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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @Scott_P said:
    > > https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1131296341177577474
    >
    > Nigel Farage and the seven dwarves

    Peaking precisely when he means to? :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    The Labour vote best be holding up in London !
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    > @rottenborough said:
    > Leadsom.
    >
    > As I posted the other day.
    >
    > Dark Horse.
    >
    > There will be jealous Cabinet ministers tonight.

    She came across well on Women with Balls and seems a good egg, and in hindsight could she have done any worse than May over the past three years? Probably not.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited May 2019
    Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?

    I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.

    Here's the previous:

    1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
    32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    We're off !

    Early voting has begum in Latvia.
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Pulpstar said:

    Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.

    And she is a mother.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    > @isam said:

    a big up yours to the smelly students and their grown up fans



    In the first place this is terribly patronising. In the second, it's hopelessly outdated.: the sort of comment you'd have expected twenty years ago. In the third place it is a million miles from the 'always courteous' you proclaimed about yourself.



    I expect you'll try and laugh it off as just a throwaway remark, a jest, that I should lighten up etc.



    Deeply unpleasant.

    I’ll break the courteous rule just for you

    You bore me 😘
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    > @Mysticrose said:
    > Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?
    >
    > I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.
    >
    > Here's the previous:
    >
    > 1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
    > 32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%

    Brexit party has the oldies, high turnout probably suits remain better.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    Cyclefree said:

    Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
    1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
    2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
    3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
    4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.

    Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
    Do you really think that falling out of 700 agreements with nothing to replace them is something of small moment?

    But in any case, to understand exactly what the risks and costs are, let’s have the assessments published.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,429
    > @Mysticrose said:
    > Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?
    >
    > I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.
    >
    > Here's the previous:
    >
    > 1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
    > 32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%

    No EU election has had such publicity nor such a clear imperative to vote nor such a clear choice. I would see something approaching 50% as realistic.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446

    Probably not original but quite amusing nonetheless:

    https://twitter.com/craig4nwarks/status/1131275040706781189

    He avoided resigning by a whisker?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    edited May 2019
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1131298054857011200

    Labour won't either though will they ?

    Every Tory, DUP and ChangeUK* will be against. That's even before we get to them talking to the SNP or Lib Dems for potential support ?

    *Change nothing
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,368
    A curious thing from the Labour viewpoint. If May had proposed this 3 months ago, it would have been awkward for Labour. This is a serious referendum offer, and it's worded so that the Bill doesn't pass unless the House has actually rejected a referendum. Lots of Labour MPs and perhaps the leadership would have thought that an irresistible offer. But nobody is rushing out to say so as they think she's doomed.

    Timing is so critical in politics.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,796
    One thing that surprised me is I have seen precisely one Brexit Party sign around here in very pro-Leave North Dorset; ahead of the EU-Ref the place was plastered in UKIP and Leave signs.

    I have seen two Lib Dem signs, one Green sign and none for any other party.

    It probably means nothing but with TBP polling 38% I'd have expected a flush of TBP signs.
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    Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,618
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,429
    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
    > Probably not original but quite amusing nonetheless:
    >
    > https://twitter.com/craig4nwarks/status/1131275040706781189
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    >
    >
    > He avoided resigning by a whisker?

    He’s under the sofa and refusing to come out.
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    > @IanB2 said:
    > > @Mysticrose said:
    > > Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?
    > >
    > > I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.
    > >
    > > Here's the previous:
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    > > 1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
    > > 32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%
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    > No EU election has had such publicity nor such a clear imperative to vote nor such a clear choice. I would see something approaching 50% as realistic.

    I am looking forward to spoiling my ballot paper tomorrow.

    But I don't believe we will be anywhere near 50%. Many people can't quite understand why we are having elections for MEPs who aren't going to be in office by 1st November (assuming everything happens etc etc etc)

    Oxford is currently a sea of Orange - so I suspect turnout here will be higher than average for the rest of the UK. But the impression I get is that a lot of people just don't see the point in the exercise.
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    ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,507
    Just watched the news report of HMQ being shown how a self service checkout works. The look on her face was wonderful - it was either "I'm not an idiot, I do watch television you know" or "Can they not see how easy it would be to trick this?"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    @NickPalmer Labour have treated the entire Brexit process like a parlour game where the objective is to "Sink the Tories !" instead of dealing with anything substantive. It's starting to come unstuck.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited May 2019

    Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?



    I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.



    Here's the previous:



    1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014

    32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%

    Or in PB thread terms:

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/05/20/putting-thursday-into-context-a-look-back-at-previous-uk-euro-elections/

    image

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    > @Scott_P said:
    > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131298214760648705

    Talk about making a meal of it...
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited May 2019
    Leadsom is a little chilly, but still less so than May. She's also a little more intelligent than May. A little intelligence is a dangerous thing, however.

    Mordaunt would be a better leader than either of them, if you're a committed Brexiter.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @Mysticrose said:
    > > Kantar was based on 53% turnout? Seriously?
    > >
    > > I do think people are quite a bit more motivated but there are no local elections alongside.
    > >
    > > Here's the previous:
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    > > 1979 1984 1989 1994 1999 2004 2009 2014
    > > 32.35% 32.57% 36.37% 36.43% 24% 38.52% 34.7% 35.60%
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    > Brexit party has the oldies, high turnout probably suits remain better.

    True . Kantar is a wake up call for Remainers because of those definitely going to vote versus the probables . If they don’t vote the BP could easily top 40% .
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    Scott_P said:

    Worst case scenario we let the lorries in without filling in the right forms.

    Lorries full of illegal immigrants.

    Take Back Control of our Borders!!!!

    Oh, never mind...
    Yes. Some illegal immigrants might be the lucky recipients of No Deal chaos. Meh.
    Let’s hope none of them are terrorists, eh!
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    ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2019
    > @Benpointer said:
    > One thing that surprised me is I have seen precisely one Brexit Party sign around here in very pro-Leave North Dorset; ahead of the EU-Ref the place was plastered in UKIP and Leave signs.
    >
    > I have seen two Lib Dem signs, one Green sign and none for any other party.
    >
    > It probably means nothing but with TBP polling 38% I'd have expected a flush of TBP signs.

    TBP may not be something people want to admit voting for. If they get momentum and win by-elections then people may become less shy.

    We don't put a Conservative poster in the window because we are worried we'd get a brick thrown at it.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited May 2019

    > @Benpointer said:

    > One thing that surprised me is I have seen precisely one Brexit Party sign around here in very pro-Leave North Dorset; ahead of the EU-Ref the place was plastered in UKIP and Leave signs.

    >

    > I have seen two Lib Dem signs, one Green sign and none for any other party.

    >

    > It probably means nothing but with TBP polling 38% I'd have expected a flush of TBP signs.



    TBP may not be something people want to admit voting for. If they get momentum and win by-elections then people may become less shy.



    We don't put a Conservative poster in the window because we are worried we'd get a brick thrown at it.

    I’ve not seen any Brexit party posters round here (Havering) and would back them at big odds on to win most votes in this area
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    There were a couple of Labour posters up here for the locals (One the winners house !), not seen anything for the euros.
    Brexit party will defo get most votes here for the Euros.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    NEW THREAD
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    ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    > @ExiledInScotland said:
    > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > > https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/1131283255179776001
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    > Is the PM now sitting on the floor in the corner of the room, gibbering and drooling? What. The. Actual. Heck. Is. She. Thinking?

    The floor is the only strong and stable thing left
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    > @isam said:
    > > @Benpointer said:
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    > > One thing that surprised me is I have seen precisely one Brexit Party sign around here in very pro-Leave North Dorset; ahead of the EU-Ref the place was plastered in UKIP and Leave signs.
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    > >
    >
    > > I have seen two Lib Dem signs, one Green sign and none for any other party.
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    > >
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    > > It probably means nothing but with TBP polling 38% I'd have expected a flush of TBP signs.
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    >
    >
    > TBP may not be something people want to admit voting for. If they get momentum and win by-elections then people may become less shy.
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    >
    >
    > We don't put a Conservative poster in the window because we are worried we'd get a brick thrown at it.
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    > I’ve not seen any Brexit party posters round here (Havering) and would back them at big odds on to win most votes

    I have seen Brexit party posters. I deduced that somebody not very experienced politically had put them up as they were easily removable! I must add that I would not do that as I think it is wrong and I would not want to run the risk of being prosecuted.


    The interesting thing about the livery of the Brexit party is its a rip off of the Tories. How did they get that past the electoral commission? I seem to remember Change UK had problems with their livery or icon...
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,853
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > Leadsom is a little chilly, but still less so than May. She's also a little more intelligent than May. A little intelligence is a dangerous thing, however.
    >
    > Mordaunt would be a better leader than either of them, if you're a committed Brexiter.

    Gut feeling - McVey.

    As gut feelings go, it's about as welcome as gastro enteritis.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713
    > @Scott_P said:
    > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131298214760648705

    I didn't realise that Erwin Schrödinger was now chair of the 1922 committee.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446

    NEW THREAD

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    ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    FINAL ELECTION CONTACT SCORE
    Green 2 leaflets
    Brexit Nigel Party 1 leaflet
    Change UK 1 leaflet
    Labour 1 leaflet
    Ukip 1 leaflet
    Socialist Party 1 leaflet
    SNP 1 SMS

    Plus a few emails I can't be bothered to detail.
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    ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    > @ah009 said:
    > FINAL ELECTION CONTACT SCORE
    > Green 2 leaflets
    > Brexit Nigel Party 1 leaflet
    > Change UK 1 leaflet
    > Labour 1 leaflet
    > Ukip 1 leaflet
    > Socialist Party 1 leaflet
    > SNP 1 SMS
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    > Plus a few emails I can't be bothered to detail.

    The Socialist one was fun. On one side "THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD". On the other side, "The way out". Ummm
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    ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    Oh jesus fucking christ.
    The UKIP one literally has the words "AXE LADY HAW HAW" on it. Fuck me, Ukip are the WORST.
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    Leadsom next PM in from 25/1 to 18/1 since she resigned. I'm on at 25s, but I'm thinking of it as a trading bet.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > I'm not concerned by either shortage. It would be us stopping those things coming in. Worst case scenario we let the lorries in without filling in the right forms.

    As a former exporter from the UK, not having documentation on all your imports is actually a BFD, because of the need to fill in tortuous Rules of Origin paperwork when you export things.

    It would, of course, all get sorted in time. But I do believe it would be a painful six to nine months. And for people who lose their jobs and houses, well, they won't easily forget.
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