> @dixiedean said: > Stepping back to ponder. We are talking about ditching the PM on the eve of an election. > Really think about how utterly unprecedented that is. To be even suggesting it.
It would feel weirder if she hadn't already lost 80% of the parties voters. A resignation statement tonight would likely give them a bit of a boost.
> @rpjs said: > > @AndyJS said: > > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > > https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1131232323402379265 > > > > > > > > > > > > Can they show me the relevant part of the constitution to back up this assertion? > > > > Since we don't have a constitution I find this a bit difficult to understand. > > As executive power is delegated by the sovereign to the Prime Minister and their cabinet, there has to be a PM. If the incumbent does not wish to act as caretaker after submitting their resignation, somebody has to be appointed.
AFAIK there has never been a caretaker PM before. I think it almost certain that HM would ask May to stay on as caretaker - any other course of action would require the monarch to make what would be a politically controversial appointment. And I find it very hard to believe that May would refuse what would effectively be a command of the Queen.
> @GIN1138 said: > FPT > > > @brokenwheel said: > > Ouch > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/1131220451806588929 > > > > > > > > All sounds possible except for the Lidington part. Don't see why TM can't remain as PM while the Tories have their contest to elect a new leader. > > In fact really, it is her duty to do so... Don't think we've ever had a PM that has just gone without their successor being put in place since Anthony Eden?
Eden remained in office until Macmillan succeeded him - despite Butler becoming Acting PM.
If she quits tonight as PM effective immediately - and she absolutely should - then Brenda will HAVE to appoint a replacement. No doubt May will suggest LiddiWho. Will HM's Permanent Private Secretary suggest someone else?
If the governing party is busy fighting for the succession and a PM is needed on an interim basis then surely the proper constitutional thing to do would be to appoint a grandee to steer the ship of state through these troubled times?
Would probably shat with excitement if its Ken Clarke. Brexiteers would probably spontaneously combust in rage
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Surely nothing can happen now because Mike hasn't got a holiday planned? > > Mike’s holiday begins in fewer than nine days.
Question - with open speculation that Maybot is going the night BEFORE the election, if she doesn't will that drive the Tory share of the vote even lower?
He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
Question - with open speculation that Maybot is going the night BEFORE the election, if she doesn't will that drive the Tory share of the vote even lower?
> Surely nothing can happen now because Mike hasn't got a holiday planned?
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> Mike’s holiday begins in fewer than nine days.
Oh blimey. It's on then.
My next stint as editor of PB includes the following scheduled events
1) MV4 2) Trump's visit 3) The Peterborough by election 4) The champions league final for which I have tickets.
Factor in I only started my new job last week and I also have plenty of tickets for world cup matches I suspect I'll be able to put my feet up during this stint.
He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
Yeah me too, although he is possibly the uk politician most likely to get assassinated as well as milkshaked
He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
You realise it could quite easily not just be milk, don't you?
Especially without being very public and open about it. If she wants to do this Grand Coalition approach whereby she gets Labour on board and ignores 100 rebel Tory MPs (or however many) then make it a big thing with a joint press conference etc. Don't try and sneak it out.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > The optics of the Tories thrashing about over 1 job whilst 25000 potential job losses are reported by the media are of course splendid. > > I hope you're free on Sunday, events permitting, I shall be publishing a thread calling Mark Reckless all sorts of rude names.
My commute to the iberian peninsula will be underway, sans ticket, but still hoping... I might pop by.
> > > Can they show me the relevant part of the constitution to back up this assertion?
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> > Since we don't have a constitution I find this a bit difficult to understand.
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> As executive power is delegated by the sovereign to the Prime Minister and their cabinet, there has to be a PM. If the incumbent does not wish to act as caretaker after submitting their resignation, somebody has to be appointed.
AFAIK there has never been a caretaker PM before. I think it almost certain that HM would ask May to stay on as caretaker - any other course of action would require the monarch to make what would be a politically controversial appointment. And I find it very hard to believe that May would refuse what would effectively be a command of the Queen.
You're correct that all previous caretakers have been the outgoing PM, but if May did turn down the Queen's request then someone would have to act as caretaker. Way back in the past this did not arise as a problem as neither the Tory nor Liberal parties had a formal leadership election process, rather the retiring PM would take soundings from their party grandees as to who their successor should be and advise the monarch to summon that person to form the next administration, or if there was no such advice, the monarch would take advise from the grandees. This last happened when Eden resigned after Suez, but reportedly the Queen was very displeased to have been required to get her hands dirty with party politics in this way and so the Tories devised a mechanism for selecting their party leader in such circumstances.
> @brokenwheel said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/kentlivenews/status/1131231021284900864 > > > > He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this. > > You realise it could quite easily not just be milk, don't you?
In theory, but as far as I'm aware there haven't been any attacks intended to actually injure Brexit Party candidates so far. Unless he has specific reason to think one is coming I think he's overreacting.
> @GIN1138 said: > As she won't apparently resign presumably the 1922 will announce they are changing their rules on the leadership contest at 6pm?
Can't they simply annul the result of the December VONC?
"We regret that we have discovered some irregularities in the way that we tallied the vote and as such have no option but to declare the result null and void. As I have received 305 letters calling no confidence in the Prime Minister I can therefore announce that there will be a confidence vote tomorrow"
She wants to avoid a No Deal Brexit at all costs. She knows how catastophic it will be. She thinks enough politicians will vote given the promise of a 2nd referendum. It's the last act of a politician who believe with her heart and soul that she is right. Very, very tragic (in a traditional Greek sense)
> @isam said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/kentlivenews/status/1131231021284900864 > > > > > > He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this. > > Yeah me too, although he is possibly the uk politician most likely to get assassinated as well as milkshaked
I don't understand. If it's meaningful then it forces Corbyn to vote for the WAB because his party wants the second referendum, the WAB passes, and there's a chance of Brexit with a Deal happening. Isn't that a result?
If it's not meaningful, then why get upset about it?
Change UK on over 5%. Is that the new definition of an outlier?
My betting book would be very happy with this poll though, I must say. It's in a fairly good place for all likely outcomes though. Just so long as the LDs don't come 2nd but with them and Labour both on 15-20%.
> He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
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> Yeah me too, although he is possibly the uk politician most likely to get assassinated as well as milkshaked
I don't think we've ever had an "acting PM" in this country before, although it's common in lot of other places.
You are either PM or you're not. We could have a temporary PM, whilst the leadership contest takes place. This is much more likely now than it used to be, because in the old days you could change party leader in an evening whereas now it takes weeks.
So, who exactly is taking over from May inthe short term? She cannot simply quit as PM without naming someone to take her place, so who the heck is that supposed to be given the Tory party factions despise each other?
> @Richard_Nabavi said: > I don't think we've ever had an "acting PM" in this country before, although it's common in lot of other places. > > You are either PM or you're not. We could have a temporary PM, whilst the leadership contest takes place. This is much more likely now than it used to be, because in the old days you could change party leader in an evening whereas now it takes weeks.
In what capacity did R A Butler act in late 1956 & 1963?
How hilarious it would be if the 1922 change the rules... and May still gets the support of a majority of Tory MPs.
(If were her I would her I'd remove the whip from the ERG mob before the challenge.)
It would be funny, but I think we can be reasonably certain that they would not have gone for the rule change unless they were certain she would lose.
As it is I doubt we'll get to that vote, she will announce she is going or gone.
Perhaps the Tory party should hold a series of indicative votes on who should be the new PM ? Otherwise May would need to stay there while they choose a new leader over 2 months, and they would obviously complain if she picked the new PM.
All this does add a new reason to consider voting Tory tomorrow - their vote could well be 5%, or lower, so in decades to come when indicating one's deep loyalty to the party said person can talk about how they even backed the party during the darkest days of May.
Well, I had the most delightful long delicious lunch at an excellent Greek restaurant: laughed at my husband’s jokes, flirted with the charming waiters, lots of lovely food and wine, excellent black coffee at the end. A walk in the sunshine to buy some spectacularly non-boring tiles for our new bathroom so that when visitors ask us: “Were you pissed when you chose those?!” we can truthfully answer yes. Another walk. Some tea.
And now am relaxing on my sunny terrace in a gentle breeze. All I need now for total happiness is to be able to walk from my garden into the Mediterranean sea for a post-prandial swim.
May isn't going to go tonight. Even after several failed attempts the Tories can't even agree a way to get rid of her, let alone actually execute the plan competently. Nothing. Has. Changed.
> @justin124 said > > In what capacity did R A Butler act in late 1956 & 1963?
As deputy PM (although I don't think they used that title), I believe. In 1956 it was because Eden was away, and in 1963 because Macmillan was in hospital.
The most amazing thing about this poll is that both Labour and the Conservatives would breath a sigh of relief it turned out to be right.
Ha, true enough. Tories over 10% and Labour second would be decent results for both. Heck, Labour are not far off the lead on that one.
I can see the logic behind BXP being overstated and Lab doing so well, but not sure where those Tory votes are going to come from - however angry the party is about what May said yesterday, seeking to remove her on the eve of the election doesn't really fix any damage done, in fact it might even make it worse (though not by much, as it is already so bad).
May isn't going to go tonight. Even after several failed attempts the Tories can't even agree a way to get rid of her, let alone actually execute the plan competently. Nothing. Has. Changed.
I now expect to be proved wrong in half an hour.
Haha, you may be... but probably not.
So we now know that whilst May is totally incompetent, the rest of the PCP are even more incompetent.
Well, I had the most delightful long delicious lunch at an excellent Greek restaurant: laughed at my husband’s jokes, flirted with the charming waiters, lots of lovely food and wine, excellent black coffee at the end. A walk in the sunshine to buy some spectacularly non-boring tiles for our new bathroom so that when visitors ask us: “Were you pissed when you chose those?!” we can truthfully answer yes. Another walk. Some tea.
And now am relaxing on my sunny terrace in a gentle breeze. All I need now for total happiness is to be able to walk from my garden into the Mediterranean sea for a post-prandial swim.
And later the Chelsea Flower show on the tele.
BTW Has Theresa gone yet?
Sounds like you’re teeing up a reverse four Yorkshiremen sketch
These people are going to fuck up the defenestration
Edit: They are going to fuck it up, again.
They already have because, still, they all pretty much agree she must go but have no agreement on who should even taken over temporarily. But it doesn't reallyt matter. The party is about to be marmalised in the election, and it'll be about who has any idea of how to reverse that, other than getting on their knees before Farage and the Brexit Party.
It is surely a bad move to try to unseat a PM the day before an election. Whoever resigns will get a heap of shite poured upon them when the party finally regains what little sanity it can muster.
May isn't going to go tonight. Even after several failed attempts the Tories can't even agree a way to get rid of her, let alone actually execute the plan competently. Nothing. Has. Changed.
I now expect to be proved wrong in half an hour.
Haha, you may be... but probably not.
So we now know that whilst May is totally incompetent, the rest of the PCP are even more incompetent.
Always suspected it tbh.
It has been apparent for a long time - it's why she is still there 5 months after having to pull the WA the first time. None of them really, truly wanted to take on the top job while it was still such a mess. They all kicked the can, she has kicked the can, but we're finally at a point where it doesn't matter how bad the mess is, someone has to step up and try something else. I doubt the many leadership campaigners are ecstatic, since unless they are arrogant beyond belief they surely know their options are far more limited than they are pretending.
So, have we had any updates from those Labour MPs in Leave seats who HYUFD says are going to support May's deal now? This would be a great time for them to speak up...
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> No statement tonight
lol
There's no statement until there's one in 30 minutes time
> Stepping back to ponder. We are talking about ditching the PM on the eve of an election.
> Really think about how utterly unprecedented that is. To be even suggesting it.
It would feel weirder if she hadn't already lost 80% of the parties voters. A resignation statement tonight would likely give them a bit of a boost.
> https://twitter.com/nickjbarlow/status/1131223207858593792
But would he be PM - or Acting PM in the way that R A Butler was on two occassions back in 1956 and 1963?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/22/russia-plotting-hack-european-elections-brussels-warns/
> > @AndyJS said:
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> > Since we don't have a constitution I find this a bit difficult to understand.
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> As executive power is delegated by the sovereign to the Prime Minister and their cabinet, there has to be a PM. If the incumbent does not wish to act as caretaker after submitting their resignation, somebody has to be appointed.
AFAIK there has never been a caretaker PM before. I think it almost certain that HM would ask May to stay on as caretaker - any other course of action would require the monarch to make what would be a politically controversial appointment. And I find it very hard to believe that May would refuse what would effectively be a command of the Queen.
I assume there are several...
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> All sounds possible except for the Lidington part. Don't see why TM can't remain as PM while the Tories have their contest to elect a new leader.
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> In fact really, it is her duty to do so... Don't think we've ever had a PM that has just gone without their successor being put in place since Anthony Eden?
Eden remained in office until Macmillan succeeded him - despite Butler becoming Acting PM.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1131232323402379265
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> Bring in Ken Clarke and see how many head bangers spontaneously combust... But I'd rather see one of their own carry the can if no deal really does happen...
If she quits tonight as PM effective immediately - and she absolutely should - then Brenda will HAVE to appoint a replacement. No doubt May will suggest LiddiWho. Will HM's Permanent Private Secretary suggest someone else?
If the governing party is busy fighting for the succession and a PM is needed on an interim basis then surely the proper constitutional thing to do would be to appoint a grandee to steer the ship of state through these troubled times?
Would probably shat with excitement if its Ken Clarke. Brexiteers would probably spontaneously combust in rage
> Surely nothing can happen now because Mike hasn't got a holiday planned?
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> Mike’s holiday begins in fewer than nine days.
Oh blimey. It's on then.
We're like he's still on the bus
Damn right he's still on the bus
Can they perhaps be overtaken by the CHUKers?
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1131236848527990785
> https://twitter.com/kentlivenews/status/1131231021284900864
He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
1) MV4
2) Trump's visit
3) The Peterborough by election
4) The champions league final for which I have tickets.
Factor in I only started my new job last week and I also have plenty of tickets for world cup matches I suspect I'll be able to put my feet up during this stint.
> https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1131236456725385219
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> https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1131236848527990785
How/why on earth did she think she could get away with it?
I think she's been very badly advised...
> As she won't apparently resign presumably the 1922 will announce they are changing their rules on the leadership contest at 6pm?
Which means she stays till June at least. One thing she can do is cling on and kick the can.
> https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1131237145660862469
Pound shop Gordon Brown as someone once said...
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> I think she's been very badly advised...
Especially without being very public and open about it. If she wants to do this Grand Coalition approach whereby she gets Labour on board and ignores 100 rebel Tory MPs (or however many) then make it a big thing with a joint press conference etc. Don't try and sneak it out.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> How/why on earth did she think she could get away with it?
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> I think she's been very badly advised...
So Cabinet were willing to agree a vote on a referendum but not to follow through if parliament votes for one? Hardly an honourable position.
The differences are really quite something .
The BP lead ranges from 4 points to 21 !
> The optics of the Tories thrashing about over 1 job whilst 25000 potential job losses are reported by the media are of course splendid.
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> I hope you're free on Sunday, events permitting, I shall be publishing a thread calling Mark Reckless all sorts of rude names.
My commute to the iberian peninsula will be underway, sans ticket, but still hoping... I might pop by.
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> He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
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> You realise it could quite easily not just be milk, don't you?
In theory, but as far as I'm aware there haven't been any attacks intended to actually injure Brexit Party candidates so far. Unless he has specific reason to think one is coming I think he's overreacting.
> As she won't apparently resign presumably the 1922 will announce they are changing their rules on the leadership contest at 6pm?
Can't they simply annul the result of the December VONC?
"We regret that we have discovered some irregularities in the way that we tallied the vote and as such have no option but to declare the result null and void. As I have received 305 letters calling no confidence in the Prime Minister I can therefore announce that there will be a confidence vote tomorrow"
> > @Scott_P said:
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> How/why on earth did she think she could get away with it?
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> I think she's been very badly advised...
She wants to avoid a No Deal Brexit at all costs. She knows how catastophic it will be. She thinks enough politicians will vote given the promise of a 2nd referendum. It's the last act of a politician who believe with her heart and soul that she is right. Very, very tragic (in a traditional Greek sense)
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> He should really just walk out, get milkshaked, take off his jacket and wipe his face and then do his campaign event with a couple of jokes or outraged comments about it. Whether you like or dislike the people doing it, I'm surprised by Farage's response to all this.
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> Yeah me too, although he is possibly the uk politician most likely to get assassinated as well as milkshaked
You mean by Putin, to stop him giving evidence?
> > @Scott_P said:
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> How/why on earth did she think she could get away with it?
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I don't understand. If it's meaningful then it forces Corbyn to vote for the WAB because his party wants the second referendum, the WAB passes, and there's a chance of Brexit with a Deal happening. Isn't that a result?
If it's not meaningful, then why get upset about it?
> https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1131238763680739330
Who is he in the loo with, though?
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1131238763680739330
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> Who is he in the loo with, though?
BBC says he’s just been in with the 22 for a few minutes
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1131234803137818624
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> The Leave winning streak endeth
> @isam said:
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1131234803137818624
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Change UK on over 5%. Is that the new definition of an outlier?
My betting book would be very happy with this poll though, I must say. It's in a fairly good place for all likely outcomes though. Just so long as the LDs don't come 2nd but with them and Labour both on 15-20%.
> https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1131238763680739330
I understand. The nervous need to evacuate the bowels often immediately precedes a crunch meeting.
> https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1131241951695712257
Yes, that was my take.
> I don't think we've ever had an "acting PM" in this country before, although it's common in lot of other places.
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> You are either PM or you're not. We could have a temporary PM, whilst the leadership contest takes place. This is much more likely now than it used to be, because in the old days you could change party leader in an evening whereas now it takes weeks.
In what capacity did R A Butler act in late 1956 & 1963?
(If were her I would her I'd remove the whip from the ERG mob before the challenge.)
> https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1131242069706584064
Well they both like(d) fancy designer shoes?
As it is I doubt we'll get to that vote, she will announce she is going or gone.
Perhaps the Tory party should hold a series of indicative votes on who should be the new PM ? Otherwise May would need to stay there while they choose a new leader over 2 months, and they would obviously complain if she picked the new PM.
Hilarious! The men in grey suits have become grey men in suits.
> What a total embarrassment for May, for the Tories and for the country.
Certainly embarrassing, but also reassuring in a way that we can have total political chaos and the worst that happens is people buy milkshakes.
These people are going to fuck up the defenestration
Edit: They are going to fuck it up, again.
And now am relaxing on my sunny terrace in a gentle breeze. All I need now for total happiness is to be able to walk from my garden into the Mediterranean sea for a post-prandial swim.
And later the Chelsea Flower show on the tele.
BTW Has Theresa gone yet?
> https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1131242772202250244
Gazza will be along soon with a fishing rod and a few bits of chicken.
I now expect to be proved wrong in half an hour.
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> In what capacity did R A Butler act in late 1956 & 1963?
As deputy PM (although I don't think they used that title), I believe. In 1956 it was because Eden was away, and in 1963 because Macmillan was in hospital.
I can see the logic behind BXP being overstated and Lab doing so well, but not sure where those Tory votes are going to come from - however angry the party is about what May said yesterday, seeking to remove her on the eve of the election doesn't really fix any damage done, in fact it might even make it worse (though not by much, as it is already so bad).
So we now know that whilst May is totally incompetent, the rest of the PCP are even more incompetent.
Always suspected it tbh.
It is surely a bad move to try to unseat a PM the day before an election. Whoever resigns will get a heap of shite poured upon them when the party finally regains what little sanity it can muster.
> https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131238394732929024
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> Hilarious! The men in grey suits have become grey men in suits.
They need to become men in brown boiler suits....