Yeah and when you add postals they’ll be 35-40% or average for a local election not on the same day as GE. A lot of people wailing about low turnouts don’t appreciate locals usually are lower turnout than GEs. <
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i was referring more to the text - saying Theresa has "killed the party". I agree on turnout, 20% isn't remarkably low, just low
These MPs are just gutless if they won't be public. Particularly when as any number of people have pointed out governments often lose hundreds upon hundreds of seats - it doesn't mean there is not a big problem for the Tories, particularly with the Euros coming up, but to act like May has killed the party for what might end up being a not unusually bad night (even if bad) just makes them look like fools as well unless the losses are historically high.
And sadly turnout around 20 is not unheard of in plenty of places - let us hope that is not the average at least. If turnout overall is in the thirties a lot of people will look silly
> @dyedwoolie said: > Currently Tories up 6 seats on 115 thanks to uncontested seats
Unusually, Labour have automatically gained a seat from the Tories on East Lindsey council in Lincolnshire. The Tories failed to put up a candidate in a safe ward for some reason.
Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
> @AndyJS said: > > @dyedwoolie said: > > Currently Tories up 6 seats on 115 thanks to uncontested seats > > Unusually, Labour have automatically gained a seat from the Tories on East Lindsey council in Lincolnshire. The Tories failed to put up a candidate in a safe ward for some reason.
Could have been an error - I've seen parties mess up their paperwork and seats be uncontested as a result.
> @kle4 said: > > @Thayer5 said: > > ouch > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > These MPs are just gutless if they won't be public. Particularly when as any number of people have pointed out governments often lose hundreds upon hundreds of seats - it doesn't mean there is not a big problem for the Tories, particularly with the Euros coming up, but to act like May has killed the party for what might end up being a not unusually bad night (even if bad) just makes them look like fools as well unless the losses are historically high. > > And sadly turnout around 20 is not unheard of in plenty of places - let us hope that is not the average at least. If turnout overall is in the thirties a lot of people will look silly
Of course that Conservative MP didn't say what he actually wants to do.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > ouch > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic.
> @kle4 said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > ouch > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > > > Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,... > > Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > > ouch > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > > > > > Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,... > > > > Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic. > > Calm down Kle. We're in for a long night...
Not me, I'm going to bed - stayed up all night last locals, so taking this one off!
> @GIN1138 said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > ouch > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
I have a suspicion that the rather calm and unreadable Graham Brady has been playing a deflecting and holding game until these elections (and now the Euros).
If the results stink, I think this approach might change.
> @another_richard said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > ouch > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > > > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,... > > So what else should May have done ?
Magicked a majority out of nothing and ignore parliament going against no deal.
> @GIN1138 said: > Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down? > > Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
At other polling stations, I'm sure, it's as high as 55%.
In 2018, overall local election turnout was 34.7%. In 2017, it was 35.1% In 2016, it was 33% for Metropolitan Councils, 33.3% for Unitaries, and and 34.6% for District Councils.
> @GIN1138 said: > Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down? > > Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
> @CarlottaVance said: > On what planet is an administration that arbitrarily imposed tariffs on allies on the grounds of “national security” a “disinterested party?
Do they not have sarcasm is your part of the world?
> @CarlottaVance said: >On what planet is an administration that arbitrarily imposed tariffs on allies on the grounds of “national security” a “disinterested party? <
> @another_richard said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > ouch > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > > > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,... > > So what else should May have done ?
Where shall we start?
Not stood for a role (Prime Minister) she is not up to?
Not held a vanity election and blown a 20% opinion poll lead in four weeks along with Cameron's majority.
Not said over and over and over again that No Deal was better than a bad deal.
Not said over and over and over again that we'd leave the EU on 29th March.
Not got Ollie Robbins to cook up a deal that would never get through Parliament while throwing Brexiteers to the wolves.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down? > > > > Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May? > > All of Javid, Hunt and Spreadsheet Phil.....
Sure, although frankly I'm not sure how they'd justify it. Ok, let's say the results are terrible, not just bad, as is certainly possible. Like many of their colleagues and probably them privately they agree she has to go and now publicly say so. But unless they also repudiate her Brexit approach what's the point of saying how bad she is doing, and it's a bit like Labour MPs who claim to dislike Corbyn and care about all the anti-semitism issues - if they haven't already gone, what could possibly justify going now?
I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision... . Maybe next year.
> @RobD said: > Any word when we get the first results? > > I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision... . Maybe next year.
Excellent - that was an awesome spreadsheet awhile back.
I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision... . Maybe next year.
Should start to get full councils around midnight.
> @brokenwheel said: > Any word when we get the first results? > > > > I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision... . Maybe next year. > > Should start to get full councils around midnight.
The first wards are usually declared from Sunderland at about 11:30pm.
I made a point of going with my wife and daughter to vote today. It was my daughter's first time having just turned 18 and I wanted to set a good example. I made sure she knew it was her decision on who she voted for and did my absolute damndest to make sure she did some independent research on the local candidates before she voted. I think that it is important to take part in the act of attending the polling station even if, as in my case, the resultant ballot was spoiled.
My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > I made a point of going with my wife and daughter to vote today. It was my daughter's first time having just turned 18 and I wanted to set a good example. I made sure she knew it was her decision on who she voted for and did my absolute damndest to make sure she did some independent research on the local candidates before she voted. I think that it is important to take part in the act of attending the polling station even if, as in my case, the resultant ballot was spoiled. > > My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
I wanted to spoilt my ballot paper but couldn't do it in the end and voted for candidates I don't really support which was not a good feeling.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > I made a point of going with my wife and daughter to vote today. It was my daughter's first time having just turned 18 and I wanted to set a good example. I made sure she knew it was her decision on who she voted for and did my absolute damndest to make sure she did some independent research on the local candidates before she voted. I think that it is important to take part in the act of attending the polling station even if, as in my case, the resultant ballot was spoiled. > > My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
I remember my very first time voting was in the 1996 local elections.
Your first time walking into a polling station to vote is something that stays with you for life.
I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision... . Maybe next year.
Still cheerleading for the Tories?
I think most people gave up the party-partisan arse licking long ago.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @another_richard said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > > @Thayer5 said: > > > > > ouch > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016 > > > > > > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems...... > > > > > > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,... > > > > So what else should May have done ? > > Where shall we start? > > Not stood for a role (Prime Minister) she is not up to? > > Not held a vanity election and blown a 20% opinion poll lead in four weeks along with Cameron's majority. > > Not said over and over and over again that No Deal was better than a bad deal. > > Not said over and over and over again that we'd leave the EU on 29th March. > > Not got Ollie Robbins to cook up a deal that would never get through Parliament while throwing Brexiteers to the wolves. > > We could go on but I'm sure you get the point...
Your points:
1) May was elected to the Conservative leadership unopposed - blame Conservative MPs for that - not that the Conservatives have much in the way of people who are up to the job of being PM
2) The election was a shambles but the 20% lead was something which May had created in the first place. And what happened afterwards ? The Conservatives allowed May to stay as PM.
3) May never said No Deal was better than a good deal and she certainly never said that No Deal was better than any deal which is clearly what the ERG fanatics believe but don't have the courage to admit.
4) We would have left in March if Parliament had approved the WA - perhaps you should blame those MPs who opposed it.
5) Please tell us what deal would have got through Parliament and how the Brexiteers have been thrown to the wolves.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @dixiedean said: > > Mmmm. Cleverly blaming losses on "Labour not helping the government ". > > Nominative determinism missed there I reckon. > > LOL! Is that actually going to be their spin line? Nasty Labour didn't save us so we've lost all our councils? > > Reaching El Gord levels of desperation quite honestly...
I assume they'd prefer the message to received more as 'We are at least trying to deliver Brexit of some kind, unlike everyone else' but I don't see that cutting through, particular when for the Euros the Brexit party can stand for Brexit without any equivocation on any aspect, since they don't need to worry about Westminster.
> @El_Capitano said: > On a different note, I think it's quite wonderfully British that throwing milkshakes at Tommy Robinson shows every sign of becoming a tradition. <
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I don't. How about NOT throwing milkshakes, eggs, punches, spears or gobs of spit at anyone standing for office, whatever their odious views?
I am no longer active in politics (indeed, I claim to be no longer interested) but I went to help my brother in law get re-elected in St Albans today. FWIW, it seemed to us that turnout was reasonable - running at about a voter a minute for a couple of hours between 6:00 and 8:00.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @dixiedean said: > > Mmmm. Cleverly blaming losses on "Labour not helping the government ". > > Nominative determinism missed there I reckon. > > LOL! Is that actually going to be their spin line? Nasty Labour didn't save us so we've lost all our councils? > > Reaching El Gord levels of desperation quite honestly...
The overall security risk issue certainly seems like it has legs, but the subheading about them 'admitting no crime was committed' is unmitigated bullcrap. Are they suggesting a crime would need to be committed for a sacking to be justified?
> That is absolutely the responsible attitude to take and I commend you for it. > > However, seeing Tommy Robinson covered in a different McFlurry every day would be fucking hilarious. <
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I find Jeremy Corbyn just as loathsome as Robinson, indeed possibly more so, as Corbyn is as virulently anti-Semitic as Robinson is Islamophobic, plus Corbyn is a clear and distinct threat to the UK's integrity and security (unlike Yaxley Lennon, who is a sad & troubled character going nowhere).
Presumably, therefore, you are OK with me throwing rotten eggs at Corbyn every single morning for the rest of time?
> On a different note, I think it's quite wonderfully British that throwing milkshakes at Tommy Robinson shows every sign of becoming a tradition.
I don't. How about NOT throwing milkshakes, eggs, punches, spears or gobs of spit at anyone standing for office, whatever their odious views? Argue with them. Belittle them. Much better
If I understand correctly Tommy Robinson has a history of locating your or your parent's house and turning up at about 3am with some friends to threaten you or them. What form of argument or belittlement would you deploy in such circumstances?
> If I understand correctly Tommy Robinson has a history of locating your or your parent's house and turning up at about 3am with some friends to threaten you or them. What form of argument or belittlement would you deploy in such circumstances? <
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I would call the police, and if he is breaking the law, he will be convicted and go to jail - as he has done, several times.
> @AndyJS said: > > @Barnesian said: > > What is there to bet on tonight? > > You could bet on Theresa May resigning if the results are truly shocking for the Conservatives.
I've bet the other way. I've laid her a while ago at 1.09 to survive 2019.
I'm all green on number of Tory seats and win £50 if it is 4000 to 4099. But the seats markets are very illiquid. Where is the excitement if you don't have money in the game? It's like going to a horse race meeting and not betting.
The Lib Dems will do well tonight by default not because they are suddenly popular but because they are second to the Tories in many of the shires where the local elections taking place.
No doubt Sky News et all will out this into context rather then claiming this is some victory for Remain....
I see the Tories got as high as 22 seats on Sunderland City Council a mere 11 years ago. Different times. ALthough they did gain seats last year to rise back to 8.
> @Thayer5 said: > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > Second ward from Sunderland > > > > Washington North > > > > Lab 1007 > > UKIP 702 > > Con 287 > > Green 275 > > LD 85 > > Aren't these incredibly strong UKIP results, given that the party is meant to have collapsed?! > > Or maybe I don't see something?
> @ralphmalph said: > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > Second ward from Sunderland > > > > Washington North > > > > Lab 1007 > > UKIP 702 > > Con 287 > > Green 275 > > LD 85 > > Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere? <
> @ralphmalph said: > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > Second ward from Sunderland > > > > Washington North > > > > Lab 1007 > > UKIP 702 > > Con 287 > > Green 275 > > LD 85 > > Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere?
> @Thayer5 said: > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > Second ward from Sunderland > > > > Washington North > > > > Lab 1007 > > UKIP 702 > > Con 287 > > Green 275 > > LD 85 > > Aren't these incredibly strong UKIP results, given that the party is meant to have collapsed?! > > Or maybe I don't see something?
I still remember being at the count in my area in 2013 and the excitement at the first result announced - a UKIP gain from LD. What change could be on the horizon so many thought, as tales of UKIP breakthroughs in other regions came through.
In the end it was the only seat out of 98 that they won. That's elections for you, just weird.
> @Thayer5 said: > > @ralphmalph said: > > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > > Second ward from Sunderland > > > > > > Washington North > > > > > > Lab 1007 > > > UKIP 702 > > > Con 287 > > > Green 275 > > > LD 85 > > > > Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere? < > > _____ > > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1124075453369733121 > > As I thought, UKIP have surged. Labour in freefall.
They can freefall all they want in some areas so long as they still win in them!
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> ouch
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> https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
Yeah and when you add postals they’ll be 35-40% or average for a local election not on the same day as GE. A lot of people wailing about low turnouts don’t appreciate locals usually are lower turnout than GEs. <
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i was referring more to the text - saying Theresa has "killed the party". I agree on turnout, 20% isn't remarkably low, just low
> ouch
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> https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
These MPs are just gutless if they won't be public. Particularly when as any number of people have pointed out governments often lose hundreds upon hundreds of seats - it doesn't mean there is not a big problem for the Tories, particularly with the Euros coming up, but to act like May has killed the party for what might end up being a not unusually bad night (even if bad) just makes them look like fools as well unless the losses are historically high.
And sadly turnout around 20 is not unheard of in plenty of places - let us hope that is not the average at least. If turnout overall is in the thirties a lot of people will look silly
> Currently Tories up 6 seats on 115 thanks to uncontested seats
Unusually, Labour have automatically gained a seat from the Tories on East Lindsey council in Lincolnshire. The Tories failed to put up a candidate in a safe ward for some reason.
> > Councils that are expected to declare early:
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> > "Broxbourne 00:01
> > Halton 00:01
> > Basildon 00:30
> > Harlow 00:30
> > Newark 00:30
> > Rochford 00:30
> > St Helens 00:30
> > Castle Point 01:00
> > Dacorum 01:00
> > East Hertfordshire 01:00
> > Hartlepool 01:00
> > North Tyneside 01:00
> > Salford 01:00
> > South Tyneside 01:00
> > Sunderland 01:00
> > Swindon 01:00
> > Tameside 01:00
> > Wolverhampton 01:00"
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> > https://election.pressassociation.com/local-elections-declaration-time/
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> Wolverhampton LABOUR HOLD
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Barring mass defections, that result was known 364 days and 11 hours ago.
> Councils that are expected to declare early:
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> https://election.pressassociation.com/local-elections-declaration-time/
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> Sunderland slipping down the league table as usual.
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> I thought Sunderland was fast at GEs, not locals?
They usually get the first individual ward results out for local elections, but the overall result may take longer for some reason.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > ouch
> >
> > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
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> May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
> > @dyedwoolie said:
> > Currently Tories up 6 seats on 115 thanks to uncontested seats
>
> Unusually, Labour have automatically gained a seat from the Tories on East Lindsey council in Lincolnshire. The Tories failed to put up a candidate in a safe ward for some reason.
Could have been an error - I've seen parties mess up their paperwork and seats be uncontested as a result.
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > ouch
> >
> > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
>
> These MPs are just gutless if they won't be public. Particularly when as any number of people have pointed out governments often lose hundreds upon hundreds of seats - it doesn't mean there is not a big problem for the Tories, particularly with the Euros coming up, but to act like May has killed the party for what might end up being a not unusually bad night (even if bad) just makes them look like fools as well unless the losses are historically high.
>
> And sadly turnout around 20 is not unheard of in plenty of places - let us hope that is not the average at least. If turnout overall is in the thirties a lot of people will look silly
Of course that Conservative MP didn't say what he actually wants to do.
> https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1124058456808460288
Thank God a disinterested party is making its opinion known.
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > ouch
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> >
> > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
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> Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic.
Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > ouch
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> > >
> > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
> >
> > Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
>
> Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic.
Calm down Kle. We're in for a long night...
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > > ouch
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> > > >
> > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
> > >
> > > Not to mention by bringing giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
> >
> > Not that crap again. Like him or hate him Corbyn is the only person who could conceivably deliver the votes for Brexit to occur at all. He won't do it, and it is totally fair to think the price of doing so is too high if it involves Corbyn, but the hysteria over seeking a majority in parliament on a divisive issue is just pathetic.
>
> Calm down Kle. We're in for a long night...
Not me, I'm going to bed - stayed up all night last locals, so taking this one off!
St pirian surge!
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > ouch
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
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> > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
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> Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
So what else should May have done ?
If the results stink, I think this approach might change.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > ouch
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> > >
> > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
> >
> > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
>
> So what else should May have done ?
Magicked a majority out of nothing and ignore parliament going against no deal.
> Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down?
>
> Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
All of Javid, Hunt and Spreadsheet Phil.....
> > @Thayer5 said:
> > ouch
> >
> > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
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> That figure may not include postal votes, which comprise a much larger percentage of votes these days.
Also "at some polling stations".
At other polling stations, I'm sure, it's as high as 55%.
In 2018, overall local election turnout was 34.7%.
In 2017, it was 35.1%
In 2016, it was 33% for Metropolitan Councils, 33.3% for Unitaries, and and 34.6% for District Councils.
So, let's see how it looks shall we?
Is Robinson already milking the system before he becomes an MEP?
> Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down?
>
> Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
A Gavin Williamson speech...
> On what planet is an administration that arbitrarily imposed tariffs on allies on the grounds of “national security” a “disinterested party?
Do they not have sarcasm is your part of the world?
>On what planet is an administration that arbitrarily imposed tariffs on allies on the grounds of “national security” a “disinterested party? <
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Uh, Planet Sarcasm, I think.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > ouch
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> > >
> > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
> >
> > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
>
> So what else should May have done ?
Where shall we start?
Not stood for a role (Prime Minister) she is not up to?
Not held a vanity election and blown a 20% opinion poll lead in four weeks along with Cameron's majority.
Not said over and over and over again that No Deal was better than a bad deal.
Not said over and over and over again that we'd leave the EU on 29th March.
Not got Ollie Robbins to cook up a deal that would never get through Parliament while throwing Brexiteers to the wolves.
We could go on but I'm sure you get the point...
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > Who will be on the BBC at 3am calling on Theresa May to step down?
> >
> > Bill Cash obviously... But who's intervention would actually be damaging to May?
>
> All of Javid, Hunt and Spreadsheet Phil.....
Sure, although frankly I'm not sure how they'd justify it. Ok, let's say the results are terrible, not just bad, as is certainly possible. Like many of their colleagues and probably them privately they agree she has to go and now publicly say so. But unless they also repudiate her Brexit approach what's the point of saying how bad she is doing, and it's a bit like Labour MPs who claim to dislike Corbyn and care about all the anti-semitism issues - if they haven't already gone, what could possibly justify going now?
I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision...
> Any word when we get the first results?
>
> I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision...
Excellent - that was an awesome spreadsheet awhile back.
> Any word when we get the first results?
>
>
>
> I was thinking about doing another live spreadsheet this year, but there were so many councils up and I didn't have time to do it. Poor predicted performance from the Blues played no part in my decision...
>
> Should start to get full councils around midnight.
The first wards are usually declared from Sunderland at about 11:30pm.
My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
> What is there to bet on tonight?
You could bet on Theresa May resigning if the results are truly shocking for the Conservatives.
> https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1124063679299956743
A rare lesser spotted Con gain?
> I made a point of going with my wife and daughter to vote today. It was my daughter's first time having just turned 18 and I wanted to set a good example. I made sure she knew it was her decision on who she voted for and did my absolute damndest to make sure she did some independent research on the local candidates before she voted. I think that it is important to take part in the act of attending the polling station even if, as in my case, the resultant ballot was spoiled.
>
> My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
I wanted to spoilt my ballot paper but couldn't do it in the end and voted for candidates I don't really support which was not a good feeling.
> I made a point of going with my wife and daughter to vote today. It was my daughter's first time having just turned 18 and I wanted to set a good example. I made sure she knew it was her decision on who she voted for and did my absolute damndest to make sure she did some independent research on the local candidates before she voted. I think that it is important to take part in the act of attending the polling station even if, as in my case, the resultant ballot was spoiled.
>
> My choice was between 2 Tories who have been councillors for more than a decade, 2 Labour and a Green. I could not bring myself to actually vote for any of them so I spoiled my ballot. I do wonder how many others there are amongst those who did actually vote who felt similarly about the importance of the act but who could not face voting for any of the parties or candidates concerned.
I remember my very first time voting was in the 1996 local elections.
Your first time walking into a polling station to vote is something that stays with you for life.
I think most people gave up the party-partisan arse licking long ago.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/special-bets/market/1.149625939
Nominative determinism missed there I reckon.
> > @another_richard said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > > @Thayer5 said:
> > > > > ouch
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/gordonrayner/status/1124059505015382016
> > > >
> > > > May could have done the seemingly impossible magic double - reanimating the barely twitching corpses of both Farage and the LibDems......
> > >
> > > Not to mention giving Corbyn the greatest endorsement he could have ever dreamed of by bringing him into government and letting him dictate what kind of Brexit she will implement,...
> >
> > So what else should May have done ?
>
> Where shall we start?
>
> Not stood for a role (Prime Minister) she is not up to?
>
> Not held a vanity election and blown a 20% opinion poll lead in four weeks along with Cameron's majority.
>
> Not said over and over and over again that No Deal was better than a bad deal.
>
> Not said over and over and over again that we'd leave the EU on 29th March.
>
> Not got Ollie Robbins to cook up a deal that would never get through Parliament while throwing Brexiteers to the wolves.
>
> We could go on but I'm sure you get the point...
Your points:
1) May was elected to the Conservative leadership unopposed - blame Conservative MPs for that - not that the Conservatives have much in the way of people who are up to the job of being PM
2) The election was a shambles but the 20% lead was something which May had created in the first place. And what happened afterwards ? The Conservatives allowed May to stay as PM.
3) May never said No Deal was better than a good deal and she certainly never said that No Deal was better than any deal which is clearly what the ERG fanatics believe but don't have the courage to admit.
4) We would have left in March if Parliament had approved the WA - perhaps you should blame those MPs who opposed it.
5) Please tell us what deal would have got through Parliament and how the Brexiteers have been thrown to the wolves.
> Mmmm. Cleverly blaming losses on "Labour not helping the government ".
> Nominative determinism missed there I reckon.
LOL! Is that actually going to be their spin line? Nasty Labour didn't save us so we've lost all our councils?
Reaching El Gord levels of desperation quite honestly...
> > @dixiedean said:
> > Mmmm. Cleverly blaming losses on "Labour not helping the government ".
> > Nominative determinism missed there I reckon.
>
> LOL! Is that actually going to be their spin line? Nasty Labour didn't save us so we've lost all our councils?
>
> Reaching El Gord levels of desperation quite honestly...
I assume they'd prefer the message to received more as 'We are at least trying to deliver Brexit of some kind, unlike everyone else' but I don't see that cutting through, particular when for the Euros the Brexit party can stand for Brexit without any equivocation on any aspect, since they don't need to worry about Westminster.
> On a different note, I think it's quite wonderfully British that throwing milkshakes at Tommy Robinson shows every sign of becoming a tradition. <
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I don't. How about NOT throwing milkshakes, eggs, punches, spears or gobs of spit at anyone standing for office, whatever their odious views?
Argue with them. Belittle them. Much better.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > Mmmm. Cleverly blaming losses on "Labour not helping the government ".
> > Nominative determinism missed there I reckon.
>
> LOL! Is that actually going to be their spin line? Nasty Labour didn't save us so we've lost all our councils?
>
> Reaching El Gord levels of desperation quite honestly...
So what do you suggest that they should do.
However, seeing Tommy Robinson covered in a different McFlurry every day would be fucking hilarious.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1124058187680952320
> Sky News are in Peterborough. Interesting choice.
SN is plural now?
BBC Newsnight — Theresa May has given up trying to stop the Euro elections going ahead. They're going to happen.
> I see the UKIPgraph are trying to rehabilitate their boy, Pike:
>
> https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1124058187680952320
The overall security risk issue certainly seems like it has legs, but the subheading about them 'admitting no crime was committed' is unmitigated bullcrap. Are they suggesting a crime would need to be committed for a sacking to be justified?
> That is absolutely the responsible attitude to take and I commend you for it.
>
> However, seeing Tommy Robinson covered in a different McFlurry every day would be fucking hilarious. <
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I find Jeremy Corbyn just as loathsome as Robinson, indeed possibly more so, as Corbyn is as virulently anti-Semitic as Robinson is Islamophobic, plus Corbyn is a clear and distinct threat to the UK's integrity and security (unlike Yaxley Lennon, who is a sad & troubled character going nowhere).
Presumably, therefore, you are OK with me throwing rotten eggs at Corbyn every single morning for the rest of time?
> Breaking News:
>
> BBC Newsnight — Theresa May has given up trying to stop the Euro elections going ahead. They're going to happen.
No doubt she'll be blamed for admitting the truth that it is too late to stop them.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Sky News are in Peterborough. Interesting choice.
>
> SN is plural now?
They can be either singular or plural, like Labour. Labour is going to win, Labour are going to win. Both sound okay.
Absolutely.
> If I understand correctly Tommy Robinson has a history of locating your or your parent's house and turning up at about 3am with some friends to threaten you or them. What form of argument or belittlement would you deploy in such circumstances? <
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I would call the police, and if he is breaking the law, he will be convicted and go to jail - as he has done, several times.
> > @Barnesian said:
> > What is there to bet on tonight?
>
> You could bet on Theresa May resigning if the results are truly shocking for the Conservatives.
I've bet the other way. I've laid her a while ago at 1.09 to survive 2019.
I'm all green on number of Tory seats and win £50 if it is 4000 to 4099. But the seats markets are very illiquid. Where is the excitement if you don't have money in the game? It's like going to a horse race meeting and not betting.
> Ken Clarke: "We could have left by now if it wasn't for the ERG".
>
> Absolutely.
Which is bollocks. Because they don't have the numbers.
Silksworth
Lab 1090
UKIP 818
Con 572
Green 279
Populist 136
> I see the UKIPgraph are trying to rehabilitate their boy, Pike:
>
> https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1124058187680952320
To rival Page 3, The Telegraph displays a couple of pairs of spaniel ' s ears on the front page.
Night all. If you are staying up, enjoy the ride.
Washington North
Lab 1007
UKIP 702
Con 287
Green 275
LD 85
No doubt Sky News et all will out this into context rather then claiming this is some victory for Remain....
.......I won't hold my breath tho.
> Second ward from Sunderland
>
> Washington North
>
> Lab 1007
> UKIP 702
> Con 287
> Green 275
> LD 85
Aren't these incredibly strong UKIP results, given that the party is meant to have collapsed?!
Or maybe I don't see something?
> Second ward from Sunderland
>
> Washington North
>
> Lab 1007
> UKIP 702
> Con 287
> Green 275
> LD 85
Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere?
> > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > Second ward from Sunderland
> >
> > Washington North
> >
> > Lab 1007
> > UKIP 702
> > Con 287
> > Green 275
> > LD 85
>
> Aren't these incredibly strong UKIP results, given that the party is meant to have collapsed?!
>
> Or maybe I don't see something?
Kippers strong in Sunderland.
> > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > Second ward from Sunderland
> >
> > Washington North
> >
> > Lab 1007
> > UKIP 702
> > Con 287
> > Green 275
> > LD 85
>
> Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere? <
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1124075453369733121
As I thought, UKIP have surged. Labour in freefall.
> Newsnight — UK to get strong warning from USA next week over Huawei.
Oh well. Bang goes our big, beautiful trade deal.
Tantalisingly close it was, too.
> > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > Second ward from Sunderland
> >
> > Washington North
> >
> > Lab 1007
> > UKIP 702
> > Con 287
> > Green 275
> > LD 85
>
> Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere?
2018 results:
https://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2018/56/
> > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > Second ward from Sunderland
> >
> > Washington North
> >
> > Lab 1007
> > UKIP 702
> > Con 287
> > Green 275
> > LD 85
>
> Aren't these incredibly strong UKIP results, given that the party is meant to have collapsed?!
>
> Or maybe I don't see something?
This was my first thought.
In the end it was the only seat out of 98 that they won. That's elections for you, just weird.
George Edward BROWN – Conservative - 280
Kristian BROWN – Independent - 204
Thomas CRAWFORD – Liberal Democrat - 134
Martin Edward MOORE – UKIP - 581
Gary OGLE – Green Party - 189
Lynda SCANLAN – Labour - 817
Lab hold
> > @ralphmalph said:
> > > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > > Second ward from Sunderland
> > >
> > > Washington North
> > >
> > > Lab 1007
> > > UKIP 702
> > > Con 287
> > > Green 275
> > > LD 85
> >
> > Can we find the changes in votes from last time anywhere? <
>
> _____
>
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1124075453369733121
>
> As I thought, UKIP have surged. Labour in freefall.
They can freefall all they want in some areas so long as they still win in them!
Lab 1007 (1514)
UKIP 702 (0)
Con 287 (443)
Green 275 (170)
LD 85 (120)
Previous votes in brackets.