> @Mauve said: > Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in.
I am not sure that the trick of not campaigning at all should be repeated (unless May hangs on of course).
Also aren't the Heads of Compliance/ Legal & Regulatory Affairs in Financial Services thick as mince?
A city worker who fell off a spiked security gate while trying to get into his £1 million mews home is suing for more than £100,000 in compensation.
Carlos Reguero Perez, 49, says he was “carrying his evening meal” as he returned to the rented Hampstead flat at 10.30pm to discover the newly-installed gate, and fell heavily onto concrete after trying to climb over it.
He blames lettings agent Savills for his injuries, including a fractured spine and brain damage, and is seeking six-figure damages from the firm.
Mr Perez, who is head of compliance for Santander in London according to his online profile, says he was taken by surprise that the security measure had “gone live”, and claims the agents failed to give him an access code or fob to open the gates.
Savills (UK) Ltd denies being to blame for his injuries, saying he “acted in reckless disregard for his own safety by climbing the gate”. Central London county court heard Mr Perez returned home at 10.30pm on February 4, 2015 to find he was locked out, and got no answer from buzzing neighbours.
He decided “in the agony of the moment” that he had no choice but to scale the gates, according to papers lodged with the court by his lawyers, but lost his footing. He says a “moderate traumatic brain injury” has left his eyes very sensitive to light which means he has to wear sunglasses, and he suffers from ongoing psychological effects.
> @Mauve said: > Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in.
But Labour is not without problems on its manifesto offer to voters either.
If Gove had resigned and said he wouldn't return to government until May quit, that would be an unanswerable reason for voting Toy for 40 years to keep her in place.
Johnson and the rest of the Leave politicians were happy to carp from the sidelines and avoid making any hard decisions .
A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast .
Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal .
> Frankly, we need a GE. To have another PM foisted on us then foisting a policy on us to suit internal Tory party politics without consulting us is a disgrace.
It still needs parliamentary approval
INdeed. I have to disagree with cyclefree on this one. If something were to pass it would not be a disgrace, it is how our system works that you don't have to go back to the people if parliament can agree. What it would be is very silly.
It doesn’t need to pass as it’s the legal default.
It's a disgrace because how can a long-term consensus be built on this basis.
> @ydoethur said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131282389366386688 > > > > > > Ah but its now 8.37 > > If Gove had resigned and said he wouldn't return to government until May quit, that would be an unanswerable reason for voting Toy for 40 years to keep her in place.
My goodness you teachers know how to bear a grudge.
Before we joined the EU, things were thrown at politicians all the time. It`s just since we joined that everybody has gone a bit soft. Mr Farage is quite right to lead us back to our old traditions, even though he is the first to suffer.
The correlation between those calling others stupid and those whose own posts have never really sparkled with valuable insight is strong in this thread.
Hey, I have at least 5 really insightful posts out of 43k, thank you very much, I call that a good ratio.
> > Get my political epitaph in early. Theresa May was an incompetent prime minister. It probably made no difference to the Brexit outcome as any likely alternative Conservative leader would have hit the same issues and there just wasn't a big enough Conservative majority in the House of Commons to steam roller it through. Theresa May worked her guts out for Brexit, but the project was doomed from the start. It's now about how we deal with the failure.
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> > May had a decent majority, then fucked it in an extended moment of hubris.
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> But not a big enough majority to get Brexit through, it seems. Problem is, the only workable form of Brexit is where we do what the EU tells us and get less. So why do we leave? No-one has worked that one out.
But both the Remainers and the ERG would have been robbed of the cover of the DUP blocking the deal. Failing to deliver Brexit would have solely been a Tory problem.
I think May's Withdrawal Agreement would have passed with her original majority. As yo say a whole pile of Con MPs would have had no DUP to hide behind.
> @nico67 said: > Johnson and the rest of the Leave politicians were happy to carp from the sidelines and avoid making any hard decisions . > > A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast . > > Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal . > >
The problem is the deal was negotiated by a remainer who refused to listen to her own cabinet ,We could have had Canada plus which was offered by the EU. She has screwed up things royally
> @Cyclefree said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > Frankly, we need a GE. To have another PM foisted on us then foisting a policy on us to suit internal Tory party politics without consulting us is a disgrace. > > > > It still needs parliamentary approval > > INdeed. I have to disagree with cyclefree on this one. If something were to pass it would not be a disgrace, it is how our system works that you don't have to go back to the people if parliament can agree. What it would be is very silly. > > It doesn’t need to pass as it’s the legal default. > > It's a disgrace because how can a long-term consensus be built on this basis.
That's a complaint about the outcome, you appeared to suggest the process itself is a disgrace, whenI would call it politics. Bad politics, but not a disgrace.
> When Farage and TBP wins overnight on Sunday, do we see the creation of a TBP parliamentary group with defections from the ERG and their fellow travellers or do they stay in the hope of getting someone they like from within the Tory Party into the top job?
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> If Tory MPs defect to TBP, the Tories lose their majority. Corbyn rubs his hands with glee.
But he also can't form a stable coalition. There aren't the votes for him to win a vote of confidence. So we head to an election
Exactly what he wants. Job done as far as Labour is concerned.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @Mauve said: > > Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in. > > But Labour is not without problems on its manifesto offer to voters either.
Indeed they aren't, and the fear of Corbyn will keep some Conservative MPs safe. A new Labour leader would at least have some room to change policy, a second referendum and a promise to address the problems in the northern Leave areas might go a long way to stopping a split.
The chance of Corbyn going is probably very low though.
> If Gove had resigned and said he wouldn't return to government until May quit, that would be an unanswerable reason for voting Toy for 40 years to keep her in place.
My goodness you teachers know how to bear a grudge.
I spent the whole of this afternoon when I could have been doing something useful trying to disentangle yet another epic exam fuckup caused by his botched exam reform, which stemmed from the fact he and Cummings were convinced they were omniscient geniuses when in reality they were tenth rate dogmatists.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > One for @Cyclefree. > > Also aren't the Heads of Compliance/ Legal & Regulatory Affairs in Financial Services thick as mince? > > A city worker who fell off a spiked security gate while trying to get into his £1 million mews home is suing for more than £100,000 in compensation. > > Carlos Reguero Perez, 49, says he was “carrying his evening meal” as he returned to the rented Hampstead flat at 10.30pm to discover the newly-installed gate, and fell heavily onto concrete after trying to climb over it. > > He blames lettings agent Savills for his injuries, including a fractured spine and brain damage, and is seeking six-figure damages from the firm. > > Mr Perez, who is head of compliance for Santander in London according to his online profile, says he was taken by surprise that the security measure had “gone live”, and claims the agents failed to give him an access code or fob to open the gates. > > Savills (UK) Ltd denies being to blame for his injuries, saying he “acted in reckless disregard for his own safety by climbing the gate”. Central London county court heard Mr Perez returned home at 10.30pm on February 4, 2015 to find he was locked out, and got no answer from buzzing neighbours. > > He decided “in the agony of the moment” that he had no choice but to scale the gates, according to papers lodged with the court by his lawyers, but lost his footing. He says a “moderate traumatic brain injury” has left his eyes very sensitive to light which means he has to wear sunglasses, and he suffers from ongoing psychological effects. > > https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/city-worker-sues-letting-agent-after-injuring-himself-climbing-new-gate-at-1m-home-a4148671.html
Our Patrician says; Carlos Reguero Perez needs to be detained for his own safety on an indefinite basis. For reasons of public mental health safety no visitors should be allowed.
The correlation between those calling others stupid and those whose own posts have never really sparkled with valuable insight is strong in this thread.
Some of the rickets made by those who repeatedly call others stupid are too embarrassing to mention
May steered away from No Deal to stop her government collapsing. The new leader will presumably keep Rudd etc out of cabinet. But they will still have power on the back benches. At any whiff of No Deal and I presume they'll support a VoNC. But then what? Parliament will have trapped itself again - heading into a general election but without a majority in the Commons to revoke A50. The prospect of a general election campaign coinciding with a NoDeal exit is scarcely believable but not impossible. I suppose even in the face of Macron's opposition, he and rest of the EU leaderd would see no choice but to grant a further extension.
In fairness, most of the Tory Right still say they want a deal and believe that they can get the acceptable backstopless deal out of the EU that May couldn't. But where will they get the time from to even try to renegotiate? It's hard to see an extension in that case. So we end up in the situation I outlined above.
Or she got stitched up by a journo from an establishment paper and we ended up with May and the chaos we are in now. While I sympathise with May and her husband is there not some case to be made that people with kids and grandkids so have a real stake in the future might make different choices. If Merkel had had kids including daughters might her reckless decision to let in a million unvetted (almost entirely) young male migrants have been different? Would women, kids and the elderly - who really are most at risk in war zones and most deserving of help - have been at the front of the queue instead?
> @kjohnw said: > > @nico67 said: > > Johnson and the rest of the Leave politicians were happy to carp from the sidelines and avoid making any hard decisions . > > > > A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast . > > > > Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal . > > > > > > The problem is the deal was negotiated by a remainer who refused to listen to her own cabinet ,We could have had Canada plus which was offered by the EU. She has screwed up things royally
> Frankly, we need a GE. To have another PM foisted on us then foisting a policy on us to suit internal Tory party politics without consulting us is a disgrace.
It is inevitable. There is no clear majority for anything inside the Tory party, let alone Parliament. Whoever wins the Iron throne will be no more capable of getting their business past this House than May is. The Tory party is completely ungovernable at present and therefore unfit to govern.
I believe there’s a disconsolate dragon somewhere pining for a target.
Sorry if a comment downthread came off as anti-London. Our office noted the lack of bailout (Yes I know it is more complicated with the vampirous Greybull in charge) for Scunthorpe compared to the banks today though. I think the contrast is rankling all across the north and Midlands today - can't see it helping the Tories at all up here come Thursday.
I'm not sure Matt is human. He always gets it bang on.
Every time.
If Farage wins by 15% or so tmrw he should get his lackeys to throw milk shakes at him, or do it himself as a big up yours to the smelly students and their grown up fans
Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
> > Get my political epitaph in early. Theresa May was an incompetent prime minister. It probably made no difference to the Brexit outcome as any likely alternative Conservative leader would have hit the same issues and there just wasn't a big enough Conservative majority in the House of Commons to steam roller it through. Theresa May worked her guts out for Brexit, but the project was doomed from the start. It's now about how we deal with the failure.
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> But not a big enough majority to get Brexit through, it seems. Problem is, the only workable form of Brexit is where we do what the EU tells us and get less. So why do we leave? No-one has worked that one out.
But both the Remainers and the ERG would have been robbed of the cover of the DUP blocking the deal. Failing to deliver Brexit would have solely been a Tory problem.
I think May's Withdrawal Agreement would have passed with her original majority. As yo say a whole pile of Con MPs would have had no DUP to hide behind.
The first vote on the Withdrawal Agreement was lost by 432 votes to 202.
Or she got stitched up by a journo from an establishment paper and we ended up with May and the chaos we are in now. While I sympathise with May and her husband is there not some case to be made that people with kids and grandkids so have a real stake in the future might make different choices. If Merkel had had kids including daughters might her reckless decision to let in a million unvetted (almost entirely) young male migrants have been different? Would women, kids and the elderly - who really are most at risk in war zones and most deserving of help - have been at the front of the queue instead?
Cameron had a lovely family, and my God did we all know about it. It was a silly and insensitive thing to say, but hardly an unprecedented card to play.
I'm not sure Matt is human. He always gets it bang on.
Every time.
If Farage wins by 15% or so tmrw he should get his lackeys to throw milk shakes at him, or do it himself as a big up yours to the smelly students and their grown up fans
> @ydoethur said: > I spent the whole of this afternoon when I could have been doing something useful trying to disentangle yet another epic exam fuckup caused by his botched exam reform, which stemmed from the fact he and Cummings were convinced they were omniscient geniuses when in reality they were tenth rate dogmatists. > > He is unfit to hold public office.
Teachers have my sympathy. I'm married to one. The paperwork, hours and stress are horrendous - my wife is only just back to normal by then end of the summer holidays.
The teachers I remember from my schooldays had a better life. They kept discipline, would turn a blind eye to sixth form having a pint in the pub on a Friday lunchtime so long as you bought them one, and had one sentence reports down to a fine art at the end of term. Mind you we did have to watch out for the PE teacher who wanted to make sure we all washed our bits thoroughly in the showers after sport. My kids jaws dropped when I told them that one.
> > Get my political epitaph in early. Theresa May was an incompetent prime minister. It probably made no difference to the Brexit outcome as any likely alternative Conservative leader would have hit the same issues and there just wasn't a big enough Conservative majority in the House of Commons to steam roller it through. Theresa May worked her guts out for Brexit, but the project was doomed from the start. It's now about how we deal with the failure.
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> > May had a decent majority, then fucked it in an extended moment of hubris.
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> But not a big enough majority to get Brexit through, it seems. Problem is, the only workable form of Brexit is where we do what the EU tells us and get less. So why do we leave? No-one has worked that one out.
But both the Remainers and the ERG would have been robbed of the cover of the DUP blocking the deal. Failing to deliver Brexit would have solely been a Tory problem.
I think May's Withdrawal Agreement would have passed with her original majority. As yo say a whole pile of Con MPs would have had no DUP to hide behind.
The first vote on the Withdrawal Agreement was lost by 432 votes to 202.
The Remain rebellion would also have been far stronger without GE2017 intervening. She had an absurdly slight majority and a General Election was the right move. Just not that particular version...
Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Lack of timely medication could end, never mind ruin, somebody's life.
> @Luckyguy1983 said: > Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- > 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; > 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn > 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and > 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full. > > Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Possible in the sense that it's not ruled out by any of the fundamental laws of physics. But you only have to upgrade your comedy suggestion of Mars bar ingredient shortages to car part shortages, to see that it's hard to imagine how large industrial enterprises would not grind to a halt with temporary, then permanent, job losses.
Actually you don't even have to do the upgrade. Loss of a job making Mars bars is loss of a job.
Or she got stitched up by a journo from an establishment paper and we ended up with May and the chaos we are in now. While I sympathise with May and her husband is there not some case to be made that people with kids and grandkids so have a real stake in the future might make different choices. If Merkel had had kids including daughters might her reckless decision to let in a million unvetted (almost entirely) young male migrants have been different? Would women, kids and the elderly - who really are most at risk in war zones and most deserving of help - have been at the front of the queue instead?
The UK has become a laughing stock . It’s tragic .
I ask once again, so what? I don't know why people get so concerned with being laughed at. We all have difficult politics sometimes, particularly when a nation is very divided. It will provoke concern, regret and yes, amusement among others. But you get through it, or not, and deal with the new situation afterwards, as indeed they will in return, and then we will laugh at them when they have a crisis. It's not irrelevant to note our crisis provokes amusement, but people get so worked up about it, acting like that alone means we should not do something, or indeed must do something. Sometimes nations might get laughed at for things which are perfectly right for them, even if no one else agrees. The logic of those wetting themselves because we are getting laughed at in a low moment is that we should only do that which others agree with.
I think you underestimate the extent to which reputation matters. It takes 20 years to build a good reputation, 2 minutes to ruin it.
We are risking our reputation for sensible pragmatic politics, common-sense, a refusal to indulge ideology, for stability. These things matter - to people here and to those abroad. It is less the fact that the nation is divided and more the way we are dealing with the issue which is harming our reputation.
Or she got stitched up by a journo from an establishment paper and we ended up with May and the chaos we are in now. While I sympathise with May and her husband is there not some case to be made that people with kids and grandkids so have a real stake in the future might make different choices. If Merkel had had kids including daughters might her reckless decision to let in a million unvetted (almost entirely) young male migrants have been different? Would women, kids and the elderly - who really are most at risk in war zones and most deserving of help - have been at the front of the queue instead?
The audio of the interview is available. There was no stitch up at all.
> > Get my political epitaph in early. Theresa May was an incompetent prime minister. It probably made no difference to the Brexit outcome as any likely alternative Conservative leader would have hit the same issues and there just wasn't a big enough Conservative majority in the House of Commons to steam roller it through. Theresa May worked her guts out for Brexit, but the project was doomed from the start. It's now about how we deal with the failure.
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> > May had a decent majority, then fucked it in an extended moment of hubris.
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> But not a big enough majority to get Brexit through, it seems. Problem is, the only workable form of Brexit is where we do what the EU tells us and get less. So why do we leave? No-one has worked that one out.
But both the Remainers and the ERG would have been robbed of the cover of the DUP blocking the deal. Failing to deliver Brexit would have solely been a Tory problem.
I think May's Withdrawal Agreement would have passed with her original majority. As yo say a whole pile of Con MPs would have had no DUP to hide behind.
The first vote on the Withdrawal Agreement was lost by 432 votes to 202.
Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Lack of timely medication could end, never mind ruin, somebody's life.
The NHS kills people every day in all sorts of ways, but I'm pretty sure they can get what they need. Of course the remain media would be literally scouring the morgues for a Brexit connection...
> @Luckyguy1983 said: > Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- > 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; > 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn > 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and > 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full. > > Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
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Yes and no. Ultimately Brexit won't be a success because we will be forced into a situation where we do what the EU tells us and where we get less than before. Very few people will think that's an improvement. But we will be out of the EU. If you measure success simply by whether you are out of the institution, it will be a success. This question has fascinated me since the referendum. Do Leavers really care about the exercise of sovereignty or only about the symbols? To a greater extent than I expected, they seem to care about the exercise. Which, fundamentally, is why we haven't left yet.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
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> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Possible in the sense that it's not ruled out by any of the fundamental laws of physics. But you only have to upgrade your comedy suggestion of Mars bar ingredient shortages to car part shortages, to see that it's hard to imagine how large industrial enterprises would not grind to a halt with temporary, then permanent, job losses.
Actually you don't even have to do the upgrade. Loss of a job making Mars bars is loss of a job.
I'm not concerned by either shortage. It would be us stopping those things coming in. Worst case scenario we let the lorries in without filling in the right forms.
> @Luckyguy1983 said: > Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- > 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; > 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn > 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and > 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full. > > Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
I note you still cling to the theory that nothing bad will happen! I normally find there is no point in replying to comment like yours as Brexit has warped Brexiteers thinking.
You have obviously never encountered personal hardship given your demeaner on hardship. People like you take the view that it won't affect yourself or only will in some trivial way. Think about it though, you might unfortunately experience some life changing illness which means you have to have medication that is manufactured in Germany and Brexit disrupts the supply or medical experts can no longer practice in the UK for some reason related to Brexit. It might mean life or death or permeant damage to your organs or brain function for example.
You don't seem to empathise with those of us exposed by Brexit to deprivation of medication or care.
You may be a "Luckyguy" but past performance is not guaranteed for future success in life, you show a distinct lack of understanding or empathy in your advocacy of No Deal Brexit. The fact peoples lives and jobs will be turned upside down by Brexit does not seem to factor in your judgements...
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
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> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Possible in the sense that it's not ruled out by any of the fundamental laws of physics. But you only have to upgrade your comedy suggestion of Mars bar ingredient shortages to car part shortages, to see that it's hard to imagine how large industrial enterprises would not grind to a halt with temporary, then permanent, job losses.
Actually you don't even have to do the upgrade. Loss of a job making Mars bars is loss of a job.
I'm not concerned by either shortage. It would be us stopping those things coming in. Worst case scenario we let the lorries in without filling in the right forms.
The world is just ever so slightly more complicated than you think out is.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
>
> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
I note you still cling to the theory that nothing bad will happen! I normally find there is no point in replying to comment like yours as Brexit has warped Brexiteers thinking.
You have obviously never encountered personal hardship given your demeaner on hardship. People like you take the view that it won't affect yourself or only will in some trivial way. Think about it though, you might unfortunately experience some life changing illness which means you have to have medication that is manufactured in Germany and Brexit disrupts the supply or medical experts can no longer practice in the UK for some reason related to Brexit. It might mean life or death or permeant damage to your organs or brain function for example.
You don't seem to empathise with those of us exposed by Brexit to deprivation of medication or care.
You may be a "Luckyguy" but past performance is not guaranteed for future success in life, you show a distinct lack of understanding or empathy in your advocacy of No Deal Brexit. The fact peoples lives and jobs will be turned upside down by Brexit does not seem to factor in your judgements...
I'm not unsympathetic at all, and I don't want no deal Brexit, but I just don't believe the hype. If we want something from Germany, buy it from Germany. Like I say, it will be us keeping it out, or not.
Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:- 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit; 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Lack of timely medication could end, never mind ruin, somebody's life.
The NHS kills people every day in all sorts of ways, but I'm pretty sure they can get what they need. Of course the remain media would be literally scouring the morgues for a Brexit connection...
Oh well, so long as you are sure the NHS can get what they need, that's fine. I feel much better about the prospect now.
You really do come across as an arrogant obnoxious twat, just saying.
Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems!
It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet?
I've voted Conservative in the Euros.
If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future.
I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal.
If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party.
Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
>
> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Possible in the sense that it's not ruled out by any of the fundamental laws of physics. But you only have to upgrade your comedy suggestion of Mars bar ingredient shortages to car part shortages, to see that it's hard to imagine how large industrial enterprises would not grind to a halt with temporary, then permanent, job losses.
Actually you don't even have to do the upgrade. Loss of a job making Mars bars is loss of a job.
I'm not concerned by either shortage. It would be us stopping those things coming in. Worst case scenario we let the lorries in without filling in the right forms.
The world is just ever so slightly more complicated than you think out is.
> @Pro_Rata said: > What level of reporting restriction is tomorrow's election under? > > A full day of smiley faced turnout is brisk' would be utterly incongruous - so, not unlike everything else that is going on.
We know from the locals that any PB anecdota about polling stations being either deserted or swamped together with any reported conversations with staff about turnout or swift scans of crossings out can be entirely ignored as containing no useful or representative information.
Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems!
It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet?
I've voted Conservative in the Euros.
If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future.
I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal.
If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party.
Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
> @isam said: a big up yours to the smelly students and their grown up fans
In the first place this is terribly patronising. In the second, it's hopelessly outdated.: the sort of comment you'd have expected twenty years ago. In the third place it is a million miles from the 'always courteous' you proclaimed about yourself.
I expect you'll try and laugh it off as just a throwaway remark, a jest, that I should lighten up etc.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Any more resignations due tonight? 😊 > > Sunil on Sunday exclusive: > > Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems! > > > It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet? > > I've voted Conservative in the Euros. > > If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future. > > I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal. > > If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party. > > Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
> @IanB2 said: > > @Pro_Rata said: > > What level of reporting restriction is tomorrow's election under? > > > > A full day of smiley faced turnout is brisk' would be utterly incongruous - so, not unlike everything else that is going on. > > We know from the locals that any PB anecdota about polling stations being either deserted or swamped together with any reported conversations with staff about turnout or swift scans of crossings out can be entirely ignored as containing no useful or representative information.
Yeah, I know the score on that.
More, if May resigned tomorrow, and the 1922 committee decided to hold the new leadership election by means of a game of British.bulldog, would we get to hear of it before 10pm?
In contrast to the likes of Steven Swinford 'hearing suggestions' (!) I don't mind wagering that Theresa May doesn't intend to resign today or tomorrow. Then we're in to the mini recess and, erm, Trump's visit.
I wouldn't be surprised if she's still in No.10 w/c June 03rd.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Any more resignations due tonight? 😊 > > Sunil on Sunday exclusive: > > Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems! > > > It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet? > > I've voted Conservative in the Euros. > > If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future. > > I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal. > > If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party. > > Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
I'll send you a membership form and sub your fees if you join the Labour Party
Amusing how badly Labour are polling against the absolute shambles of the Tories. They could lose the double heartlands of both London and the North East tommorow as people decide they're neither fish nor fowl.
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> Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in.
I am not sure that the trick of not campaigning at all should be repeated (unless May hangs on of course).
> Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in.
But Labour is not without problems on its manifesto offer to voters either.
> Any of the Brains Trust here back Leadsom as next out the Cabinet?
I've been laying Theresa May as next to go each time.
A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast .
Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal .
> https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/1131283255179776001
Right from 9th June 2017 it was always going to end badly... But did anyone think it would end this badly?
He then tried to sue us, for falling out of his own van...
He did not win his case.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1131272001937711106?s=20
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> Andrea Leadsom - the compassionate, caring face of the Conservative Party.
Bercow proved right once again.....
It's a disgrace because how can a long-term consensus be built on this basis.
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > Macron says Britain MUST leave the EU on Halloween as the French President pledges to block any more delays to Brexit
> >
> > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7058647/Macron-says-Britain-leave-EU-without-deal-Halloween.html
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> It is a cruel irony that Macron may be the only person who can now deliver Brexit.
You have to factor in it was before the EU elections and he was playing to his home audience.
Who is with me?
Anyone? Oh.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> > https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131282389366386688
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> Ah but its now 8.37
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> If Gove had resigned and said he wouldn't return to government until May quit, that would be an unanswerable reason for voting Toy for 40 years to keep her in place.
My goodness you teachers know how to bear a grudge.
> Nigel Farage has been forced to seek refuge on his campaign bus after being stalked by people carrying milkshakes in Kent, according to reports.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/22/nigel-farage-shelters-on-campaign-bus-to-avoid-milkshake-attack
> Again, this is totally unacceptable.
Before we joined the EU, things were thrown at politicians all the time. It`s just since we joined that everybody has gone a bit soft. Mr Farage is quite right to lead us back to our old traditions, even though he is the first to suffer.
> https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/1131283255179776001
Is the PM now sitting on the floor in the corner of the room, gibbering and drooling? What. The. Actual. Heck. Is. She. Thinking?
> Johnson and the rest of the Leave politicians were happy to carp from the sidelines and avoid making any hard decisions .
>
> A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast .
>
> Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal .
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>
The problem is the deal was negotiated by a remainer who refused to listen to her own cabinet ,We could have had Canada plus which was offered by the EU. She has screwed up things royally
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/1131283255179776001
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> Is the PM now sitting on the floor in the corner of the room, gibbering and drooling? What. The. Actual. Heck. Is. She. Thinking?
I don't see how he could possibly have gotten that information, I am very skeptical it would be true.
> That, right there is the entitlted Londerati. Off he can fuck.
>
> £1m Hampstead home? It must have been the garage.
Haha yes, "mews" is estate agent language to describe a tiny terrace these days I think.
> > @Cyclefree said:
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> > Frankly, we need a GE. To have another PM foisted on us then foisting a policy on us to suit internal Tory party politics without consulting us is a disgrace.
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> It still needs parliamentary approval
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> INdeed. I have to disagree with cyclefree on this one. If something were to pass it would not be a disgrace, it is how our system works that you don't have to go back to the people if parliament can agree. What it would be is very silly.
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> It doesn’t need to pass as it’s the legal default.
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> It's a disgrace because how can a long-term consensus be built on this basis.
That's a complaint about the outcome, you appeared to suggest the process itself is a disgrace, whenI would call it politics. Bad politics, but not a disgrace.
> > @Mauve said:
> > Even if there is a General Election what policy do the Conservatives stand on? If they go full on No Deal then a not insignificant number of MPs and voters will defect to LD / CUK letting Corbyn in. If they go for a moderate Brexit then the ERG and Farage will stand against them and split the vote, again letting Corbyn in.
>
> But Labour is not without problems on its manifesto offer to voters either.
Indeed they aren't, and the fear of Corbyn will keep some Conservative MPs safe. A new Labour leader would at least have some room to change policy, a second referendum and a promise to address the problems in the northern Leave areas might go a long way to stopping a split.
The chance of Corbyn going is probably very low though.
He is unfit to hold public office.
> One for @Cyclefree.
>
> Also aren't the Heads of Compliance/ Legal & Regulatory Affairs in Financial Services thick as mince?
>
> A city worker who fell off a spiked security gate while trying to get into his £1 million mews home is suing for more than £100,000 in compensation.
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> Carlos Reguero Perez, 49, says he was “carrying his evening meal” as he returned to the rented Hampstead flat at 10.30pm to discover the newly-installed gate, and fell heavily onto concrete after trying to climb over it.
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> He blames lettings agent Savills for his injuries, including a fractured spine and brain damage, and is seeking six-figure damages from the firm.
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> Mr Perez, who is head of compliance for Santander in London according to his online profile, says he was taken by surprise that the security measure had “gone live”, and claims the agents failed to give him an access code or fob to open the gates.
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> Savills (UK) Ltd denies being to blame for his injuries, saying he “acted in reckless disregard for his own safety by climbing the gate”. Central London county court heard Mr Perez returned home at 10.30pm on February 4, 2015 to find he was locked out, and got no answer from buzzing neighbours.
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> He decided “in the agony of the moment” that he had no choice but to scale the gates, according to papers lodged with the court by his lawyers, but lost his footing. He says a “moderate traumatic brain injury” has left his eyes very sensitive to light which means he has to wear sunglasses, and he suffers from ongoing psychological effects.
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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/city-worker-sues-letting-agent-after-injuring-himself-climbing-new-gate-at-1m-home-a4148671.html
Our Patrician says;
Carlos Reguero Perez needs to be detained for his own safety on an indefinite basis. For reasons of public mental health safety no visitors should be allowed.
Nigel will surely deliver!
In fairness, most of the Tory Right still say they want a deal and believe that they can get the acceptable backstopless deal out of the EU that May couldn't. But where will they get the time from to even try to renegotiate? It's hard to see an extension in that case. So we end up in the situation I outlined above.
> https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1131284043927101445
Or she got stitched up by a journo from an establishment paper and we ended up with May and the chaos we are in now. While I sympathise with May and her husband is there not some case to be made that people with kids and grandkids so have a real stake in the future might make different choices. If Merkel had had kids including daughters might her reckless decision to let in a million unvetted (almost entirely) young male migrants have been different? Would women, kids and the elderly - who really are most at risk in war zones and most deserving of help - have been at the front of the queue instead?
> ...
I'm not sure Matt is human. He always gets it bang on.
Every time.
> > @nico67 said:
> > Johnson and the rest of the Leave politicians were happy to carp from the sidelines and avoid making any hard decisions .
> >
> > A new PM will have to face the reality . They’d much rather the public owned no deal, any government pushing forward with a no deal policy will be toast .
> >
> > Whatever Leavers say now , Vote Leave promised a deal , there is no mandate for no deal .
> >
> >
>
> The problem is the deal was negotiated by a remainer who refused to listen to her own cabinet ,We could have had Canada plus which was offered by the EU. She has screwed up things royally
This.
Our office noted the lack of bailout (Yes I know it is more complicated with the vampirous Greybull in charge) for Scunthorpe compared to the banks today though.
I think the contrast is rankling all across the north and Midlands today - can't see it helping the Tories at all up here come Thursday.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1131286760636452864
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1131287830322450439
> I spent the whole of this afternoon when I could have been doing something useful trying to disentangle yet another epic exam fuckup caused by his botched exam reform, which stemmed from the fact he and Cummings were convinced they were omniscient geniuses when in reality they were tenth rate dogmatists.
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> He is unfit to hold public office.
Teachers have my sympathy. I'm married to one. The paperwork, hours and stress are horrendous - my wife is only just back to normal by then end of the summer holidays.
The teachers I remember from my schooldays had a better life. They kept discipline, would turn a blind eye to sixth form having a pint in the pub on a Friday lunchtime so long as you bought them one, and had one sentence reports down to a fine art at the end of term. Mind you we did have to watch out for the PE teacher who wanted to make sure we all washed our bits thoroughly in the showers after sport. My kids jaws dropped when I told them that one.
As I posted the other day.
Dark Horse.
There will be jealous Cabinet ministers tonight.
> Leadsom.
>
> As I posted the other day.
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> Dark Horse.
>
> There will be jealous Cabinet ministers tonight.
Fools.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
>
> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
Possible in the sense that it's not ruled out by any of the fundamental laws of physics. But you only have to upgrade your comedy suggestion of Mars bar ingredient shortages to car part shortages, to see that it's hard to imagine how large industrial enterprises would not grind to a halt with temporary, then permanent, job losses.
Actually you don't even have to do the upgrade. Loss of a job making Mars bars is loss of a job.
https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1131289311947698176?s=21
We are risking our reputation for sensible pragmatic politics, common-sense, a refusal to indulge ideology, for stability. These things matter - to people here and to those abroad. It is less the fact that the nation is divided and more the way we are dealing with the issue which is harming our reputation.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
>
> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
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Yes and no. Ultimately Brexit won't be a success because we will be forced into a situation where we do what the EU tells us and where we get less than before. Very few people will think that's an improvement. But we will be out of the EU. If you measure success simply by whether you are out of the institution, it will be a success. This question has fascinated me since the referendum. Do Leavers really care about the exercise of sovereignty or only about the symbols? To a greater extent than I expected, they seem to care about the exercise. Which, fundamentally, is why we haven't left yet.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1131287316725678080
Goodbye, Crap Tezzie May
I can't see you, I don't need you.
Goodbye, Crap Tezzie May
Surely you can't last another day.
> I am losing track of the end game statements now:
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>
> https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1131287316725678080
I can't see it happening tonight.
We will get a moment of uneasy calm and then the minute the polls close on Thursday night, it will kick off big style.
> Much as I’d like to pound the Phoenix frau ..... directors, what I’d really like to do is ask Andrea Leadsom and other resigning Cabinet Ministers:-
> 1. What advice they’ve been given about the impact of a No Deal exit;
> 2. The steps that could be taken in mitigation and their costsn
> 3. What cannot be mitigated and the risk assessments of these; and
> 4. Whether they will agree to publish all the advice and supporting material and risk assessments in full.
>
> Do you realise it's entirely possible that however badly we leave, it won't actually be that bad because there's not enough to go wrong? It may well be literally impossible to achieve the doomsday effect by leaving a supranational body upon which nothing essential depends. Even if we have the maximum queues at Dover and Mars bar ingredient shortages, all the disasters that No Deal can visit on us may be fundamentally just things that could ruin someone's day but not their life.
I note you still cling to the theory that nothing bad will happen! I normally find there is no point in replying to comment like yours as Brexit has warped Brexiteers thinking.
You have obviously never encountered personal hardship given your demeaner on hardship. People like you take the view that it won't affect yourself or only will in some trivial way. Think about it though, you might unfortunately experience some life changing illness which means you have to have medication that is manufactured in Germany and Brexit disrupts the supply or medical experts can no longer practice in the UK for some reason related to Brexit. It might mean life or death or permeant damage to your organs or brain function for example.
You don't seem to empathise with those of us exposed by Brexit to deprivation of medication or care.
You may be a "Luckyguy" but past performance is not guaranteed for future success in life, you show a distinct lack of understanding or empathy in your advocacy of No Deal Brexit. The fact peoples lives and jobs will be turned upside down by Brexit does not seem to factor in your judgements...
> Do we have a new Leader of the House yet?
I heard it was Nick Palmer
Take Back Control of our Borders!!!!
Oh, never mind...
> > @OblitusSumMe said:
> > Do we have a new Leader of the House yet?
>
> I heard it was Nick Palmer
Lord Palmer of PB?
> Is their a government in living memory that has collapsed into chaos as much as May's in last few days?
>
I think the Greek government has had its moments over the last decade.
> https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1131293942723612675
Obviously he does not read the Telegraph where Boris pitches for the leadership every week.
I would suggest that if they want any chance they walk in the next hour.
A full day of smiley-faced 'turnout is brisk' would be utterly incongruous - so, not unlike everything else that is going on.
You really do come across as an arrogant obnoxious twat, just saying.
If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future.
I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal.
If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party.
Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
> What level of reporting restriction is tomorrow's election under?
>
> A full day of smiley faced turnout is brisk' would be utterly incongruous - so, not unlike everything else that is going on.
We know from the locals that any PB anecdota about polling stations being either deserted or swamped together with any reported conversations with staff about turnout or swift scans of crossings out can be entirely ignored as containing no useful or representative information.
a big up yours to the smelly students and their grown up fans
In the first place this is terribly patronising. In the second, it's hopelessly outdated.: the sort of comment you'd have expected twenty years ago. In the third place it is a million miles from the 'always courteous' you proclaimed about yourself.
I expect you'll try and laugh it off as just a throwaway remark, a jest, that I should lighten up etc.
Deeply unpleasant.
> Any more resignations due tonight? 😊
>
> Sunil on Sunday exclusive:
>
> Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems!
>
>
> It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet?
>
> I've voted Conservative in the Euros.
>
> If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future.
>
> I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal.
>
> If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party.
>
> Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
Exactly my attitude as well
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1131293942723612675
>
> Obviously he does not read the Telegraph where Boris pitches for the leadership every week.
Well, I mean, who does? A quick look at Matt, an even quicker look at Alex and you're done.
> https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1131296341177577474
Nigel Farage and the seven dwarves
They put turnout estimates at 53% which would be very high for an EU election .
> > @Pro_Rata said:
> > What level of reporting restriction is tomorrow's election under?
> >
> > A full day of smiley faced turnout is brisk' would be utterly incongruous - so, not unlike everything else that is going on.
>
> We know from the locals that any PB anecdota about polling stations being either deserted or swamped together with any reported conversations with staff about turnout or swift scans of crossings out can be entirely ignored as containing no useful or representative information.
Yeah, I know the score on that.
More, if May resigned tomorrow, and the 1922 committee decided to hold the new leadership election by means of a game of British.bulldog, would we get to hear of it before 10pm?
I wouldn't be surprised if she's still in No.10 w/c June 03rd.
> Any more resignations due tonight? 😊
>
> Sunil on Sunday exclusive:
>
> Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems!
>
>
> It's a good point Sunil, has TSE fessed that he's going to vote LD yet?
>
> I've voted Conservative in the Euros.
>
> If things remain as they are, I'll be voting Lib Dem in general elections, given Sheffield Hallam is going to be a Lib Dem v Labour marginal for the foreseeable future.
>
> I shall remain a Tory member for the time being but I expect a conscious uncoupling to begin if the party heads further down the madness of No Deal.
>
> If I wanted to join a party that wanted to fuck business/the economy I would have joined the Labour party.
>
> Like JohnO I realise the ERG have won the war and taken over the party, but I'm prepared for the long and good fight to take it back.
I'll send you a membership form and sub your fees if you join the Labour Party
https://twitter.com/craig4nwarks/status/1131275040706781189
They could lose the double heartlands of both London and the North East tommorow as people decide they're neither fish nor fowl.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/05/22/theresa-may-must-go-now-national-emergency/