The Honda news is a potential game-changer. And I speak as a Leaver.
It has been timed with perfection. Deliberately?
We've seen this before. A company announcing they are pulling out of Brexit Britain only to see a few days later the story is way overblown. In a few days time we will realise this news has also been overblown.
But it keeps happening. Remainers don't have to keep explaining away big inward investment stories.
Yet employment levels keep surging ever upwards.
And, will probably further show a further rise tomorrow, but the flip side of my comment to Sean T is that one business shedding 3,500 jobs will generate far more publicity than lots of businesses generating more jobs in aggregate.
Sean, it is time for you and other intelligent Leavers to reluctantly abandon your support for this project. It has been delivered unbelievably badly, and the optics going into Brexit day are terrible. Give it up.
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You are missing the point.
The Brexit crowd gained traction over the years by blaming all sorts of things on the EU regardless of whether it was true or not.
Even if Honda or Nissan has nothing to do with Brexit you are about to reap what you sowed. People are going to believe it was because of Brexit and that's what really matters.
People are going to believe it or just ardent Europhiles? Bit of a difference. It'll take more than job losses in Swindon in 6 years to change the minds of 17 million people. Project Fear will continue to make the same mistakes because they think people can be easily scared into changing their minds and that everything revolves around economic news. Well if it did then as a nation we'd be rejoicing at low inflation and low unemployment but clearly we are not.
It's a bad news story for Brexit, because it's undeniably bad news. It won't hurt Swindon as much as the Vauxhall closure hurt Luton in the past, but it will certainly hurt. But, what distinguishes it from the stories of job losses in the eighties is that everyone knew someone who was losing their job, or at risk of it, back then.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
The Honda news is a potential game-changer. And I speak as a Leaver.
It has been timed with perfection. Deliberately?
We've seen this before. A company announcing they are pulling out of Brexit Britain only to see a few days later the story is way overblown. In a few days time we will realise this news has also been overblown.
But it keeps happening. Remainers don't have to keep explaining away big inward investment stories.
Yet employment levels keep surging ever upwards.
And, will probably further show a further rise tomorrow, but the flip side of my comment to Sean T is that one business shedding 3,500 jobs will generate far more publicity than lots of businesses generating more jobs in aggregate.
It could take another 10,000 jobs with it.
Sean, it is time for you and other intelligent Leavers to reluctantly abandon your support for this project. It has been delivered unbelievably badly, and the optics going into Brexit day are terrible. Give it up.
I love the way the FBPE crowd are ignoring the fact the Honda CEO says it's nothing to do with Brexit, the fact no jobs are moving to the EU and the fact even after the vote they decided to keep their EU HQ in the UK. Unfortunately car manufacturing is an industry in severe decline, it's just a shame that those desperate for project fear to come true choose to grasp at any straw possible.
You are missing the point.
The Brexit crowd gained traction over the years by blaming all sorts of things on the EU regardless of whether it was true or not.
Even if Honda or Nissan has nothing to do with Brexit you are about to reap what you sowed. People are going to believe it was because of Brexit and that's what really matters.
People are going to believe it or just ardent Europhiles? Bit of a difference. It'll take more than job losses in Swindon in 6 years to change the minds of 17 million people. Project Fear will continue to make the same mistakes because they think people can be easily scared into changing their minds and that everything revolves around economic news. Well if it did then as a nation we'd be rejoicing at low inflation and low unemployment but clearly we are not.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
Do you want a sportsman's bet on that? I think Honda will be one of the top three stories on the BBC news at 6 AND at 10.
If you disagree, then we could have a little wager, say £5, the loser to pay the money to the winner's favourite charity. Deal?
I'll have a wager £5 that the Labour split will be the main story and run for 5-10 minutes at the start of both the BBC and ITV News. Honda closing in 2022 just isn't on the same public interest level.
No bet. Tut tut. You first claimed that Honda would be a "minor" story. If it is in the top three stories, the headlines announced at the start of the news, then it is definitely not a "minor" story.
So you are scared to make a wager on your own claim.
But you said this story would affect millions of voters and radically alter opinion polls despite not even being the main news story? Not sure how that works.
The two stories reinforce each other. And they will be the top two stories on the BBC - as they are on the from page of the newspaper websites.
Understand now ?
A car plant in Swindon closing reinforces anti semitism in the Labour party? Some stretch Nige.
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
...
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Also leads to the situation where financial crimes end up with lots of 6 month sentences - they pay a fine, and basically get off scot-free. See all the footballers in Spain, all given "prison sentences" just under the 2 year threshold.
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Another double edged sword.
If we drop short sentences for burglars/muggers in order to give rehabilitation a go first then that can make sense. But does that mean if rehabilitation doesn't work that we will go with longer jail sentences instead?
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Here, look:
Most read 1 Honda set to close Swindon car plant 2 Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest 3 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' 4 Alesha trial told of DNA Google search 5 Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man? 6 Flybmi 'won't be the last' airline failure 7 Bank customer told 'vegans should be punched' 8 Israel summit falls apart in 'racism' row 9 Police officers told to 'shoot 50 Cent' 10 Pakistan flag tops toilet paper searches
Either I can type at warp speed 9, or I have just cut and pasted that from the BBC site.
Most Read 1 Seven MPs leave Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership 2 Honda set to close Swindon car plant 3 Shamima Begum: 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' 4 Holocaust: Israel summit scrapped in 'racism' row with Poland 5 Alesha MacPhail murder trial: Jury told of DNA Google search 6 Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man? 7 Pulwama attack: Google searches 'hijacked' to link Pakistan flag to toilet paper 8 Flybmi won't be the last airline failure, say analysts 9 50 Cent: Claims police told to 'shoot' rapper investigated 10 NatWest worker told customer 'vegans should be punched'
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
Do you want a sportsman's bet on that? I think Honda will be one of the top three stories on the BBC news at 6 AND at 10.
If you disagree, then we could have a little wager, say £5, the loser to pay the money to the winner's favourite charity. Deal?
I'll have a wager £5 that the Labour split will be the main story and run for 5-10 minutes at the start of both the BBC and ITV News. Honda closing in 2022 just isn't on the same public interest level.
No bet. Tut tut. You first claimed that Honda would be a "minor" story. If it is in the top three stories, the headlines announced at the start of the news, then it is definitely not a "minor" story.
So you are scared to make a wager on your own claim.
But you said this story would affect millions of voters and radically alter opinion polls despite not even being the main news story? Not sure how that works.
The two stories reinforce each other. And they will be the top two stories on the BBC - as they are on the from page of the newspaper websites.
Understand now ?
A car plant in Swindon closing reinforces anti semitism in the Labour party? Some stretch Nige.
The Tiggers aren't all about opposing anti-semitism, or else I think my local MP John Mann might have joined - they're a remainer group too.
The official Honda announcement is apparently coming tomorrow. So very plausible that Gang of 7 leads today (with Honda second), "Honda confirms 3,500 job losses" leads tomorrow.
Although who knows what may happen in the next 24 hours.
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Another double edged sword.
If we drop short sentences for burglars/muggers in order to give rehabilitation a go first then that can make sense. But does that mean if rehabilitation doesn't work that we will go with longer jail sentences instead?
I think that a lot of judges will go for longer sentences. Even to get a six month sentence, you're likely to be a repeat offender.
Labour sources think crunch point for several other Labour MPs considering resigning the whip will be whether or not Corbyn accepts Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson amendment on Feb 27 calling for public vote on May’s deal, modelled on Good Friday Agreement referendum
Hah. Fair enough. We must genuinely be looking at two different BBC news pages.
Are you accessing this from the UK? Or elsewhere? I get different orderings of news articles depending on how my VPN routes. From time to time, I get confused by the fact one of the main headlines on the BBC news website will be some scandal I have never heard about from elsewhere in the world.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
Do you want a sportsman's bet on that? I think Honda will be one of the top three stories on the BBC news at 6 AND at 10.
If you disagree, then we could have a little wager, say £5, the loser to pay the money to the winner's favourite charity. Deal?
I'll have a wager £5 that the Labour split will be the main story and run for 5-10 minutes at the start of both the BBC and ITV News. Honda closing in 2022 just isn't on the same public interest level.
No bet. Tut tut. You first claimed that Honda would be a "minor" story. If it is in the top three stories, the headlines announced at the start of the news, then it is definitely not a "minor" story.
So you are scared to make a wager on your own claim.
But you said this story would affect millions of voters and radically alter opinion polls despite not even being the main news story? Not sure how that works.
The two stories reinforce each other. And they will be the top two stories on the BBC - as they are on the from page of the newspaper websites.
Understand now ?
A car plant in Swindon closing reinforces anti semitism in the Labour party? Some stretch Nige.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
Sean, Sean - this is what we've had to put up with these past few months and years.
Makes you want to bang your head against the wall, right?
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Another double edged sword.
If we drop short sentences for burglars/muggers in order to give rehabilitation a go first then that can make sense. But does that mean if rehabilitation doesn't work that we will go with longer jail sentences instead?
I think that a lot of judges will go for longer sentences. Even to get a six month sentence, you're likely to be a repeat offender.
As a friend of mine once told me (and he knew), you have to work really hard to get yourself put in jail these days.
I know twitter have the blue tick, but i think a really good improvement would be a little bit like how domain squatting can be challenged. That for high profile organizations / individuals you don't allow handles that could be misinterpreted as the real thing.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
Sean, Sean - this is what we've had to put up with these past few months and years.
Makes you want to bang your head against the wall, right?
In fairness Mr Topping, you've given us your apocalyptic version of Brexit for years now and how ghastly Britain is so I'm going to let you have Swindon and enjoy your day in the sun today.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Here, look:
Most read 1 Honda set to close Swindon car plant 2 Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest 3 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' 4 Alesha trial told of DNA Google search 5 Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man? 6 Flybmi 'won't be the last' airline failure 7 Bank customer told 'vegans should be punched' 8 Israel summit falls apart in 'racism' row 9 Police officers told to 'shoot 50 Cent' 10 Pakistan flag tops toilet paper searches
The Brexit crowd gained traction over the years by blaming all sorts of things on the EU regardless of whether it was true or not.
Even if Honda or Nissan has nothing to do with Brexit you are about to reap what you sowed. People are going to believe it was because of Brexit and that's what really matters.
People are going to believe it or just ardent Europhiles? Bit of a difference. It'll take more than job losses in Swindon in 6 years to change the minds of 17 million people. Project Fear will continue to make the same mistakes because they think people can be easily scared into changing their minds and that everything revolves around economic news. Well if it did then as a nation we'd be rejoicing at low inflation and low unemployment but clearly we are not.
The polls indicate quite a lot have changed their minds already -this just helps push a few more. Remember you only started with 52%
(OT) An interesting piece of polling on the Democratic race: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/18/joe-biden-2020-polling-1173226 “In a race like this, the methodology stuff really does matter because it’s such an open question,” said Kirby, whose firm recently conducted a national poll of the 2020 Democratic presidential race. Bold Blue’s poll gave respondents an explicit option to say they were undecided — and nearly half, 48 percent, took it.
Biden still led the field, but with only 12 percent support. Sanders was third, with 9 percent, behind Sen. Kamala Harris of California at 11 percent.
Kirby thinks that is a more accurate reflection of the “hard-core” Biden and Sanders support than the 30 or 20 percent, respectively, the two men draw in other polls.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Considering that you have totally failed to grasp why SeanT and I think this is bad news for the cause all three of us voted for, it is you who don’t understand why other people voted Leave.
I think the news will have a significant impact on how MPs feel, which is more important considering our proximity to the deadline.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
Sean, Sean - this is what we've had to put up with these past few months and years.
Makes you want to bang your head against the wall, right?
In fairness Mr Topping, you've given us your apocalyptic version of Brexit for years now and how ghastly Britain is so I'm going to let you have Swindon and enjoy your day in the sun today.
You've had no apocalyptic version of Brexit from me. My view has always been that it will be a diminution of our current situation, analogous to a few pence more on beer and fags. We will all be poorer, most likely, but few will notice too much with those noticing most being those who can least afford it.
There is a "very strong case" for abolishing jail terms of less than six months, the justice secretary has said.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
Another double edged sword.
If we drop short sentences for burglars/muggers in order to give rehabilitation a go first then that can make sense. But does that mean if rehabilitation doesn't work that we will go with longer jail sentences instead?
I think that a lot of judges will go for longer sentences. Even to get a six month sentence, you're likely to be a repeat offender.
As a friend of mine once told me (and he knew), you have to work really hard to get yourself put in jail these days.
Full time job ;-)
I remember a story from a while back, where there was a gang going around robbing rural post offices. The police knew they were basically doing 1 a week. When they finally caught up with them, it was revealed there was 4-5 of them and they didn't usually get away with more than £1-2k as these were really small shops / PO counters.
Well they had to steal the vehicle, case the joint, etc etc etc. They were basically "working" a full week for £200-300 each, hence why they kept doing one each week.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
I know why people voted to Leave - I was one of them (and incidentally, I voted in the hope that we would stay in the Single Market, in EFTA, at least for a decade, as we adjusted).
People didn't vote Leave to see massive job losses. Even though Brexit is not the primary cause of this closure, I am pretty certain that is how it will be sold, and perceived. And I do think some voters will recoil.
We shall see.
Lol. Your support for soft or hard Brexit has flipped almost as often as your support for Brexit itself.
The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
I know why people voted to Leave - I was one of them (and incidentally, I voted in the hope that we would stay in the Single Market, in EFTA, at least for a decade, as we adjusted).
People didn't vote Leave to see massive job losses. Even though Brexit is not the primary cause of this closure, I am pretty certain that is how it will be sold, and perceived. And I do think some voters will recoil.
We shall see.
We shall see indeed, but you're constantly flip-flopping about what flavour of Brexit you want. It's relatively clear that Brexit is not the big issue involving Honda, so I think it's worth arguing that case rather than just assuming the public are gullible and will swallow up the idea that this wouldn't have happened if we'd only voted Remain.
There is no doubt Honda closing Swindon is not Brexit related but the optics are dreadful and it will not help no dealers one bit. Indeed I suspect remain will gather more support as a result of this sad closure
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Freudian typo?
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Granted it's not exactly Stow-on-the-Wold, but I think describing the inhabitants as a "rough population" is a bit much. Though I might make an exception for the goons in Brunel House who set GWR train fares.
There is no doubt Honda closing Swindon is not Brexit related but the optics are dreadful and it will not help no dealers one bit. Indeed I suspect remain will gather more support as a result of this sad closure
There is a great upheaval underway worldwide in motor manufacturing. The point is that the UK is now a less likely base for new plants. Notably absent form this page, for example... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Gigafactory_Europe
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The problem for the breakaway faction is that they are centrists, whereas most Labour voters who favour Remain support Corbyn on everything bar Brexit.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
I know why people voted to Leave - I was one of them (and incidentally, I voted in the hope that we would stay in the Single Market, in EFTA, at least for a decade, as we adjusted)....
We are with some monotony told that such an outcome would not 'respect' the vote.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Here, look:
Most read 1 Honda set to close Swindon car plant 2 Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest 3 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' 4 Alesha trial told of DNA Google search 5 Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man? 6 Flybmi 'won't be the last' airline failure 7 Bank customer told 'vegans should be punched' 8 Israel summit falls apart in 'racism' row 9 Police officers told to 'shoot 50 Cent' 10 Pakistan flag tops toilet paper searches
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The problem for the breakaway faction is that they are centrists, whereas most Labour voters who favour Remain support Corbyn on everything bar Brexit.
There's no such thing as "single reasons" in business. Every decision is the result of a complex interplay of factors:
- demand picture - tariffs - likelihood of unfavourable changes in the political climate
etc.
I think it is grossly naive to think this has nothing to do with the risk of No Deal Brexit. And it's grossly naive to think it is all to do with Brexit.
The question is, is it 20% of the reason or 65% of the reason?
(For the record, in aggregate the whole world is seeing auto manufacturing capacity being reduced. And this is exacerbating what we're seeing. But ask yourself, if you were looking at the potential imposition of tariffs between the UK and the EU, the UK dropping out of many existing trading arrangements, a potentially negative UK domestic demand picture, and the possibility of a Corbyn government in the medium term... would you be looking to increase your UK manufacturing exposure, or would you be looking to reduce it? It is no coincidence that perhaps half the negative the news about auto manufacturing in Europe has been in the UK.)
Thinks she needs a better PR team...although her lawyer certainly said some interesting things in the past.
Jihadi bride Shamima Begum says Manchester Arena bombing was 'fair retaliation' for military strikes in Syria as she reveals she has named her son Jerah 'after Islamic warlord who massacred infidels'
The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
Freudian typo?
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
The highlight of driving around Swindon is trying to negotiate the Magic Roundabout.
It is worth remembering that when we say we (the UK) are a services powerhouse, what we mean is that we have a lot more people employed in selling ourselves imported goods than in other countries.
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The problem for the breakaway faction is that they are centrists, whereas most Labour voters who favour Remain support Corbyn on everything bar Brexit.
It is worth remembering that when we say we (the UK) are a services powerhouse, what we mean is that we have a lot more people employed in selling ourselves imported goods than in other countries.
Ouch.
But then a cursory glance at the consumption element of our GDP should make anyone blanche.
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
It is worth remembering that when we say we (the UK) are a services powerhouse, what we mean is that we have a lot more people employed in selling ourselves imported goods than in other countries.
If our exports weaken though, then I'd have thought that could potentially fall out in a lower sterling value... which pushes up the price of imports and thus would hit those 'people employed in selling ourselves imported goods' aka services ?
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Here, look:
Most read 1 Honda set to close Swindon car plant 2 Seven MPs leave Labour in Corbyn protest 3 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl' 4 Alesha trial told of DNA Google search 5 Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man? 6 Flybmi 'won't be the last' airline failure 7 Bank customer told 'vegans should be punched' 8 Israel summit falls apart in 'racism' row 9 Police officers told to 'shoot 50 Cent' 10 Pakistan flag tops toilet paper searches
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The problem for the breakaway faction is that they are centrists, whereas most Labour voters who favour Remain support Corbyn on everything bar Brexit.
Do they really ? Most Labour members, perhaps.
PBers, and particularly this poster, regularly conflate voters of the two big political parties with members of the two big political parties.
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
The total number of signatures was 351,141 - very high by the standards of petitions on the Parliament website. That's an average of 540 per constituency. Which means that most constituencies in England were pretty close to the average.
Japan refusing to sign the same agreement with UK as with EU, Nissan cancelling production of x trail and closure of Honda. All in the space of a month. Coinicidence or could it be that the Japanese are upset that they were not being listened to.
All in all as an exporter to Japan this does not fill me with hope. The reality is that our trade team is entirely unprepared to operate successfully in Asia. In case of a hard brexit the USA will be along with Canada and Australasia our only friends.
Its Buzzfeed...caveat emptor...right on things about as often as Peston and Hodges.
I think we will see shortly enough. A smart strategy would be to have more join in the coming days, drip drip, citing disgraceful abuse from the cult, lack of action on Brexit etc etc etc.
If 7 is it, "nothing has changed" re Project Jessiah.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
I know why people voted to Leave - I was one of them (and incidentally, I voted in the hope that we would stay in the Single Market, in EFTA, at least for a decade, as we adjusted)....
We are with some monotony told that such an outcome would not 'respect' the vote.
I know, Fucking Theresa Fucking May with her fucking stupid red lines
I was thinking about that the other day. Remember a few days after the referendum when Boris Johnson wrote an article rowing back on some of the things said in the campaign, which people took as an indication he favoured a soft Brexit. Then Theresa May came in with her "Brexit means Brexit" leadership pitch and sucked all the oxygen out of the room.
An interesting pointer on how the breakaway puts Corbyn in something of a bind on a second referendum vote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/ If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
The problem for the breakaway faction is that they are centrists, whereas most Labour voters who favour Remain support Corbyn on everything bar Brexit.
Do they really ? Most Labour members, perhaps.
SDP apparently, not centrist, although possibly they would be Lib.Dems in an ideal world. Liz Kendall appears not to be among them. Maybe she values her career and realises that we need PR before we have realignment.
Because of the gang of 7 it's safe to say the Honda news will be a minor story tonight. For those FBPE supporters linking it to Brexit it seems Chuka has scored a bit of an own goal by crowding out the press coverage.
PS I think you'll lose your bet if you accept it.
Honda is now the most read news story on the BBC website. The gang of 7 are second.
I've got Gang of 7 as first and it's a much older news story.
Scroll down to Most Read: Honda is first, Gang of 7 second.
Not on the BBC website I'm looking at. Also 5 years after the vote is when job losses potentially start?
Do you really think that is how Swindon car workers will view their redundancies? As being six years after the Brexit vote, rather than two years from NOW?
That's special thinking.
I'll take your comments with a pinch of salt because you're so neurotic I never know if you're supporting Leave or Remain, Labour or the Tories on any given day. I suppose whatever scare story you read in the Mail knocks any conviction you have in your beliefs. The idea that you think polls will now switch severely now towards Remain show you don't understand why people voted Leave or you don't understand the rough population of Swindon.
I know why people voted to Leave - I was one of them (and incidentally, I voted in the hope that we would stay in the Single Market, in EFTA, at least for a decade, as we adjusted)....
We are with some monotony told that such an outcome would not 'respect' the vote.
It wouldn't have been sufficiently xenophobic and inward-looking, I am reliably informed.
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
The total number of signatures was 351,141 - very high by the standards of petitions on the Parliament website. That's an average of 540 per constituency. Which means that most constituencies in England were pretty close to the average.
When lefty petitions reach several millions of signatories, the PB Tories inform us that they don't matter.
Japan refusing to sign the same agreement with UK as with EU, Nissan cancelling production of x trail and closure of Honda. All in the space of a month. Coinicidence or could it be that the Japanese are upset that they were not being listened to.
All in all as an exporter to Japan this does not fill me with hope. The reality is that our trade team is entirely unprepared to operate successfully in Asia. In case of a hard brexit the USA will be along with Canada and Australasia our only friends.
My son, who is also involved in exporting to East Asia regards the British Trade presence there as worse than useless. If they need consular assistance they get it from Canada. No, don't know how that works.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
That just reminded me that Chuka Umunna got the train to Swindon to record a video launching his Labour leadership campaign.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
I've been to Swindon quite often. I wouldn't call it a dump but it is close to the dictionary definition of "unremarkable".
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
The total number of signatures was 351,141 - very high by the standards of petitions on the Parliament website. That's an average of 540 per constituency. Which means that most constituencies in England were pretty close to the average.
When lefty petitions reach several millions of signatories, the PB Tories inform us that they don't matter.
They don't matter but which petitions on the Parliament website are you referring to with millions of signatures? I can't see any there currently with millions.
In fact unless I'm mistaken it currently appears like that petition has the second highest amount of signatures of all active petitions on the Parliament site. Beaten only by ban all ISIS members from returning to the UK.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
That just reminded me that Chuka Umunna got the train to Swindon to record a video launching his Labour leadership campaign.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
I've been to Swindon quite often. I wouldn't call it a dump but it is close to the dictionary definition of "unremarkable".
There are however lots of interesting places within easy driving distance.
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
The total number of signatures was 351,141 - very high by the standards of petitions on the Parliament website. That's an average of 540 per constituency. Which means that most constituencies in England were pretty close to the average.
When lefty petitions reach several millions of signatories, the PB Tories inform us that they don't matter.
Petitions to overturn the referendum result get dismissed as they never get past 17.4m signatories (or more precisely, because they're irrelevant in the context of the question of "should we leave the EU or not"). The point being made here is that a not insignificant number of people, spread pretty similarly across the country as the Leave vote, are enough in favour of No Deal that they were prepared to sign a petition in favour. Which implies that a decent chunk of the total Leave vote is in favour. Which is scary.
You're not wrong, it is a bit of a dump. The concrete shopping street is not somewhere I'd be in a hurry to return to. Proof that not all railway towns are charming throwbacks.
I'm ashamed to say I have never set foot in Swindon. It's on my bucket list though.
What like pretty much all of England apart from London?
Your complacency is astounding.
Did you actually look at the map that was posted?
Clearly you did not.
I was looking at the marked contrast between England and Scotland. What straw are you grasping at?
Erm, look at the map again. Besides the hardcore furriner hating places on the east coast and one or two other clusters, most constituencies struggle to reach 650 signatories. The average electorate in UK constituencies is something around 70,000.
The total number of signatures was 351,141 - very high by the standards of petitions on the Parliament website. That's an average of 540 per constituency. Which means that most constituencies in England were pretty close to the average.
When lefty petitions reach several millions of signatories, the PB Tories inform us that they don't matter.
They don't matter but which petitions on the Parliament website are you referring to with millions of signatures? I can't see any there currently with millions.
In fact unless I'm mistaken it currently appears like that petition has the second highest amount of signatures of all active petitions on the Parliament site. Beaten only by ban all ISIS members from returning to the UK.
Not that it matters.
There have been several in the past with over a million, this is trivially googleable.
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Your complacency is astounding.
David Gauke said short sentences were not working for many inmates and courts in England and Wales should focus more on rehabilitation in the community.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47280702
Regardless of the rights / wrong, can the Tories afford to lose their core demographic of voters at the moment. Not sure oldies will like the sound of some scumbag burglar / mugger being told no jail for you.
So seems to be a big change in global strategy for Honda.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616088
On news: the Labour split is a far bigger story than the Honda one.
It's not every decade that a major party splits. I can't remember the last time it happened over a question of racism and threats.
As an aside, this tweet is quite interesting.
https://twitter.com/_BenWright_/status/1097516084687704064
If we drop short sentences for burglars/muggers in order to give rehabilitation a go first then that can make sense. But does that mean if rehabilitation doesn't work that we will go with longer jail sentences instead?
1
Seven MPs leave Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership
2
Honda set to close Swindon car plant
3
Shamima Begum: 'I didn't want to be IS poster girl'
4
Holocaust: Israel summit scrapped in 'racism' row with Poland
5
Alesha MacPhail murder trial: Jury told of DNA Google search
6
Are the super-rich ruining Burning Man?
7
Pulwama attack: Google searches 'hijacked' to link Pakistan flag to toilet paper
8
Flybmi won't be the last airline failure, say analysts
9
50 Cent: Claims police told to 'shoot' rapper investigated
10
NatWest worker told customer 'vegans should be punched'
Although who knows what may happen in the next 24 hours.
Makes you want to bang your head against the wall, right?
Clearly you did not.
The Brexit crowd gained traction over the years by blaming all sorts of things on the EU regardless of whether it was true or not.
Even if Honda or Nissan has nothing to do with Brexit you are about to reap what you sowed. People are going to believe it was because of Brexit and that's what really matters.
People are going to believe it or just ardent Europhiles? Bit of a difference. It'll take more than job losses in Swindon in 6 years to change the minds of 17 million people. Project Fear will continue to make the same mistakes because they think people can be easily scared into changing their minds and that everything revolves around economic news. Well if it did then as a nation we'd be rejoicing at low inflation and low unemployment but clearly we are not.
The polls indicate quite a lot have changed their minds already -this just helps push a few more. Remember you only started with 52%
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/18/joe-biden-2020-polling-1173226
“In a race like this, the methodology stuff really does matter because it’s such an open question,” said Kirby, whose firm recently conducted a national poll of the 2020 Democratic presidential race. Bold Blue’s poll gave respondents an explicit option to say they were undecided — and nearly half, 48 percent, took it.
Biden still led the field, but with only 12 percent support. Sanders was third, with 9 percent, behind Sen. Kamala Harris of California at 11 percent.
Kirby thinks that is a more accurate reflection of the “hard-core” Biden and Sanders support than the 30 or 20 percent, respectively, the two men draw in other polls.
My missus works in interiors and tells me that grey is very on-trend and contemporary!
I think the news will have a significant impact on how MPs feel, which is more important considering our proximity to the deadline.
I remember a story from a while back, where there was a gang going around robbing rural post offices. The police knew they were basically doing 1 a week. When they finally caught up with them, it was revealed there was 4-5 of them and they didn't usually get away with more than £1-2k as these were really small shops / PO counters.
Well they had to steal the vehicle, case the joint, etc etc etc. They were basically "working" a full week for £200-300 each, hence why they kept doing one each week.
https://twitter.com/antoni_UK/status/1097508958976335872
https://www.politico.eu/article/labour-breakaways-brexit-impact-independent-group-second-referendum-no-deal/
If anything, there is a risk for Umunna and co. that their breakaway will achieve nothing more than a hardening of Labour frontbench resolve not to go for a second referendum. The Labour leadership is already mindful of not alienating the half of the population — and a third of Labour voters — who backed Leave. Being upbraided for that stance by people who have just quit your party may not be very persuasive...
If there is such a hardening of resolve, it will put considerable pressure on MPs for solidly remain constituencies.
Notably absent form this page, for example...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Gigafactory_Europe
windows key - shift - S
you can then snip a portion of the screen direct to your clipboard...
Most Labour members, perhaps.
If you and I and others can see that, then why won't others. People aren't foolish.
- demand picture
- tariffs
- likelihood of unfavourable changes in the political climate
etc.
I think it is grossly naive to think this has nothing to do with the risk of No Deal Brexit. And it's grossly naive to think it is all to do with Brexit.
The question is, is it 20% of the reason or 65% of the reason?
(For the record, in aggregate the whole world is seeing auto manufacturing capacity being reduced. And this is exacerbating what we're seeing. But ask yourself, if you were looking at the potential imposition of tariffs between the UK and the EU, the UK dropping out of many existing trading arrangements, a potentially negative UK domestic demand picture, and the possibility of a Corbyn government in the medium term... would you be looking to increase your UK manufacturing exposure, or would you be looking to reduce it? It is no coincidence that perhaps half the negative the news about auto manufacturing in Europe has been in the UK.)
But then a cursory glance at the consumption element of our GDP should make anyone blanche.
All in all as an exporter to Japan this does not fill me with hope. The reality is that our trade team is entirely unprepared to operate successfully in Asia. In case of a hard brexit the USA will be along with Canada and Australasia our only friends.
A sector already having problems doesn’t need a no deal to further complicate things .
I think we will see shortly enough. A smart strategy would be to have more join in the coming days, drip drip, citing disgraceful abuse from the cult, lack of action on Brexit etc etc etc.
If 7 is it, "nothing has changed" re Project Jessiah.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2015/may/12/chuka-umunna-labour-leadership-swindon-video
In fact unless I'm mistaken it currently appears like that petition has the second highest amount of signatures of all active petitions on the Parliament site. Beaten only by ban all ISIS members from returning to the UK.
Not that it matters.
Not that it matters.
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