elections ABC1s much more likely to vote
Was it a Conservative leaning and politically engaged audience? Yes, but that's precisely why it presages such significance for the internal politics of the Party after the referendum.
I've never seen or heard a politician cheered as loudly as Dan Hannan was. It was deafening.0