If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think).
> @Pulpstar said: > Radio 5 live have been banging on about climate change every single day in the crucial 8:30 odd commute to work spot. Wonder if it has helped the greens ? > Greta Thrunberg the big winner from tonight ? <
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If I was a leftwing Remainer with a conscience (rather than a centre righty) then I would go Green. Who could vote for that ghastly anti-Semite, Corbyn?
> @Danny565 said: > in my experience, people (Remain voters and Leave voters) are mostly hacked off at him being too dogmatically anti-Brexit, and point-blank refusing to vote through anything the Tories propose on Brexit
What experience is this that you're having where you're finding all these Remain voters who think Corbyn is too dogmatically anti-Brexit?
> @AndreaParma_82 said: > Con gain Hulton from Labour in Bolton > > Bolton council is quite unpopular. They were losing by-elections in huge swings in recent months
Quite unpopular is putting it mildly. Compared to Wigan they are w..k. I grew up on the border.
> @david_herdson said: > > @another_richard said: > > > @kle4 said: > > > https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/1124089794701799425 > > > > > > > > > > > > Tories would be ecstatic withthat I imagine. > > > > Beyond ecstatic - for a governing party to be ahead two years after the GE would be remarkable. > > > > Especially given the mess the government is in. > > If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think).
> Radio 5 live have been banging on about climate change every single day in the crucial 8:30 odd commute to work spot. Wonder if it has helped the greens ?
> Greta Thrunberg the big winner from tonight ? <
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If I was a leftwing Remainer with a conscience (rather than a centre righty) then I would go Green. Who could vote for that ghastly anti-Semite, Corbyn?
> @KentRising said: > > @ralphmalph said: > > Labour lose control of Hartlepool. > > Labour are getting fisted tonight. I'm breaking out the vanilla Oreos.
> @edmundintokyo said: > > @Danny565 said: > > in my experience, people (Remain voters and Leave voters) are mostly hacked off at him being too dogmatically anti-Brexit, and point-blank refusing to vote through anything the Tories propose on Brexit > > What experience is this that you're having where you're finding all these Remain voters who think Corbyn is too dogmatically anti-Brexit?
People I work with, who think he's being childish by just saying "no" to everything the Tories propose.
And the aforementioned YouGov polling suggests that my experience is more typical than some Twitter commentators' experience.
> @another_richard said: > > @david_herdson said: > > > @another_richard said: > > > > @kle4 said: > > > > https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/1124089794701799425 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tories would be ecstatic withthat I imagine. > > > > > > Beyond ecstatic - for a governing party to be ahead two years after the GE would be remarkable. > > > > > > Especially given the mess the government is in. > > > > If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think). > > It would be a net gain against 2007.
Don't they always relatively poor in locals there? Con usually won Wirral constituencies in the locals raising interests in the parliamentary seats and then Labour hold them in high turnout
> @TheValiant said: > Also seeing the Wirral results. As a born and bred Wallasey lad, I'm shocked Labour are getting such a kicking over there.
Seems like if the Tories just stick with TMay and TMay just sticks with delaying brexit while she makes endless futile attempts to pass her deal they could easily hang onto power until 2027.
I predict whatever happens the bulk of lab MPs will say it shows the need to come out clearly for remain, and bulk oftory MPs say it shows they need to stop trying to deal with Corbyn. Shocking I know.
> I know few care in a Bootle ward, but looking at my result:
>
> Labour significantly down - drops below 50% which is the first time since 2014.
> Turnout not really down on last year. 32% from 34%.
> Conservatives go (slightly) backwards too. Lib Dems and Green are the biggest winners here.
>
> Victoria was a fairly solid Lib Dem ward throughout the 1990s to 2010s.
>
> So, here, I'd say neither Con nor Lab have anything to cheer about, especially not Labour.
> Lib Dems and Greens both making progress.
> Turnout is NOT significantly down.
I don't know how the Tories could go any lower in Bootle.
The Conservatives (nationally) came 2nd in 2017 GE in Bootle. Just that it's not hard to come 2nd. You need to remember to vote for yourself, and get ONE other person to do so and you come second.
> @AndyJS said: > Labour's problem is that they don't have London, Birmingham, Scotland and Wales to come to their rescue tonight. Particularly London.<
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Labour no longer have Scotland. Which is one massive issue for them, that they seem unable to resolve.
> @Thayer5 said: > > @AndyJS said: > > Labour's problem is that they don't have London, Birmingham, Scotland and Wales to come to their rescue tonight. Particularly London.< > > _______ > > Labour no longer have Scotland. Which is one massive issue for them, that they seem unable to resolve.
Indeed Labour lost the one by-election in Scotland tonight to the SNP
Interesting results so far. Hilarious in some cases.
Based on which I suspect it's now safe to say there won't be a GE this year. Can't see Labour MPs being mad enough to vote for one, Tories clearly won't. So there won't be one.
The irony of this is that the original argument for Corbynism was that centrist Labour was facing an existential threat from the Greens or other left-wing parties that would offer progressive voters something they could believe in, but Corbyn's ended up serving up their vote on a plate because he couldn't resist his inner tankie.
The irony of this is that the original argument for Corbynism was that centrist Labour was facing an existential threat from the Greens or other left-wing parties that would offer progressive voters something they could believe in, but Corbyn's ended up serving up their vote on a plate because he couldn't resist his inner tankie.
I wonder whether Labour had wind of this in the last couple of days? Jezza and co have spent a lot of time on climate change policy since beginning of week.
Not enough. Jezza's obvious blocking of a 2nd vote may well do for him.
> @Thayer5 said: > So Labour getting totally waxed in the North, the Tories doing poorly in the south (but not as poorly as expected)?
The Tories are losing seats to the LDs in the south, but I don't think we know yet what's happening in the south in Con/Lab battles. Basildon the only one so far.
Wow. Barry Gardiner is actually laughing in his response to the Sunderland Labour leader who's blaming the national party for his losses. Tact not your strong point, Barry. Though to be fair I'm not quite sure what your strong point might be.
Tory vote seems to be holding up, or increasing vs Labour, in the seats I've seen declared in Bury MBC where I live. LDs just stolen a seat off Labour 1900 to 1000 - was Lab majority of 50 before. No other changes yet.
Unsurprisingly my once iconicly Tory council has been lost to NOC. At least the ward where I live is still Tory, but probably only because we weren't voting today...
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> Labour lose control of Hartlepool.
Well, it will confirm Roger's prejudices about the monkey-hangers.....
LABOUR 975
CONSERVATIVE 1102
Con gain.
> > @kle4 said:
> > https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/1124089794701799425
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> >
> >
> > Tories would be ecstatic withthat I imagine.
>
> Beyond ecstatic - for a governing party to be ahead two years after the GE would be remarkable.
>
> Especially given the mess the government is in.
If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think).
> LABOUR LOSE HARTLEPOOL
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> I really did not expect that to be the first headline of the night.
Labour lose five, independents are the winners there +4, UKIP +1.
> Radio 5 live have been banging on about climate change every single day in the crucial 8:30 odd commute to work spot. Wonder if it has helped the greens ?
> Greta Thrunberg the big winner from tonight ? <
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If I was a leftwing Remainer with a conscience (rather than a centre righty) then I would go Green. Who could vote for that ghastly anti-Semite, Corbyn?
> Bloxwich East (Walsall)
> LABOUR 975
> CONSERVATIVE 1102
> Con gain.
The area which had the lowest number of signatures on the Second Referendum petition.
> in my experience, people (Remain voters and Leave voters) are mostly hacked off at him being too dogmatically anti-Brexit, and point-blank refusing to vote through anything the Tories propose on Brexit
What experience is this that you're having where you're finding all these Remain voters who think Corbyn is too dogmatically anti-Brexit?
> Con gain Hulton from Labour in Bolton
>
> Bolton council is quite unpopular. They were losing by-elections in huge swings in recent months
Quite unpopular is putting it mildly. Compared to Wigan they are w..k. I grew up on the border.
> > @another_richard said:
> > > @kle4 said:
> > > https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/1124089794701799425
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tories would be ecstatic withthat I imagine.
> >
> > Beyond ecstatic - for a governing party to be ahead two years after the GE would be remarkable.
> >
> > Especially given the mess the government is in.
>
> If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think).
It would be a net gain against 2007.
> > @ralphmalph said:
> > Labour lose control of Hartlepool.
>
> Labour are getting fisted tonight. I'm breaking out the vanilla Oreos.
Ooh, you sod!
Lab 14 wards
Ind 4
Greesn 1
> > @Danny565 said:
> > in my experience, people (Remain voters and Leave voters) are mostly hacked off at him being too dogmatically anti-Brexit, and point-blank refusing to vote through anything the Tories propose on Brexit
>
> What experience is this that you're having where you're finding all these Remain voters who think Corbyn is too dogmatically anti-Brexit?
People I work with, who think he's being childish by just saying "no" to everything the Tories propose.
And the aforementioned YouGov polling suggests that my experience is more typical than some Twitter commentators' experience.
He's doing the best he can on the BBC, but given the results, eeesh.
I don't know from who
CON: 454
GREEN: 212
LAB: 1124
LIB DEM: 791
UKIP: 446
Good night not to have a blue or red rosette?
BBC Election scoreboard:
https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/ceeqy0e9894t/england-local-elections-2019
> > @david_herdson said:
> > > @another_richard said:
> > > > @kle4 said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/DamianSurvation/status/1124089794701799425
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tories would be ecstatic withthat I imagine.
> > >
> > > Beyond ecstatic - for a governing party to be ahead two years after the GE would be remarkable.
> > >
> > > Especially given the mess the government is in.
> >
> > If those figures are right, it'd be a net gain for Con against 2011 (I don't know the effect of boundary changes but it *probably* wouldn't be big enough to swing it, I'd think).
>
> It would be a net gain against 2007.
As the Tories made a net gain in 2011 too, yes.
> @TheValiant said:
> Also seeing the Wirral results. As a born and bred Wallasey lad, I'm shocked Labour are getting such a kicking over there.
> @El_Capitano said:
> Labour gain Kew in Sefton
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>
>
> I don't know from who
>
>
>
> CON: 454
>
> GREEN: 212
>
> LAB: 1124
>
> LIB DEM: 791
>
> UKIP: 446
>
> From Lib Dem.
> Labour gain Kew in Sefton
>
> I don't know from who
>
> CON: 454
> GREEN: 212
> LAB: 1124
> LIB DEM: 791
> UKIP: 446
From the LibDems.
Its in formerly LibDem Southport constituency.
> Labour gain Kew in Sefton
>
> I don't know from who
>
> CON: 454
> GREEN: 212
> LAB: 1124
> LIB DEM: 791
> UKIP: 446
Seems to be a split Lab/Lib ward, with a UKIP history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kew_(Sefton_ward)
Extraordinary.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1124100836316073990
Think I may die laughing over Seamus and Jezza's brilliant tactics.
Predicting labour to be about 50 down
Tory down 600
Lib Dems up 500
Greens up 100
When all is done
> Wow
>
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1124100836316073990
Grimsby.
> Total number of spoilt papers in Sunderland = 300 with all the results in.
If Twitter's anything to go by many will have had 'Brexit Party' written across them.
> Labour's problem is that they don't have London, Birmingham, Scotland and Wales to come to their rescue tonight. Particularly London.<
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Labour no longer have Scotland. Which is one massive issue for them, that they seem unable to resolve.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q33LipQw_OS8b6u-tTM14iyzkKcEAs6qQve4OLt_Bo8/edit#gid=753159994
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Labour's problem is that they don't have London, Birmingham, Scotland and Wales to come to their rescue tonight. Particularly London.<
>
> _______
>
> Labour no longer have Scotland. Which is one massive issue for them, that they seem unable to resolve.
Indeed Labour lost the one by-election in Scotland tonight to the SNP
> This is looking like a terrible night for Labour...
oh well, never mind
Based on which I suspect it's now safe to say there won't be a GE this year. Can't see Labour MPs being mad enough to vote for one, Tories clearly won't. So there won't be one.
> For Britain wins a seat in Hartlepool.
For Britain indeed
> https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124097945694089218
>
> Think I may die laughing over Seamus and Jezza's brilliant tactics.
The anti semite marxists deserve a monstering
They should be hoovering up 1000s of councillors, instead they are LOSING.
> So Labour getting totally waxed in the North, the Tories doing poorly in the south (but not as poorly as expected)?
Yet another election which further cements Labour as the party of the affluent south. Oh the irony.
Lab -7
Con -1
LD +7
UKIP - 5
Green +4
Astonishing - Swing 3% LAB TO CON since 2015 (when Con won majority at GE!)
Con 20/-3 seats
Lab 15/+2
UKIP 1/-2
Ind 6/+3
NOC gain
https://democracy.newcastle.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=9&AC=EDIT_ELECTION&RPID=6225636
Popular vote:
Lab 38%
LD 23%
Con 11%
Greens 9%
Ind 6%
UKIP 6%
Newcastle First 4%
> The really bad results for the Tories to be counted tomorrow?
Only 124 of 348 councils are counting tonight, so anything could happen tomorrow.
Not enough. Jezza's obvious blocking of a 2nd vote may well do for him.
CON: 211
GREEN: 514
LAB: 1,896
LD: 1,826
The Lab candidate is under investigation for anti-semite comments on social media. Huge swing against him. But he survived
> So Labour getting totally waxed in the North, the Tories doing poorly in the south (but not as poorly as expected)?
The Tories are losing seats to the LDs in the south, but I don't think we know yet what's happening in the south in Con/Lab battles. Basildon the only one so far.
> Brits really don't want Corbynite Marxism. When will Labour realise this, AND do something about it?
I'm not sure Marxism is the right word but optimistically, June 2022.