May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
I saw a schoolboy on the tube reading Das Kapital the other day. I just assumed it was @TheJezziah brushing up.
Das Kapital is a bit tedious, but The Communist Manifesto is short and very readable. It is one of the political classics that everyone should read.
The romance of Marx is undeniable. You've got a penniless and extravagantly bearded exile scratching away in the reading room of the British Library but he's writing a compelling political and economic history of a century that is yet to come.
Hopefully we'll get him on a banknote in the second term.
Will that be the new £10,000 note you'd need five of to buy a Cappuccino?
What an opportunity for Jeremy to look pragmatic and Prime Ministerial and the early indications are that he will make the most of it.
He has certainly made an excellent start with that photo this morning. Note the glasses perched halfway down his nose. It looks suitably serious for what is after all a serious situation. More to the point, he needs his spectacles to read the document in front of him, therefore that he is wearing them shows that he is all over this.
And what is that document he is studying? This is the best sign of all. It is not the Withdrawal Agreement that everyone knows cannot be changed. No, it is the POLITICAL DECLARATION which (albeit meaningless) is now the heart of the matter and has the additional benefit of being much shorter and less unpleasant to wade through.
The whole image says compromise, concentration, judgment, wood from the trees, national interest.
But all of this great PR will be in vain if he does not go on to achieve what must be the objective - fail to reach an agreement with the PM while appearing to want one.
That could prove difficult if the 'red lines' really have gone for a burton. How is he going to pull off a No Agreement if Mrs May is caving in left right and centre to his demands? That is the real challenge here and all the photos in the world will not help if Jeremy is not up to it. So is Jeremy up to it?
Yes, I rather think he is.
Theresa May spent seven hours yesterday not reaching agreement with her own Cabinet. She has spent the last two years not compromising with anyone. Why will it be different this time?
Because she's talking to the well-known pragmatist and middle-of-the-road dealmaker Jeremy Corbyn, who doesn't in any way want to destroy the Tory party and line himself up for a stint at number ten off the back of a 'harmful Tory Brexit'.
The point about the no-referendumers having nowhere to go in Labour is a good one. Who have they got to defect to ? At the same time the willingness for that has to come from Corbyn, and I haven't seen it so far.
I don't think he will agree to a referendum in talks with May (and I doubt she will agree to one ether) but he will leave the way open for parliament to go for one later. A route it is quite likely to take now I think. A referendum will inevitably lead to the fall of the government.
Look at it the other way around. With no agreement there's a vote on a PV on Monday. Can Corbyn really risk being the man who takes that away?
I'm registered to vote in Twickenham but am spending most of my time in West Dorset, a second home. Are there any ramifications if I register to vote in West Dorset with the intention of voting here in any GE?
So long as you only vote once it’s ok
(There may also be council tax implications for primary residence)
The rules on this have changed and it is no longer sufficient to register as a voter that you own a property, pay council tax on it, or spend an amount of time there. Unlike in the old days where just being the owner allowed you to register.
There needs to be a reasonable degree of permanent residence. If you split your time reasonably equally between two locations, you can register at both. If you have a clear primary residence and only use the second property for leisure purposes (for example occasional holidays and weekends) then you cannot register there, and must register at your main property.
From the OP's posting, if his "spending most of his time" is an ongoing situation and not simply transient, he actually MUST register in Dorset and come off the register in Twickenham.
That's not quite right, I think. The law is much less clear-cut than you imply.
Here's what the Electoral Commission says:
Whether or not you reside at an address is not defined in law. Residence is understood to mean a “considerable degree of permanence”.
This means a person with two homes who spends the same amount of time in each can legally register at both addresses.
It is unlikely that merely owning a second home that is used for recreation would be enough to qualify you to register to vote in that area. Simply paying council tax on a second home would also not be enough.
Note that they DON'T say that spending about the same time in the two residences is a condition for registering at both addresses. The reason they don't say that is that there is no basis in law for saying it.
As I understand it, the main case law on this is Fox vs Stirk, helpfully summarised by the tax man here:
Not commented since the TM announcement last night.
Think she has been pragmatic and sensible. What else can she really do?
Whilst I do sympathise with the ERG to a degree (notwithstanding their idiocy), they are behaving as if this is a Tory administration with a 100 seat majority. May tried for that in June 2017, and day by day is being vindicated for that strategic judgement call even if she ballsed it up. We all posted on here on the morning after the GE that Brexit was either dead completely or we would have BINO.
May valiantly tried to press on and came very very close to getting a sensible compromise deal which should have kept both sides of her party together, the DUP, and a sensible core of moderate Labour MPs particularly those in Leave seats. The backstop was a mess and we should have stood firmer on that sooner. But I do admire what she has tried to do.
The ERG say we should No Deal. But how can a minority Government, under threat of a VONC every day and likely to get hammered at a GE, allow such a thing to happen - especially when Parliament may take it out of their hands next week anyway?
I think with hindsight "pressing on anyway" after June 2017 was a grave mistake. She should have said "we are minority now so we have to build consensus". Even with Cameron's thin majority the same may well have been true anyway.
Engaging Corbyn is right, and I am encouraged by his consensual and statesmanlike tone, which is to his credit. I think they will sort it. Or agree a list of options, one of which will get a majority in the final crunch vote on Monday. The Tories will lose core voter support (I read a tweet by Jenkyns last night and the comments of her "betrayed" constituents in response to it do not make happy reading for moderate middle ground Tory supporters like me frankly), but in the long term we are probably going to leave the EU, we will find a happy compromise settlement which will be worse than TM's own deal, but the administration may survive, with a new PM, and get to lead the future settlement which may depart from whatever the May/Corbyn deal requires. The country will get to move on, the Union will survive for now, and in time, we will have a GE where we get a straight choice between the new PM and Corbyn away from the current frenzied heat.
I hope...!
In 2010 you and I were the only two sensible Tory supporters on here (when we could see the Posh Boys were blowing their chance of a majority) so all I can say about this post is:
If this was a horror film, a zombified tezzajezza would appear outside number 10 just repeating 'were all in this together' whilst the shot cuts to a sunlit upland where David Cameron is pleasuring himself with a dead pig whilst laughing hysterically.
I don't buy this "Corbyn now de facto PM" garbage.
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
Thus have we made the world and thus has she made it
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Ive done a bit of early morning drinking myself :-)
I'm not sure how all this is going to play with the and of course that will depend on the process and outcome. Rushing to the view that Corbyn as PM is inevitable is actually very speculative.
Anti-Corbyn sentiment is strong and pretty much unshakeable but in itself will probably not prevent a Labour majority. However many people recognise the difficulty of managing Brexit hence TM's reasonable ratings under the circumstances. If an election is avoided at the point of maximum Tory disarray who then regroup under a relatively sane leader that might be enough to stop a Lab majority or even win one. You also have to factor in that Corbyn could get this wrong now that he is more in the Brexit spotlight. The obvious dangers electorally are obvious game playing and nit-picking, pushing FOM hard (I like FOM but I think it is net negative for votes) and permanent CU dipping in popularity when the implications sink in. The PV issue is potentially big. If both parties are for or against then it is probably neutralised (an unlikely TIG + Lib Dem surge not withstanding). If the Tories wanted to damage Corbyn then they would engineer a Labour Tory split foisting the PV on to a reluctant May! Not likely though.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
TBF it wasn't exactly a vanity election; Her majority wasn't huge, and she correctly saw that it was going to be hard to get stuff through and it would go more smoothly with a bigger one.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
TBF it wasn't exactly a vanity election; Her majority wasn't huge, and she correctly saw that it was going to be hard to get stuff through and it would go more smoothly with a bigger one.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
Yes. Given the ERG was bigger than the size of the majority she inherited from Cameron, calling an election to increase her majority made a lot of sense given the polls of the time, but she wasn’t up to the task.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
She called the election because she knew she couldn't rely on the ERG to vote for her. She was right.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
TBF it wasn't exactly a vanity election; Her majority wasn't huge, and she correctly saw that it was going to be hard to get stuff through and it would go more smoothly with a bigger one.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
It was a vanity election as she wasn't offering up anything new.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
TBF it wasn't exactly a vanity election; Her majority wasn't huge, and she correctly saw that it was going to be hard to get stuff through and it would go more smoothly with a bigger one.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
Yes. Given the ERG was bigger than the size of the majority she inherited from Cameron, calling an election to increase her majority made a lot of sense given the polls of the time, but she wasn’t up to the task.
Given that she did get over 42% of the vote I think criticism of the campaign tends to be overstated as a factor in why the election went badly and turned out to have been a strategic mistake.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
She called the election because she knew she couldn't rely on the ERG to vote for her. She was right.
Why was her manifesto and campaign so crap then ? Was that the ERG's fault too ?
I'm not sure how all this is going to play with the and of course that will depend on the process and outcome. Rushing to the view that Corbyn as PM is inevitable is actually very speculative.
Anti-Corbyn sentiment is strong and pretty much unshakeable but in itself will probably not prevent a Labour majority. However many people recognise the difficulty of managing Brexit hence TM's reasonable ratings under the circumstances. If an election is avoided at the point of maximum Tory disarray who then regroup under a relatively sane leader that might be enough to stop a Lab majority or even win one. You also have to factor in that Corbyn could get this wrong now that he is more in the Brexit spotlight. The obvious dangers electorally are obvious game playing and nit-picking, pushing FOM hard (I like FOM but I think it is net negative for votes) and permanent CU dipping in popularity when the implications sink in. The PV issue is potentially big. If both parties are for or against then it is probably neutralised (an unlikely TIG + Lib Dem surge not withstanding). If the Tories wanted to damage Corbyn then they would engineer a Labour Tory split foisting the PV on to a reluctant May! Not likely though.
I cannot see any party winning a majority at the next election unless either Corbyn or May go. Even then, without a recovery in Scotland, I can’t see where the Labour seats come from to make them anything other than largest party and a minority government.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Followed by a GE with multiple parties, and either Farage or Corbyn winning an overall majority on about 27% of the vote.
This apparent future desire for Corbyn amongst some of the harder Brexit posters does show how the extremes of political right and left are much closer than one might otherwise predict or expect
Brexit and Corbynism are two cheeks of the same arse.
Both blame others for the ills of the country and are prepared to trash the economy so they can they deliver on their policies.
There's a lot of truth in that. Trumpism over the pond as well. The problem is that these movements have gained and are remaining popular because the established politicians have failed to address the concerns of large numbers of voters, and sadly I've seen virtually no evidence that the established politicians have either attempted to address these concerns or even grasped this point.
And until they do, I remain convinced that an extremist government of one type or other is around the corner.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Ive done a bit of early morning drinking myself :-)
I did mine last night!
Off to your homeland next week with an ex-colleague from a place called Carryduff, or something like that. Do you know it? He is going to show me the North and we are going to drink a lot, I suspect.
The only upside of all this is watching the ERG reap what they have sowed.
They tried to get rid of May - the wets who voted for her to stay on are at fault.
No, they had three chances to vote for brexit, they fucked it each time.
Could the 22 committee change the rules on leadership election - considering 200 mps want no deal might be a good route for them and ditch May sharpish
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
She called the election because she knew she couldn't rely on the ERG to vote for her. She was right.
Why was her manifesto and campaign so crap then ? Was that the ERG's fault too ?
No, that's entirely on her. But it wasn't a vanity election called just because she thought she could increase her majority, and if the ERG hadn't been such utter bellends, she might not have bothered.
She has a point with the ERG but who blew her majority by calling a vanity election and losing a 20%+ opinion poll lead in four weeks so she had to rely on the DUP in the first place?
TBF it wasn't exactly a vanity election; Her majority wasn't huge, and she correctly saw that it was going to be hard to get stuff through and it would go more smoothly with a bigger one.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
Yes. Given the ERG was bigger than the size of the majority she inherited from Cameron, calling an election to increase her majority made a lot of sense given the polls of the time, but she wasn’t up to the task.
Given that she did get over 42% of the vote I think criticism of the campaign tends to be overstated as a factor in why the election went badly and turned out to have been a strategic mistake.
I agree. Brexit was a key factor in London, where I did a lot of campaigning. May's blundering was secondary. I remember very well being sent out to canvass a street of large houses overlooking a common, which I naturally approached with some trepidation as it seemed unlikely that their prosperous owners would look kindly on Corbyn's Labour. But house after house said they were voting :Labour because of Brexit. It soon became clear that the Tories would not get the large majority that was then expected.
The only upside of all this is watching the ERG reap what they have sowed.
They tried to get rid of May - the wets who voted for her to stay on are at fault.
No, they had three chances to vote for brexit, they fucked it each time.
Could the 22 committee change the rules on leadership election - considering 200 mps want no deal might be a good route for them and ditch May sharpish
Not in the next week when a decision has to be made
May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Troll, liar, Labour PR. People here are generally pretty bright and cynical.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Ive done a bit of early morning drinking myself :-)
I did mine last night!
Off to your homeland next week with an ex-colleague from a place called Carryduff, or something like that. Do you know it? He is going to show me the North and we are going to drink a lot, I suspect.
yeah
small village in Co Down
near Strangford Lough which is worth a visit also if youre an NT member go to Mount Stewart the ancestral home of Lord Castlereagh - has some of the original chhairs from the Congress of Vienna. If youre a Game of Thrones fans there lots to see as NI is basically the set for Winterfell.
Otherwise if youre travelling, do the North Coast, Belfast and the Titanic, Mournes and drink and eat lots.
I agree. Brexit was a key factor in London, where I did a lot of campaigning. May's blundering was secondary. I remember very well being sent out to canvass a street of large houses overlooking a common, which I naturally approached with some trepidation as it seemed unlikely that their prosperous owners would look kindly on Corbyn's Labour. But house after house said they were voting :Labour because of Brexit. It soon became clear that the Tories would not get the large majority that was then expected.
I think you are right that it depended a lot on the area. In Eastbourne and in Hastings & Rye the much-misunderstood 'dementia tax' seemed to be much more of a factor than Brexit.
Mike, what's your take on the Welsh Devolution Referendum of 1997, when Yes won by only 0.6%?
It’s not the referendum but what happened after the referendum. Brexit’s like prohibition - hugely popular idea until its difficulties become evident. The Welsh Assembly was a reasonably well thought out proposal decently implemented. Brexit isn’t as we see today. Anyway, it’s not as if the Conservatives were not ruling out a second referendum on the issue ( https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-now-lying-welsh-assembly-15673406 ) and there is a party in Wales devoted to the Assembly’s abolition that isn’t exactly setting the polls on fire.
I don't buy this "Corbyn now de facto PM" garbage.
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
People here are terribly keen to jump to conclusions. Those who put a smiley face at the end of their posts are generally just Farage smegma suckers.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Ive done a bit of early morning drinking myself :-)
I did mine last night!
Off to your homeland next week with an ex-colleague from a place called Carryduff, or something like that. Do you know it? He is going to show me the North and we are going to drink a lot, I suspect.
yeah
small village in Co Down
near Strangford Lough which is worth a visit also if youre an NT member go to Mount Stewart the ancestral home of Lord Castlereagh - has some of the original chhairs from the Congress of Vienna. If youre a Game of Thrones fans there lots to see as NI is basically the set for Winterfell.
Otherwise if youre travelling, do the North Coast, Belfast and the Titanic, Mournes and drink and eat lots.
May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Troll, liar, Labour PR. People here are generally pretty bright and cynical.
There were several lines that could be taken against him: for instance, it's funny that someone into Marx and Communism, and who wants to bring down Capitalism, says you should buy your books from Amazon!
It does show a rather lack of serious thought on his part ...
I don't buy this "Corbyn now de facto PM" garbage.
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
People here are terribly keen to jump to conclusions. Those who put a smiley face at the end of their posts are generally just Farage smegma suckers.
This apparent future desire for Corbyn amongst some of the harder Brexit posters does show how the extremes of political right and left are much closer than one might otherwise predict or expect
It’s not desire. It’s making the best of it. Hopefully ‘excitement’ will make up for rapid relative decline.
If, from here, we get a major Tory split, a Labour membership revolt against the leadership and a very soft Brexit, or even none at all, it could just be that the last three years turn out to be worth it! Big if, though.
Ive done a bit of early morning drinking myself :-)
I did mine last night!
Off to your homeland next week with an ex-colleague from a place called Carryduff, or something like that. Do you know it? He is going to show me the North and we are going to drink a lot, I suspect.
Try this also (never a holiday from politics, is there)
Parallel universe: Leadsom wins the leadership and becomes PM.
How different would Brexit have turned out?
She would have crashed and burned earlier, losing her remainer wing and we'd be into a GE or Referendum by now.
I'm not so sure. She's proved a far better Leader of the House than May has proved a PM....
She would probably have told the EU to piss off on the negotiation structure. That could have gone either way. I also think it likely she would also have planned for No Deal from the off. That may have had early doors Cabinet resignations. But defections?
I suspect we would have had a Canada-style deal in the bag with Tusk. Ireland border would still be fun and games. But maybe with some more creative thinking....
Leadsome is still in the Cabinet as of time of writing so presumably accepts the outcome of May's negotiations. It seems to me therefore that she likely would have conceded on the same things.
This apparent future desire for Corbyn amongst some of the harder Brexit posters does show how the extremes of political right and left are much closer than one might otherwise predict or expect
It’s not desire. It’s making the best of it. Hopefully ‘excitement’ will make up for rapid relative decline.
Some people just want to pull the house down, if they don't get what they want. There was a burst of enthusiasm for Corbyn for some Remainers after the referendum.
I don't buy this "Corbyn now de facto PM" garbage.
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
People here are terribly keen to jump to conclusions. Those who put a smiley face at the end of their posts are generally just Farage smegma suckers.
May I thank all those who are inviting the masses of people to discover Das Kapital by Karl Marx, or even The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. By promoting the next potential Prime Minister as Marxist, many are going to be wanting to find out more about this "strange" previously "unknown" and definitely unpublicised philosophy. Now on sale on Amazon from 99p on Kindle and from £3.99 in paperback. You should take pride in your achievements in bringing down Capitalism and neo-liberalism. from the inside.
Alternatively, take a look at The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek, completely free to download thanks to those wonderful people at the IEA.
Well, this is going to be a fun day. Loads of Ministers no-one has ever heard of with no discernible achievements to their name impress us all with their ability to sign a letter.
It's been 6 months since a cabinet minister quit over Brexit. I expect that to change.
I'm not sure it will get better, but it will get worse for may first even if it works. But attempting compromise rather than pretend she can push through is the right stance at least. And of course she's pilloried for it. For showing weakness. Well she is weak, nothing has changed. Admitting it is first step to attempt to fix things though
Parallel universe: Leadsom wins the leadership and becomes PM.
How different would Brexit have turned out?
She would have crashed and burned earlier, losing her remainer wing and we'd be into a GE or Referendum by now.
I'm not so sure. She's proved a far better Leader of the House than May has proved a PM....
She would probably have told the EU to piss off on the negotiation structure. That could have gone either way. I also think it likely she would also have planned for No Deal from the off. That may have had early doors Cabinet resignations. But defections?
I suspect we would have had a Canada-style deal in the bag with Tusk. Ireland border would still be fun and games. But maybe with some more creative thinking....
Leadsome is still in the Cabinet as of time of writing so presumably accepts the outcome of May's negotiations. It seems to me therefore that she likely would have conceded on the same things.
I think, as I said, that many of the Cabinet are sitting back. Watching. Waiting.
Why is it ok for the ERG to vote with Corbyn to stop Mrs May's Brexit deal but Mrs May is evil for trying to get Corbyn's votes to pass a deal?
They regard it as him voting with them not the other way around. Also they're hypocrites.
Or they would no doubt say because they're voting with him was for the greater good of no deal while her asking him at all would be for greater evil of a bad deal.
That Army thing is scary if real. Almost Breivik like.
Yes, it's very disturbing.
It's so utterly unprofessional. I know some of the ex-military types on here laugh about it, but it's not the behaviour that we admire our armed forces for.
That Army thing is scary if real. Almost Breivik like.
Yes, it's very disturbing.
It's so utterly unprofessional. I know some of the ex-military types on here laugh about it, but it's not the behaviour that we admire our armed forces for.
I for one feel fine pontificating about the antics of the army in the hell hole that is Afghanistan from my safe comfy armchair etc etc...
That Army thing is scary if real. Almost Breivik like.
If you think we're in crisis now just wait until Corbyn becomes PM and the establishment try and "remove" him - Think we'd all better get into the brace position....
I don't buy this "Corbyn now de facto PM" garbage.
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
Agreed. It's a hung parliament, other votes are needed to pass things and you need to discuss it with people in that parliament. Its unusual to say the least to think the loto might pitch in, but on a national issue this big is not untoward.
Talk of legitimising him is crap as well. He already had a good chance if being PM, he got 40% of the vote and been leader for ages.
That Army thing is scary if real. Almost Breivik like.
Yes, it's very disturbing.
It's so utterly unprofessional. I know some of the ex-military types on here laugh about it, but it's not the behaviour that we admire our armed forces for.
I for one feel fine pontificating about the antics of the army in the hell hole that is Afghanistan from my safe comfy armchair etc etc...
Yes, I am sitting safely in my armchair, and I've (thankfully) not had to experience the sh*t some of these people have been through. But if that is used as an excuse, and this is seen as being fine and dandy, then where do you draw the line?
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Oh.
I'd expect the likes of Rudd to back him.
He'll deliver Brexit and one nation Toryism (see his early support for LGBT rights and stint as Justice Secretary) so he can unite the party.
That said his former campaign manager has left the Tory party so that's going to be a blow to his chances.
The ERG nutjobs getting exactly what they deserve . Overplayed their hand and clearly couldn’t count.
Opposition and just a small number of sane Tories trumps the lunatics .
Dream On!
https://twitter.com/theresa_may/status/865855578454806529
Surely having a discussion with the Leader of the Opposition to find a way of unlocking votes from his MPs, when you need to build a majority, is a world apart from saying "name your price, whatever it is I will pay it".
She's already said that if the two of them can't find a way through, it will go back to Parliament to decide.
Surely someone is going to resign soon... it's almost been four months now...
Anti-Corbyn sentiment is strong and pretty much unshakeable but in itself will probably not prevent a Labour majority. However many people recognise the difficulty of managing Brexit hence TM's reasonable ratings under the circumstances. If an election is avoided at the point of maximum Tory disarray who then regroup under a relatively sane leader that might be enough to stop a Lab majority or even win one. You also have to factor in that Corbyn could get this wrong now that he is more in the Brexit spotlight. The obvious dangers electorally are obvious game playing and nit-picking, pushing FOM hard (I like FOM but I think it is net negative for votes) and permanent CU dipping in popularity when the implications sink in. The PV issue is potentially big. If both parties are for or against then it is probably neutralised (an unlikely TIG + Lib Dem surge not withstanding). If the Tories wanted to damage Corbyn then they would engineer a Labour Tory split foisting the PV on to a reluctant May! Not likely though.
The actual election was heavily characterized by being shit at prime ministering but the decision to hold it made sense on available evidence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-47750471
I still think Truss is the girl for this
The General Election
2 years of being PM
She f**ked it all.
It was all about buying years.
"It's not that I don't trust you Jeremy, it's just.."
And until they do, I remain convinced that an extremist government of one type or other is around the corner.
https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/04/03/two-questions-on-how-we-lost-stormont-807-days-and-counting-ago/
Off to your homeland next week with an ex-colleague from a place called Carryduff, or something like that. Do you know it? He is going to show me the North and we are going to drink a lot, I suspect.
If you compromise about nothing, you get nothing.
small village in Co Down
near Strangford Lough which is worth a visit also if youre an NT member go to Mount Stewart the ancestral home of Lord Castlereagh - has some of the original chhairs from the Congress of Vienna. If youre a Game of Thrones fans there lots to see as NI is basically the set for Winterfell.
Otherwise if youre travelling, do the North Coast, Belfast and the Titanic, Mournes and drink and eat lots.
Hope you have a fun time
It does show a rather lack of serious thought on his part ...
https://viator.com/tours/Belfast/Belfast-Mural-Tour/d738-15965P1
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2019/04/03/01003-20190403ARTFIG00022-apres-la-demission-de-bouteflika-quelles-sont-les-prochaines-etapes-pour-l-algerie.php
https://iea.org.uk/publications/research/the-road-to-serfdom
Which of course Jezza doesn't want.
I'm not sure it will get better, but it will get worse for may first even if it works. But attempting compromise rather than pretend she can push through is the right stance at least. And of course she's pilloried for it. For showing weakness. Well she is weak, nothing has changed. Admitting it is first step to attempt to fix things though
Bit rich for the BBC to expect me to pay my licence fee when my favoured political leader is so shamelessly disrespected.
Or they would no doubt say because they're voting with him was for the greater good of no deal while her asking him at all would be for greater evil of a bad deal.
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1113389869122895873
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1113389992439627776
Or NI.
Talk of legitimising him is crap as well. He already had a good chance if being PM, he got 40% of the vote and been leader for ages.