Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Bullying people to deliberately flout a rule surrounding a secret ballot by lying to the officers in charge in order to know how they voted in said secret ballot is not a 'technical infraction.' Somebody doing it in a general election would get a very large dollop of porridge, and rightly so. Somebody doing it in this case would, rightly, lose the whip and be deselected.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Well he is lucky he is not barred from public office for a range of offenses from the referendum campaign including lying and over spending.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
Some imbeciles have already crowdfunded the fine and raised around £2k anyway. I'm unclear what happens to that. Presumably the principle that you can't profit from your own crime applies.
Indeed, he can't just trouser the money.
Can I still describe the fundraising as a whip round, or is that insufficiently similar to a shake?
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
In the first round it was a case of one phone allegedly being used, and then banned by the 1922 Committee.
Rules are for little people, not for Johnson.
Johnson won't have suggested using cameras. Gavin Williamson however...
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
I think the financial circumstances of an individual are taken into account in judging the fine.
A £100 fine if you are on income support is more severe than a £350 fine if you earn £ 40k.
Some imbeciles have already crowdfunded the fine and raised around £2k anyway. I'm unclear what happens to that. Presumably the principle that you can't profit from your own crime applies.
Indeed, he can't just trouser the money.
Can I still describe the fundraising as a whip round, or is that insufficiently similar to a shake?
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
Have you seen the video where Farage gets dangerously close to advocating violence, and talks about picking up a rifle?
These things must just be a matter of refusing to hate on someone on your side, because to me George Osborne saying he wanted to chop up Theresa May and put her in his freezer, and John McDonnell saying Labour councillors who obstruct the far left should be kneecapped, are both far worse. But maybe they are perfectly ok and I just think they're bad because I like Farage
Advocating violence in a political context is never right.
I don't THINK anyone will find a post from me where I've advocated it!
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Bullying people to deliberately flout a rule surrounding a secret ballot by lying to the officers in charge in order to know how they voted in said secret ballot is not a 'technical infraction.' Somebody doing it in a general election would get a very large dollop of porridge, and rightly so. Somebody doing it in this case would, rightly, lose the whip and be deselected.
If it happened hed say it was technical and that he had nothing to do with it to boot. Hes untouchable right now.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
In the first round it was a case of one phone allegedly being used, and then banned by the 1922 Committee.
You’d hope there would be a penalty for misleading the returning officer
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Bullying people to deliberately flout a rule surrounding a secret ballot by lying to the officers in charge in order to know how they voted in said secret ballot is not a 'technical infraction.' Somebody doing it in a general election would get a very large dollop of porridge, and rightly so. Somebody doing it in this case would, rightly, lose the whip and be deselected.
If it happened hed say it was technical and that he had nothing to do with it to boot. Hes untouchable right now.
Would anyone believe a man who has his extraordinary track record of dishonesty, right from the time when his godfather sacked him from his first job for falsifying a quote (a la Hari or Jayston Blair)?
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Boris - 126 - Lower than expected. Expectation management poor Hunt - 46 - Poor result. In for a desperate fight for second Gove - 41 - As Hunt Rory - 37 - Has the big mo for second place. Javid - 33 - Phew. Last of the rest but put on 10 votes Rabb - 30 - BREXITED
I expect Rory would prefer Javid to have gone too, he surely won't get many transfers from Raab.
Very few. What Rory will be looking for is to peel away some of the soft Hunt/Gove support who will be disappointed with their mans stalling performance. Additionally I suspect they'll also hope to nibble away at Javid's thirty three.
Perhaps more interestingly might be the potential to eek out some of the Boris "One Nation" group.
Take a small bite out of these four groups and you end up with a decent mouthful of additional MP's. Perhaps even enough to leapfrog into a narrow second place. We may have a tortoise and hare race on our hands. Scenario round three
Channel 4 news: Boris supporters were allegedly instructed to take two mobile phones into the polling room so they could put one on a table to prove they weren't using a phone and use the other to take secret photos of how they had voted.
There were similar reports with the first ballot. That cannot possibly be true can it? I'd tell him to get stuffed, even if I would still vote for him.
Please let it be true so he gets disqualified.
That would be the funniest thing he's ever done.
It would be totally on brand for him to get binned for trying to break the rules.
He'd love it - dare them to toss out the most popular candidate for a technical infraction.
Bullying people to deliberately flout a rule surrounding a secret ballot by lying to the officers in charge in order to know how they voted in said secret ballot is not a 'technical infraction.' Somebody doing it in a general election would get a very large dollop of porridge, and rightly so. Somebody doing it in this case would, rightly, lose the whip and be deselected.
If it happened hed say it was technical and that he had nothing to do with it to boot. Hes untouchable right now.
Would anyone believe a man who has his extraordinary track record of dishonesty, right from the time when his godfather sacked him from his first job for falsifying a quote (a la Hari or Jayston Blair)?
QTWTAIN...
I may be misjudging him, but I can think of someone
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
"I've been through the list of undeclared Tory MPs and there are 25 that might consider voting for Rory Stewart IMO:
Guto Bebb, Tracey Crouch, Jonathan Djanogly, George Freeman, Cheryl Gillan, Damian Green, Justine Greening, Sam Gyimah, Philip Hammond, Stephen Hammond, Richard Harrington, George Hollingbery, Nick Hurd, Alister Jack, Phillip Lee, Jeremy Lefroy, Theresa May, Paul Maynard, Sarah Newton, Jesse Norman, Neil O'Brien, Daniel Poulter, Jeremy Quin, Julian Smith, William Wragg.
Those 25 would take him from 14 to 39 votes."
Two of them, Tracey Crouch and Damian Green, said they were voting for Boris today. But the other 37 are probably a pretty good bet for who voted for Rory IMO.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
Teenage Neo Nazis and gay bashers though, in 2019? (and at the risk of sounding terribly old fashioned, young men bashing young gay women makes it even more horrific)
Boris - 126 - Lower than expected. Expectation management poor Hunt - 46 - Poor result. In for a desperate fight for second Gove - 41 - As Hunt Rory - 37 - Has the big mo for second place. Javid - 33 - Phew. Last of the rest but put on 10 votes Rabb - 30 - BREXITED
I expect Rory would prefer Javid to have gone too, he surely won't get many transfers from Raab.
Very few. What Rory will be looking for is to peel away some of the soft Hunt/Gove support who will be disappointed with their mans stalling performance. Additionally I suspect they'll also hope to nibble away at Javid's thirty three.
Perhaps more interestingly might be the potential to eek out some of the Boris "One Nation" group.
Take a small bite out of these four groups and you end up with a decent mouthful of additional MP's. Perhaps even enough to leapfrog into a narrow second place. We may have a tortoise and hare race on our hands. Scenario round three
Stewart has done really well but I cannot see how he survives the next vote unless one of the others drops out or implodes.
The best case scenario for Stewart is Javid pulls out and publicly endorses him. Otherwise Javid himself could knock Stewart out tomorrow, possibly as a result of tactical voting by Johnson and/or Raab supporters.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
Boris has a 77 point lead over Rory w Con members according to YouGov. If thats anywhere near right 1.2 is a gift isnt it?
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
I recall a very nasty fight between teens/20's of my home town and those of a neighbouring small town in the late 60's.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
Teenage Neo Nazis and gay bashers though, in 2019? (and at the risk of sounding terribly old fashioned, young men bashing young gay women makes it even more horrific)
Neo nazis are probably less prevalent (despite brexit)
I think society is (generally) far more accepting of differences than it was when I was young.
There have been some attacks on gay men in London where it was alleged that their sexuality was the motive - some of those allegedly involved acid.
I think any bloke hitting any woman is a sack of shit and I hope they have the book thrown at them.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
Why would the 20 Hancock and 10 Harper voters switch to Boris ?
And just because Hancock publicly backed Boris doesn't mean that any of his supporters voted for Boris or even that Hancock himself did.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
Boris has a 77 point lead over Rory w Con members according to YouGov. If thats anywhere near right 1.2 is a gift isnt it?
I don't think the majority of Con members actually have a very firm view on Rory yet - tonight may change that. But even then it would be value on the view most of them have of Boris (and of No Deal).
The 1.2 is mostly about Boris blowing himself up, or the papers doing it for him. What I would say about that is that if you thought you had enough to bring Boris down, you'd wait until he was the most Brexity candidate left in the field before doing so.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
Boris has a 77 point lead over Rory w Con members according to YouGov. If thats anywhere near right 1.2 is a gift isnt it?
I’d wait until we see how he performs tonight if I were you.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
Boris has a 77 point lead over Rory w Con members according to YouGov. If thats anywhere near right 1.2 is a gift isnt it?
Makes you wonder why Johnson is lending votes out. He doesn't have anything to fear from the other contenders, so why not build a more impressive lead among MPs?
Trouble within the new Liberal parliamentary group in the European Parliament.
ALDE is now succeeded by Renew Europe and they must select a leader. Candidate Fredrick Federley has just pulled out, citing “under the table” deals, which he says risk splitting the new group.
You don't suppose the 'Boris lending supporters' story is being spread around because his acolytes suspect he's not going to do 'that' well? Expectation management?
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
I recall a very nasty fight between teens/20's of my home town and those of a neighbouring small town in the late 60's.
Violent crime has fallen significantly over the last 40 years, it is a success story and should be celebrated and allow us to feel safer. Yet most people, even when they know the stats, prefer to think it is worse now than ever before and feel more afraid. We are curious creatures.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
It's not impossible. The undercurrent of the contest has clearly been between those prepared to tolerate Boris (given the exceptional circumstances) and those not. If you were willing to get on board with Boris, why not do so from the start?
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
Boris has a 77 point lead over Rory w Con members according to YouGov. If thats anywhere near right 1.2 is a gift isnt it?
Makes you wonder why Johnson is lending votes out.
Except I don't believe he is.
If Johnson were to lose this leadership election it will go down as poorly a fought a campaign since ... well ... since Theresa May in 2017.
I know the main news is Rory, but Gove actually did pretty well increasing his vote and slightly closing the gap with Hunt. He could have done much worse and even have been knocked out.
Yes this was a good result for Boris and Gove, a great result for Stewart, a bad result for Hunt and Raab and a so so result for Javid
I wonder whether Hunt might consider his position in the race. Unlikely since he's still in second place.
I think several Boris tacticals went his way so it's worse than it looks.
There is no evidence Boris lent tactical votes to any other candidate, at least not from the figures. Boris is up 12 from the first round. There is no reason to suppose Boris is up 30, but lent 18 to Hunt who then lost 15 to other candidates.
You think out of 50 votes up for grabs Boris grabbed only 12 of them?
Why would the 20 Hancock and 10 Harper voters switch to Boris ?
And just because Hancock publicly backed Boris doesn't mean that any of his supporters voted for Boris or even that Hancock himself did.
I think that Sajid just making the cut was bad news for Rory. If the Saj was out he would have had a much better pool to fish in. The Raab pool is unlikely to be fruitful. That means he needs to do serious damage to Gove or Hunt tonight. Attacking Boris may be fun for us all but it seems unlikely to get him in the final 2.
Both Hunt and Gove look vulnerable and their support soft. But its still quite an ask when Gove may well gain some Raab supporters.
I think a number of Boris supporters voted for Hunt. Otherwise he would have gone backwards.
I now know this for a fact from a source in Boris's campaign.
You now have a source who is dim enough to think Boris is suitable to be PM who believes this.
That is not the same thing as a 'fact.'
It truly is remarkable the lengths people will go toward to explain away or dismiss facts they find inconvenient or embarrassing. A strange trait of human nature.
Ok, don't believe me. This source is very well placed but that's your prerogative. And there are other respected journalists on Twitter echoing the same.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
Teenage Neo Nazis and gay bashers though, in 2019? (and at the risk of sounding terribly old fashioned, young men bashing young gay women makes it even more horrific)
Do we know the ethnicity of the attackers ?
Such things will be viewed differently in much of the world.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
I recall a very nasty fight between teens/20's of my home town and those of a neighbouring small town in the late 60's.
Violent crime has fallen significantly over the last 40 years, it is a success story and should be celebrated and allow us to feel safer. Yet most people, even when they know the stats, prefer to think it is worse now than ever before and feel more afraid. We are curious creatures.
CCTV and camera phones. They have had the effect of making us safer, but...40 years ago the gay couple on the bus would not have been able to take such a photo, and have it in the newspapers and on TV virtually instantly. Which visceral immediacy makes us feel less safe.
I think a number of Boris supporters voted for Hunt. Otherwise he would have gone backwards.
I now know this for a fact from a source in Boris's campaign.
You now have a source who is dim enough to think Boris is suitable to be PM who believes this.
That is not the same thing as a 'fact.'
It truly is remarkable the lengths people will go toward to explain away or dismiss facts they find inconvenient or embarrassing. A strange trait of human nature.
Ok, don't believe me. This source is very well placed but that's your prerogative. And there are other respected journalists on Twitter echoing the same.
Others may want to take their own view.
My point is he(?) may well be telling you what he believes to be true, but it's reliant on people telling the truth to your source and reliant on your source being truthful, as well as finally your source having enough of a brain to process that information correctly.
I would gently suggest that when it comes to anything to do with BlowJob Bojo, these are bold assumptions.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
Teenage Neo Nazis and gay bashers though, in 2019? (and at the risk of sounding terribly old fashioned, young men bashing young gay women makes it even more horrific)
Do we know the ethnicity of the attackers ?
Such things will be viewed differently in much of the world.
One of the boys was speaking Spanish apparently, I doubt they'll name them as all under 18
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
It's hard for me to say, as I have zero idea about sentencing guidelines. But as far as I can tell (and I might be wrong) they've committed no violence, and are young and apparently stupid. It's a serious crime of its type, but no-one's been directly hurt.
Hopefully they'll get the help they need in jail.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
I recall a very nasty fight between teens/20's of my home town and those of a neighbouring small town in the late 60's.
Violent crime has fallen significantly over the last 40 years, it is a success story and should be celebrated and allow us to feel safer. Yet most people, even when they know the stats, prefer to think it is worse now than ever before and feel more afraid. We are curious creatures.
Because humans have no native understanding of statistics or risk. We accumulate bad stories and the more we accumulate the worse we think things are. It's why old people are often such gits. They have a false view that everything is going to hell. Old people have always been like that, and always will be.
It's difficult to compare the damage done by Mr Crowther's milk shake with that done by the fascist Farage
Farage is many things, but he isn't a fascist.
£350 fine, 150 hours community service and the sack. Fitting punishment
I have no sympathy with the idiot who did it, but the fine seems a little steep. This morning there was a program on BBC One about attacks on the emergency services, and (*) a man who attacked and pulled out the hair of a policewoman did not get much more of a fine than that.
(*) I was only half-watching as I coded, so I hope I got the right incident.
Will be interesting to compare with the youths who allegedly attacked the gay couple on the London bus. Have teenagers always been this bad?
IMV: it's hard to tell, but I'd guess yes. We just get to hear much more about it nowadays.
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Plenty of violence around in the late 70's early 80's.
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
I recall a very nasty fight between teens/20's of my home town and those of a neighbouring small town in the late 60's.
Violent crime has fallen significantly over the last 40 years, it is a success story and should be celebrated and allow us to feel safer. Yet most people, even when they know the stats, prefer to think it is worse now than ever before and feel more afraid. We are curious creatures.
Because humans have no native understanding of statistics or risk. We accumulate bad stories and the more we accumulate the worse we think things are. It's why old people are often such gits. They have a false view that everything is going to hell. Old people have always been like that, and always will be.
You are probably right, and with more old people than ever before, politicians have to appeal to gits who think everything is going to hell. Suddenly Brexit makes more sense.
They don’t understand parliamentary democracy, they don’t have to follow the instructions of a questionable referendum if they don’t think it’s in our best interests. They should have the balls to stand up and say this is shit why shoot ourselves in both feet we will revoke and send the leavers off to a distant room to come back with a plan that will work, it would be a long time before they come back.
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Nice guy, Sajid Javid.
I don't THINK anyone will find a post from me where I've advocated it!
Such a very kind face.
QTWTAIN...
Boris +58
Rory -19
Surely a lay at 10.5 even if he got to the last 2 (vs Johnson)
Think of the mods versus the rockers back in the day.
In addition, fifty years ago the gay couple might not have been willing to report it.
Perhaps more interestingly might be the potential to eek out some of the Boris "One Nation" group.
Take a small bite out of these four groups and you end up with a decent mouthful of additional MP's. Perhaps even enough to leapfrog into a narrow second place. We may have a tortoise and hare race on our hands. Scenario round three
Boris - 140
Rory - 53
Hunt - 47
Gove - 43
Javid - 30 - Eliminated.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7154083/Fears-Angela-Merkels-health-seen-violently-shaking-minute-Berlin.html
Back in those days it was not unknown for the police to hand out a beating or two too.
"I've been through the list of undeclared Tory MPs and there are 25 that might consider voting for Rory Stewart IMO:
Guto Bebb, Tracey Crouch, Jonathan Djanogly, George Freeman, Cheryl Gillan,
Damian Green, Justine Greening, Sam Gyimah, Philip Hammond, Stephen Hammond,
Richard Harrington, George Hollingbery, Nick Hurd, Alister Jack, Phillip Lee,
Jeremy Lefroy, Theresa May, Paul Maynard, Sarah Newton, Jesse Norman,
Neil O'Brien, Daniel Poulter, Jeremy Quin, Julian Smith, William Wragg.
Those 25 would take him from 14 to 39 votes."
Two of them, Tracey Crouch and Damian Green, said they were voting for Boris today. But the other 37 are probably a pretty good bet for who voted for Rory IMO.
However in practice, I think a bit of vote lending may have gone on.
I think society is (generally) far more accepting of differences than it was when I was young.
There have been some attacks on gay men in London where it was alleged that their sexuality was the motive - some of those allegedly involved acid.
I think any bloke hitting any woman is a sack of shit and I hope they have the book thrown at them.
That is not the same thing as a 'fact.'
Why?
Because their man isn't doing quite as well as they had hoped this time.
It has the prints of Gavin Williamson all over it.
The 1.2 is mostly about Boris blowing himself up, or the papers doing it for him. What I would say about that is that if you thought you had enough to bring Boris down, you'd wait until he was the most Brexity candidate left in the field before doing so.
ALDE is now succeeded by Renew Europe and they must select a leader. Candidate Fredrick Federley has just pulled out, citing “under the table” deals, which he says risk splitting the new group.
The leader is elected on Wednesday.
If Johnson were to lose this leadership election it will go down as poorly a fought a campaign since ... well ... since Theresa May in 2017.
Hello Lynton!
I think Johnson can gerrymander Hunt into the run off and therefore that he will do so. It's the sort of person he is.
Let’s see how he does in the debate.
Both Hunt and Gove look vulnerable and their support soft. But its still quite an ask when Gove may well gain some Raab supporters.
Ok, don't believe me. This source is very well placed but that's your prerogative. And there are other respected journalists on Twitter echoing the same.
Others may want to take their own view.
Such things will be viewed differently in much of the world.
Which visceral immediacy makes us feel less safe.
I would gently suggest that when it comes to anything to do with BlowJob Bojo, these are bold assumptions.
It's why old people are often such gits. They have a false view that everything is going to hell. Old people have always been like that, and always will be.
It's a shame he's intellectually and morally unequal to his ambition.
Looking the most Prime Ministerial.