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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    More 'believe in Britain' nonsense.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Boris just blew up the 31 Oct deadline.....

    Boris is the continuity May candidate with different style but exactly the same plan and lack of communication. ERG too thick to realise.
    I have argued for a while that Boris sees the WDA as the path out but expects to get some tweaks to the PD
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    MikeL said:

    Boris not interrupting anyone - sitting back calmly and authoritatively.

    Hoping everyone will forget he's there.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boris flat out ignores Rory. Lol.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Ave_it said:

    #bringbackmcvey

    She’s had it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    It is quite an achievement for Rory to be the least experienced and at the same time the most patronising.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    good tactics from Boris - ignore Rory and his interventions.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Stewart delievering a killer argument...
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Phukov said:

    Artist said:

    Did they deliberately put them on oversized stools?

    They ARE oversized stools
    Oversize stools for oversize tools
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    good tactics from Boris - ignore Rory and his interventions.

    Yep - it is working really well.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    justin124 said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:
    That's not a surprise in the slightest. That many Tory members wanted to be UKIP and wanted to be BXP has been pretty obvious for a long time.
    25% would probably be happy with Oswald Moseley or indeed Martin Webster.
    Shows that Stewart hasn't a chance even if he did somehow make 2nd place.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Stewart delievering a killer argument...

    Not one candidate has a killer argument
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Who is this shouty bint ? Not even a Conservative.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    Shouty woman :)
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    Hunt is surprisingly good here. He almost seems like a human being.

    Let me retract that. Carmella's eyeroll at Hunt just then was wonderful. Can someone make a gif of it?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Mortimer said:

    good tactics from Boris - ignore Rory and his interventions.

    Yep - it is working really well.
    I don't think he should actually have put his fingers in his ears though.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Turning off and I'm a political geek. Just terrible television.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    Only just realised that Rory isn't wearing a tie.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    I do not want to be unkind but the lady is never going to be convinced by any of the candidates
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    That woman has just added a percentage point to Brexit.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    edited June 2019

    MikeL said:

    Boris not interrupting anyone - sitting back calmly and authoritatively.

    Looking the most Prime Ministerial.

    We get it. You love Boris.
    Nope. I voted Remain.

    Just giving my assessment - and supported by Betfair. I've spent last few days saying I think Rory really could win - since debate started he is drifting on Betfair.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Yeah this is a bad format.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    They are all irresponsible and unwilling to accept that we have the best deal at present because they won’t achieve their personal ambitions. Poor woman is shut down as she expresses her concerns which none of the have answered.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Has Rory taken his tie off ?
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    Turning off and I'm a political geek. Just terrible television.

    Very poor TV. Maitlis struggling
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    None of the above.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    I do not want to be unkind but the lady is never going to be convinced by any of the candidates

    That's not the lady's problem, that's the Conservative Party's problem.

    Unless they've given up on the whole "convincing the electorate" thing, which does seem plausible.
  • TGOHF said:

    Has Rory taken his tie off ?

    He has. He means business.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited June 2019
    Mortimer said:

    It is quite an achievement for Rory to be the least experienced and at the same time the most patronising.

    It's not a good look except with millennials - who aren't Tory members generally and will never vote Tory.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    TGOHF said:

    Has Rory taken his tie off ?

    He has had a nice new hair dye just for the close ups.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    This a bad format. No live audience. Too sterile.

    Suits Boris fine.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    TGOHF said:

    Has Rory taken his tie off ?

    He has. He means business.
    He seems like he is desperately trying to differentiate himself; strikes me that he already has, he is the most patronising.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Turning off and I'm a political geek. Just terrible television.

    Very poor TV. Maitlis struggling
    Be thankful it is Anita Anand’s day off.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    This is shambolic car crash telly a la Brit Awards with Mick Fletwood and Sam Fox....

    Maitliss the big loser in this debate methinks!
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    This is pants
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    I agree that this format is not good at all.. Needs more structure and a bigger set and an audience.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    This is not working and Maitlis is out of her depth. Andrew Neil would have controlled it much better
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    Like slotting in the winner in extra time.

    Wanker.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    This is pants

    Correct it's shyte

    #golaylamoran
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    All bullshitting apart from Stewart.

    Wonder if Conservative members are bright enough to realize this?

    Must be surely - idiots are screened out on application I would have thought.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    JackW said:

    This a bad format. No live audience. Too sterile.

    Suits Boris fine.

    They’re all utterly useless. We see why the cabinet has failed. The new cabinet will be no better.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    This is not working and Maitlis is out of her depth. Andrew Neil would have controlled it much better

    I wonder why This Week is being axed? They clearly enjoy making it, we enjoy watching it, it can’t cost much to make and it’s hardly blocking a prime spot in the schedule.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boris flannelling on the border.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Boris is committing to absolutely nothing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    So we can all agree:

    Emily Maitlis is shit?

    (Mind you, how anyone could have doubted that after her dreadful performance in the 2010 Labour Leadership election announcement I don't know.)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Having people asking questions from outside the studio doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rory the invigilator isn’t giving Emily much time to answer the questions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Boris says he agrees with Saj and Jeremy and nobody wants to see a return to a hard border and UK government will never allow that. Says technical solution can be found in the implementation period and Brexit Party and money incentive and EU does not want a disorderly No Deal
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Are any of them fit to run a parish council
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Boris ignoring all interventions.

    Has he just learnt scripted answers to generic questions?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    This is not working and Maitlis is out of her depth. Andrew Neil would have controlled it much better

    Or are the candidates when denied the opportunity to grand stand exposed as the weak bickering empty suits they truly are
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Davey and Swinson could provide a more enlightening evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    At least Rory doesn't bug out and calls it Londonderry.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Boris 'No Tariffs' Johnson. You heard it here first.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boris is clueless.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Turning off and I'm a political geek. Just terrible television.

    Very poor TV. Maitlis struggling
    Maitlis not letting anyone finish their answers, very poor.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    kinabalu said:

    All bullshitting apart from Stewart.

    Wonder if Conservative members are bright enough to realize this?

    Must be surely - idiots are screened out on application I would have thought.

    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    nichomar said:

    They are all irresponsible and unwilling to accept that we have the best deal at present because they won’t achieve their personal ambitions. Poor woman is shut down as she expresses her concerns which none of the have answered.

    Interesting how many on here are dissing the woman who, like many mothers, is worried about the future for her children. That is a very real fear for many and the condescending dismissal of such fears is one reason why the Tories are so repulsive to so many.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    TGOHF said:

    Rory the invigilator isn’t giving Emily much time to answer the questions.

    Lol. Indeed.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    Will watch at 10pm but sounds like car crash telly...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884

    This is shambolic car crash telly a la Brit Awards with Mick Fletwood and Sam Fox....

    Maitliss the big loser in this debate methinks!

    Emma Barnett!

    #Aveit!
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    What this terrible format is exposing is that there is clearly no way out of this mess and none of these 5 have anything like an answer - unless we just forget the whole thing, which is probably where Rory really wants to take us. And that is only going to happen once the Tories have been booted out in the near future and Labour take the reins...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    kinabalu said:

    All bullshitting apart from Stewart.

    Wonder if Conservative members are bright enough to realize this?

    Must be surely - idiots are screened out on application I would have thought.

    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured
    Confidence in excess of ability has been his life story
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    I agree and am not surprised.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Hunt is surprisingly good here. He almost seems like a human being.

    Software upgrade?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Boris just ignoring any counter arguments at all.

    Probably a good tactic, but he has no answers.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    kinabalu said:

    All bullshitting apart from Stewart.

    Wonder if Conservative members are bright enough to realize this?

    Must be surely - idiots are screened out on application I would have thought.

    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured
    Agree. Rory has been poor so far and actually looks a bit out of his depth.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Boris is sitting this out. He knows he'll be PM in two months and can let the others bicker and grandstand among themselves.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    Boris says he agrees with Saj and Jeremy and nobody wants to see a return to a hard border and UK government will never allow that. Says technical solution can be found in the implementation period and Brexit Party and money incentive and EU does not want a disorderly No Deal

    What's the "implementation period" if we leave without a deal on 31 October?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Boris is committing to absolutely nothing.

    Exactly as I expected
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    kle4 said:

    Hunt is surprisingly good here. He almost seems like a human being.

    Software upgrade?
    😂
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Gove says we need to supercharge alternative arrangements on backstop and says he has had a constructive relationship with Irish Ministers and has a plan
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Rory is the only one who is treating this like a debate, not a series of pre-prepared speeches.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,573
    Visually it's slightly better on the radio, but it's hard to work out which of the candidates is chairing this bizarre setup
  • This is shambolic car crash telly a la Brit Awards with Mick Fletwood and Sam Fox....

    Maitliss the big loser in this debate methinks!

    Emma Barnett!

    #Aveit!
    I agree, Barnett would have taken everyone to the cleaners, and had them neatly pressed.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,912
    TGOHF said:

    Boris is clueless.

    If you are one of the regular readers of his columns in the Telegraph that has been obvious for a very, very long time. Boris has a way with words, but he doesn't have much to say.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Where's Hunt ????????
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I like how none of the guests are impressed by the leadership candidates answers.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Looks like they found the only Tory in Oxford.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Bad question for Boris!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    I hope Dominic didn’t spend too much of the day rehearsing his answers.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624
    Its great fun reading all your comments and trying to work out what's happening.

    Now what am I to make of these:
    TGOHF said:

    Boris is clueless.



    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured

    I would have expected TGOHF to be pro-Boris and Big G to be anti-Boris but its the opposite way round.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Boris just ignoring any counter arguments at all.

    Probably a good tactic, but he has no answers.

    That's a problem for future Boris to worry about.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says he agrees with Saj and Jeremy and nobody wants to see a return to a hard border and UK government will never allow that. Says technical solution can be found in the implementation period and Brexit Party and money incentive and EU does not want a disorderly No Deal

    What's the "implementation period" if we leave without a deal on 31 October?
    He says we will get a deal because of the money incentive and the rise of the Brexit Party and the threat of a disorderly deal (though of course Boris also said to intend to have a referendum on the backstop by October now)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Its great fun reading all your comments and trying to work out what's happening.

    Now what am I to make of these:

    TGOHF said:

    Boris is clueless.



    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured

    I would have expected TGOHF to be pro-Boris and Big G to be anti-Boris but its the opposite way round.
    Confidence and cluelessness are sadly not mutually exclusive
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Corbyn is sitting up with his hot chocolate and laughing at all of this....
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Its great fun reading all your comments and trying to work out what's happening.

    Now what am I to make of these:

    TGOHF said:

    Boris is clueless.



    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured

    I would have expected TGOHF to be pro-Boris and Big G to be anti-Boris but its the opposite way round.
    I’m pro competence.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    Gove says we need to supercharge alternative arrangements on backstop and says he has had a constructive relationship with Irish Ministers and has a plan

    Words but nothing that is convincing
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Rory is the only one who is treating this like a debate, not a series of pre-prepared speeches.

    He is a naiive one then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Hunt promises tax cuts for low income earners and more money for public services
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boris has a Trump length tie.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    Hunt promises tax cuts for low income earners and more money for public services

    He should f*ck off and join the Lib Dems!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Poor format this. It’s a mixture of Any Questions and Newsnight and a debate and it doesn’t really work.

    Rory not as good as he was in the flesh yesterday but still making good points. Not sure that it will particularly help him though.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Boris can't even defend his only policy.
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