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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Rory is a little too priggish towards the other candidates.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Boris wriggling and squirming.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    Turkish ancestry, I think.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    A Turkish politician.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
    The majority of the electorate voted Leave, Boris will deliver that, it is diehard Remainers who have contempt for the electorate
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Christ, he's honestly worse than Trump.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
    Three months. Plenty of time for an election, referendum and renegotation.
    So we can have a referendum on no deal v remain then
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712
    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    80 million of them, I believe
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    It's going to be a very long time until I vote Conservative again, and as a natural Tory that makes me sad.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    I am not a Boris fan but this constant digging at him with every question is really starting to irritate me.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912
    Ave_it said:

    We'll be lucky to get 20% at the next GE with this crew

    Ever the optimist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    kinabalu said:

    TGOHF said:

    Boris has a Trump length tie.

    Great spot - and terribly worrying.
    How wide is it? I am deeply suspicious of both skinny ties, and overly wide ties.

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
    Even the Tory electorate, who are the only ones who matter to Boris right now? Viability of any plans among wider electorate or parliament are irrelevant.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    The Turk that explains his name
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Emily's raised her game. Bravo!

    Boris is a clown. He fooled us for two minutes
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Hunt is trying to do a Clegg 2010 by speaking directly into the camera, but his stare is a bit unsettling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
    In HY’s world the Tories have unity, purpose and mastery of Parliament. In the real world they’ve made us live through two years of never ending fiasco and failure and they just came fourth in a national election.
    In the real world the Brexit Party lead the latest poll, so Brexit must be delivered or it may well be PM Farage
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Hunt finally says something everyone can agree on - Sadiq Khan's hopeless.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Ave_it said:

    We'll be lucky to get 20% at the next GE with this crew

    That high?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    I think that response from Hunt is the best I've heard from him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
    Three months. Plenty of time for an election, referendum and renegotation.
    There are not three months business in the HOC. They go on holiday in a month, come back for a couple of weeks in September before conference season
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Jonathan said:

    Where Rory is going wrong here is preceding his comments by saying "of course, as a Conservative, I believe in lower taxes, but.."

    Instead, he appears to be attacking the entire prospect.

    He is not a Tory.
    I think he is but he's got a lot to learn.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    80 million of them, I believe
    Negotiations between Turkey and the EU re. accession have essentially been frozen since the attempted coup against Erdogan.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.

    The Tories were looking to turn on the spending taps somehow anyway - even when Cameron was still in charge they were starting to struggle getting the more controversial austerity through. That time is gone.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    All candidates agree with Saj to have an external investigation into Islamophobia in the Tory Party.

    Saj says as a man of Muslim background he is concerned by growing anti Muslim feeling in parts of Britain despite our diverse communities and despite being close friends with the US we can call out Trump when wrong

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TGOHF said:

    Gove into 36 from 50s

    Which is a huge move from a implied 2% chance to a 3% chance!

    The only figure in that matters is Boris's
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    rkrkrk said:

    Unclear why Emily is adding her own questions on top of those from the public.

    Well, otherwise why even be there?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Sharp work by Javid, getting unanimity on an independence investigation into Tory islamophobia; he’d moved on before BJ realises he’s been done and starts to chunter unsuccessfully.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.

    Do you know how much Osborne borrowed ?
    Sure, but he at least claimed he wanted to borrow less. Javid's not likely to improve that record starting out with a view that he's comfortable increasing the national debt even further.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    Chris said:

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    A Turkish politician.
    Journalist:

    "Johnson's paternal great grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I'm 15 mins behind... but Rory has drifted like a barge to make the last 2.. why?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    All candidates agree with Saj to have an external investigation into Islamophobia in the Tory Party.

    Saj says as a man of Muslim background he is concerned by growing anti Muslim feeling in parts of Britain despite our diverse communities and despite being close friends with the US we can call out Trump when wrong

    Boris was too late in trying to say “hang on...”
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    kle4 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Unclear why Emily is adding her own questions on top of those from the public.

    Well, otherwise why even be there?
    To get the politicians to answer the public's questions!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    How on earth are the Tories going to attack Labour for unrealistic spending promises after this sh*t-show?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    isam said:

    I'm 15 mins behind... but Rory has drifted like a barge to make the last 2.. why?

    Just has not performed well, inexperience coming through perhaps.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rory doesn’t seem to like much at all. He hasn’t called out Corbyn at all.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,084
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
    The majority of the electorate voted Leave, Boris will deliver that, it is diehard Remainers who have contempt for the electorate
    The country has changed its mind, and if you take us out with no deal then you will be destroyed as a political force for a generation. Even with a deal the Tories are going to be eviscerated. Even if by some miracle Rory get into the play off v Boris, it is Tory diversity: which Eton/Balliol Oxford man will win...?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    No, diehard Remainers like you determined to stop Brexit by all means possible are about to face a PM who will take you on and deliver Brexit whether you like it or not
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624

    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.

    Do you know how much Osborne borrowed ?
    Sure, but he at least claimed he wanted to borrow less. Javid's not likely to improve that record starting out with a view that he's comfortable increasing the national debt even further.
    I'd prefer a government which was honest about its borrowing than one which claimed it was 'paying down the debt' when doing the opposite.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Danny565 said:

    Christ, he's honestly worse than Trump.

    Who
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847

    Chris said:

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    A Turkish politician.
    Journalist:

    "Johnson's paternal great grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
    Minister of the Interior counts as a politician.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    No, diehard Remainers like you determined to stop Brexit by all means possible are about to face a PM who will take you on and deliver Brexit whether you like it or not
    You're a funny guy.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751

    Chris said:

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    A Turkish politician.
    Journalist:

    "Johnson's paternal great grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
    Also briefly Minister of the Interior:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Jonathan said:

    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.

    Rubbish, the candidates have given more intelligent answers in an hour than I have seen from Corbyn or indeed Farage all year
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912
    Jonathan said:

    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.

    The only thing I'm certain of about the future is that politically it will get a lot worse.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    Wiki biography here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal

    Died horribly in 1922.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Rory is proper weird
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited June 2019
    Jonathan said:

    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.

    Agreed. Thoroughly useless bunch. The Tory party just doesn’t deserve to survive this farce.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    Oh, he is very real, it's just his certain truths are simulataneously very very certain and yet changeable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    He’s a Russian poll bot?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Maitless compares Rory to Greta whatsherface
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    Hyufd is real but lives in his own fantasy world full of unicorns
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    isam said:

    Rory is proper weird
    And the rest aren’t?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
    You've overdone it. You're not for real.
    No, diehard Remainers like you determined to stop Brexit by all means possible are about to face a PM who will take you on and deliver Brexit whether you like it or not
    Nurse! Nurse!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884

    Chris said:

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    A Turkish politician.
    Journalist:

    "Johnson's paternal great grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
    Minister of the Interior counts as a politician.
    [Sunil scoffs Boris style] :)

    But seriously, didn't know he was killed during the Turks' War of Independence in 1922.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
    I've turned it on and Rory looks like a weirdo.

    There is NO way he would ever win a GE.

    FFS he's looking down weirdly while others are talking.
    The looking down is odd. I think he is thinking but it looks weird
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    So far I think Gove has been the best. Javid also strong. Rory has been a bit of a mixed bag. Boris waffling but not really sinking his position as the favourite. Hunt OK.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Boris doesn't rule out Heathrow 3....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
    The majority of the electorate voted Leave, Boris will deliver that, it is diehard Remainers who have contempt for the electorate
    The country has changed its mind, and if you take us out with no deal then you will be destroyed as a political force for a generation. Even with a deal the Tories are going to be eviscerated. Even if by some miracle Rory get into the play off v Boris, it is Tory diversity: which Eton/Balliol Oxford man will win...?
    NO, the country has not changed its mind, which is why on the latest YouGov the Brexit Party would overtake the Tories and the BP and Tories and DUP combined would have a Commons majority with Farage PM.

    Boris will unite the Tories behind delivering Brexit Deal or No Deal and the BP will fade while the Labour party rips itself apart over EUref 2 and continues to see a flood of Remainers to the LDs and Greens
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Boris trying very hard not to smile on his own crookedness in Heathrow
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    How on earth are the Tories going to attack Labour for unrealistic spending promises after this sh*t-show?

    Unconvincingly I assume, but they don't have lines they can use. They'll go hard on chaos under Corbyn hand in hand with the SNP too, and that one is not particularly convincing either.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    So far I think Gove has been the best. Javid also strong. Rory has been a bit of a mixed bag. Boris waffling but not really sinking his position as the favourite. Hunt OK.

    I think Hunt has been good. Better than he was on C4.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Rory is proper weird
    And the rest aren’t?
    Relatively, no
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Come on Boris answer the fucking question will you stop runway 3?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Jonathan said:

    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.

    Agreed. Thoroughly useless bunch. The Tory party just doesn’t deserve to survive this farce.
    Scottish girl doesn’t ask question about independence - trust she will be hunted down and arrested by midnight ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Rory keeps staring at the floor.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
    The majority of the electorate voted Leave, Boris will deliver that, it is diehard Remainers who have contempt for the electorate
    The country has changed its mind, and if you take us out with no deal then you will be destroyed as a political force for a generation. Even with a deal the Tories are going to be eviscerated. Even if by some miracle Rory get into the play off v Boris, it is Tory diversity: which Eton/Balliol Oxford man will win...?
    NO, the country has not changed its mind, which is why on the latest YouGov the Brexit Party would overtake the Tories and the BP and Tories and DUP combined would have a Commons majority with Farage PM.

    Boris will unite the Tories behind delivering Brexit Deal or No Deal and the BP will fade while the Labour party rips itself apart over EUref 2 and continues to see a flood of Remainers to the LDs and Greens
    Definitely one to add to HY’s growing pile of nonsense.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    Boris's handlers have told him to not explicitly make any definite commitments at all, and he's actually managing to stay on message thus far.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    Happiest bloke on the planet must be Nigel Farage...
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.

    Do you know how much Osborne borrowed ?
    Sure, but he at least claimed he wanted to borrow less. Javid's not likely to improve that record starting out with a view that he's comfortable increasing the national debt even further.
    I'd prefer a government which was honest about its borrowing than one which claimed it was 'paying down the debt' when doing the opposite.
    I'm not defending Osborne by any means, but borrowing more, now, before the next recession hits would be the most irresponsible fiscal act by any British government that I can think of.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Hunt and Gove doing well. Boris not especially strong tonight but no howlers. The other 2 are non runners.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893

    So far I think Gove has been the best. Javid also strong. Rory has been a bit of a mixed bag. Boris waffling but not really sinking his position as the favourite. Hunt OK.

    Much improved by Gove compared to Sunday. Less grandstanding and comes across much better.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    edited June 2019
    Hunt looking most Prime Ministerial here.

    The Saj not bad - seems like a genuinely nice and decent guy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Javid promises to invest in renewable energy and be a leader in clean energy
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Tax cuts and more Public spending

    What bollocks
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    dr_spyn said:

    Artist said:

    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?

    Wiki biography here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal

    Died horribly in 1922.
    image
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The betting would suggest Gove and Hunt have performed better than Stewart
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    David Cameron and TMay must be laughing their socks off at these amateurs
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Boris now trashing HY’s confident predictions of intending to go straight to the country
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624
    Five blathering idiots.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    The future is incredibly grim.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912

    Tax cuts and more Public spending

    What bollocks

    I can't disagree with that.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Come back Dave Cameron.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    You have to ignore what they're saying because it's crap but the only one I find a bit likeable is the very bland Jeremy Hunt
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    nichomar said:

    Come on Boris answer the fucking question will you stop runway 3?

    Whose idea is this whole Heathrow malarkey?

    May's? Hammond's?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Boris does a May and rules out a general election. September nailed on
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Hunt looking most Prime Ministerial here.

    Well of course - he's a not weird looking middle aged white guy.

    Not watching, but doesn't sound like there's anyone with the oomph factor to cut into Boris's huge lead with members.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    More Boris bollocks the situation is different than when brown took over
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Jonathan said:

    Well PB Tories, on the basis of tonight your party is fucked. Which would be ok, if our country wasn’t going to be fucked too.

    Darn. Here was I hoping you'd say the Tory leadership candidates had blown you away.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boris has been crap, Hunt dull, Javid licking Boris’s arse, Rory hates Tories and Gove did a good job of kicking Jezza but not much else.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    No general election

    Good

    The only sensible thing I have heard tonight

  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    This has been an utter shambles

    Appalling chairing

    Too much talking over one another

    Utterly dispiriting
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Gove promises a detailed plan for the very poorest and to deliver growth and to send Corbyn 'the discredited Marxist back into the bin of history where you belong'
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Scores On The Doors :

    Javid -7 - Assured performance
    Rory - 6 - Some good points but not a polished performance
    Gove - 5.5 - Good on detail but tends to gabble. The stare was back.
    Hunt - 5 - Patchy. Flat early on. Improved.
    Boris - 4 - Weaknesses clearly on show.

    Format didn't help any candidate.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Ave_it said:

    No general election

    Good

    The only sensible thing I have heard tonight

    It's unavoidable...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    IanB2 said:

    Boris now trashing HY’s confident predictions of intending to go straight to the country

    In fairness of course he won't make that official plan A. It's a question of how quickly his plan A gets ruled out and he then has to consider it.
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