I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
Well done Mrs M! Can't imagine our soon to be PM acting with such stoicism.
Seriously? I cannot even conceive how you got from watching a video of Merkel to congratulating her for qualities May would not have. I don't even know what on earth you are praising or criticising.
We ought to go back to the CON leadership rules that were in place in 1963 when I placed my first ever political bet. There was no member voting and there was no formal voting o MPs. A new leader just "emerged" Alec Douglas-Home who became PM
Did you bet on him?
No. I went for Christopher Soames. At the time I was only 17 and walked into the bookies in my school blazer
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Gove did poorly. He is only net four up compared to +10, +12 and +18 for Javid, Johnson and Stewart. I think both Hunt and Gove must have lost some of their round 1 supporters to Stewart.
Stewart will pick up 0 Raab votes, Gove as the last non Boris Leaver left may pick up some Raab votes.
Gove gained more MPs than Hunt did today too
Yes, is Hunt in trouble (of getting second that is)? He's the physical embodiment of the concept of 'meh' as far as I can see, no enthusiasm behind him at all. I like an appeal to dull competence, but even if he has that it is not waht they want.
Hunt now looks Portillo 2001 to me
Yep.
Hunt had supposedly 70 MPs backing him a few months ago but has been squeezed by the Boris and Rory surge
Maybe he DID do some tacticals and some people switched from Hunt to Stewart.
I think that's what happened.
Which means Hunt's position is even weaker than it looks.
If that's right then may not be possible to get Hunt in the Final.
I guess the question for Boris then becomes should he switch tacticals to Gove? With a fair number of Raab likely to go to Gove anyway then Gove could well move into 2nd place in the next ballot.
But my suspicion now is that Stewart will make the Final unless Boris goes for massive tactical voting - but that would require his vote count to fall - which he surely won't risk.
When the facts change its time to change your opinion.
The best move for team Boris now might simply be to welcome any challenger, including Stewart.
It's not like Rory's plan to achieve Brexit is any more credible than Boris's.
It's technically more credible in the sense that we know the EU would accept what he is proposing, it's just equally not very credible on how to get parliament to agree something the EU will also agree.
The key is to get Labour on board - or at least enough Labour MPs to get the WA (or a WA with small changes) over the line. A new face with a new approach might just be able to do that, especially as MPs stare into the abyss of no-deal.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I know The Saj only just squeaked in, but he rose more than Gove and Hunt, and is surely in a better position for even a few Raab transfers than Stewart, it seems a reasonable result.
Yes I think either Javid or Rory go out tomorrow or both.
Most Raab votes will go to Boris with a few to Gove so if Javid can pick up a few from Raab nd makes some hard Brexity noises tonight he could knock out Rory as no Raab voters likely go to Stewart unless Hunt or Gove start leaking backers to Rory
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Gove did poorly. He is only net four up compared to +10, +12 and +18 for Javid, Johnson and Stewart. I think both Hunt and Gove must have lost some of their round 1 supporters to Stewart.
They couldn't have lost many as Rory would have picked up many of Hancock's and maybe some of Harper's and Leadsom's.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Gove did poorly. He is only net four up compared to +10, +12 and +18 for Javid, Johnson and Stewart. I think both Hunt and Gove must have lost some of their round 1 supporters to Stewart.
Maybe he DID do some tacticals and some people switched from Hunt to Stewart.
I think that's what happened.
Which means Hunt's position is even weaker than it looks.
If that's right then may not be possible to get Hunt in the Final.
I guess the question for Boris then becomes should he switch tacticals to Gove? With a fair number of Raab likely to go to Gove anyway then Gove could well move into 2nd place in the next ballot.
But my suspicion now is that Stewart will make the Final unless Boris goes for massive tactical voting - but that would require his vote count to fall - which he surely won't risk.
When the facts change its time to change your opinion.
The best move for team Boris now might simply be to welcome any challenger, including Stewart.
It's not like Rory's plan to achieve Brexit is any more credible than Boris's.
It's technically more credible in the sense that we know the EU would accept what he is proposing, it's just equally not very credible on how to get parliament to agree something the EU will also agree.
The key is to get Labour on board - or at least enough Labour MPs to get the WA (or a WA with small changes) over the line. A new face with a new approach might just be able to do that, especially as MPs stare into the abyss of no-deal.
The problem now is holding onto the Tory votes from last time! Given all the leadership candidates bar Stewart say how easy it would be for them to get a new WA, even if they recant and vote for it again some of the BXP fearing cowards will back away from it.
Would then be very tough for Stewart - he would need a lot of switchers to survive.
The arrogant assumptions by commentators about 'lending support' are on a par with those of Boris' minders.
The fact remains that 60% of the Conservative Parliamentary Party have so far supported other candidates than Boris Johnson. Given the perilous situation in the House of Commons he will want to be on a lot more than 2/5ths by Friday.
We ought to go back to the CON leadership rules that were in place in 1963 when I placed my first ever political bet. There was no member voting and there was no formal voting o MPs. A new leader just "emerged" Alec Douglas-Home who became PM
We ought to go back to the CON leadership rules that were in place in 1963 when I placed my first ever political bet. There was no member voting and there was no formal voting o MPs. A new leader just "emerged" Alec Douglas-Home who became PM
A new leader was blatantly railroaded into power out of personal animus from Macmillan towards R A Butler - Alec Douglas-Home who became PM.
FTFY...
On Youtube there is a documentary on 10 Downing Street (seemingly uploaded by its producer from a dodgy VHS) that runs through most 20th Century PMs, and includes Home's verdicts on several of them. Just the thing to fill time before the debate.
The next vote is tomorrow, not Thursday as I'd assumed.
Next vote tomorrow and will be multiple votes on Thursday if needed.
By this time Thursday we'll have the final two.
I read that it was one vote per day, with only the bottom or joint bottom candidates dropping out, no threshold. Then the big two will be known by Friday, unless there's a tie at the bottom.
I think Boris did tacticals for Hunt but they were disguised as Hunt lost votes to Stewart.
If that's right then it may not be possible for Boris to get Hunt in the Final.
I guess the question for Boris then becomes should he switch tacticals to Gove? With a fair number of Raab likely to go to Gove anyway then Gove could well move into 2nd place in the next ballot.
But my suspicion now is that Stewart will make the Final unless Boris goes for massive tactical voting - but that would require his vote count to fall - which he surely won't risk.
There is no real evidence of any loan votes. There were 50 votes up for grabs from the candidates eliminated in round 1, and the simplest explanation is that those 50 went mainly to Saj (+10), Rory (+18) and Boris (+12). That's 40, and the other three shared 10 extra votes. No need to posit churns, defections and loans.
But McVey and Leadsom had 20 between them - so for starters almost all of these should have gone to Boris (we know hardly any went to Raab).
Plus he got Hancock himself and presumably the odd one or two from Hancock supporters.
So it doesn't make sense - he should have gone up more - implying he did do some tacticals.
Maybe he DID do some tacticals and some people switched from Hunt to Stewart.
I think that's what happened.
Which means Hunt's position is even weaker than it looks.
If that's right then may not be possible to get Hunt in the Final.
I guess the question for Boris then becomes should he switch tacticals to Gove? With a fair number of Raab likely to go to Gove anyway then Gove could well move into 2nd place in the next ballot.
But my suspicion now is that Stewart will make the Final unless Boris goes for massive tactical voting - but that would require his vote count to fall - which he surely won't risk.
When the facts change its time to change your opinion.
The best move for team Boris now might simply be to welcome any challenger, including Stewart.
It's not like Rory's plan to achieve Brexit is any more credible than Boris's.
It's technically more credible in the sense that we know the EU would accept what he is proposing, it's just equally not very credible on how to get parliament to agree something the EU will also agree.
The key is to get Labour on board - or at least enough Labour MPs to get the WA (or a WA with small changes) over the line. A new face with a new approach might just be able to do that, especially as MPs stare into the abyss of no-deal.
Well done Mrs M! Can't imagine our soon to be PM acting with such stoicism.
Seriously? I cannot even conceive how you got from watching a video of Merkel to congratulating her for qualities May would not have. I don't even know what on earth you are praising or criticising.
I'll lead you through it very slowly. 'Our soon to be PM'=Boris. Mrs Merkel clearly suffering yet remained standing through two national anthems=Stoic. Not even cryptic.
We ought to go back to the CON leadership rules that were in place in 1963 when I placed my first ever political bet. There was no member voting and there was no formal voting o MPs. A new leader just "emerged" Alec Douglas-Home who became PM
In 1965 there was only one round. Ted Heath winged it, Enoch Powell got only 15 votes, and Reginald Maudling withdrew.
Would then be very tough for Stewart - he would need a lot of switchers to survive.
If Stewart persuaded four switchers from each of Hunt, Gove and Javid he would then be second on 49 with the other three eliminated in joint last on 46.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
Would then be very tough for Stewart - he would need a lot of switchers to survive.
Why would the ERG try to block the one man actually with a plan to deliver Brexit rather than the pretenders who just want the top job and might do anything once they get it?
Would then be very tough for Stewart - he would need a lot of switchers to survive.
Why would the ERG try to block the one man actually with a plan to deliver Brexit rather than the pretenders who just want the top job and might do anything once they get it?
Would then be very tough for Stewart - he would need a lot of switchers to survive.
If you really wanted a decent final choice you wouldn’t try and eliminate Stewart deliberately as he offers a genuine choice that can be rejected. To do otherwise shows how narrow the membership views now are.
I think Boris did tacticals for Hunt but they were disguised as Hunt lost votes to Stewart.
If that's right then it may not be possible for Boris to get Hunt in the Final.
I guess the question for Boris then becomes should he switch tacticals to Gove? With a fair number of Raab likely to go to Gove anyway then Gove could well move into 2nd place in the next ballot.
But my suspicion now is that Stewart will make the Final unless Boris goes for massive tactical voting - but that would require his vote count to fall - which he surely won't risk.
There is no real evidence of any loan votes. There were 50 votes up for grabs from the candidates eliminated in round 1, and the simplest explanation is that those 50 went mainly to Saj (+10), Rory (+18) and Boris (+12). That's 40, and the other three shared 10 extra votes. No need to posit churns, defections and loans.
But McVey and Leadsom had 20 between them - so for starters almost all of these should have gone to Boris (we know hardly any went to Raab).
Plus he got Hancock himself and presumably the odd one or two from Hancock supporters.
So it doesn't make sense - he should have gone up more - implying he did do some tacticals.
You seem to imagine defeated candidates can just allocate their votes as they like.
Stephen Crabb who once stood in one of these things was on C4 recently saying it definitely doesn't work like that. In fact supporters are likely to take quite badly to being told where to direct their votes.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
I think he may have grabbed several, but lost a lot of others elsewhere. We shouldn't discount churn, just not assume it's because of tactical voting.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
Why would the 20 Hancock and 10 Harper voters switch to Boris ?
And just because Hancock publicly backed Boris doesn't mean that any of his supporters voted for Boris or even that Hancock himself did.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
50 votes up for grabs. Rory added 18, Boris 12 and Saj 10. That's 40. So if Boris is lending votes, to whom?
The other three candidates only went up by 3 or 4 each so let's put them to one side.
Rory's surge can be explained by his debate performance (and probably the hustings as well).
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
Seems like a pretty low fine to me, the answer would be more fines for those attacking emergency services people in that manner, not that the amoun there was unreasonable, in my view.
I think a number of Boris supporters voted for Hunt. Otherwise he would have gone backwards.
Why?
Remember Boris was always front-runner. Anyone who wanted to vote for Boris, as the likely winner, could already have done so. Since Boris boycotted the debate, he'd not have won any converts there!
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
Not if you regard it as an attack on the electoral process.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
Possibly. His 'I'm the serious candidate' might actually be more difficult with Rory still in the race, simply because he will say none of the others are serious about what they are offering, whereas without Rory they might all have focused fired on Boris.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
That is abusive and bullying behaviour. I would have hoped that MPs would have the resolve to rebel against such absurd instructions, but apparently not.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
In the first round it was a case of one phone allegedly being used, and then banned by the 1922 Committee.
Almost every political leader would tick some of those boxes.
We are too used to May and Corbyn who both make extensive use of several of Eco's checklist. Not almost every politician is like that. Cameron, Blair and Major would score far lower than May and Corbyn, who in turn score far lower than Farage.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
In the first round it was a case of one phone allegedly being used, and then banned by the 1922 Committee.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
That is abusive and bullying behaviour. I would have hoped that MPs would have the resolve to rebel against such absurd instructions, but apparently not.
Or Channel 4 have been told/are talking cobblers.
It's an amusing story, regardless of whether there's any truth in it or not.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
I presumed this was a joke. Absolutely ridiculous if true, and why would anyone not expecting a senior cabinet job care what Boris' team thought? It is a hung parliament, individual MPs have the power, not the whips.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
It was compensation - not a fine, and not based upon income.
Boris - 126 - Lower than expected. Expectation management poor Hunt - 46 - Poor result. In for a desperate fight for second Gove - 41 - As Hunt Rory - 37 - Has the big mo for second place. Javid - 33 - Phew. Last of the rest but put on 10 votes Rabb - 30 - BREXITED
I expect Rory would prefer Javid to have gone too, he surely won't get many transfers from Raab.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
Some imbeciles have already crowdfunded the fine and raised around £2k anyway. I'm unclear what happens to that. Presumably the principle that you can't profit from your own crime applies.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
It was compensation - not a fine, and not based upon income.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Maybe the question of Boris' lending or otherwise is being over thought? Maybe those who do not back Boris actually don't like him, and don't think he is fit to be leader? He is still only attracting 2 of 5 Tory MPs, despite drawing support from all strands of thought in the Party. He's also drawing opposition from all strands too.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
Have you seen the video where Farage gets dangerously close to advocating violence, and talks about picking up a rifle?
These things must just be a matter of refusing to hate on someone on your side, because to me George Osborne saying he wanted to chop up Theresa May and put her in his freezer, and John McDonnell saying Labour councillors who obstruct the far left should be kneecapped, are both far worse. But maybe they are perfectly ok and I just think they're bad because I like Farage
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Boris - 126 - Lower than expected. Expectation management poor Hunt - 46 - Poor result. In for a desperate fight for second Gove - 41 - As Hunt Rory - 37 - Has the big mo for second place. Javid - 33 - Phew. Last of the rest but put on 10 votes Rabb - 30 - BREXITED
I expect Rory would prefer Javid to have gone too, he surely won't get many transfers from Raab.
Possibly none. He's most likely to pick up votes from Hunt and maybe Gove.
IDS the message from locals and Eu elections is we have to leave, well I saw something rather different as there was no clear vote for the shit position that leaves us in. The reality is we sit here while the governing party completely and utterly waste the available time before the end of October in a vanity shit fest from which none will come up with a solution. Given that the had a vanity election in 2017 I supposed I shouldn’t be surprised. This used to be a serious party of government but we have now got two loony tune parties, Tory and cult corbyn. that do not deserve the time of day.
Boris - 126 - Lower than expected. Expectation management poor Hunt - 46 - Poor result. In for a desperate fight for second Gove - 41 - As Hunt Rory - 37 - Has the big mo for second place. Javid - 33 - Phew. Last of the rest but put on 10 votes Rabb - 30 - BREXITED
I expect Rory would prefer Javid to have gone too, he surely won't get many transfers from Raab.
Good point. That might just have done it for Rory if Javid does not pull out (and why would he?), it really increases the number of direct transfers he needs from people still in the race to avoid coming last. But he's played expectations well so far.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
Some imbeciles have already crowdfunded the fine and raised around £2k anyway. I'm unclear what happens to that. Presumably the principle that you can't profit from your own crime applies.
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The fact remains that 60% of the Conservative Parliamentary Party have so far supported other candidates than Boris Johnson. Given the perilous situation in the House of Commons he will want to be on a lot more than 2/5ths by Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFA6dksRquA
Then the big two will be known by Friday, unless there's a tie at the bottom.
Plus he got Hancock himself and presumably the odd one or two from Hancock supporters.
So it doesn't make sense - he should have gone up more - implying he did do some tacticals.
That would be amusing!
Stephen Crabb who once stood in one of these things was on C4 recently saying it definitely doesn't work like that. In fact supporters are likely to take quite badly to being told where to direct their votes.
And just because Hancock publicly backed Boris doesn't mean that any of his supporters voted for Boris or even that Hancock himself did.
The other three candidates only went up by 3 or 4 each so let's put them to one side.
Rory's surge can be explained by his debate performance (and probably the hustings as well).
So all that is left is Saj.
http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html
People who voted for Boris in the first round or people who have publicly said they're supporting Boris ?
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
Remember Boris was always front-runner. Anyone who wanted to vote for Boris, as the likely winner, could already have done so. Since Boris boycotted the debate, he'd not have won any converts there!
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
Or Channel 4 have been told/are talking cobblers.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/neo-nazi-trial-terror-prince-harry-michal-szewczuk-oskar-dunn-koczorowski-a8963396.html
https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1141040471411744769
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
I'll get my jacket...
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
He is still only attracting 2 of 5 Tory MPs, despite drawing support from all strands of thought in the Party. He's also drawing opposition from all strands too.