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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    This is shambolic car crash telly a la Brit Awards with Mick Fletwood and Sam Fox....

    Maitliss the big loser in this debate methinks!

    Emma Barnett!

    #Aveit!
    I agree, Barnett would have taken everyone to the cleaners, and had them neatly pressed.
    Emma Barnett with Katya Adler are miles ahead of the rest
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Boris promising utterly nothing....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Boris says he boosted the living wage as Mayor and he will lift the threshold of NI for the low paid and to have a debate on thresholds for higher earners to get out nurses, heads of Maths departments, police inspectors out of higher threshold
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    This format is genius. It’s like getting them to sing acapella. None of them can do it. They need an audience to play up to. Genius.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Not particularly convinced by Maitlis but not an easy job for sure.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    Maitlis is awful. Carping from the sidelines.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Ch 4 debate was better.

    "Sitting with a sheep farmer"

    "Nobody WANTS No Deal"

    "If we need another couple of days"

    And similar puerile nonsense.

    Very poor format. Johnson not being tested.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Boris thinks nurses earn £70k...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    IanB2 said:

    This is not working and Maitlis is out of her depth. Andrew Neil would have controlled it much better

    I wonder why This Week is being axed? They clearly enjoy making it, we enjoy watching it, it can’t cost much to make and it’s hardly blocking a prime spot in the schedule.
    Can't afford the Blue Nun budget.....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Emily Maitlis isn't up to scratch. She needs to be tougher. She's allowing them to patronise her
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says he agrees with Saj and Jeremy and nobody wants to see a return to a hard border and UK government will never allow that. Says technical solution can be found in the implementation period and Brexit Party and money incentive and EU does not want a disorderly No Deal

    What's the "implementation period" if we leave without a deal on 31 October?
    He says we will get a deal because of the money incentive and the rise of the Brexit Party and the threat of a disorderly deal (though of course Boris also said to intend to have a referendum on the backstop by October now)
    Is anyone really convinced by this gibberish?
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    Boris just blew up the 31 Oct deadline.....

    Boris is the continuity May candidate with different style but exactly the same plan and lack of communication. ERG too thick to realise.
    He'll wheel out Mrs May's deal with a couple of cherries on the top and a chocolate flake sticking out of it and they'll buy it because it's Boris's deal and those bright enough to realise that it's more or less the same are now so thoroughly fed up with Brexit that they'll keep shtum.
    If Boris goes on to win the 2022 General Election, he'll go down as the hero who delivered Brexit, got rid of Farage and destroyed Corbyn.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Gove says he will replace VAT with a sales tax and cut business rates and look at interaction of UC and income tax to help lower earners
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    DavidL said:

    I think that Sajid just making the cut was bad news for Rory. If the Saj was out he would have had a much better pool to fish in. The Raab pool is unlikely to be fruitful. That means he needs to do serious damage to Gove or Hunt tonight. Attacking Boris may be fun for us all but it seems unlikely to get him in the final 2.

    Both Hunt and Gove look vulnerable and their support soft. But its still quite an ask when Gove may well gain some Raab supporters.

    He only needs to not come last each time
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Rory may well do better in a debate between just the Final 2.

    He's too gentle / quiet to cut through in this format.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    IanB2 said:

    Its great fun reading all your comments and trying to work out what's happening.

    Now what am I to make of these:

    TGOHF said:

    Boris is clueless.



    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured

    I would have expected TGOHF to be pro-Boris and Big G to be anti-Boris but its the opposite way round.
    Confidence and cluelessness are sadly not mutually exclusive
    I say it as I see it but I will not vote for Boris
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    I don't doubt Gove has thought through reform of local taxation and the interplay between income tax and universal credit the trouble is he loses people with the rhetoric and tone of his delivery.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Looks like Gove was getting under Boris' skin there. Wonder if he will lose it by 9.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Didn’t realise Rory had a mouth like a carp.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,391

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    Thank goodness I always had him as a Brexiter in name only. Once he gets the gig he can go back to being a full-on Remainer like the rest of the Johnson clan.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,847
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    That is one of his better ideas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    Boris thinks nurses earn £70k...

    Registered nurse anaesthetists have a median annual income of £73k so Boris was right for some nurses

    https://www.gapmedics.com/uk/blog/2014/03/13/highest-paying-nursing-specialties-top-ten/
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Better from Rory on tax cuts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Emily is just rubbish at this. She is being ignored and talked over. It is detracting from the debate.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Rory is not a Tory.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    kinabalu said:

    Ch 4 debate was better.

    "Sitting with a sheep farmer"

    "Nobody WANTS No Deal"

    "If we need another couple of days"

    And similar puerile nonsense.

    Very poor format. Johnson not being tested.

    Ch 4 was much better
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Gove nudging in on Betfair.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Questioner thanks Jeremy and says Rory ignored his question
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    Wow, boot into Rory there...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    Boris thinks nurses earn £70k...

    Registered nurse anaesthetists have a median annual income of £73k so Boris was right for some nurses

    https://www.gapmedics.com/uk/blog/2014/03/13/highest-paying-nursing-specialties-top-ten/
    And how many of them are there?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624
    So will either of these get mentioned:

    1) What are you going to do about student debt ?

    2) What are you going to do when the next recession occurs ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    Boris says he boosted the living wage as Mayor and he will lift the threshold of NI for the low paid and to have a debate on thresholds for higher earners to get out nurses, heads of Maths departments, police inspectors out of higher threshold

    “Have a debate” is back tracking indeed
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited June 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Questioner thanks Jeremy and says Rory ignored his question

    He didn't though, he just said that now is not the time for tax cuts and he's right.

    I think the BBC have took the debate format and sucked all of the life out of it. Maitlis has been especially poor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    MikeL said:

    Rory may well do better in a debate between just the Final 2.

    He's too gentle / quiet to cut through in this format.

    What?? He's the only one cutting through with his incessant talking. Sheep farmers indeed.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jonathan said:

    Rory is not a Tory.

    Maybe he's a Whig.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    TGOHF said:

    Boris has a Trump length tie.

    Great spot - and terribly worrying.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    They haven’t thought this through. Quelle surprise !
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    Wow, boot into Rory there...

    Even though he did answer the question - just not with the answer that he wanted!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited June 2019
    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    As Scotland has not had a terrorist war for 30 years to need the backstop, as Scotland has no non UK neighbour and as it would allow a FTA which would prevent No Deal and the main excuse for indyref2
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rory bombing on tax here.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Stewart's the only one making sense there, minimum wage earners have been taken almost entirely out of income tax recently. Everyone wants tax cuts and more spending, which isn't possible.

    Everyone else is just chucking out random numbers of bribes, it's like twit numberwang.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Where Rory is going wrong here is preceding his comments by saying "of course, as a Conservative, I believe in lower taxes, but.."

    Instead, he appears to be attacking the entire prospect.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
    In fairness it could just be those stupid stalls are not comfortable for a tall person. At 6ft 3in I know how he feels. Couldn't the BBC find some decent chairs in all England? Sat up there looking like a shit boy band.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    RH1992 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Questioner thanks Jeremy and says Rory ignored his question

    He didn't though, he just said that now is not the time for tax cuts and he's right.

    I think the BBC have took the debate format and sucked all of the life out of it. Maitlis has been especially poor.
    Shoot the messenger. The product is piss poor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    IanB2 said:

    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
    He is not giving a referendum on the WA as a whole, only the method to avoid a hard border in Ireland
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
    Isn't it because the seating plan has him at 90 degrees to the screen with the public ?

    Whole thing is a shambles, and all of them are less impressive than they were beforehand. Which probably helps Boris.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    AndyJS said:

    Jonathan said:

    Rory is not a Tory.

    Maybe he's a Whig.
    Thirty years ago he would have been a "wet".
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    This is getting out of hand. Very poor and not helping anyone to beat Boris
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    AndyJS said:

    Jonathan said:

    Rory is not a Tory.

    Maybe he's a Whig.
    He's bald??
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Where Rory is going wrong here is preceding his comments by saying "of course, as a Conservative, I believe in lower taxes, but.."

    Instead, he appears to be attacking the entire prospect.

    He is not a Tory.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Rory drifting - just matched at 16.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    He doesn’t .
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    You wouldn't buy a used car off any of them.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    I didn't realise Tories believed in reckless use of public finances. Interesting.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Gove into 36 from 50s
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
    In fairness it could just be those stupid stalls are not comfortable for a tall person. At 6ft 3in I know how he feels. Couldn't the BBC find some decent chairs in all England? Sat up there looking like a shit boy band.
    It is ridiculous. What is the problem with lecturns?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Rubbish
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Once again I think Sajid Javid looks out of his depth. I'm sure he's very good at what he does, but he isn't leadership material.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
    He is not giving a referendum on the WA as a whole, only the method to avoid a hard border in Ireland
    Still not going to fly.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    Rory bombing on tax here.

    Rory is a fiscal conservative. The others sound like magic money tree Corbnyites !!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Hunt tightening - back in to 20.

    Debate is having impact on the market.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Poor young woman, although if I was told that I was about to meet Jeremy Hunt I'd probably try and take a similar way out.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Why the f*** is Rory sitting like that?

    Looks weird. Someone must have told him it looked strong.
    I've turned it on and Rory looks like a weirdo.

    There is NO way he would ever win a GE.

    FFS he's looking down weirdly while others are talking.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Unclear why Emily is adding her own questions on top of those from the public.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    JackW said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rory bombing on tax here.

    Rory is a fiscal conservative. The others sound like magic money tree Corbnyites !!
    Yep.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    RH1992 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Questioner thanks Jeremy and says Rory ignored his question

    He didn't though, he just said that now is not the time for tax cuts and he's right.

    He’s being honest. But voters want unicorns not honesty.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited June 2019
    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Hunt says he would give more money to LAs for care provision and to tackle mental health
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712
    If we've left Tina's question behind, Emily, it's your job to change that!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,712
    Crossover!

    Hunt now 2nd Fav ahead of Stewart!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,624

    Javid: "The country can afford to borrow more."

    Corbyn cheers, Osborne jeers. Or tears.

    Do you know how much Osborne borrowed ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    JackW said:

    TGOHF said:

    Rory bombing on tax here.

    Rory is a fiscal conservative. The others sound like magic money tree Corbnyites !!
    The Tory logo is their magic money tree and it’s getting a shake down tonight. Tax cuts and better services for all.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
    He is not giving a referendum on the WA as a whole, only the method to avoid a hard border in Ireland
    Where and when did you first conjour up this NI referendum nonsense
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
    Three months. Plenty of time for an election, referendum and renegotation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
    He is not giving a referendum on the WA as a whole, only the method to avoid a hard border in Ireland
    Still not going to fly.
    It will with GB Leavers as it enables a FTA and out of the SM and CU for GB and it will in NI as it avoids a hard border.

    Indeed most GB voters preferred solution to Brexit is a FTA

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/08/18/majority-people-think-freedom-movement-fair-price-
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Can someone not shut her microphone off???
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    You are getting way ahead of yourself and sounding a bit deranged
    In HY’s world the Tories have unity, purpose and mastery of Parliament. In the real world they’ve made us live through two years of never ending fiasco and failure and they just came fourth in a national election.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Here’s a question from Jeremy in a mosque in Birmingham.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Rubbish
    It can be done even if you have no will to do so, Boris does
  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    dodrade said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    How does he get away with a backstop referendum in NI without allowing indyref 2 in Scotland?
    More to the point with giving NI voters a say on the Brexit deal and not the rest of us.
    He is not giving a referendum on the WA as a whole, only the method to avoid a hard border in Ireland
    Where and when did you first conjour up this NI referendum nonsense
    Portaloo on this week
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    Do you ever think before you post. How can the legislation for a NI referendum pass tge HOC by the 31st October
    As a general election will be won by then too
    Crikey. You’re full of yourself this evening.

    You do realise that you’re taking an awful lot for granted here, including the electorate. They don’t like that.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Rubbish
    It can be done even if you have no will to do so, Boris does
    Believe in Britain! Believe harder!!
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Does Boris have a Muslim Great-Grandfather?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Rubbish
    It can be done even if you have no will to do so, Boris does
    Believe in Boris.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Fantasy.
    For diehard Remainer whingers of course as they are only interested in blocking Brexit by any means possible
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clear divisions emerging here, Boris and Saj both committing to leave on October 31st and to continue to prepare for No Deal even if aiming for a Deal and orderly Brexit.

    Gove and Hunt prepared to extend a little more to get a Deal but will leave with No Deal as a last resort.

    Rory says he would take No Deal off the table, Hunt says that means he would be willing to 'Stop Brexit'

    Maybe a different version being broadcast here but on my tv Boris did not commit to leave by October 31st, used virtually the same words as May did about March 31st.
    He did at the very beginning
    Boris Johnson is the first to answer the first question. He says: "We must come out on the 31 October, otherwise we face a catastrophic loss of confidence in politics.

    Exactly what May said about March, without actually saying he would definitely no deal on October 31. Listening to him he is not going to no deal, which is a relief.
    He will have held a referendum in NI on the backstop by then
    He'll have held a referendum by 31 October? Does that come before or after negotiations with the EU?
    It can be done in September if no renegotiation of the backstop by then
    Rubbish
    It can be done even if you have no will to do so, Boris does
    Believe in the bin.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Boris looking rather dodgy on this....
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    We'll be lucky to get 20% at the next GE with this crew
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    Rory is disappointing me and I actually think Boris is much the most assured

    Oh he's assured alright.
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