Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
Is that a hint that the government will offer the House those two options? She's right on the substantive point, of course.
Wasn't there a suggestion a few months ago of doing votes on various combinations of deal vs. remain, deal vs. referendum etc. to test the mood of the house?
As the husband of a headteacher I demand you withdraw that slur.
If May were a headteacher, her school would be in special measures and would be forcibly taken over by an academy chain. You know, a large organisation that groups together several individual institutions within one overarching management, on occasion criticised for being remote and unresponsive, but it does at least bail out the institutions and stop them going embarrassingly tits-up.
Nope, the parallels escape me.
Full disclosure: I'm a school leader.
It did put me in mind of the speech to staff on an INSET day in September following a poor set of Key Stage 4 outcomes, in the year a full OFSTED inspection is expected.
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
Is that a hint that the government will offer the House those two options? She's right on the substantive point, of course.
The Kyle amendment is perfect for her. She should have gone for that.
A free vote on the Tory side means 'no deal' is going to get rejected by some humongous margin. The key thing then will be the amendments on the extension, which I expect will include various possible durations, but the EU are now in control of the process.
Again the No Deal vote is utterly meaningless. The only vote that natters at this point is the extension time. And once we get to the end of that if we do not pass a deal or extend again then we will leave without a deal no matter how many times Parliament votes against it.
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
Is that a hint that the government will offer the House those two options? She's right on the substantive point, of course.
What's "a referendum" though? Remain v Leave (whatever that is)? Remain v No Deal? Remain v Deal? Deal v No Deal? All three? What about Norway or Canada?
So how many Cabinet ministers on each side of the no deal vote?
I'm betting that Hunt and Javid will vote in both lobbies, just to make sure they appeal to each wing of the party. (Yes, I know the clerks register that as abstaining.)
Yeah I thought he got it all wrong. He should have sympathised with Theresa May. He seemed prepped to hammer her for going back on her promise on the votes, and then couldn't readjust.
In any event, this needs to reach the 'something else' stage by Thursday night. May simply cannot be allowed to go back to the EU with a proposal to discuss the backstop some more during an extension.
Whether an internal Tory coup, a VoNC/GE, a voluntary resignation by May or, heaven forbid, her coming up with an actual plan B, I don't too much care.
How about the 1316 Papal Conclave solution?
I think bricking the door up and allowing them only bread and water until they can make up what passes for their minds has a lot to recommend it at this moment.
How about bricking the door up and not allowing them the bread and water
Yes completely. Putting forth a rejected deal without changes was completely delusional.
I think we just have to give up and accept that we are not leaving. This displacement activity is tiresome.
What do you think that does to the tory party?
Who cares? They are finished and completely unfit to govern.
The priceless irony of Corbyn's election in 2015 was that it came about because Labour members were convinced they couldn't win and so fancied ideological purity for a bit.
If they had compromised and gone for centrism, they'd be back in power by now. As it is we have a useless government and a useless and vile opposition.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Yeah I thought he got it all wrong. He should have sympathised with Theresa May. He seemed prepped to hammer her for going back on her promise on the votes, and then couldn't readjust.
He just isn't very bright. As I have said before, the most useless leader of the opposition since the Marquis of Granby.
Yeah I thought he got it all wrong. He should have sympathised with Theresa May. He seemed prepped to hammer her for going back on her promise on the votes, and then couldn't readjust.
If Corbyn backs away from referendum now he is toast
A free vote on the Tory side means 'no deal' is going to get rejected by some humongous margin. The key thing then will be the amendments on the extension, which I expect will include various possible durations, but the EU are now in control of the process.
Again the No Deal vote is utterly meaningless. The only vote that natters at this point is the extension time. And once we get to the end of that if we do not pass a deal or extend again then we will leave without a deal no matter how many times Parliament votes against it.
Surely it's incredibly meaningful if it passes, as it then becomes government policy to go down that route?
It's unlikely to, of course, with no more than 150-200 in favour of it - in which case it's a completely meaningless outcome.
I was wrong. I thought ERG would recognise last chance saloon when in one. I don’t understand.
The brexit on the table from May and Eu was a hard brexit, not a soft brexit. Brexiteers pushed it all the way to wring out every ounce of hard brexit. But then they didn’t cash in. They didn’t take the lolly. I don’t understand it. I really don’t understand how the ERG could take it all the way to get hardest brexit they are ever going to get, and not bank it. The moment to switch from poker face to walking out with the pot was there, and they didn’t take it. They are now alone at the table with no money on it. I don’t understand them.
In this years brexit ref it’s 20 million remain, 14 million or less for leave, . It’s a long way back for brexiteers from this moment. tell me I’m wrong. If science is true and unique golden brexit generation is dying off, There may never be a way back for brexit.
Brexit was hard won. It was there on the table for them to walk off with and they didn’t take it. I don’t understand.
A free vote on the Tory side means 'no deal' is going to get rejected by some humongous margin. The key thing then will be the amendments on the extension, which I expect will include various possible durations, but the EU are now in control of the process.
Again the No Deal vote is utterly meaningless. The only vote that natters at this point is the extension time. And once we get to the end of that if we do not pass a deal or extend again then we will leave without a deal no matter how many times Parliament votes against it.
Nope the Commons will vote for an extension and ultimately a Remain v Deal referendum over No Deal that is what tomorrow's vote proves, Brexit will be on life support by this time tomorrow night
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
First time May has suggested revoking as a possibility.
Yeah I thought he got it all wrong. He should have sympathised with Theresa May. He seemed prepped to hammer her for going back on her promise on the votes, and then couldn't readjust.
If Corbyn backs away from referendum now he is toast
So how many Cabinet ministers on each side of the no deal vote?
That's why it's a free vote - a whip on either side would have seen dozens of resignations!
A free vote on the most important issue facing the country today is the ultimate abdication of responsibility on the part of the Tories. It becomes much harder to see how they can survive.
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
Is that a hint that the government will offer the House those two options? She's right on the substantive point, of course.
First sensible thing that she has said in months, possibly longer.
A free vote on the Tory side means 'no deal' is going to get rejected by some humongous margin. The key thing then will be the amendments on the extension, which I expect will include various possible durations, but the EU are now in control of the process.
The EU have been in control of the process since May took over.
The EU is stable and backed by 27 countries, the UK government has been totally chaotic throughout. Of course the EU have been in control from the start.
So how many Cabinet ministers on each side of the no deal vote?
That's why it's a free vote - a whip on either side would have seen dozens of resignations!
A free vote on the most important issue facing the country today is the ultimate abdication of responsibility on the part of the Tories. It becomes much harder to see how they can survive.
Surely such a vote shouldn't be whipped. If it's so important people should vote on what they think is right, not what the whip tells them is right.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
I am genuinely stunned. The ERG are morons. Utter morons.
Quite a few of us have been pointing that out for quite a few weeks.
I can imagine it might be hard for a leftie to realise how unfit for purpose the Conservatives are just as it might be hard for a rightie to understand how unfit for purpose Labour are.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Not an iota of change to the backstop was changed.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
First time May has suggested revoking as a possibility.
Congratulations, ERG.
Eh? She's suggested No Brexit as a possibility for months?
Plaid says TM has offered deal, referendum or revoke when Corbyn witters on about his unicorn deal ignoring a referendum
Some achievement if Corbyn rains on remainers who then actually support May instead.....
On the night when the government can't pass their key policy and are in tatters, the Remain Twitter Media are all gunning for Corbyn! He really does have a good knack of annoying everyone.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Did you miss the Attorney General's statement this morning? The backstop was not dealt with yesterday.
The EU didn't compromise on the backstop, if they won't then why should we?
Yvette Cooper and Pete Wishart (SNP) amongst others trying to goad Leadsom into promising that there will be a govt bill to rule out no deal if there's a no-no-deal vote. Leadsom playing everything with a very dead bat.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Not an iota of change to the backstop was changed.
Perhaps not, but the fact that it would be impossible to permanently trap the UK in it against its will was very clearly demonstrated. They have quite possibly thrown away Brexit on a legal irrelevance.
I suspect the HoC will vote for a technical exit (stay in customs union and single market) or a 2nd referendum, neither of which the current administration will be able to enact.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Not an iota of change to the backstop was changed.
Perhaps not, but the fact that it would be impossible to permanently trap the UK in it against its will was very clearly demonstrated. They have quite possibly thrown away Brexit on a legal irrelevance.
No it wasn't. The final paragraph showed that was entirely possible.
I suspect the HoC will vote for a technical exit (stay in customs union and single market) or a 2nd referendum, neither of which the current administration will be able to enact.
I suspect the HoC will vote for a technical exit (stay in customs union and single market) or a 2nd referendum, neither of which the current administration will be able to enact.
With the EU seemingly clear no extension beyond May.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Did you miss the Attorney General's statement this morning? The backstop was not dealt with yesterday.
The EU didn't compromise on the backstop, if they won't then why should we?
Wrong, even Cox had said the EU 'had reduced the risk the UK would be trapped in the backstop.'
Rejection of the Deal makes a strong possibility the complete cancellation of Brexit
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
If she resigned she'd be replaced within 24 hours.
If the Commons has a whopping majority against leaving with no deal, the Govt says well there's no better deal out there then presumably the logical next step of the Govt is to ask for an extension in order to either have another referendum and/or to put a vote to the commons for revocation of article 50 asap?
The options TMay laid out after losing tonight only lead one way? I don't see Brexit happening now.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
If a change in date needs to pass the Lords there is potential for a filibuster there, I think.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Who cares what Leadsom does, over half the Cabinet would resign without a No Deal vote.
The only plan Mogg seems to be succeeding in bringing closer is getting Brexit cancelled
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
If she resigned she'd be replaced within 24 hours.
I suspect the HoC will vote for a technical exit (stay in customs union and single market) or a 2nd referendum, neither of which the current administration will be able to enact.
With the EU seemingly clear no extension beyond May.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Did you miss the Attorney General's statement this morning? The backstop was not dealt with yesterday.
The EU didn't compromise on the backstop, if they won't then why should we?
Wrong, even Cox had said the EU 'had reduced the risk the UK would be trapped in the backstop.'
Rejection of the Deal makes a strong possibility the complete cancellation of Brexit
Wrong, reducing the risk does not eliminate the risk. As Cox made clear, it was in his own words "unchanged".
19. However, the legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement.
Voting for an extension does not solve the problems the government faces. The EU will want to know if the UK wants to revoke article 50 or if it wants a referendum. Those are choices the house must now face.
Is that a hint that the government will offer the House those two options? She's right on the substantive point, of course.
What's "a referendum" though? Remain v Leave (whatever that is)? Remain v No Deal? Remain v Deal? Deal v No Deal? All three? What about Norway or Canada?
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
The backstop was effectively dealt with yesterday but the fanatics still would not compromise, now they will have to find out the hard way, if they will not compromise nor will Remainers
Not an iota of change to the backstop was changed.
Perhaps not, but the fact that it would be impossible to permanently trap the UK in it against its will was very clearly demonstrated. They have quite possibly thrown away Brexit on a legal irrelevance.
I am not so sure Nigel, it was just weaselly words , no change to them having us by the goolies. It was purely a legal; document confirming the other documents and clear by the way Juncker emphasised it, that it was irrelevant change at best.
I suspect the HoC will vote for a technical exit (stay in customs union and single market) or a 2nd referendum, neither of which the current administration will be able to enact.
With the EU seemingly clear no extension beyond May.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Who cares what Leadsom does, over half the Cabinet would resign without a No Deal vote.
The only plan Mogg seems to be succeeding in bringing closer is getting Brexit cancelled
To stop no deal the government has to pass legislation. That is hard to do against the clock if the government is not functioning. Could the governments attempt to amend the leaving date be disrupted by guerilla tactics by Leavers in the govt or the backbenches?
If the Commons has a whopping majority against leaving with no deal, the Govt says well there's no better deal out there then presumably the logical next step of the Govt is to ask for an extension in order to either have another referendum and/or to put a vote to the commons for revocation of article 50 asap?
The options TMay laid out after losing tonight only lead one way? I don't see Brexit happening now.
No its over and the anti-democrats have won. May will be directed to revoke Article 50 within the next few days.
Sigh. No it really isn't. What will be surrender is ending up staying in the EU because the headbangers were unwilling to compromise on anything but the purists of Brexits.
The deal without a backstop still wouldn't have been the purist of the Brexits. There were a number of other objections to the deal such as committing to spending billions without any trade agreement sorted first. However Brexiteers were willing to compromise on all their other objections so long as just one objection was resolved. The EU refused to compromise on anything.
Sorry but bricking up the English Channel would not have been enough for some in the ERG, if they tend up with the revocation of Article 50 and no Brexit at all it will be no more than they deserve
Sorry but that's ludicrous hyperbole. There was a vote on backing the deal if the backstop was dealt with and there were only 8 Tory headbanger MPs who opposed that. They were:
Heidi Allen, Guto Bebb, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, Phillip Lee, Anne Marie Morris, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston
Absolutely all of those are extremists but the only extremist on that list from the ERG is I believe Anne Marie Morris.
Can the ERG etc filibusters removing no deal or changing the date in Brexit legislation? Genuine question. They will need to talk it out for about a week.
No, as May has granted the vote
What if the Leavers like Leadsom resigned from the cabinet In a week or two creating a crisis in the governments mechanics? Hard to schedule legislation in time if the government is not functioning.
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Support a vote of no confidence in the Government? If they brought down May without an extension then it would be a No Deal Brexit.
If the Commons has a whopping majority against leaving with no deal, the Govt says well there's no better deal out there then presumably the logical next step of the Govt is to ask for an extension in order to either have another referendum and/or to put a vote to the commons for revocation of article 50 asap?
The options TMay laid out after losing tonight only lead one way? I don't see Brexit happening now.
No its over and the anti-democrats have won. May will be directed to revoke Article 50 within the next few days.
Better than this deal.
If so we get a new PM and then they can invoked A50 again and this time plan all along for No Deal if we can't get an acceptable one, as this PM should have done from the start.
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It did put me in mind of the speech to staff on an INSET day in September following a poor set of Key Stage 4 outcomes, in the year a full OFSTED inspection is expected.
He seemed prepped to hammer her for going back on her promise on the votes, and then couldn't readjust.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1105211895777292288?s=19
Couldn't stem the bleeding
80 noes from ERG
Stopped May's deal succeeding
We're staying in, we're staying in, we're staying
Britain's staying in...
It's unlikely to, of course, with no more than 150-200 in favour of it - in which case it's a completely meaningless outcome.
The brexit on the table from May and Eu was a hard brexit, not a soft brexit. Brexiteers pushed it all the way to wring out every ounce of hard brexit. But then they didn’t cash in. They didn’t take the lolly. I don’t understand it. I really don’t understand how the ERG could take it all the way to get hardest brexit they are ever going to get, and not bank it. The moment to switch from poker face to walking out with the pot was there, and they didn’t take it. They are now alone at the table with no money on it. I don’t understand them.
In this years brexit ref it’s 20 million remain, 14 million or less for leave, . It’s a long way back for brexiteers from this moment. tell me I’m wrong. If science is true and unique golden brexit generation is dying off, There may never be a way back for brexit.
Brexit was hard won. It was there on the table for them to walk off with and they didn’t take it. I don’t understand.
Congratulations, ERG.
Is @dots available for his insights?
Edit: I see he is! credit to him/her/preferred personal pronoun.
I can imagine it might be hard for a leftie to realise how unfit for purpose the Conservatives are just as it might be hard for a rightie to understand how unfit for purpose Labour are.
EU are kings now
The EU didn't compromise on the backstop, if they won't then why should we?
Mogg looks like he has a plan. I wonder what it is.
Will consider a request to extend - but want a plan
Quite incredible.
Quite predictable.
Rejection of the Deal makes a strong possibility the complete cancellation of Brexit
The options TMay laid out after losing tonight only lead one way? I don't see Brexit happening now.
The only plan Mogg seems to be succeeding in bringing closer is getting Brexit cancelled
19. However, the legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1105556461290225665
He's a posturer.
Presumably a stronger Labour vote against too.
If so we get a new PM and then they can invoked A50 again and this time plan all along for No Deal if we can't get an acceptable one, as this PM should have done from the start.