Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
How many of 7 had already lost a VONC from their CLPs
CL - Yes CU - Yes AS - Yes GS - Yes AC - ? LB - 2 tabled but withdrawn MG - ?
As one who strives for hard-left, anti-furrinner, illiberal socialist purity in the party, you must consider today's events another milestone passed in your struggle.
FPT, although the first point has now been addressed in the header:
If my maths is right this means that Labour has now lost more than half of its gains at the 2017 GE.
On the main story of the day: I have never voted for a Labour candidate (although I was seriously tempted last time as my MP is Steve Baker, but the rumbles on PB that it was going to be much closer than anybody expected meant I couldn’t risk it) but the prospect of a Labour Party (or replacement) that is actually electable is vital for our democracy. The prospect that Corbyn is electable would be even worse.
As was pointed out in the previous thread (possibly to you ?) a not insignificant part of the Tory vote depends on the keep Corbyn out argument. It now might get interesting for reluctant Tories.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
I thought they said that they wouldn't stand in their existing constituencies, but in marginal seats?
What do you think the Conservative party offers Remain voters beyond the prospect of keeping out Jeremy Corbyn?
Maybe we're staying as a 2 party system, but instead of Left/Right it'll be Pro/Anti EU. Deep joy.
In the long term I wonder if it may actually become Young v Old, though Pro/Anti EU is a decent proxy for now
The short term is anybody's guess, until brexit is done at any rate.
In the long term, I would expect a return to more traditional left/right politics with the real battle ground in the centre. I would hope that the more extremes of left and right are sidelined once the brexit dust has settled.
Incidentally my brief point FPT is unanswered: does this group get funding without being a formal party?
You’d certainly need to be a registered party to claim Short Money after an election, when it’s allocated for the whole Parliament - what might happen before that is mostly at the discretion of the Speaker. Labour would certainly argue that 150 independent MPs don’t have the right to call themselves the Official Opposition, for example.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Useless fact: all of those seats with Conservative until 1979 and/or 1983.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Useless fact: all of those seats with Conservative until 1979 and/or 1983.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
I thought they said that they wouldn't stand in their existing constituencies, but in marginal seats?
Hmm - Whats the point of that ? TIG start on precisely 0 votes in each seat, plenty of potential targets are already Lib Dem territory (OXWAB). Finchley and Golders Green might be worth a pop I suppose, but no seat is marginal wrt TIG at the moment
What do you think the Conservative party offers Remain voters beyond the prospect of keeping out Jeremy Corbyn?
Given that Corbyn is also a leaver, that is enough.
Perhaps no longer.
I voted remain reluctantly and would be very unhappy with a “we can’t leave because it’s too difficult” outcome. A party whose sole aim was to reverse Brexit would not get my vote unless, with a certain irony I admit, I knew it would get rid of my MP while running no risk of forming a government.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Useless fact: all of those seats with Conservative until 1979 and/or 1983.
Simply a combination of the changing demographics of urban Britain together with the Tories pandering toward the shires.
How many of 7 had already lost a VONC from their CLPs
CL - Yes CU - Yes AS - Yes GS - Yes AC - ? LB - 2 tabled but withdrawn MG - ?
It's a chicken and egg question. Would they have quit without the VONC pushing them? Conversely, do the VONCers now feel their scepticism has been validated?
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
I thought they said that they wouldn't stand in their existing constituencies, but in marginal seats?
Hmm - Whats the point of that ? TIG start on precisely 0 votes in each seat, plenty of potential targets are already Lib Dem territory (OXWAB). Finchley and Golders Green might be worth a pop I suppose, but no seat is marginal wrt TIG at the moment
I think their only market is wealthy liberals/lefties - but those people are disproportionately concentrated in ultra-safe Labour seats.
One of the few exceptions is Kensington - the "Independents" might have an outside chance of sneaking a win on a 3-way split vote there.
It is far from clear that even in a marginal seat that this group would hot the Labour vote more than the Tories.Quite a few voters have reluctantly stayed with the Tories for fear of seeing a Corbyn -led Govt elected , and might well respond to this message - as might others considering supporting the LibDems.
How many of 7 had already lost a VONC from their CLPs
CL - Yes CU - Yes AS - Yes GS - Yes AC - ? LB - 2 tabled but withdrawn MG - ?
And how’s that working out for Labour ?
The minimum Lab should expect is that their elected representatives should be able to say is that they would prefer a Lab Govt under Jezza than a Tory one under TM.
Unfortunately the not so magnificent 7 even couldnt meet this minimum requirement.
I very much doubt Boles and Grieve would join this. At the end of the day, they’re not social democrats.
Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston I could absolutely see jumping.
It looks very Coalition politics to me. I would have thought a number of liberal Conservatives would be quite comfortable with it.
Boles has said he’s a national liberal in the past; I doubt he’d agree with this group on taxation or radical public services reform.
Grieve is actually rather socially and fiscally conservative, if rather liberal on crime & justice and one nation on everything else, including the EU.
What a fantastic day for the Conservative Party. Nice one Jeremy!
That said, Corbyn gets his wish for perpetual opposition. Power without responsibility!
I don't agree. It's impossible to know what twists and turns this will take. What we know is that most voters are somewhere in the centre but both major party leaderships are at the extreme. (The Tories more than Labour). This could well kill the Labour Party but equally it could be irrelevant.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
I thought they said that they wouldn't stand in their existing constituencies, but in marginal seats?
Hmm - Whats the point of that ? TIG start on precisely 0 votes in each seat, plenty of potential targets are already Lib Dem territory (OXWAB). Finchley and Golders Green might be worth a pop I suppose, but no seat is marginal wrt TIG at the moment
I think their only market is wealthy liberals/lefties - but those people are disproportionately concentrated in ultra-safe Labour seats.
One of the few exceptions is Kensington - the "Independents" might have an outside chance of sneaking a win on a 3-way split vote there.
I think you underestimate how utterly sick of blue red and yellow Brexit, expenses etc have made people. Swamp draining incoming
The events of this morning have reinforced what I have been thinking for some time - that despite the cchaos that has been the government in recent times, Theresa May could end up in an unbelievably strong position in a couple of months.
Furthermore, as someone who believes that a deal is by far the best (or least worst) outcome, I feel that May is finally going about this the right way. I have tried to "war game" her strategy and have concluded the following:
1. Her ultimate goal is to put a deal to parliament with a compromise on the backstop. Thanks to the Brady amendment, she knows that this would have parliamentary backing and she is therefore able to tell the EU in clear terms what they need to do.
2. As can be seen from the EU reaction to the prospect of No Deal in recent weeks, putting forward No Deal as the only alternative gives the EU incentive to negotiate in a collaborative manner.
3. Even in the event that she is unable to gain any kind of concession from the EU, the Spelman Amendment shows that there is a parliamentary majority against No Deal, so if she were to present any deal to parliament at the last minute with No Deal as the only alternative then she is also likely to win.
4. While an extension to pass various bills may be required once a deal is agreed, an extension to negotiate a deal is both pointless (as we are only arguing one detail) and counterproductive, as unless she gets a full concession from the EU she needs the time pressure to get her deal through.
5. The above only works if No Deal is the alternative position. Removing No Deal removes all incentive for the EU to negotiate collaboratively and allows MPs hoping to remain to vote it down.
6. If all of the above fails the EU is sure to grant an extension in order for both sides to avoid No Deal. I do not think for a minute that May is happy to allow No Deal to happen and may be forced down the referendum route.
For those reasons, so long as she sticks to her negotiating principles, I expect a deal to be passed, which while flawed, is already seen as by far the least worst option in polls. A deal will, I expect, keep the tory party together while the labour party is hopelessly split.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Useless fact: all of those seats with Conservative until 1979 and/or 1983.
Bar Nottingham East the seats were Tory-held until 1992 - though boundaries have changed.Wavertree disappeared in 1983 but was brought back as a bigger seat in 1997.
What a fantastic day for the Conservative Party. Nice one Jeremy!
That said, Corbyn gets his wish for perpetual opposition. Power without responsibility!
I don't agree. It's impossible to know what twists and turns this will take. What we know is that most voters are somewhere in the centre but both major party leaderships are at the extreme. (The Tories more than Labour). This could well kill the Labour Party but equally it could be irrelevant.
No if I were Mrs May I would be hill walking in Snowdonia this week.
What do you think the Conservative party offers Remain voters beyond the prospect of keeping out Jeremy Corbyn?
I’d say a lot of Conservative Remain voters were more Conservative than Remain, accept we are leaving and would rather a Conservative govt than risk a Labour one by voting for people whose sole aim is stopping Brexit.
A lot of whining from some on social media about the seven but if Corbyn would have respected the party conference motion then this wouldn’t have happened .
The events of this morning have reinforced what I have been thinking for some time - that despite the cchaos that has been the government in recent times, Theresa May could end up in an unbelievably strong position in a couple of months.
Furthermore, as someone who believes that a deal is by far the best (or least worst) outcome, I feel that May is finally going about this the right way. I have tried to "war game" her strategy and have concluded the following:
1. Her ultimate goal is to put a deal to parliament with a compromise on the backstop. Thanks to the Brady amendment, she knows that this would have parliamentary backing and she is therefore able to tell the EU in clear terms what they need to do.
2. As can be seen from the EU reaction to the prospect of No Deal in recent weeks, putting forward No Deal as the only alternative gives the EU incentive to negotiate in a collaborative manner.
3. Even in the event that she is unable to gain any kind of concession from the EU, the Spelman Amendment shows that there is a parliamentary majority against No Deal, so if she were to present any deal to parliament at the last minute with No Deal as the only alternative then she is also likely to win.
4. While an extension to pass various bills may be required once a deal is agreed, an extension to negotiate a deal is both pointless (as we are only arguing one detail) and counterproductive, as unless she gets a full concession from the EU she needs the time pressure to get her deal through.
5. The above only works if No Deal is the alternative position. Removing No Deal removes all incentive for the EU to negotiate collaboratively and allows MPs hoping to remain to vote it down.
6. If all of the above fails the EU is sure to grant an extension in order for both sides to avoid No Deal. I do not think for a minute that May is happy to allow No Deal to happen and may be forced down the referendum route.
For those reasons, so long as she sticks to her negotiating principles, I expect a deal to be passed, which while flawed, is already seen as by far the least worst option in polls. A deal will, I expect, keep the tory party together while the labour party is hopelessly split.
Agree 99%.
The 1% where I don't is on your point 6.
You think her last resort is to offer REF2. I think it is to call a GE.
If the Seven did stand down to face bye-elections, what would that do to the parliamentary arithmetic in the run up to Brexit? Is this a good reason why they won’t?
How many of 7 had already lost a VONC from their CLPs
CL - Yes CU - Yes AS - Yes GS - Yes AC - ? LB - 2 tabled but withdrawn MG - ?
And how’s that working out for Labour ?
The minimum Lab should expect is that their elected representatives should be able to say is that they would prefer a Lab Govt under Jezza than a Tory one under TM.
Unfortunately the not so magnificent 7 even couldnt meet this minimum requirement.
You forget that had Umunna not withdrawn his leadership campaign he would almost certainly have been chosen.
I very much doubt Boles and Grieve would join this. At the end of the day, they’re not social democrats.
Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston I could absolutely see jumping.
It looks very Coalition politics to me. I would have thought a number of liberal Conservatives would be quite comfortable with it.
Boles has said he’s a national liberal in the past; I doubt he’d agree with this group on taxation or radical public services reform.
Grieve is actually rather socially and fiscally conservative, if rather liberal on crime & justice and one nation on everything else, including the EU.
If the "deselect Boles" train starts gathering pace, then he may decide that there are worse options than joining a new centrist group and helping shape it. End of the day, most of the current "independent Labour" MPs were facing deselection bids and effectively jumped before being pushed. I see no reason why that logic shouldn't translate over to the Government benches.
What do you think the Conservative party offers Remain voters beyond the prospect of keeping out Jeremy Corbyn?
I’d say a lot of Conservative Remain voters were more Conservative than Remain, accept we are leaving and would rather a Conservative govt than risk a Labour one by voting for people whose sole aim is stopping Brexit.
That looks like wishful thinking to me, straight from the school that thinks Labour Leavers are magically more Leavers than Labour but Conservative Remainers prioritise party loyalty. But polling shows that voters' Brexit identity is self-perceived to be stronger than their party identity and that a plurality of voters do not see a party that represents them.
Conservative Remainers that have stuck with the Conservative party today are either doing so out of fear of Jeremy Corbyn or Stockholm Syndrome.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." .....
“Chávez, with good reason, was suspicious of the country’s traditional business elite, so he created a new one,” says Scharfenburg. “Through its government connections the new elite amassed huge fortunes, both by over-billing state entities and through preferential access to dollars, which became a huge opportunity for self-enrichment.”
In 2003 Chávez pegged the bolivar, the national currency, to the US dollar. As the bolivar devalued in real terms, huge arbitrage options opened up for individuals and companies who could buy dollars at the official rate and sell them on the black market, often at over 100 times their purchase value.
With a dollarized economy, visa-free travel and a financial sector with a habit of turning a blind eye, Panama – along with Miami, Spain and Nicaragua – became a favourite destination for offshore investment and, for a while, the boligburgues could lead their often ostentatious retirements undisturbed.
The events of this morning have reinforced what I have been thinking for some time - that despite the cchaos that has been the government in recent times, Theresa May could end up in an unbelievably strong position in a couple of months.
Furthermore, as someone who believes that a deal is by far the best (or least worst) outcome, I feel that May is finally going about this the right way. I have tried to "war game" her strategy and have concluded the following:
1. Her ultimate goal is to put a deal to parliament with a compromise on the backstop. Thanks to the Brady amendment, she knows that this would have parliamentary backing and she is therefore able to tell the EU in clear terms what they need to do.
2. As can be seen from the EU reaction to the prospect of No Deal in recent weeks, putting forward No Deal as the only alternative gives the EU incentive to negotiate in a collaborative manner.
3. Even in the event that she is unable to gain any kind of concession from the EU, the Spelman Amendment shows that there is a parliamentary majority against No Deal, so if she were to present any deal to parliament at the last minute with No Deal as the only alternative then she is also likely to win.
4. While an extension to pass various bills may be required once a deal is agreed, an extension to negotiate a deal is both pointless (as we are only arguing one detail) and counterproductive, as unless she gets a full concession from the EU she needs the time pressure to get her deal through.
5. The above only works if No Deal is the alternative position. Removing No Deal removes all incentive for the EU to negotiate collaboratively and allows MPs hoping to remain to vote it down.
6. If all of the above fails the EU is sure to grant an extension in order for both sides to avoid No Deal. I do not think for a minute that May is happy to allow No Deal to happen and may be forced down the referendum route.
For those reasons, so long as she sticks to her negotiating principles, I expect a deal to be passed, which while flawed, is already seen as by far the least worst option in polls. A deal will, I expect, keep the tory party together while the labour party is hopelessly split.
That sounds about right. We end up with an amended deal with a limited backstop passing at the last minute in March, following which the Tories go back to the rest of the things government needs to do, and Labour go back to arguing with each other over how it’s not really racism if it’s against Jews.
If the Seven did stand down to face bye-elections, what would that do to the parliamentary arithmetic in the run up to Brexit? Is this a good reason why they won’t?
Short answer, 7 Labour holds. Penistone is more interesting than the others (Possible outside chance of a Tory gain), as standing independents though I think they'd all probably lose.
A lot of whining from some on social media about the seven but if Corbyn would have respected the party conference motion then this wouldn’t have happened .
He is a 2nd Referendum is still on the table and will be a last resort if TM doesnt cave in to #CorbynsCustomsUnion.
Looking at the TIG seats individually one sticks out,
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour Nottingham East, very very safe Labour Luton South, very safe Labour Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Useless fact: all of those seats with Conservative until 1979 and/or 1983.
Bar Nottingham East the seats were Tory-held until 1992 - though boundaries have changed.Wavertree disappeared in 1983 but was brought back as a bigger seat in 1997.
The Tories probably would have lost Wavertree in 1983 or 1987 given the big anti-Tory swing in Liverpool at that time.
What do you think the Conservative party offers Remain voters beyond the prospect of keeping out Jeremy Corbyn?
I’d say a lot of Conservative Remain voters were more Conservative than Remain, accept we are leaving and would rather a Conservative govt than risk a Labour one by voting for people whose sole aim is stopping Brexit.
I am a conservative member but not planning to vote Tory again to show my extreme displeasure with this hard right capture of the party. If I, who has delivered leaflets for the tories is looking to move I would suggest I am not alone
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Meanwhile, 946 hours to Brexit.
A prize for recognising the town in the aerial photo?
Center of what exactly?
Penistone and Stocksbridge - ultramarginal
Stockport, very safe Labour
Wavertree, ultrasafe Labour
Ilford South, ultrasafe Labour
Nottingham East, very very safe Labour
Luton South, very safe Labour
Streatham, ultrasafe Labour
So only Smith might give the Tories a seat if she runs next time round; I'd expect the rest to be safe Labour holds even if the MPs ran as independents. I doubt any of them can win without the Labour mark.
Deep joy.
Colours Grey
CL - Yes
CU - Yes
AS - Yes
GS - Yes
AC - ?
LB - 2 tabled but withdrawn
MG - ?
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-15/could-a-seemingly-inevitable-split-in-the-labour-party-be-the-next-outcome-of-brexit/
If my maths is right this means that Labour has now lost more than half of its gains at the 2017 GE.
On the main story of the day: I have never voted for a Labour candidate (although I was seriously tempted last time as my MP is Steve Baker, but the rumbles on PB that it was going to be much closer than anybody expected meant I couldn’t risk it) but the prospect of a Labour Party (or replacement) that is actually electable is vital for our democracy. The prospect that Corbyn is electable would be even worse.
Given that Corbyn is also a leaver, that is enough.
It now might get interesting for reluctant Tories.
In the long term, I would expect a return to more traditional left/right politics with the real battle ground in the centre. I would hope that the more extremes of left and right are sidelined once the brexit dust has settled.
That said, Corbyn gets his wish for perpetual opposition. Power without responsibility!
Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston I could absolutely see jumping.
Now Adam Langlethingy
If only Corbyn hadnt completely ignored AS
https://twitter.com/the_awakend/status/1029685536951345152
Finchley and Golders Green might be worth a pop I suppose, but no seat is marginal wrt TIG at the moment
That’s what pushed them.
What else had they to lose?
Corbyn would be happy one suspects for the splits to continue down to total purity with just him on the allotment.
One of the few exceptions is Kensington - the "Independents" might have an outside chance of sneaking a win on a 3-way split vote there.
Unfortunately the not so magnificent 7 even couldnt meet this minimum requirement.
Grieve is actually rather socially and fiscally conservative, if rather liberal on crime & justice and one nation on everything else, including the EU.
Furthermore, as someone who believes that a deal is by far the best (or least worst) outcome, I feel that May is finally going about this the right way. I have tried to "war game" her strategy and have concluded the following:
1. Her ultimate goal is to put a deal to parliament with a compromise on the backstop. Thanks to the Brady amendment, she knows that this would have parliamentary backing and she is therefore able to tell the EU in clear terms what they need to do.
2. As can be seen from the EU reaction to the prospect of No Deal in recent weeks, putting forward No Deal as the only alternative gives the EU incentive to negotiate in a collaborative manner.
3. Even in the event that she is unable to gain any kind of concession from the EU, the Spelman Amendment shows that there is a parliamentary majority against No Deal, so if she were to present any deal to parliament at the last minute with No Deal as the only alternative then she is also likely to win.
4. While an extension to pass various bills may be required once a deal is agreed, an extension to negotiate a deal is both pointless (as we are only arguing one detail) and counterproductive, as unless she gets a full concession from the EU she needs the time pressure to get her deal through.
5. The above only works if No Deal is the alternative position. Removing No Deal removes all incentive for the EU to negotiate collaboratively and allows MPs hoping to remain to vote it down.
6. If all of the above fails the EU is sure to grant an extension in order for both sides to avoid No Deal. I do not think for a minute that May is happy to allow No Deal to happen and may be forced down the referendum route.
For those reasons, so long as she sticks to her negotiating principles, I expect a deal to be passed, which while flawed, is already seen as by far the least worst option in polls. A deal will, I expect, keep the tory party together while the labour party is hopelessly split.
The Conservative Party are very wise to it.
I've seen stirring by loons like Banks who aren't even Tories. Nothing by actual Tories.
The 1% where I don't is on your point 6.
You think her last resort is to offer REF2. I think it is to call a GE.
Conservative Remainers that have stuck with the Conservative party today are either doing so out of fear of Jeremy Corbyn or Stockholm Syndrome.
“Chávez, with good reason, was suspicious of the country’s traditional business elite, so he created a new one,” says Scharfenburg. “Through its government connections the new elite amassed huge fortunes, both by over-billing state entities and through preferential access to dollars, which became a huge opportunity for self-enrichment.”
In 2003 Chávez pegged the bolivar, the national currency, to the US dollar. As the bolivar devalued in real terms, huge arbitrage options opened up for individuals and companies who could buy dollars at the official rate and sell them on the black market, often at over 100 times their purchase value.
With a dollarized economy, visa-free travel and a financial sector with a habit of turning a blind eye, Panama – along with Miami, Spain and Nicaragua – became a favourite destination for offshore investment and, for a while, the boligburgues could lead their often ostentatious retirements undisturbed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/18/panama-papers-tightened-the-noose-on-offshore-assets-of-maduros-inner-circle
I guess TMay may not want to rely on them but it at least potentially changes the dynamics.
The Govt's deal could potentially pass and the DUP wouldn't be able to bring down the Govt.