> @Casino_Royale said: > In 12 hours I will be voting in an election. I do not yet know whom I will vote for. > > I am no closer to deciding than I was a week ago. I've never struggled to make up my mind as much as this before. > > I know how you feel.
Same here. And I've been appointed a counting agent for Sunday's vote totting. Regardless of whether I vote Labour or not I'm half tempted to turn up and watch anyway as I did the referendum. That night was funny. As was my own failed local election bid earlier this month
> @Alistair said: > Just taken the 8/1 at Ladbrokes for Brexit Party to get 20-30% if the vote. > > I think this election is unpollable and that 8/1 is surely to long.
I think that Ladbrokes also has some value in turnout 20-30% at 25/1, and Tories in third place at 12/1. I am predicting a pisspoor Labour result, possibly fourth.
First out of the gate for Leadsom then. Fair enough, they'll be plenty more come Friday so best to get it out of the way.
Adds to the impetus for a new PM besides May, since some Cabinet positions at least will need to be refilled, and who will ruin their career by accepting a Cabinet post from May now she is on the way out? Even when Rory was promoted there was a chance she would be in place a little while, and it is not like getting a new minister of state.
> @ah009 said: > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > @JohnO said: > > > > > Leadsom has resigned. > > > > > > > > The stalking horse has neighed. > > > > Was it a "Gallop" Poll? > > Saddle up, puns will be the mane focus of this thread now.
> @AndreaParma_82 said: > If they want to really avoid all the 1% parties getting a MEP and can't implement a threshold, Germany should move to allocate seats by region like in UK. Even without an official threshold, there would be an implicit one if the number of available seats are limited
Seems strange indeed. Although given what's going on here...who are we to comment?
France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists.
Latest polls
IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23% En Marche 23/23/22.5/22% Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13% France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5% Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8% Socialists 6/4/5/5%
Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
> @kle4 said: > > @JohnO said: > > > Leadsom has resigned. > > > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you? > > > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any) > > Hammond.
> @Roger said: > > @JohnO said: > > Leadsom has resigned. > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you? > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
> @AndreaParma_82 said: > France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists. > > Latest polls > > IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA > > Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23% > En Marche 23/23/22.5/22% > Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13% > France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5% > Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8% > Socialists 6/4/5/5% > > Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk >
Looks like a Farage, Le Pen, Salvini sweep through the UK, France and Italy by Sunday
Interesting that Leadsom mentions the tolerance of those in cabinet advocating other than the government position. Only just noticed collective responsibility broke down awhile ago?
> @RochdalePioneers said: > Same here. And I've been appointed a counting agent for Sunday's vote totting. Regardless of whether I vote Labour or not I'm half tempted to turn up and watch anyway as I did the referendum. That night was funny. As was my own failed local election bid earlier this month
Wild prediction: Boris will win, but he will then pivot to a very soft Brexit, and accept Freedom of Movement. He will rely on his charm to win over the outraged voters. I don't know what he will do about Ireland. Maybe nothing. Literally.
You could argue it's a sign that politics is working in this country, unlike somewhere like France where protestors are getting their fingers blown off in clashes with the riot police.
> @Byronic said: > Wild prediction: Boris will win, but he will then pivot to a very soft Brexit, and accept Freedom of Movement. He will rely on his charm to win over the outraged voters. I don't know what he will do about Ireland. Maybe nothing. Literally.
> So what on earth will we have to witter on about tomorrow. Is there going to be a thread on voting systems?
>
> Only if we are very good. Surely it should be nothing but an examination of the merits and flaws of d'hondt.
I did think about doing a thread header about what different poll shares might mean for seat counts for different parties but decided that was too geeky even for here.
Can you add in regional analysis as well? Then the nerds will spontaneously combust!
Wild prediction: Boris will win, but he will then pivot to a very soft Brexit, and accept Freedom of Movement. He will rely on his charm to win over the outraged voters. I don't know what he will do about Ireland. Maybe nothing. Literally.
I'm waiting for someone to propose my solution, which is just pretend we all pretend the backstop is in place but do nothing.
France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists.
Latest polls
IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23% En Marche 23/23/22.5/22% Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13% France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5% Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8% Socialists 6/4/5/5%
Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
In recent times polls have tended to overestimate Left and Centrist parties in French EP elections. Will it happen again?
I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May,
I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess.
> @williamglenn said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > > It would do by an even greater margin, England alone voted 53.3% Leave, the UK only 51.8% Leave > ------------- > > You can't extrapolate from that because it would be an utterly different context.
All the polling shows English Leavers would still vote Leave even if it meant Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving the Union.
Given the Tories won a majority of 60 in England at the last general election England under a Boris premiership would be under hard Brexit for some time I would imagine unless the centre left got its act together and moved beyond Corbyn.
Even if it was England and Wales and the Leave voting Welsh stayed united with the English England and Wales combined still had a Tory majority of 36
Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.
> @stodge said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > No, the Brexit Party vote would collapse to the Tories if Boris went on a hard Brexit platform while Corbyn still refuses to back another referendum and even if he did that would hand northern and midlands Leave marginals to the Tories > > I suspect TBP won't give up so easily. They may well put up candidates against the Conservatives and clearly have a game plan for attacking a Johnson leadership. They also have changed tack and are talking the Trumpian language of changing the political system which will attract many.
TBP won't give up unless say Francois or Baker leads the Tories but the polling shows Boris would at least halve the TBP voteshare if he became Tory leader
> @Byronic said: > I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May, > > I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess. > > GO, you silly woman. GO.
> @Foxy said: > > @Roger said: > > > @JohnO said: > > > Leadsom has resigned. > > > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you? > > > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any) > > Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
> @Pulpstar said: > Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.
Sadly, "completely batshit mental" may be marked as "essential" on the Tory members' person specs.
Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting.
A bit like Boris.
Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well.
> @Roger said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @Roger said: > > > > @JohnO said: > > > > Leadsom has resigned. > > > > > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you? > > > > > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any) > > > > Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping. > > I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
Some think he's the biggest crackpot of all. Northern Ireland is a case in point.
Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting.
A bit like Boris.
Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well.
I strongly supported May’s deal and will vote Conservative tomorrow. But I’ll shed few tears should the BP outperform expectations and poll towards 40%. She’s got to go and I just can’t see any alternative to Johnson or Raab becoming leader and the U.K. slouching to a No Deal Brexit. It’ll probably end in tears (who knows) but it’s the course I now feel we have to tread.
Why the hell should the country suffer to satisfy the loons in the Tory party and a party which has no MPs in Parliament and whose leader has failed in all his attempts at becoming an MP?
The way Tories regularly conflate what is in their interests with what is in the country’s interests is despicable. Drive your own bus over a cliff if you must. But stop including the rest of us in your “we”.
This isn’t about the Tories. They are just a vehicle.
In case you hadn’t noticed it isn’t the mid noughties anymore with this being a fringe opinion. The country is totally split down the middle with basically half the voters wanting Out and looking for any available vehicle to get it.
They’re not going to go away and nor will they stay silent. They are going to tell in our political system whether you like it or not.
Revoke or revocation simply isn’t going to happen unless the Government radically changes. If it does, there will still be awful fallout for a very long time and it will neither settle nor end the matter.
In case you hadn’t noticed, Leavers won the referendum on the basis that we would have a deal. Now they have totally reversed their position and are insisting that only No Deal will satisfy the result.
They have no mandate for that and to insist on it without a fresh mandate is a democratic outrage They are proposing to cause real harm to Britain’s citizens and businesses and glorying in it - because it won’t be as bad as WW2 - exactly the opposite of what they claimed at the time.
So let them ask us if this is what we really want. Let them explain, as they have - so far - utterly failed to do - exactly what No Deal will mean and let’s have a vote on their proposal. Nothing undemocratic about that.
Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting.
A bit like Boris.
Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well.
Leadsom would have been worse
Considering a paperweight would have been better, I'll file that as one of your less convincing opinions.
> @brokenwheel said: > France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists. > > Latest polls > > IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA > > Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23% > En Marche 23/23/22.5/22% > Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13% > France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5% > Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8% > Socialists 6/4/5/5% > > Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk > > In recent times polls have tended to overestimate Left and Centrist parties in French EP elections. Will it happen again?
Didn't EM poll over expectations in both rounds when Macron was elected, and in the Assemby?
> > I have unexpectedly had to spend the night in Edinburgh and am committed to being here tomorrow night too. I am wondering if an emergency proxy is worth the faff, especially as my initial instincts were not to vote at all.
> >
> > My concern now is that the Tory party could completely collapse. This is not just a question of May, who I have always said should have been got rid of immediately after the 2017 fiasco. It is the issue of whether we are to have a moderate centre right party in this country. It is no longer something we can take for granted.
> >
> > I think I will give it a go. The end of days is upon us.
> >
> > This woman told Osborne to go and learn more about his party. Just mind blowing.
>
> May I recommend Dishoom for food? It's rather good.
We've been there for our Christmas lunch the last 2 years and I have been on other occasions as well. I agree it is absolutely excellent although I miss the calamari from their menu. Best starter I have ever had in an Indian restaurant.
Look on the bright side - you’ll be back home before us Hearts supporters return from Hamden.....
Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting.
A bit like Boris.
Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Where's Mortimer? > > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
He was here briefly last night, perhaps he is putting up his Brexit Party poster for tomorrow?
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Where's Mortimer? > > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
He has difficulty posting since he was fitted with a straight jacket.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Where's Mortimer? > > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
Oh the Tory Party is united, it's just that it's now united in The Brexit Party.
> @ab195 said: > France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists. > > > > Latest polls > > > > IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA > > > > Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23% > > En Marche 23/23/22.5/22% > > Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13% > > France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5% > > Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8% > > Socialists 6/4/5/5% > > > > Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk > > Am I remembering correctly that the Nationalists there (whatever they now call themselves) usually undershoot their polling?
Not significantly, certainly in the first round, tends to be more Les Republicains do a bit better as they poll best with pensioners
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting. > > > > A bit like Boris. > > Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well. > > Leadsom would have been worse
An easy claim to make.
It's also easy to claim after May's horror show that Leadsom couldn't have been worse....
> @HYUFD said: > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > Where's Mortimer? > > > > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe. > > He was here briefly last night, perhaps he is putting up his Brexit Party poster for tomorrow? >
Ah contraire. I’m here.
Call me naive, but I assumed the democratic choice of the nation would be honoured. When we leave, the Tory party will be far more united than now.
Was knocking for the locals - the anger is at the delay. Before then things were going well.
> @Pulpstar said: > Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.
And we would have a mother back in No 10 for the first time since Thatcher
> @tlg86 said: > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > Where's Mortimer? > > > > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe. > > Oh the Tory Party is united, it's just that it's now united in The Brexit Party.
Spoke to the most loyal Tory I know today.
He’s voting Brexit tomorrow unless she resigns tonight.
Get my political epitaph in early. Theresa May was an incompetent prime minister. It probably made no difference to the Brexit outcome as any likely alternative Conservative leader would have hit the same issues and there just wasn't a big enough Conservative majority in the House of Commons to steam roller it through. Theresa May worked her guts out for Brexit, but the project was doomed from the start. It's now about how we deal with the failure.
> @AndyJS said: > > @Byronic said: > > I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May, > > > > I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess. > > > > GO, you silly woman. GO. > > She wants to overtake Gordon Brown. 7 days to go. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_tenure
She is overtaking Gordon Brown in ways that I never thought i would see in another PM in my lifetime.
> > I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May,
> >
> > I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess.
> >
> > GO, you silly woman. GO.
>
> She wants to overtake Gordon Brown. 7 days to go.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > Popcorn on standby. > > I'm sick and tired of popcorn!
Is this not just typical of our political class? They go on and on about the obesity crisis and then force popcorn down our gullets on an almost daily basis for months at a time.
> @Roger said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @Roger said: > > > > @JohnO said: > > > > Leadsom has resigned. > > > > > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you? > > > > > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any) > > > > Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping. > > I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
Surely Greybull must have some successes, or they would have gone under themselves?
You buy the company at a deflated price, get funding from the government, strip off all the desirable bits to another company, go bust, buy any desirable assets at pennies to the pound, then eff off and let the taxpayer clean up the mess. I think that's what Alchemy did with Rover IIRC
Alchemy didn't take on Rover as the then government effectively blockaded them from doing so. Are you referring to Phoenix? They did take it over and to call their conduct of the company's affairs highly questionable would be to dignify it.
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But surely May would remain Con leader (as well as PM) throughout contest.
Cameron certainly did. And even less reason to have a temporary Con leader than a temporary PM - Con leader has no functions to carry out.
> In 12 hours I will be voting in an election. I do not yet know whom I will vote for.
>
> I am no closer to deciding than I was a week ago. I've never struggled to make up my mind as much as this before.
>
> I know how you feel.
Same here. And I've been appointed a counting agent for Sunday's vote totting. Regardless of whether I vote Labour or not I'm half tempted to turn up and watch anyway as I did the referendum. That night was funny. As was my own failed local election bid earlier this month
> Leadsom has resigned.
The stalking horse has neighed.
> Just taken the 8/1 at Ladbrokes for Brexit Party to get 20-30% if the vote.
>
> I think this election is unpollable and that 8/1 is surely to long.
I think that Ladbrokes also has some value in turnout 20-30% at 25/1, and Tories in third place at 12/1. I am predicting a pisspoor Labour result, possibly fourth.
Adds to the impetus for a new PM besides May, since some Cabinet positions at least will need to be refilled, and who will ruin their career by accepting a Cabinet post from May now she is on the way out? Even when Rory was promoted there was a chance she would be in place a little while, and it is not like getting a new minister of state. And UKIP won 2014 here, yet people are wetting their pants at BXP winning.
> Leadsom has resigned.
Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
(Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
> Leadsom resigns. It's on.
The first paragraph of her resignation letter reads like a cv, strangely enough.
> > @JohnO said:
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> > Leadsom has resigned.
>
>
>
> The stalking horse has neighed.
>
> Was it a "Gallop" Poll?
Saddle up, puns will be the mane focus of this thread now.
> > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
> > > @JohnO said:
> >
> > > Leadsom has resigned.
> >
> >
> >
> > The stalking horse has neighed.
> >
> > Was it a "Gallop" Poll?
>
> Saddle up, puns will be the mane focus of this thread now.
Pull the udder one.
> Go Leadsom!
One of the funniest things I've seen in British politics was a pro-Leadsom rally being led through the streets of Westminster by Tim Loughton.
> If they want to really avoid all the 1% parties getting a MEP and can't implement a threshold, Germany should move to allocate seats by region like in UK. Even without an official threshold, there would be an implicit one if the number of available seats are limited
Seems strange indeed.
Although given what's going on here...who are we to comment?
Latest polls
IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23%
En Marche 23/23/22.5/22%
Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13%
France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5%
Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8%
Socialists 6/4/5/5%
Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
> > @JohnO said:
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> > Leadsom has resigned.
>
>
>
> Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
>
>
>
> (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
>
> Hammond.
Beat me to it!
> Leadsom resigns. It's on.
Leadsom seizing the mantle like Thatch in 75?
a) confirming she threatened to resign as leader over tactical voting
b) likens Farage to Hitler.
Oh dear.
> > @JohnO said:
> > Leadsom has resigned.
>
> Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
>
> (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
> France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists.
>
> Latest polls
>
> IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
>
> Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23%
> En Marche 23/23/22.5/22%
> Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13%
> France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5%
> Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8%
> Socialists 6/4/5/5%
>
> Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
>
Looks like a Farage, Le Pen, Salvini sweep through the UK, France and Italy by Sunday
> Same here. And I've been appointed a counting agent for Sunday's vote totting. Regardless of whether I vote Labour or not I'm half tempted to turn up and watch anyway as I did the referendum. That night was funny. As was my own failed local election bid earlier this month
I respect you a lot for standing for election
>
You could argue it's a sign that politics is working in this country, unlike somewhere like France where protestors are getting their fingers blown off in clashes with the riot police.
> Can Leadsom rally people to her banner ?
As a mother I'm sure it's possible.
> Wild prediction: Boris will win, but he will then pivot to a very soft Brexit, and accept Freedom of Movement. He will rely on his charm to win over the outraged voters. I don't know what he will do about Ireland. Maybe nothing. Literally.
I think your premise falls down on Boris winning.
A bit like Boris.
I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess.
GO, you silly woman. GO.
> > @HYUFD said:
> >
> > It would do by an even greater margin, England alone voted 53.3% Leave, the UK only 51.8% Leave
> -------------
>
> You can't extrapolate from that because it would be an utterly different context.
All the polling shows English Leavers would still vote Leave even if it meant Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving the Union.
Given the Tories won a majority of 60 in England at the last general election England under a Boris premiership would be under hard Brexit for some time I would imagine unless the centre left got its act together and moved beyond Corbyn.
Even if it was England and Wales and the Leave voting Welsh stayed united with the English England and Wales combined still had a Tory majority of 36
> > @HYUFD said:
>
> > No, the Brexit Party vote would collapse to the Tories if Boris went on a hard Brexit platform while Corbyn still refuses to back another referendum and even if he did that would hand northern and midlands Leave marginals to the Tories
>
> I suspect TBP won't give up so easily. They may well put up candidates against the Conservatives and clearly have a game plan for attacking a Johnson leadership. They also have changed tack and are talking the Trumpian language of changing the political system which will attract many.
TBP won't give up unless say Francois or Baker leads the Tories but the polling shows Boris would at least halve the TBP voteshare if he became Tory leader
> I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May,
>
> I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess.
>
> GO, you silly woman. GO.
She wants to overtake Gordon Brown. 7 days to go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_tenure
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1131271545060564997
Do No 10 deserve any advance warnings right now ?
> Leadsom resigns. It's on.
As a mother....
> > @Roger said:
> > > @JohnO said:
> > > Leadsom has resigned.
> >
> > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
> >
> > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
>
> Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
> Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.
Sadly, "completely batshit mental" may be marked as "essential" on the Tory members' person specs.
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @Roger said:
> > > > @JohnO said:
> > > > Leadsom has resigned.
> > >
> > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
> > >
> > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
> >
> > Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
>
> I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
Some think he's the biggest crackpot of all.
Northern Ireland is a case in point.
They have no mandate for that and to insist on it without a fresh mandate is a democratic outrage They are proposing to cause real harm to Britain’s citizens and businesses and glorying in it - because it won’t be as bad as WW2 - exactly the opposite of what they claimed at the time.
So let them ask us if this is what we really want. Let them explain, as they have - so far - utterly failed to do - exactly what No Deal will mean and let’s have a vote on their proposal.
Nothing undemocratic about that.
Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
> France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists.
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> Latest polls
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> IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
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> Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23%
> En Marche 23/23/22.5/22%
> Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13%
> France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5%
> Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8%
> Socialists 6/4/5/5%
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> Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
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> In recent times polls have tended to overestimate Left and Centrist parties in French EP elections. Will it happen again?
Didn't EM poll over expectations in both rounds when Macron was elected, and in the Assemby?
> Where's Mortimer?
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> Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
He was here briefly last night, perhaps he is putting up his Brexit Party poster for tomorrow?
> Where's Mortimer?
>
> Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
He has difficulty posting since he was fitted with a straight jacket.
> Where's Mortimer?
>
> Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
Oh the Tory Party is united, it's just that it's now united in The Brexit Party.
> France have introduced the threshold (5%) for this election and moved to country wide lists.
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> Latest polls
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> IFOP-Elab-Harris-BVA
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> Rassemlement National 24.5/23.5/24/23%
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> En Marche 23/23/22.5/22%
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> Republicains 14/12.5/12.5/13%
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> France Insoumise 8.5/8/9.5/8.5%
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> Greens 6.5/8.5/7/8%
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> Socialists 6/4/5/5%
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> Rest below the threshold. Socialists are actually at risk
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> Am I remembering correctly that the Nationalists there (whatever they now call themselves) usually undershoot their polling?
Not significantly, certainly in the first round, tends to be more Les Republicains do a bit better as they poll best with pensioners
> Andrea Leadsom is a quitter, she has a history of quitting.
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> A bit like Boris.
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> Not even slightly embarrassed that you went all out for May against Leadsom when it was clear at the time she'd achieved bugger all with the positions she'd held. Oh well.
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> Leadsom would have been worse
An easy claim to make.
It's also easy to claim after May's horror show that Leadsom couldn't have been worse....
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Where's Mortimer?
> >
> > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
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> He was here briefly last night, perhaps he is putting up his Brexit Party poster for tomorrow?
>
Ah contraire. I’m here.
Call me naive, but I assumed the democratic choice of the nation would be honoured. When we leave, the Tory party will be far more united than now.
Was knocking for the locals - the anger is at the delay. Before then things were going well.
Davros.
> Leadsom would probably be a good choice for leader - she'll have learnt how stuff works during her time in cabinet so is less green behind the ears than before. Also she doesn't come off as completely batshit mental but is obviously a leaver and there is a certain humanity about her.
And we would have a mother back in No 10 for the first time since Thatcher
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Where's Mortimer?
> >
> > Back in 2016 he assured me that only a Leave victory would unite the Tory party & country and end the Tory civil war over Europe.
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> Oh the Tory Party is united, it's just that it's now united in The Brexit Party.
Spoke to the most loyal Tory I know today.
He’s voting Brexit tomorrow unless she resigns tonight.
> Popcorn on standby.
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> It's coming out of my nostrils.
You aren't supposed to snort it
A No Deal Brexit doesn't honour the democratic result.
> > @Byronic said:
> > I said on here a couple of days ago that I felt sorry for T May,
> >
> > I do, still - but my sympathy is fast dwindling. Her stubborn refusal to admit defeat is no longer slightly admirable, it is entirely delusional. She is damaging her own reputation, her party's prospects, and the country's hopes of saving something from this mess.
> >
> > GO, you silly woman. GO.
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> She wants to overtake Gordon Brown. 7 days to go.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_tenure
She is overtaking Gordon Brown in ways that I never thought i would see in another PM in my lifetime.
Nigel Farage to team up with Finnish rockers Lordi for next year's Eurovision entry. The song is to be called:
Hard Brexit Hallelujah!
The pessimist says, 'things are so shit under May right now they can't possibly get any worse.'
The optimist says, 'they will, they really will.'
I really can’t stand her. I have an allergy to lying City bullshitters.
> Popcorn on standby.
>
> I'm sick and tired of popcorn!
Is this not just typical of our political class? They go on and on about the obesity crisis and then force popcorn down our gullets on an almost daily basis for months at a time.
> To quote Phil Collins: Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
To quote a different song: Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps
Toryboy TSE laughs off claims he'll defect to the LibDems!
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @Roger said:
> > > > @JohnO said:
> > > > Leadsom has resigned.
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> > > Good Heavens!! You don't suppose she's thinking of standing do you?
> > >
> > > (Any list of Tory MP's not standing for leader would be very welcome-if there are any)
> >
> > Tom Tugenhat said on 5 Live news that he is not standing. Backing Gove, which may be the case with others in the One Nation grouping.
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> I've got a strong feeling Gove is going to win preposterous though the idea should be. If you remove the complete crackpots he's really the only one still standing
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