The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
I feel sick - the cameras even looked for angles to get christian's face as he was lying face down...
Awful awful scenes.
That's pretty strange - usually when there's a serious injury they don't even show replays, and a collapse is clearly serious.
It is the host broadcaster who did that.
It is interesting that in the UK when there's a serious leg smashing type injury in a domestic match Sky and BT don't show a replay but in Europe they do,
I remember many years ago,New Zealand flanker Michael Jones had a bad injury in a game and they showed that.
David Busst too. His leg went to places a leg shouldn’t go
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
The journalist Amy Maxmen who Leon referred to earlier has got herself in trouble over a photo too. She claimed it had been doctored and she had never met Peter Daszak, but it was from a 90 minute panel she took part in with him.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
I guess it's because I've grown up watching motorsports where death and serious injury are sadly much more commonplace (albeit, a lot rarer than the bad old days).
I feel sick - the cameras even looked for angles to get christian's face as he was lying face down...
Awful awful scenes.
That's pretty strange - usually when there's a serious injury they don't even show replays, and a collapse is clearly serious.
It is the host broadcaster who did that.
It is interesting that in the UK when there's a serious leg smashing type injury in a domestic match Sky and BT don't show a replay but in Europe they do,
I remember many years ago,New Zealand flanker Michael Jones had a bad injury in a game and they showed that.
David Busst too. His leg went to places a leg shouldn’t go
A few years ago I went to a talk by Derek Pringle and he said the only time he wanted to commit violence on a cricket pitch was in New Zealand, David Lawrence had done his knee cap in, the screams still haunt him.
However there was a New Zealand TV cameraman and reporter that decided to try and film Lawrence being stretchered away (and ask him questions.)
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
That’s great if true. It looked very bleak for him. Thank God it happened with top medics on site and presumably defibrillators on hand. If that happened at home or the training ground I think we know the outcome.
I feel sick - the cameras even looked for angles to get christian's face as he was lying face down...
Awful awful scenes.
That's pretty strange - usually when there's a serious injury they don't even show replays, and a collapse is clearly serious.
It is the host broadcaster who did that.
It is interesting that in the UK when there's a serious leg smashing type injury in a domestic match Sky and BT don't show a replay but in Europe they do,
I remember many years ago,New Zealand flanker Michael Jones had a bad injury in a game and they showed that.
David Busst too. His leg went to places a leg shouldn’t go
A few years ago I went to a talk by Derek Pringle and he said the only time he wanted to commit violence on a cricket pitch was in New Zealand, David Lawrence had done his knee cap in, the screams still haunt him.
However there was a New Zealand TV cameraman and reporter that decided to try and film Lawrence being stretchered away (and ask him questions.)
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
I guess it's because I've grown up watching motorsports where death and serious injury are sadly much more commonplace (albeit, a lot rarer than the bad old days).
One guy burnt to death in a French GP, and the camera showed it all.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
I guess it's because I've grown up watching motorsports where death and serious injury are sadly much more commonplace (albeit, a lot rarer than the bad old days).
One guy burnt to death in a French GP, and the camera showed it all.
Didn’t someone go into harbour at Monaco?
Thankfully before my time. I do remember watching the 2000 Italian GP and the helicopter camera showed CPR being performed on a marshall who had been struck by debris.
Apologies for the inappropriate betting post but….
Betfair suspended euro outright market
Denmark out from 25/1 to 50/1 before suspension.
Not that betting matters right now.
Let’s hope the positive rumours are true.
I got them at 50/1 a few weeks ago. If he does pull through I imagine his football career is over. Of course this could galvanise Denmark but equally it could ruin their focus. Just delighted to hear he’s apparently recovering.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
Fair enough, assuming you know or are related to him.
"There are pictures in circulation from a reputable news organisation which I have seen, that suggest Eriksen was conscious and wearing an oxygen mask as left the pitch on a stretcher. We can but hope they are genuine."
Following the medical emergency involving Denmark’s player Christian Eriksen, a crisis meeting has taken place with both teams and match officials and further information will be communicated at 19:45 CET.
The player has been transferred to the hospital and has been stabilised.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
Fair enough, assuming you know or are related to him.
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Broad once scored 169 in a test match. What happened? I know he could hit once but that was more than 10 years ago IIRC.
Well that test was infamous for “other things”. But regardless he’s a tailender. Sometimes he gets useful runs, sometimes he looks like he’s never played the game. It’s well known being hit affected him quite badly. He’s never really got into line since - hence why he so often gets bowled. But if he survives a few overs and gets his eye in he can do some damage.
But essentially, if he could be relied upon, he wouldn’t be batting at 10.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
"Following the medical emergency involving Denmark’s player Christian Eriksen, a crisis meeting has taken place with both teams and match officials and further information will be communicated at 19:45 CET.
The player has been transferred to the hospital and has been stabilised."
That is better news. The stadium is very close to the top hospital I hear.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
So Leon and Trump just rattle on for ever without ever being disproved and never proving a thing?
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
Fair enough, assuming you know or are related to him.
Hello sociopath
Words like ersatz and vicarious are floating round my mind looking for a noun to adhere to.
"Following the medical emergency involving Denmark’s player Christian Eriksen, a crisis meeting has taken place with both teams and match officials and further information will be communicated at 19:45 CET.
The player has been transferred to the hospital and has been stabilised."
That is better news. The stadium is very close to the top hospital I hear.
Yup.
Fabrice Muamba was fortunate that when he had his episode that there was a Spurs fan who was also a cardiologist at the match who made himself known to the stewards and medical staff.
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Depends who you are as a character and on past experience.
If a proper risk taker and happy with risk here, you find out more, ensure that the money up front is more than they imagine it would be and go ahead, once you have seen the colour of the money, prepared to have to decline on professional grounds later on if necessary.
If you are from character or experience more cautious avoid like plague.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
I switched to CNN to escape the UK media’s saturation coverage of the most inaccessible G7 summit ever, and their lead story was Covid Vaccines giving children heart problems. 😕. What can you tell us about that one Bob?
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
Fair enough, assuming you know or are related to him.
Hello sociopath
We don't need to get angry with each other because of what happened in the match.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
I switched to CNN to escape the UK media’s saturation coverage of the most inaccessible G7 summit ever, and their lead story was Covid Vaccines giving children heart problems. 😕. What can you tell us about that one Bob?
FDA very close to linking Pfizer to myocarditis apparently. (At level of “small risk obviously but...)
Just seen it....that looked just like when ny father had a massive heart attack.
Had the incident on live. Completely by chance: put the thing on for background noise whilst I was doing the ironing.
Without giving a blow-by-blow account, it looked to me as if his heart had stopped before he hit the ground. If he comes through this in one piece he can count himself lucky, I think.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
I switched to CNN to escape the UK media’s saturation coverage of the most inaccessible G7 summit ever, and their lead story was Covid Vaccines giving children heart problems. 😕. What can you tell us about that one Bob?
FDA very close to linking Pfizer to myocarditis apparently. (At level of “small risk obviously but...)
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Just seen it....that looked just like when ny father had a massive heart attack.
Had the incident on live. Completely by chance: put the thing on for background noise whilst I was doing the ironing.
Without giving a blow-by-blow account, it looked to me as if his heart had stopped before he hit the ground. If he comes through this in one piece he can count himself lucky, I think.
Possibly lucky this happened in a stadium and not at home, unless something on the pitch was a trigger.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
The BBC are a disgrace for showing that. They should have cut back to the studio immediately. I couldn’t watch that, was ghoulish.
To be honest, anyone is free to turn off.
Yes, we should definitely get in the habit of filming people dying. The option and decision was to not have this sick invasive footage going into millions of homes. I appreciate the pundits were underprepared but that’s live TV.
I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
Why would you want to switch back? Someone was in your perhaps overdramatised view "dying" but you hoped there was a chance of the march was being continued?
Probably because I wanted an update on his condition without watching him lying motionless on the floor? I feel that’s quite a normal approach to these things.
Fair enough, assuming you know or are related to him.
Hello sociopath
We don't need to get angry with each other because of what happened in the match.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I reckon would have passed, easily.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Just seen it....that looked just like when ny father had a massive heart attack.
Had the incident on live. Completely by chance: put the thing on for background noise whilst I was doing the ironing.
Without giving a blow-by-blow account, it looked to me as if his heart had stopped before he hit the ground. If he comes through this in one piece he can count himself lucky, I think.
Possibly lucky this happened in a stadium and not at home, unless something on the pitch was a trigger.
Probably the best possible place outside of a hospital.
Who can say what causes these things to happen? A certain number of perfectly fit and healthy people simply drop like this each year for no apparent reason. A medically knowledgeable personage might have some ideas.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I reckon would have passed, easily.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
If it would have passed, why was it rejected in the indicative votes?
Of course my ideology rejects it and my ideology has no more of a reason to bow down to alignment, than telling the Irish they must leave the EU with us. Any solution needs to recognise that Ireland wants to remain and we want to leave and treat all parties with respect.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
You are changing what you are saying.
It is purely your ideology getting in the way of aligning agriculture standards to the EU.
It aligns to the 2016 referendum result, it deals with the N Ireland issues.
What I want to know is how the virus got from the Wuhan lab, ie the BSL-2 CDC facility where they did much of the research, all the way across the city to the market?
I mean, how could that happen?
What I love about the
That could be a photo of Croydon with Chinese place names turned on.
As cellphone-data-suggests-october-shutdown-wuhan-lab-experts-n1202716
And about 1,000 other examples.
No, that’s the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab about 10km from the market (I think)
Since the plague began, the scientists in Wuhan have admitted much of their work was done in lower level BSL-2 ancillary labs
‘Much of Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an interview with Science magazine that “[t]he coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”’
One of these is alleged to be the Wuhan ‘CDC’. I happily confess I can’t prove that’s it in the photo. But I have seen several maps which show the BSL-2 and 3 labs are much nearer the market
As ever, you bluster loudly but you’re embarrassingly ill-informed
Sorry: there is literally ZERO evidence that that photo is of either the wet market or the the Wuhan lab.
It's a photo. With circles on it. Providence unknown.
One of the circles says "Wuhan CDC". Which doesn't exist,
The other says "Market".
And I'm the one ill informed?
Are you high?
You didn’t even do your ‘ten seconds of research’ to find out if there were multiple labs in Wuhan. There are. Oh dear.
You don't even know that photo is from Wuhan.
The only thing we know for sure is that "Wuhan CDC" doesn't exist.
And I'm the one not doing my research?
I HAVE done my research. I’m 99% sure that is a map of central Wuhan. And it correctly identifies the Wuhan wet market
However the circled building appears to be a Ramen bar. Which, I confess, does not sound like an evil bioweapon lab
That said, right next door is a research hospital. Who knows. Where are the other, lower level labs? It’s quite an important detail
I did the same search on Google
Two things: 1. That's a seafood market, so are we sure that's the alleged wet market, anyway? And 2. If you look around the images, the hospital is in the middle of some really fancy office and hotel space.
The Wuhan Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (Chinese: 武汉华南海鲜批发市场),[1][2] also known as the Huanan Seafood Market[3] (Huanan means 'South China'), was a live animal and seafood market in Jianghan District, Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei Province in Central China.
The market became widely known worldwide after being identified as the 'Ground Zero'…
So, it's down to a simple question: was "Wuhan CDC" (which doesn't exist) actually the lab, or was it a noodle bar?
Well, it looks like I’m right and you’re wrong. AGAIN
Check this thread, it links to a live Baidu map which confirms the other red circle is basically correct. That’s the Wuhan Jianghan Disease Prevention and Control Centre
‘The location on the map linked on project-evidence.github.io has changed since the screenshot. Chinese locations have not been accurate on Google Maps in the past, due to restrictions. The correct walking distance between Huanan Seafood Market and Wuhan CDC is most likely 0.5km.’
Has he proved the lab theory now then? - With that photo?
No, he had not proven it.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
I switched to CNN to escape the UK media’s saturation coverage of the most inaccessible G7 summit ever, and their lead story was Covid Vaccines giving children heart problems. 😕. What can you tell us about that one Bob?
FDA very close to linking Pfizer to myocarditis apparently. (At level of “small risk obviously but...)
Back to AZ for all?
Pfizer has greater neutralising efficacy. We just need advice not to exercise for a few days after. Do we actually want herd immunity or not ?
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
You are changing what you are saying.
It is purely your ideology getting in the way of aligning agriculture standards to the EU.
It aligns to the 2016 referendum result, it deals with the N Ireland issues.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Like taking back control of the ice cream vending machine on the deck of the Titanic, purely mythical control.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I reckon would have passed, easily.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
If it would have passed, why was it rejected in the indicative votes?
Of course my ideology rejects it and my ideology has no more of a reason to bow down to alignment, than telling the Irish they must leave the EU with us. Any solution needs to recognise that Ireland wants to remain and we want to leave and treat all parties with respect.
Respect is always good. But the Conservative Party also claims to be hard-headed about markets. Losing access for food exports to the EU and Northern Ireland so that we can in theory lower our standards, while insisting that we don't actually want to, makes no sense.
Just seen it....that looked just like when ny father had a massive heart attack.
Had the incident on live. Completely by chance: put the thing on for background noise whilst I was doing the ironing.
Without giving a blow-by-blow account, it looked to me as if his heart had stopped before he hit the ground. If he comes through this in one piece he can count himself lucky, I think.
Possibly lucky this happened in a stadium and not at home, unless something on the pitch was a trigger.
Probably the best possible place outside of a hospital.
Who can say what causes these things to happen? A certain number of perfectly fit and healthy people simply drop like this each year for no apparent reason. A medically knowledgeable personage might have some ideas.
Better screening of players these days you would think,
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Like taking back control of the ice cream vending machine on the deck of the Titanic, purely mythical control.
If it is purely mythical, why are the EU kicking up such a fuss?
Just had interesting gossip from my wife. She was at hairdresser this morning and staff and customers were all talking about how good Theresa Mays speech was (this is in a very working class district of Liverpool were nobody would spit on a Tory if he was on fire). They were also all angry about the extended lockdown and those who had not had both jabs were adamant they would not have any or more because “it’s obviously just not worth it”. Staff and clientele. I found that fascinating from a bunch of people who are really not political at all.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I reckon would have passed, easily.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
If it would have passed, why was it rejected in the indicative votes?
Of course my ideology rejects it and my ideology has no more of a reason to bow down to alignment, than telling the Irish they must leave the EU with us. Any solution needs to recognise that Ireland wants to remain and we want to leave and treat all parties with respect.
Whether it would have passed or not I don't know.
What I do believe though is the indicative votes process was utterly flawed, because unsurprisingly there was politics involved.
If there had been a genuine all party desire to find a solution a better process for the indicative votes could have been organised; as it was the government were essentially being held hostage to go through that process and fundamentally that meant it was worthless anyway.
The government didn't want to do it, most of the opposition only wanted to do it to embarrass the government, the whole thing was a shambles and there wasn't enough genuine voting going on in it.
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Your approach sounds sensible. Generally, I don't think professionals are tarred by having some controversial clients - nobody blames lawyers who defend terrorists, for instance. And it does sound interesting!
Following the request made by players of both teams, UEFA has agreed to restart the match between Denmark and Finland tonight at 20:30 CET (TBC).
The last four minutes of the first half will be played, there will then be a 5-minute half-time break followed by the second half.
The match has been suspended due to a medical emergency which involved Denmark’s Christian Eriksen. The player in now in hospital and in a stable condition.
UEFA wishes Christian Eriksen a full and speedy recovery and wishes to thank both teams for their exemplary attitude.
Tonight’s UEFA EURO 2020 match between Belgium and Russia will go ahead at 21.00 CET as planned.
Broad once scored 169 in a test match. What happened? I know he could hit once but that was more than 10 years ago IIRC.
It's not just that he had a big century, he used to semi-reliably hit 50s, so a bigger score wasn't a complete shock. Now he can hardly hold a bat, except when stars align and he smashes it about for an hour, it's hilarious.
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Your approach sounds sensible. Generally, I don't think professionals are tarred by having some controversial clients - nobody blames lawyers who defend terrorists, for instance. And it does sound interesting!
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
My list of current leaders I have a view on, from serious to lightweight;
1. Merkel 2. Biden 3. Morrison 4. Sturgeon 3. Macron 4. Putin 5. Drakeford 5. Trudeau 6. Von der Leyen 7. Ardern 8. Johnson
You don't think Putin is that serious? He is a lot of things, but he is definitely serious, a serious threat to the world, to anybody who opposes him, any surrounding countries with any land he thinks is useful.
He is not beyond dumb and desperate attention-grabbing manoeuvres (was my thinking).
Your list seems a little politically-tinted to me. I wouldn't describe Biden as serious - the poor man is barely lucid.
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
Denmark FA say "Christian Eriksen is awake and his condition remains stable".
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
Few sectors were hit harder by the impact of Brexit than fishing - in particular shellfish. The UK, in common with other non-EU countries, is now banned from exporting live unpurified mussels, scallops, oysters and clams into the EU - where 90% of them are bought and eaten.
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The end of the Brexit transition period was catastrophic for Martin. His business disappeared on day one, he says. And while the government might be touting trade deals with countries like Australia or Canada, he can't imagine them replacing his lost markets, not least because they import very little shellfish.
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The EU used to provide grants worth up to £100m a year over the last 20 years - including support for the Eden project. The government has promised that will be replaced by domestic grants from a new Shared Prosperity Fund - a pot of money available to all UK areas to which the chancellor has so far committed only £220m in total.
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Do a good job and take the money.
Thanks to all for your advice.
I need to do a bit more research on the client and see the evidence and also what they want me to do. If I can do a good job - and they want me, I will. But I have a sense that this will be complicated so will reserve judgment until I get more info. The money will undoubtedly be very good but my reputation matters more.
The test for me is if they want the benefit of my honest advice or if they simply want a more reputable spokesperson.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Like taking back control of the ice cream vending machine on the deck of the Titanic, purely mythical control.
If it is purely mythical, why are the EU kicking up such a fuss?
Because the UK are breaking the rules they signed up for. Do you not know what a contract is? Have you never had a credit card or loan agreement or Sky account?
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Membership of the Common Market or even just signing up to aligning standards for agriculture.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
No it wouldn't pass Parliament. Remember the indicative votes - that was put forwards and was rejected. 🤦♂️
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
I reckon would have passed, easily.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
If it would have passed, why was it rejected in the indicative votes?
Of course my ideology rejects it and my ideology has no more of a reason to bow down to alignment, than telling the Irish they must leave the EU with us. Any solution needs to recognise that Ireland wants to remain and we want to leave and treat all parties with respect.
Respect is always good. But the Conservative Party also claims to be hard-headed about markets. Losing access for food exports to the EU and Northern Ireland so that we can in theory lower our standards, while insisting that we don't actually want to, makes no sense.
Good grief. You lot simply won’t accept the fact you lost the referendum will you? The reason we won is precisely the lack of respect for the wishes of the electorate you are now showing. You simply refuse to accept we want what we want. It is arrogance and a total and utter disgrace.
I see Bozo is trying to deflect from the 21st June delay by trying to pick a fight with the EU. The so called oven ready deal was a dogs dinner and now the fat oaf goes to his tiresome sovereignty bollocks when he was the one that signed upto sticking the border in the Irish Sea.
History will record that Boris had three choices: remain (a suicidal hospital pass and only theoretical, but it was there); no deal; a deal which was politically bad in relation to Ireland. No other options existed.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
It was the most sensible option by far.
Why not accept aligning UK agriculture standards to the EU and signing up to that ?
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Because we voted to take back control.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Like taking back control of the ice cream vending machine on the deck of the Titanic, purely mythical control.
If it is purely mythical, why are the EU kicking up such a fuss?
Because the UK are breaking the rules they signed up for. Do you not know what a contract is? Have you never had a credit card or loan agreement or Sky account?
I don't think that's the case. If it was they'd be going straight to arbitration. It's a political dispute.
The UK could align temporarily with EU food standards to help alleviate the NI issues but Bozo and the rest of the nutjobs have an unhinged obsession with sovereignty on steroids . It’s clear the government never had any intention of implementing the NI protocol as agreed in a Treaty signed only 6 months ago . In the meantime they’ve destroyed large sectors of the fishing industry.
Where is Farage , I thought he’d be on the case ! Although clearly having duped the fishermen he doesn’t want to show his ugly face .
The UK could align temporarily with EU food standards to help alleviate the NI issues but Bozo and the rest of the nutjobs have an unhinged obsession with sovereignty on steroids . It’s clear the government never had any intention of implementing the NI protocol as agreed in a Treaty signed only 6 months ago . In the meantime they’ve destroyed large sectors of the fishing industry.
Where is Farage , I thought he’d be on the case ! Although clearly having duped the fishermen he doesn’t want to show his ugly face .
Food standards are currently in perfect alignment, there has been no divergence.
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Do a good job and take the money.
Thanks to all for your advice.
I need to do a bit more research on the client and see the evidence and also what they want me to do. If I can do a good job - and they want me, I will. But I have a sense that this will be complicated so will reserve judgment until I get more info. The money will undoubtedly be very good but my reputation matters more.
The test for me is if they want the benefit of my honest advice or if they simply want a more reputable spokesperson.
And if they do? Provided they don't make you do or say anything that is in conflict with your personal ethics, I'd advise you to take it as a blessing and an opportunity.
My name has been put forward for a piece of work. 1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more. Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more? Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes. Ask for payment on account - most definitely. Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
Do a good job and take the money.
Thanks to all for your advice.
I need to do a bit more research on the client and see the evidence and also what they want me to do. If I can do a good job - and they want me, I will. But I have a sense that this will be complicated so will reserve judgment until I get more info. The money will undoubtedly be very good but my reputation matters more.
The test for me is if they want the benefit of my honest advice or if they simply want a more reputable spokesperson.
The UK could align temporarily with EU food standards to help alleviate the NI issues but Bozo and the rest of the nutjobs have an unhinged obsession with sovereignty on steroids . It’s clear the government never had any intention of implementing the NI protocol as agreed in a Treaty signed only 6 months ago . In the meantime they’ve destroyed large sectors of the fishing industry.
Where is Farage , I thought he’d be on the case ! Although clearly having duped the fishermen he doesn’t want to show his ugly face .
Food standards are currently in perfect alignment, there has been no divergence.
Then why doesn’t the U.K. just sign up to keep those for a set time . The UK could sign the vet agreement and do away with 80% of the NI checks .
The UK could align temporarily with EU food standards to help alleviate the NI issues but Bozo and the rest of the nutjobs have an unhinged obsession with sovereignty on steroids . It’s clear the government never had any intention of implementing the NI protocol as agreed in a Treaty signed only 6 months ago . In the meantime they’ve destroyed large sectors of the fishing industry.
Where is Farage , I thought he’d be on the case ! Although clearly having duped the fishermen he doesn’t want to show his ugly face .
Food standards are currently in perfect alignment, there has been no divergence.
Then why doesn’t the U.K. just sign up to keep those for a set time . The UK could sign the vet agreement and do away with 80% of the NI checks .
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I did switch over but then of course I didn’t know when it was safe to switch back.
David Busst too. His leg went to places a leg shouldn’t go
It’s very distressing.
However there was a New Zealand TV cameraman and reporter that decided to try and film Lawrence being stretchered away (and ask him questions.)
Thank god.
Prayers for him and his family
Utterly distressing and may he make a full recovery
Edit: that was good timing
Didn’t someone go into harbour at Monaco?
Betfair suspended euro outright market
Denmark out from 25/1 to 50/1 before suspension.
Not that betting matters right now.
Let’s hope the positive rumour via @Gardenwalker is true.
"There are pictures in circulation from a reputable news organisation which I have seen, that suggest Eriksen was conscious and wearing an oxygen mask as left the pitch on a stretcher. We can but hope they are genuine."
But once he got smashed in the face he hasn't been the same since.
https://twitter.com/vaziyetcomtr/status/1403766064048181255/photo/1
Following the medical emergency involving Denmark’s player Christian Eriksen, a crisis meeting has taken place with both teams and match officials and further information will be communicated at 19:45 CET.
The player has been transferred to the hospital and has been stabilised.
https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/1403765507682193409?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
My name has been put forward for a piece of work.
1st conversation: sounds like an interesting - if bizarre - enforcement case. Middle Eastern connection. Usually means a right royal pain in the arse. Not clear what is required but, yes, in principle interested. Tell me more.
Email received: as expected underlying clients have, how can I put this, a controversial background. Suspect that there is much much more to this than meets the eye.
Have not seen any of the evidence. Not been instructed and may not be. Not clear what is required yet.
Do I wait to see more?
Make clear now that if instructed will give my honest opinion not simply what they want to hear - yes.
Ask for payment on account - most definitely.
Run a mile - on grounds that don't want to be tainted and/or have summer ruined as usual by crooks?
But essentially, if he could be relied upon, he wouldn’t be batting at 10.
Proof - either way - may never come, especially if it was a low level escape, and was covered up.
If the virus is discovered in the wild, that would clearly be a big boost for the wild theory. But remember it took six years to find the specific host of SARS and we've never found the hosts of either HIV/AIDS or Ebola.
Also, even if it is found in the wild, it doesn't mean that it wasn't captured and then escaped.
Puts everything into context.
Fabrice Muamba was fortunate that when he had his episode that there was a Spurs fan who was also a cardiologist at the match who made himself known to the stewards and medical staff.
If a proper risk taker and happy with risk here, you find out more, ensure that the money up front is more than they imagine it would be and go ahead, once you have seen the colour of the money, prepared to have to decline on professional grounds later on if necessary.
If you are from character or experience more cautious avoid like plague.
Back to AZ for all?
Could live to good old age, but not play again probably.
Without giving a blow-by-blow account, it looked to me as if his heart had stopped before he hit the ground. If he comes through this in one piece he can count himself lucky, I think.
His critics have the luxury, like DUP politicians, of expounding at length what they didn't want but need to note that no other possibility would get through parliament (though of course remain was not tried). (Remain, it is fair to say, would have demolished the balance of UK politics in unforeseeable and catastrophic ways.) The critics, just like the DUP, have not yet come up with a fourth option which would have got through the EU and parliament.
So the question for history will be not was Boris perfect (he wasn't) but were there better options at the time. No.
Boris opted for Get Out. Watch it fail. Renegotiate with an EU once we can all see it must be done. That's what he is doing.
Would have passed parliament and EU would have agreed.
UK famers are happy with that and would not stop trade deals with US etc.
Plus at the referendum we didn't vote to Remain either.
Aligning agricultural standards to the EU is leaving the EU.
It is just your ideology standing in the way and causing the rise in tensions in N Ireland in doing so.
Having our own rules is literally what Boris and Vote Leave campaigned on in 2016, so entirely right to campaign on and negotiate that in 2019 too.
Who can say what causes these things to happen? A certain number of perfectly fit and healthy people simply drop like this each year for no apparent reason. A medically knowledgeable personage might have some ideas.
Of course my ideology rejects it and my ideology has no more of a reason to bow down to alignment, than telling the Irish they must leave the EU with us. Any solution needs to recognise that Ireland wants to remain and we want to leave and treat all parties with respect.
It is purely your ideology getting in the way of aligning agriculture standards to the EU.
It aligns to the 2016 referendum result, it deals with the N Ireland issues.
It is an option, one that would work.
Your ideology stands in its way though.
in the not too distant past
https://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/wilf-slack-tragic-tale-of-middlesex-hero-74591
What I do believe though is the indicative votes process was utterly flawed, because unsurprisingly there was politics involved.
If there had been a genuine all party desire to find a solution a better process for the indicative votes could have been organised; as it was the government were essentially being held hostage to go through that process and fundamentally that meant it was worthless anyway.
The government didn't want to do it, most of the opposition only wanted to do it to embarrass the government, the whole thing was a shambles and there wasn't enough genuine voting going on in it.
Also adds "the match against Finland will be played tonight. This happens after the players have been confirmed that Christian is okay. The match resumes at 20.30."
https://twitter.com/em_sandy/status/1403775378762735616
The last four minutes of the first half will be played, there will then be a 5-minute half-time break followed by the second half.
The match has been suspended due to a medical emergency which involved Denmark’s Christian Eriksen. The player in now in hospital and in a stable condition.
UEFA wishes Christian Eriksen a full and speedy recovery and wishes to thank both teams for their exemplary attitude.
Tonight’s UEFA EURO 2020 match between Belgium and Russia will go ahead at 21.00 CET as planned.
https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/1403775827104370696
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57444792.amp
Few sectors were hit harder by the impact of Brexit than fishing - in particular shellfish. The UK, in common with other non-EU countries, is now banned from exporting live unpurified mussels, scallops, oysters and clams into the EU - where 90% of them are bought and eaten.
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The end of the Brexit transition period was catastrophic for Martin. His business disappeared on day one, he says. And while the government might be touting trade deals with countries like Australia or Canada, he can't imagine them replacing his lost markets, not least because they import very little shellfish.
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The EU used to provide grants worth up to £100m a year over the last 20 years - including support for the Eden project. The government has promised that will be replaced by domestic grants from a new Shared Prosperity Fund - a pot of money available to all UK areas to which the chancellor has so far committed only £220m in total.
I need to do a bit more research on the client and see the evidence and also what they want me to do. If I can do a good job - and they want me, I will. But I have a sense that this will be complicated so will reserve judgment until I get more info. The money will undoubtedly be very good but my reputation matters more.
The test for me is if they want the benefit of my honest advice or if they simply want a more reputable spokesperson.
The reason we won is precisely the lack of respect for the wishes of the electorate you are now showing. You simply refuse to accept we want what we want. It is arrogance and a total and utter disgrace.
Where is Farage , I thought he’d be on the case ! Although clearly having duped the fishermen he doesn’t want to show his ugly face .
Goes from bad to worse for Denmark
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Con 43% +1
Lab 34% -2
Green 7% +2
Lib Dem 6 ±0
10-11 Jun; change since 27-28 May