It’s not acceptable for the treasury to use its resources to model Labours proposals . This was blocked by the Cabinet Secretary not Johnson .
It was clearly a breach of impartiality to use civil servants before an election to effectively help the government . The fact that we’re even discussing this shows the depths that this rotten government has sunk to .
Yet the reports say otherwise, unless you have a source to back up your claim?
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Boris majority, we exit on the 31st January and both revoke and a referendum dies
Anything else and it is remain
Of course if Boris wins then re-join becomes a respectable policy position from 1st February
Johnson wins, makes stupid promise to not extend transition, UK crashes out no deal on 31/12.
Not no Deal, the Deal is the Withdrawal Agreement, just no further extension of the transition period during FTA negotiations with the EU
First they are ongoing relationship discussions which may end up as a FTA. If there is no agreement on that relationship by the end of June and no application is made for an extension then if no agreement its no deal on 31/12. If you don’t know what is in the WA that’s your problem. There is no ongoing relationship in the WA just none binding declarations. Why do you think the ERG and eventually Farage will fall in behind Johnson. No deal is very much on the cards
No, it is not No Deal. No Deal means no Withdrawal Agreement agreed and passed and the EU refuses to start FTA talks with the UK as a result. If you don't understand what No Deal is defined as that is your problem.
Even Canada agreed a FTA with the EU after 7 years so at most it is a delayed FTA and no extended transition period not No Deal
If the transition isn’t extended it’s no deal there is no middle way.
No it is not no deal, it is refusing to extend the transition period and staying in the SM and CU while FTA negotiations with the EU continue having already agreed and passed the WA Deal with the EU.
No Deal means no FTA negotiations with the EU at all and no WA Deal passed
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
The extent to which OAPs won't vote Labour is absolutely astonishing, considering that many from this cohort must have helped Labour get into power in the 1970s and the 1990s, and subsequently crossed the Rubicon.
I'm sure the reduced IHT thresholds will help them out.
LibDems would be pleased to see they are outperforming Labour with the oldies.
Tories will be worrying about postal strikes, snow and Jacob Faux Pas accidentally launching a dementia tax policy.
National popular vote not swing state polls (even Hillary won the popular vote against Trump) and Emerson has it much closer even there
With all due respect, you can lose the Presidential election with a 3% national vote lead. It might even be possible with a 4% or 5% one. It won't happen with a 10% one. At that point, the Dems are getting 20% more votes than the Republicans, and they ain't all piling up up in California.
I'd also point out that the Siena College (no 538 rating) polls are out of line with the polls produced the previous day by Emerson College (an A- pollster). In Michigan (which Trump won narrowly), Emerson has Biden +12 and Sanders +14, against +2 and +1 for Siena.
Siena, in fact, seems to get very similar results to Rasmussen. Which might, of course, be correct. But Rasmussen was predicting a Republican win in the midterms last year (the only pollster to do so) against an actual result of Dems +8.
You can pick your polls but most polls overestimated Hillary's popular vote lead in 2016 let along her swing states lead
Boris majority, we exit on the 31st January and both revoke and a referendum dies
Anything else and it is remain
Of course if Boris wins then re-join becomes a respectable policy position from 1st February
Johnson wins, makes stupid promise to not extend transition, UK crashes out no deal on 31/12.
Not no Deal, the Deal is the Withdrawal Agreement, just no further extension of the transition period during FTA negotiations with the EU
First they are ongoing relationship discussions which may end up as a FTA. If there is no agreement on that relationship by the end of June and no application is made for an extension then if no agreement its no deal on 31/12. If you don’t know what is in the WA that’s your problem. There is no ongoing relationship in the WA just none binding declarations. Why do you think the ERG and eventually Farage will fall in behind Johnson. No deal is very much on the cards
No, it is not No Deal. No Deal means no Withdrawal Agreement agreed and passed and the EU refuses to start FTA talks with the UK as a result. If you don't understand what No Deal is defined as that is your problem.
Even Canada agreed a FTA with the EU after 7 years so at most it is a delayed FTA and no extended transition period not No Deal
If the transition isn’t extended it’s no deal there is no middle way.
No it is not no deal, it is refusing to extend the transition period and staying in the SM and CU while FTA negotiations with the EU continue having already agreed and passed the WA Deal with the EU.
No Deal means no FTA negotiations with the EU at all and no WA Deal passed
Anybody else care to comment, it’s not the way I see it but the only way we will stay in SM and CU is paying our way at current or no rebate rates. Happy for that to last to eternity as FOM will be required and what you says is just the transition by any other name.
How on earth could the Treasury, or the OBR, or indeed anyone, do an economic analysis of any party's plans when no manifestos have yet been published?
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
National popular vote not swing state polls (even Hillary won the popular vote against Trump) and Emerson has it much closer even there
With all due respect, you can lose the Presidential election with a 3% national vote lead. It might even be possible with a 4% or 5% one. It won't happen with a 10% one. At that point, the Dems are getting 20% more votes than the Republicans, and they ain't all piling up up in California.
I'd also point out that the Siena College (no 538 rating) polls are out of line with the polls produced the previous day by Emerson College (an A- pollster). In Michigan (which Trump won narrowly), Emerson has Biden +12 and Sanders +14, against +2 and +1 for Siena.
Siena, in fact, seems to get very similar results to Rasmussen. Which might, of course, be correct. But Rasmussen was predicting a Republican win in the midterms last year (the only pollster to do so) against an actual result of Dems +8.
You can pick your polls but most polls overestimated Hillary's popular vote lead in 2016 let along her swing states lead
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
It’s not acceptable for the treasury to use its resources to model Labours proposals . This was blocked by the Cabinet Secretary not Johnson .
It was clearly a breach of impartiality to use civil servants before an election to effectively help the government . The fact that we’re even discussing this shows the depths that this rotten government has sunk to .
Yet the reports say otherwise, unless you have a source to back up your claim?
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
Utter utter bollocks.
And we have record employment under this Government.
The extent to which OAPs won't vote Labour is absolutely astonishing, considering that many from this cohort must have helped Labour get into power in the 1970s and the 1990s, and subsequently crossed the Rubicon.
I'm sure the reduced IHT thresholds will help them out.
LibDems would be pleased to see they are outperforming Labour with the oldies.
Tories will be worrying about postal strikes, snow and Jacob Faux Pas accidentally launching a dementia tax policy.
On that middle point, you're looking at mid40s onwards - while not as ludicrous as some of the younger age brackets, it is still remarkable the shares
Fun seat - formerly Tory, went Labour then a brief period for LD until 2015, and now has a 55% Lab majority.
Student area. Potential collapse in the Labour vote if the young folk are around and motivated to vote for a strongly anti-Brexit alternative. Still, no real danger of Labour losing it this time methinks.
How on earth could the Treasury, or the OBR, or indeed anyone, do an economic analysis of any party's plans when no manifestos have yet been published?
The article did say that it was about proposals floated over the last few weeks. On the other hand the government wouldn’t publish implications of mays/moderately amended Johnson’s deal
McDonnell reported to have demanded Treasury don't publish analysis of Labour's economic proposals. Am told Treasury expected foreign exchange controls to prevent a run on the pound. No wonder John McDonnell wants to keep that quiet.
The newspaper (FT.) headlines said the opposite this morning that the civil service had been blocked by Johnson running the Labour Party proposals through treasury models.
Whoever blocked it I can hardly see the treasury giving Labour's ideas a thumbs up. (Nor any party's proposals, but Labour are probably the worst. I am of course not counting the Greens as their economic proposals wouldn't be worth the paper they were written on no matter the paper.)
It really rather worries me that politicians seem to happily spend a few tens of billions on a whim. The Greens, a cool Trillion - and that on the basis of one of their MPs having a grade Z in home economy.
We're miles away from being out of the woods from the insanity of Gordo. The Tories have just about stopped us sinking, but they've not even started to get us on a decent footing - now they're throwing caution to the wind.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
Utter utter bollocks.
No it isn't. The Tories have caused absolute despair amongst disabled people, including suicides.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Tell me more about foreign security threats. Isn't there some sort of report that was supposed to come out about that? Oh, wait, the Tories squashed it I wonder why.
It’s not acceptable for the treasury to use its resources to model Labours proposals . This was blocked by the Cabinet Secretary not Johnson .
It was clearly a breach of impartiality to use civil servants before an election to effectively help the government . The fact that we’re even discussing this shows the depths that this rotten government has sunk to .
Yet the reports say otherwise, unless you have a source to back up your claim?
Anything that emanates out of Guido is garbage .
Evergreen post
It's still a silly thing to say - not that his partisan position is trustworthy, but some people on here proudly stated once that they ignored anything from Guido, even in a situation where he directly quoted someone else apologising for being wrong and he was therefore, in fact, totally right.
There's being wary of the claims from something like Guido, or Skwarkbox or whatever, which is reasonable, and then there's being proud of dismissing anything from it without even checking the possibility that they can occasionally be right.
It's as lazy as anything that can come out of partisan newsites. It's as lazy as ignoring what Boris or Corbyn say automatically because they are awful, when occasionally even awful people can have a point. And peoplpe are proud of that!
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
(Precis: Scottish devolved education policy is a fucking disaster. One school leaver in thirty has zero educational attainment. Zero. An average of one per class passing *no* exams. 2019's 14-16 year olds got a third fewer level 3 to 5 passes than the 2013 cohort)
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
Utter utter bollocks.
No it isn't. The Tories have caused absolute despair amongst disabled people, including suicides.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
Disabled protesters have thrown red paint over Downing Street's gates during a protest against the Government's welfare reforms.
The group chanted slogans against the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, outside his official residence, Number 10 Downing Street.
The paint was thrown at the gate blocking public access to the street from Whitehall.
"Blair's Blood" was daubed on the pavement nearby.
Four protesters got out of their wheelchairs to smear the red paint on the road.
Kevin Donnellon, 35, a thalidomide victim, said the Government's intention to reform the benefits system would lead him to lose his invalidity benefit and mobility allowance.
He said: "I will not be able to run my car without my benefit and allowance money.
"These benefits are worth around £150 a week to me and my whole lifestyle is based around getting this money.
I wonder how effectively the Tories will play up those kind of comments, seeking to sow divisions between Farage and his acolytes. Diverts their attention from Labour, but they really need to do it well.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
It’s not acceptable for the treasury to use its resources to model Labours proposals . This was blocked by the Cabinet Secretary not Johnson .
It was clearly a breach of impartiality to use civil servants before an election to effectively help the government . The fact that we’re even discussing this shows the depths that this rotten government has sunk to .
Yet the reports say otherwise, unless you have a source to back up your claim?
Anything that emanates out of Guido is garbage .
Evergreen post
It's still a silly thing to say - not that his partisan position is trustworthy, but some people on here proudly stated once that they ignored anything from Guido, even in a situation where he directly quoted someone else apologising for being wrong and he was therefore, in fact, totally right.
There's being wary of the claims from something like Guido, or Skwarkbox or whatever, which is reasonable, and then there's being proud of dismissing anything from it without even checking the possibility that they can occasionally be right.
It's as lazy as anything that can come out of partisan newsites. It's as lazy as ignoring what Boris or Corbyn say automatically because they are awful, when occasionally even awful people can have a point. And peoplpe are proud of that!
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
National popular vote not swing state polls (even Hillary won the popular vote against Trump) and Emerson has it much closer even there
With all due respect, you can lose the Presidential election with a 3% national vote lead. It might even be possible with a 4% or 5% one. It won't happen with a 10% one. At that point, the Dems are getting 20% more votes than the Republicans, and they ain't all piling up up in California.
I'd also point out that the Siena College (no 538 rating) polls are out of line with the polls produced the previous day by Emerson College (an A- pollster). In Michigan (which Trump won narrowly), Emerson has Biden +12 and Sanders +14, against +2 and +1 for Siena.
Siena, in fact, seems to get very similar results to Rasmussen. Which might, of course, be correct. But Rasmussen was predicting a Republican win in the midterms last year (the only pollster to do so) against an actual result of Dems +8.
You can pick your polls but most polls overestimated Hillary's popular vote lead in 2016 let along her swing states lead
Sure, but I think you'd agree that it is prudent to attach greater weight to a pollster with a good track record over one with a poor one. And I think we also need to recognise the pollsters did not overstate the Dems in 2018.
Boris majority, we exit on the 31st January and both revoke and a referendum dies
Why 31 Jan? Will Boris promise a new exit date, or would that be viewed as hubris? Might he get followed around on the stump by people dressed as ditches? There's no good reason why he shouldn't name a date, since his "great deal" is there already. EU27 could in principle say 31 Dec is completely unacceptable, but in that case 31 Jan would be the default. Is he expecting problems in the Commons? Strange campaigning image...
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
If you want to destroy narcissism through destroying the concept of beauty by removing everyone’s eyes.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
I've got plenty of better things to do.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
I wonder what treats we have in store for the rest of the day. Film of Sajid Javid urinating on a homeless man? Liz Truss launching a verbal tirade against David Attenborough? Priti Patel musing on the good side of Fred West?
The imagination of the Conservative master strategists to date has been flawless.
Is urinating on homeless people something you think about a lot?
IIRC, Mr Meeks is not a Conservative.
In 30 years I’ve never heard a Tory suggest anything remotely as unpleasant as that.
It suggests that @AlastairMeeks views fellow citizens with contempt
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
Glad to see somebody has been reading my posts...
On a more serious note, I have to say I find it baffling that anyone things Corbyn would increase opportunity or equality in this country. He’s a typical old style politician and his leadership is deeply in hock to an organisation which is firmly dedicated to increasing inequality and reducing opportunity.
But then, that is equally true of Johnson except so far as we know his puppet master is an individual (Cummings) rather than an organisation.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Tell me more about foreign security threats. Isn't there some sort of report that was supposed to come out about that? Oh, wait, the Tories squashed it I wonder why.
Pathetic. The Tories aren't trying to dismantle our entire military and security apparatus out of ideology.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
As opposed to campaigning for the Tories who have caused many disabled people to attempt suicide . I really would stop moralizing . You don’t have a leg to stand on !
Utter utter bollocks.
No it isn't. The Tories have caused absolute despair amongst disabled people, including suicides.
Stupid Post from a stupid poster.
This thread is truly terrific for updating my moron list.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
Nonsense Dr P - I really like to hear your views. And that's for two reasons - first of all they're thought through, and secondly that a different outlook helps enormously to get my own views straight.
I'd hope to one day make a post that causes someone somewhere to think about their political view and that they come up with a slightly improved version thereafter.
(Obviously this doesn't so much apply to me in that I know all of PB hang on my every word, but you get the idea )
It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Tell me more about foreign security threats. Isn't there some sort of report that was supposed to come out about that? Oh, wait, the Tories squashed it I wonder why.
Pathetic. The Tories aren't trying to dismantle our entire military and security apparatus out of ideology.
Although dismantling it out of parsimony is a distinction without a difference.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
I've got plenty of better things to do.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
You aren't angry about the tens of thousands killed by Conservative austerity? No, so wind your neck in and dry your chin.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
I have my own very serious reservations about Johnson as you know.
But if Corbyn looks like a credible threat I'll wade through anything for him.
Boris majority, we exit on the 31st January and both revoke and a referendum dies
Why 31 Jan? Will Boris promise a new exit date, or would that be viewed as hubris? Might he get followed around on the stump by people dressed as ditches? There's no good reason why he shouldn't name a date, since his "great deal" is there already. EU27 could in principle say 31 Dec is completely unacceptable, but in that case 31 Jan would be the default. Is he expecting problems in the Commons? Strange campaigning image...
I am sorry but I do not understand your post
Boris has the EU-UK treaty in his pocket and as he said today that with a majority, the day after the election he will reintroduce it and will leave the EU on or before the 31st January 2020 with no further extensions needed, as the WDA will come into force
On the 1st February 2020 Boris will enter talks for a FTA and is insisting he will not extend beyond the 31st December 2020
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
Glad to see somebody has been reading my posts...
On a more serious note, I have to say I find it baffling that anyone things Corbyn would increase opportunity or equality in this country. He’s a typical old style politician and his leadership is deeply in hock to an organisation which is firmly dedicated to increasing inequality and reducing opportunity.
But then, that is equally true of Johnson except so far as we know his puppet master is an individual (Cummings) rather than an organisation.
It’s sad, strip the nationalization crap out of labour offer and their more extreme taxation ideas on IHT and Garden Tax the you would have a serious political party. They could even win the scrap trident debate. This is is a failure of socialism but we do have alternatives.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
I've got plenty of better things to do.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
You aren't angry about the tens of thousands killed by Conservative austerity? No, so wind your neck in and dry your chin.
Bollocks. Utterly idiotic and stupid post.
This Government has achieved record employment, repaired the national finances and is restoring real wage growth.
The problem with that approach is it is two years out of date. Labour should have insisted on a referendum on May's deal 18 months ago. That was the time when it should have been called. But actually they refused to get off the fence and the Tories managed to lose their majority and build the rhetoric that the way to break the Brexit impasse is to have a general election.
Having agreed to that approach I personally see no need to have Ref2 to stop Brexit. Parties stand on a manifesto to form a government and the winner implements that manifesto. So if a party was to stand on a manifesto to revoke and win the election (which was called to break the Brexit impasse) then they can just revoke and we can all move on.
Even if they only win 40% of the vote? That would be like the SNP and Greens standing in a Holyrood election promising UDI, winning 40% of the vote between them but a small majority of seats, and then declaring UDI, saying they had a mandate and no indyref2 was needed. The Orange Order might have a thing or two to say about that. If the LibDems win a small majority of votes there'd be a case for revoking without a Brexitref3, just about.
How on earth could the Treasury, or the OBR, or indeed anyone, do an economic analysis of any party's plans when no manifestos have yet been published?
They're economists. Common sense never stopped them before...
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
I've got plenty of better things to do.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
As I will do with those that campaign for Johnson as well both as bad as each other
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
I always like debates where my opponent appears to be an angry drunk. But you can kind of take it as read that we all deplore each others' views to varying degree. Most of us don't go on about it, because it's not likely to change minds, nor engage anyone seriously. But feel free, if you've nothing better to do.
I've got plenty of better things to do.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
You aren't angry about the tens of thousands killed by Conservative austerity? No, so wind your neck in and dry your chin.
Bollocks. Utterly idiotic and stupid post.
This Government has achieved record employment, repaired the national finances and is restoring real wage growth.
It's been an absolutely stunning success.
And has killed people. Perhaps this is a trade off that suits you but it doesn't suit the dead people.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in fiveseveneight nine different constituencies, but none only one of them was the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
Lol. I'm fond of him, and I'm taking a week's holiday to campaign for him - the party too, of course, but I wouldn't be quite so involved if we weren't led by Jeremy. I'll be pleased to share responsibility for the results, which I expect to be predominantly very beneficial.
Unlike your shadowy self, moreover, I'm easy to identify. Why don't you tell us who you are and your constituency, so we can discuss on equal terms?
I'll need to leave it there - Labour campaign meeting to attend.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
I have my own very serious reservations about Johnson as you know.
But if Corbyn looks like a credible threat I'll wade through anything for him.
I wouldn't worry. Unless something drastic happens he has less chance of winning than 2017.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Bassetlaw is not in Leicestershire.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire are bordering counties. How parochial do you want to be?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Can any give me a list of the biggest swings the LibDems have achieved at a GE to gain individual constituencies ?
Bath 2017 was pretty impressive.
A friend of mine works for Bath LDs. They are a very good unit recently, monstering the locals in 2019, winning in GE2017, better-than-demographics for remain in 2016, nearly holding on in GE2015.
Safe enough that I can't find a market at a real bookies and 1.08 on bfx.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Bassetlaw is not in Leicestershire.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire are bordering counties. How parochial do you want to be?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Can you please post a link that shows she was a Councillor in Leicestershire?
I can only find a link to a previous Parliamentary seat that she fought in Leicestershire.
"Recent poll analysis"... by whom and how analysed? it sounds like tosh.
And it’s utter tosh of the toshest tripe. There’s been no polling in E&W and their candidate, Monica Harding, had to issue an humiliating apology (gleefully reported by Guido and others) for misrepresenting a Survation national survey and applying some form of flavible to it. She then whimpered about it being an innocent rookie error.....only to find that the candidate in Putney had done exactly the same. No one in this Board will be in the least bit surprised.
I haven’t yet been out haranguing the good denizens of the constituency but reports from those who have are pretty sanguine. There’s little doubt that Raab’s majority will fall - inevitable given the intense LD campaign - but at this stage I’d hazard a hold of between 10-15 k.
More probably 5-10k, but I cannot understand why she is focusing on EW rather than Mole Valley, where Beresford (if he is standing again) is renowned as the invisible man, where the Conservative local plan has caused uproar (an early version led to Conservative councillors canvassing for the LD candidate in a by election and led to a loss of one of their safest council seats in Surrey). And, of course, the LDs took the council in May.
Not saying the LDs will win Mole Valley, but it looks a better prospect thanEW.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Tbh I doubt those campaigning for the Labour Party really care that much about whether you view them with contempt or not. Supporters of Jeremy Corbyn don’t exactly strike me as the people to really dwell on what loyal Tory supporters think of them.
Likewise, I doubt Tory activists really care that much about what loyal Labour supporters think of them.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Bassetlaw is not in Leicestershire.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire are bordering counties. How parochial do you want to be?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Can you please post a link that shows she was a Councillor in Leicestershire?
I can only find a link to a previous Parliamentary seat that she fought in Leicestershire.
Ooops! Yes. I misread that.
Still, people move around. Glenda Jackson was an MP in London for more than 20 years, but grew up in Cheshire.
It would be different if she had been imposed on the local party by the NEC, but quite the opposite.
Can any give me a list of the biggest swings the LibDems have achieved at a GE to gain individual constituencies ?
Bath 2017 was pretty impressive.
A friend of mine works for Bath LDs. They are a very good unit recently, monstering the locals in 2019, winning in GE2017, better-than-demographics for remain in 2016, nearly holding on in GE2015.
Safe enough that I can't find a market at a real bookies and 1.08 on bfx.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Bassetlaw is not in Leicestershire.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire are bordering counties. How parochial do you want to be?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Can you please post a link that shows she was a Councillor in Leicestershire?
I can only find a link to a previous Parliamentary seat that she fought in Leicestershire.
She was a councillor in Camden in London, not in Leicestershire.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
It has yet to be shown that Sally has any connection with Nottinghamshire.
Or even Leicestershire.
I think issues such as getting a representative mix of MPs (whether via gender or ethnicity or profession or geography) are very important.
I think, given that one of the driver of Brexit is the division between the wealthy and the left-behind parts of the country, it is very important that the left-behind parts are properly represented.
Properly represented by themselves, not by Londoners talking on their behalf.
I've agreed to go canvassing (my debut) for Labour in Hampstead & Kilburn.
Have fun! After initial nervousness ("Will people ask me about our policy on sperm whales?") it becomes unscary and quite satisfying. Will be interesting to hear your impressions.
Your policy on sperm whales should be to never, ever give away your secret family recipe..... (Cut the meat into slices, brown in the pan and put in a cooking pot or stew pan with the onions. Boil the water, stir in the tomato purée, salt and paprika and pour over the meat. Cook slowly for 14 to 30 minutes, or until the meat is tender. Serve with potatoes.)
And the leftovers?
I once found a whale's tail washed up on the beach.
I've never seen one before or since, so I suppose it must have been a fluke.
Groan. Orca be some kind of punishment for a killer line like that
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Tell me more about foreign security threats. Isn't there some sort of report that was supposed to come out about that? Oh, wait, the Tories squashed it I wonder why.
Pathetic. The Tories aren't trying to dismantle our entire military and security apparatus out of ideology.
However they have withdrawn from European security cooperation in the Gulf, have a dilatory committments to the Eastern European exercises, lop of a frigate every now and then, were seriously considering buying less F35Bs despite the fact they are the only planes that can fly off our carriers, have created a carrier attack group structure that only works if the Americans tag along, are arsing around on the Challenger upgrades, are arsing about on the Boxer acquisition because they smell a bit European, have built an armoured vehicle that only fits in the plane if you take the armour off first, and are the only army in the world who think the L85A3 is suitable as a gun instead of a heavy club
I am happy to accept your assurance that Corbyn's Labour is not fit for running anything bigger than a small orgy in a taxi, and they are worse than the Tories on most measures, but attacking them for inadequate defences, fiscal imprudence and collapsing pounds is a bit problematic given that every Conservative in the party who believed in defending sound defence and finance has been chased off with a stick.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
It has yet to be shown that Sally has any connection with Nottinghamshire.
Or even Leicestershire.
I think issues such as getting a representative mix of MPs (whether via gender or ethnicity or profession or geography) are very important.
I think, given that one of the driver of Brexit is the division between the wealthy and the left-behind parts of the country, it is very important that the left-behind parts are properly represented.
Properly represented by themselves, not by Londoners talking on their behalf.
You have still failed to address the point that she was the choice of the local people, who have been usurped by London.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
People move around the country. She'd previously been on a council in Leicestershire. That might have been where she'd grown up, which would make her a native of the East Midlands and an incomer to London, not a Londoner.
What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in five different constituencies, but none of them were the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?
I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Bassetlaw is not in Leicestershire.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire are bordering counties. How parochial do you want to be?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Can you please post a link that shows she was a Councillor in Leicestershire?
I can only find a link to a previous Parliamentary seat that she fought in Leicestershire.
Ooops! Yes. I misread that.
Still, people move around. Glenda Jackson was an MP in London for more than 20 years, but grew up in Cheshire.
It would be different if she had been imposed on the local party by the NEC, but quite the opposite.
Yes, of course, people move around. Let Sally Gimson stand for one of the seats that she has moved around in.
In Montgomeryshire, since Emlyn Hooson, the LibDems have imposed Londoner after Londoner after Londoner.
That is why it is no longer a LibDem seat.
And it is not even as though London is not already grossly overrepresented.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
Given his views 'Homeopath Dave' probably thinks that the more diluted his presence the more effective he is.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
It has yet to be shown that Sally has any connection with Nottinghamshire.
Or even Leicestershire.
I think issues such as getting a representative mix of MPs (whether via gender or ethnicity or profession or geography) are very important.
I think, given that one of the driver of Brexit is the division between the wealthy and the left-behind parts of the country, it is very important that the left-behind parts are properly represented.
Properly represented by themselves, not by Londoners talking on their behalf.
You have still failed to address the point that she was the choice of the local people, who have been usurped by London.
Thank you. I think if you read the selection process, it was badly flawed.
The selection process should be re-run, with candidates that have a demonstrable connection to Bassetlaw.
Quite right, too. She is a Londoner. Let her represent a seat in London.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
Except that she was selected by the local CLP, not parachuted in, and now she's being chucked out by London-based apparatchiks, according to her on trumped-up allegations without due process.
I am completely opposed to still more representation for London.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
While I do like local people for local places, we are not trees that cannot be moved. It is quite a common phenomenon for folk to move to London to study, then work, then move back to the regions. Indeed I did.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
It has yet to be shown that Sally has any connection with Nottinghamshire.
Or even Leicestershire.
I think issues such as getting a representative mix of MPs (whether via gender or ethnicity or profession or geography) are very important.
I think, given that one of the driver of Brexit is the division between the wealthy and the left-behind parts of the country, it is very important that the left-behind parts are properly represented.
Properly represented by themselves, not by Londoners talking on their behalf.
Neither Kendall nor Ashworth had any connection with Leicester prior to election, but both have fully committed to the city.
Leicester is famously welcoming to outsiders wanting to make their homes here. I accept some other parts of the country less so.
Why on earth are you campaigning for *this* Labour Party led by Corbyn?
I think it’s utterly shameful what you’re doing.
Because I think this country is in dire need of policies which will overtly and strongly favour the millions of people who currently have little in the way of wealth or opportunity at the expense of those who have a surfeit of both.
Well said!
Casino Royale's comment is quite disgraceful. Whatever your views on Corbyn, this country needs the Labour Party to redress the selfish and narcissistic direction the tories are taking it.
Bollocks. Another moron speaks.
Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
Who’s blood, exactly?
Ours. Corbyn is the most destructive and nihilistic political leader of a mainstream party we've ever had.
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
Yes totally agree as is anybody campaigning for Johnson is sick in the head. They are two cheeks of the same arse, neither worthy of support both in need of being condemned to the trash of political history.
Glad to see somebody has been reading my posts...
On a more serious note, I have to say I find it baffling that anyone things Corbyn would increase opportunity or equality in this country. He’s a typical old style politician and his leadership is deeply in hock to an organisation which is firmly dedicated to increasing inequality and reducing opportunity.
But then, that is equally true of Johnson except so far as we know his puppet master is an individual (Cummings) rather than an organisation.
It’s sad, strip the nationalization crap out of labour offer and their more extreme taxation ideas on IHT and Garden Tax the you would have a serious political party. They could even win the scrap trident debate. This is is a failure of socialism but we do have alternatives.
Good point. Then get rid of Corbyn and his acolytes and watch the party fly.
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Your idea of a "good post" or a "good tip" is one you politically agree with.
Anyone campaigning for Corbyn's Labour has blood on their hands and earns my complete and utter contempt.
No Deal means no FTA negotiations with the EU at all and no WA Deal passed
Over 65s
Con 55%
Lab 9%
Lib 14%
BXP 14%
The extent to which OAPs won't vote Labour is absolutely astonishing, considering that many from this cohort must have helped Labour get into power in the 1970s and the 1990s, and subsequently crossed the Rubicon.
I'm sure the reduced IHT thresholds will help them out.
LibDems would be pleased to see they are outperforming Labour with the oldies.
Tories will be worrying about postal strikes, snow and Jacob Faux Pas accidentally launching a dementia tax policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Withington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2000s
He's a one man nuclear bomb aimed at our economy and national security. His election would lead to our impoverishment, mass unemployment,the end of the UK, nasty social and class division, the passive acceptance of low level political violence, and leave us wide open to domestic and foreign security threats.
Anyone campaigning for him is sick in the head.
And we have record employment under this Government.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-1997
https://twitter.com/thetimesscot/status/1192128836344975360?s=20
It really rather worries me that politicians seem to happily spend a few tens of billions on a whim. The Greens, a cool Trillion - and that on the basis of one of their MPs having a grade Z in home economy.
We're miles away from being out of the woods from the insanity of Gordo. The Tories have just about stopped us sinking, but they've not even started to get us on a decent footing - now they're throwing caution to the wind.
There are 73 Parliamentary seats in London for Londoners.
There is absolutely no need for still more Londoners to represent seats in the Midland and the North and Wales.
The Scots would not put up with this. Rightly so. Nor should the rest of us.
And every now then, some Weapons Grade Idiot complains that the voice of London is not heard.
https://twitter.com/LanceForman/status/1191741240808787969
There's being wary of the claims from something like Guido, or Skwarkbox or whatever, which is reasonable, and then there's being proud of dismissing anything from it without even checking the possibility that they can occasionally be right.
It's as lazy as anything that can come out of partisan newsites. It's as lazy as ignoring what Boris or Corbyn say automatically because they are awful, when occasionally even awful people can have a point. And peoplpe are proud of that!
(Precis: Scottish devolved education policy is a fucking disaster. One school leaver in thirty has zero educational attainment. Zero. An average of one per class passing *no* exams. 2019's 14-16 year olds got a third fewer level 3 to 5 passes than the 2013 cohort)
(Precis of précis: mince)
The group chanted slogans against the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, outside his official residence, Number 10 Downing Street.
The paint was thrown at the gate blocking public access to the street from Whitehall.
"Blair's Blood" was daubed on the pavement nearby.
Four protesters got out of their wheelchairs to smear the red paint on the road.
Kevin Donnellon, 35, a thalidomide victim, said the Government's intention to reform the benefits system would lead him to lose his invalidity benefit and mobility allowance.
He said: "I will not be able to run my car without my benefit and allowance money.
"These benefits are worth around £150 a week to me and my whole lifestyle is based around getting this money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/41746.stm
I would expect rejoiners to campaign at a future GE for the UK to be at the centre of the project with no opt-outs, using the Euro etc etc.
And if they won a mandate with a party who had this in their manifesto at a GE then I would accept that this move had a democratic mandate.
Wouldn't like it but I would accept it.
Brillo is wheeling out all the errors so far, including the front of the Torygraph this morning.
Zahawi is like a rabbit in the headlights.
I'm very very angry.
Corbyn is almost universally hated and despised and yet here we have some idiots planning to actually campaign for him?
It's absolutely disgusting. I want them to know how I feel and how I'll hold them personally responsible for anything that happens (which it will) if he wins.
Suggesting - even in jest - urinating on someone else is unpleasant
Suggesting doing so on someone less successful than you, who is in a difficult position and, more likely than not, mentally unwell is repugnant
This coarseness of thought and language should be called out
On a more serious note, I have to say I find it baffling that anyone things Corbyn would increase opportunity or equality in this country. He’s a typical old style politician and his leadership is deeply in hock to an organisation which is firmly dedicated to increasing inequality and reducing opportunity.
But then, that is equally true of Johnson except so far as we know his puppet master is an individual (Cummings) rather than an organisation.
One of the most serious disconnects is between London/the South East and the rest of the UK.
A Parliament that is properly representative needs authentic voices from the North and the Midlands, not Londoners speaking on their behalf.
I am completely against MPs like Ed Miliband representing Doncaster, a town with which he has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
And nothing, nothing makes more enraged than to see that the LibDems have found another Londoner to represent Wales.
This thread is truly terrific for updating my moron list.
Now I'm listening!
I'd hope to one day make a post that causes someone somewhere to think about their political view and that they come up with a slightly improved version thereafter.
(Obviously this doesn't so much apply to me in that I know all of PB hang on my every word, but you get the idea
We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
No, so wind your neck in and dry your chin.
But if Corbyn looks like a credible threat I'll wade through anything for him.
Boris has the EU-UK treaty in his pocket and as he said today that with a majority, the day after the election he will reintroduce it and will leave the EU on or before the 31st January 2020 with no further extensions needed, as the WDA will come into force
On the 1st February 2020 Boris will enter talks for a FTA and is insisting he will not extend beyond the 31st December 2020
This Government has achieved record employment, repaired the national finances and is restoring real wage growth.
It's been an absolutely stunning success.
As I will do with those that campaign for Johnson as well both as bad as each other
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What are your qualification rules for being allowed to represent a place? Since I came of voting age I have lived in
fiveseveneightnine different constituencies, butnoneonly one of them was the one I spent my childhood - would I have qualified under your nativism rules to stand for election in any of them?I think it's enough that the local party chose her to represent them, and then it is for the voters to decide if they agree.
Unlike your shadowy self, moreover, I'm easy to identify. Why don't you tell us who you are and your constituency, so we can discuss on equal terms?
I'll need to leave it there - Labour campaign meeting to attend.
It is in Nottinghamshire.
What are her connections with Nottinghamshire?
Where would you let me stand for election, given that I grew up in London, but moved out of the city at 21?
Safe enough that I can't find a market at a real bookies and 1.08 on bfx.
I can only find a link to a previous Parliamentary seat that she fought in Leicestershire.
Not saying the LDs will win Mole Valley, but it looks a better prospect thanEW.
Likewise, I doubt Tory activists really care that much about what loyal Labour supporters think of them.
MPs willing to adopt and go native in their new home are fine. Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth in Leicester are fine examples, while Treddinick has represented Bosworth but never lived anywhere near.
Still, people move around. Glenda Jackson was an MP in London for more than 20 years, but grew up in Cheshire.
It would be different if she had been imposed on the local party by the NEC, but quite the opposite.
Or even Leicestershire.
I think issues such as getting a representative mix of MPs (whether via gender or ethnicity or profession or geography) are very important.
I think, given that one of the driver of Brexit is the division between the wealthy and the left-behind parts of the country, it is very important that the left-behind parts are properly represented.
Properly represented by themselves, not by Londoners talking on their behalf.
I am happy to accept your assurance that Corbyn's Labour is not fit for running anything bigger than a small orgy in a taxi, and they are worse than the Tories on most measures, but attacking them for inadequate defences, fiscal imprudence and collapsing pounds is a bit problematic given that every Conservative in the party who believed in defending sound defence and finance has been chased off with a stick.
In Montgomeryshire, since Emlyn Hooson, the LibDems have imposed Londoner after Londoner after Londoner.
That is why it is no longer a LibDem seat.
And it is not even as though London is not already grossly overrepresented.
The selection process should be re-run, with candidates that have a demonstrable connection to Bassetlaw.
Leicester is famously welcoming to outsiders wanting to make their homes here. I accept some other parts of the country less so.