So my feeling is that if the 48 go in, the ERG's best strategy is to say they'll support Javid, possibly for a coronation. I think he's the figure most acceptable to both sides. Even if ditching May doesn't help get a better deal it would avoid the new problem of her being able to squat, unmovable, in Number 10 for a year.
Everyone should be laying 2019 as May's departure date if they think the threshold will be reached, right?
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I feel so sorry for you and the reasonable Conservatives on this board. I do wonder if the Conservative Party will survive this.
Of course it will - look we picked a duff leader. It happens. We need a better one.
It has survived a great many problems over the last couple of centuries. But it may not survive this: it is riven.
24 hours of Corbyn in Number Ten will almost certainly concentrate minds.
Well, I've carefully evaluated the probabilities of all the possible outcomes, and I can confirm that they are all impossible.
Yeah, that's how I've been feeling about this moment for a long time now. I just wish May had brought us here earlier when we still had time to maneuver, rather than can-kicking for so long
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I feel so sorry for you and the reasonable Conservatives on this board. I do wonder if the Conservative Party will survive this.
Of course it will - look we picked a duff leader. It happens. We need a better one.
It has survived a great many problems over the last couple of centuries. But it may not survive this: it is riven.
24 hours of Corbyn in Number Ten will almost certainly concentrate minds.
Remember when you said only a Leave win would finally unite the Tory party.
The Leave win was usurped by Remainer May who seeks to thwart us leaving in practice and not in name only.
A real Leave would eventually finally unite the Tory party. But a real Leave isn't what May has sought.
Leavers like Royal Blue and Mortimer support this deal, it is the headbangers who ruining this.
As I predicted they would.
To be fair to most leavers on this board they seem far more capable of compromise than the diehards in the ERG. The happiest leavers on this board are the Labourites who are cock a hoop with the Gov't being in a proper mess. The ERG is more Flash and Thompson rather than Mortimer and Royale.
Agreed. I don't like Remain, and I don't like a car crash Brexit. But, it looks as if we'll get one of them.
The ERG are making the same mistake the anti-Treaty IRA made in 1922. They should understand this deal does not get them all that they want, but it does get the single most important thing that they want, an exit from the EU., plus it provides a route for them to get all or most of what they want, just over time.
Although if Mrs May survives the rest of the week she should probably refrain from taking the ministerial limo on any tours of the backways of deepest Somerset for the forseeable future.
Deep down, do they even want to leave the EU?
I have wondered this myself. We need a psychologist to give us the answer.
I think that’s one profession we don’t have on PB. Think of all the material they’d have to work with...
Perhaps they are here, just silently taking notes and nodding occasionally.
John McDonnell: “If we can’t get a general election, yes we will keep a People’s Vote on the table”
Is Jezza out of the loop now?
Hey I win about 3 grand if he is somehow next PM
It’s a great time to lay Jezza.
If May loses, it’s a Tory. If she narrowly wins she’ll go next year, and then it’s a Tory.
Only Jezza with an early GE.
Hm. I think Labour will struggle to win a snap election because of the the Lib Dem factor. Lots of Lab voters are anti-Brexit and may switch if the election is before B-day.
When the gas supply goes out this cold winter, the memories of the rabid bleatings of leavers blaming everyone else for their decision will keep me toasty warm.
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I love the way the Tories try to palm this off onto anyone else, Corbyn, Blair, The EU, UKIP, Bobby Davro, H from Steps, Pope Gregory IX, Morph.
I love the way Labour is a responsibility-free zone.....
If the Tories had a scintilla of discipline about them, today could have been made very difficult for Corbyn.
I suspect the ERG have called this badly wrong, The country simply wants the thing finished and signed. I see no rewards in referendum 2 for them and only bigger downsides. They just dont know when to settle.
If May wins a No Confidence vote she is unstoppable for a year, if she loses the Deal vote she can then call an EU referendum in January or February on Deal No Deal or Remain which would pass the Commons most likely, Remain would probably win and the ERG end up with nothing
which ever way you look at it the Tories are unmanageable
The Tories have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. They need to learn that Tory party is utterly split over Europe and needs to actually split for any of it to survive. But it won't because the will never forget the split over the Corn Laws.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
But... it's not much of a dilemma. They're obviously not going to support it, and they'd be crazy to. I don't think preserving that situation is a high priority for the ERG
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I feel so sorry for you and the reasonable Conservatives on this board. I do wonder if the Conservative Party will survive this.
Of course it will - look we picked a duff leader. It happens. We need a better one.
It has survived a great many problems over the last couple of centuries. But it may not survive this: it is riven.
24 hours of Corbyn in Number Ten will almost certainly concentrate minds.
But EU membership will still be festering in the background. You'll have shits like Boris and JRM hanging around in the background, constantly whinging. The opposition and media will play up their every word.
They're destroying the Conservative Party and good governance of the country.
In JRM's case, I can understand it: he's insulated from the effects and can afford to hold harmful ideologies dear. It's Boris and his ilk that I have special contempt for: the ones who are doing it to further their own careers.
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I feel so sorry for you and the reasonable Conservatives on this board. I do wonder if the Conservative Party will survive this.
Of course it will - look we picked a duff leader. It happens. We need a better one.
It has survived a great many problems over the last couple of centuries. But it may not survive this: it is riven.
24 hours of Corbyn in Number Ten will almost certainly concentrate minds.
But EU membership will still be festering in the background. You'll have shits like Boris and JRM hanging around in the background, constantly whinging. The opposition and media will play up their every word.
They're destroying the Conservative Party and good governance of the country.
In JRM's case, I can understand it: he's insulated from the effects and can afford to hold harmful ideologies dear. It's Boris and his ilk that I have special contempt for: the ones who are doing it to further their own careers.
It would be fun if after all this they do not get to 48. If I were Brady I would be tempted to say so, just to wind people up.
He won't have to say so, his continued silence shows they have not (yet) hit 48.
No, I think they have. My guess is that he won't announce it until he's had chance to brief May personally and so that she's not ambushed while still in the Commons. Expect something c3pm?
My wife reports that Tim Farron (remember him) is in Kirby Lonsdale at the moment...
Ask her to confirm whether it's true that whenever he stands still, you can hear The Sound of Silence softly playing in the background
Don't need to as the answer is no (we know him from university and after). The only surprise was that Mrs Eek wasn't expecting to see and equally him to see her (thanks to her new job).
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Yes, exactly right.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
But... it's not much of a dilemma. They're obviously not going to support it, and they'd be crazy to. I don't think preserving that situation is a high priority for the ERG
I don't think they would have supported it but it is nevertheless a dilemma - witness May today appealing to everyone to act in the national interest.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Indeed. ERG don't know when to stop. Yesterday, was the correct answer.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Yes, exactly right.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
Personally if I was the EU Id offer less than before to the UK to stop them messing about.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Yes, exactly right.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
Personally if I was the EU Id offer less than before to the UK to stop them messing about.
I think Rees-Mogg would be happy with the EU offering less. He doesn't want more from the EU he wants less and seems perfectly content to get nothing at all from them and leave on a clean Brexit.
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I love the way the Tories try to palm this off onto anyone else, Corbyn, Blair, The EU, UKIP, Bobby Davro, H from Steps, Pope Gregory IX, Morph.
I love the way Labour is a responsibility-free zone.....
If the Tories had a scintilla of discipline about them, today could have been made very difficult for Corbyn.
I suspect the ERG have called this badly wrong, The country simply wants the thing finished and signed. I see no rewards in referendum 2 for them and only bigger downsides. They just dont know when to settle.
If May wins a No Confidence vote she is unstoppable for a year, if she loses the Deal vote she can then call an EU referendum in January or February on Deal No Deal or Remain which would pass the Commons most likely, Remain would probably win and the ERG end up with nothing
which ever way you look at it the Tories are unmanageable
It may end up with Corbyn as PM and permanent Customs Union and a minority Labour government and Boris leader of the Opposition but I think May survives until a general election
I think Rees-Mogg would be happy with the EU offering less. He doesn't want more from the EU he wants less and seems perfectly content to get nothing at all from them and leave on a clean Brexit.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Yes, exactly right.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
Personally if I was the EU Id offer less than before to the UK to stop them messing about.
Personally I'm hoping the ECJ rules Art 50 is not revocable. We need to be taught a lesson here.
I honestly don't know how people like TSE justify voting for Cameron and his referendum over Miliband in 2015.
Cameron certainly bears the heaviest burden of guilt for the current debacle. May inherited an almost impossible situation; however she took every opportunity to make it worse.
All of this could have been avoided if Labour had honoured their commitment to hold a referendum on Lisbon.
If Blair hadn't dicked about the voting system for partisan reasons for European elections UKIP would have never surged.
I feel so sorry for you and the reasonable Conservatives on this board. I do wonder if the Conservative Party will survive this.
Of course it will - look we picked a duff leader. It happens. We need a better one.
It has survived a great many problems over the last couple of centuries. But it may not survive this: it is riven.
24 hours of Corbyn in Number Ten will almost certainly concentrate minds.
But EU membership will still be festering in the background. You'll have shits like Boris and JRM hanging around in the background, constantly whinging. The opposition and media will play up their every word.
They're destroying the Conservative Party and good governance of the country.
In JRM's case, I can understand it: he's insulated from the effects and can afford to hold harmful ideologies dear. It's Boris and his ilk that I have special contempt for: the ones who are doing it to further their own careers.
Sure, it wouldn't be a comfortable truce. They were difficult for Cameron while Brown was PM. Surely though that was a different level of discord to that evident at present? And a Corbyn-led government would be a greater inducement to uneasy unity than even Brown and a deficit well into twelve digits.
Europe will only cease being an issue for the Conservatives when one side or the other is completely vanquished - but it would be less of an issue if they have an external enemy to unite against.
Can you name me two chemicals/elements that are perfectly harmless on their own but when combined results in danger/disaster.
nail varnish remover + bleach = chloroform vinegar + bleach = weak chlorine gas kerosene + (concentrated) bleach = big explosion alkali metal + water = small explosion ammonium nitrite + fuel oil = explosive
h ttps://abc13.com/health/household-chemicals-you-should-never-mix/1748504/ h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_21c/chemical_patterns/elementsrev3.shtml h ttps://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0512December/TechSpeak.aspx
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
Yes, exactly right.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
Personally if I was the EU Id offer less than before to the UK to stop them messing about.
Personally I'm hoping the ECJ rules Art 50 is not revocable. We need to be taught a lesson here.
thats the weakness in all the UK political class arguments, the get a better deal\remain\outright leave arguments assume that the other side is going to fall in to line with their goals. Why should they ?
UK politics is currently a triumph of hope over experience
Just means she's not throwing her hat in the ring this time....
I think many on pb are reading this wrong and the next leader will be a minister who did not resign. It looks like Leadsom agrees with me, as do Javid and Hunt.
"Keep Buggering On" hoping something would turn up to save the day. Churchill's mantra from WWII which was admirable at the time in the circumstances.
Unfortunately for May and the country it now does massive damage.
This deal will not pass Parliament. It is irrelevant to your views on Brexit what you think about that, its simply is. So determinedly buggering on to inevitable defeat and burning further time and patience isn't admirable, its stupid.
Can you name me two chemicals/elements that are perfectly harmless on their own but when combined results in danger/disaster.
nail varnish remover + bleach = chloroform vinegar + bleach = weak chlorine gas kerosene + (concentrated) bleach = big explosion alkali metal + water = small explosion ammonium nitrite + fuel oil = explosive
h ttps://abc13.com/health/household-chemicals-you-should-never-mix/1748504/ h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_21c/chemical_patterns/elementsrev3.shtml h ttps://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0512December/TechSpeak.aspx
Can you name me two chemicals/elements that are perfectly harmless on their own but when combined results in danger/disaster.
nail varnish remover + bleach = chloroform vinegar + bleach = weak chlorine gas kerosene + (concentrated) bleach = big explosion alkali metal + water = small explosion ammonium nitrite + fuel oil = explosive
h ttps://abc13.com/health/household-chemicals-you-should-never-mix/1748504/ h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_21c/chemical_patterns/elementsrev3.shtml h ttps://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0512December/TechSpeak.aspx
I would not call bleach "perfectly harmless" on its own, its a hazardous chemical in its own right. Nobody in their right mind would drink it.
If there is a VONC I think it would force May to say what would happen next if her deal is rejected by parliament. If she won't answer that question or if she answers it and Tory MPs don't like the answer then I think they may well vote her out.
This summit on the 25th. It's a lot of work for some quite busy people. Aren't they justified in asking for some evidence that May can command a majority before they go ahead with it?
Can you name me two chemicals/elements that are perfectly harmless on their own but when combined results in danger/disaster.
nail varnish remover + bleach = chloroform vinegar + bleach = weak chlorine gas kerosene + (concentrated) bleach = big explosion alkali metal + water = small explosion ammonium nitrite + fuel oil = explosive
h ttps://abc13.com/health/household-chemicals-you-should-never-mix/1748504/ h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_21c/chemical_patterns/elementsrev3.shtml h ttps://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0512December/TechSpeak.aspx
Potassium permanganate and glycerin -- probably still available from Boots.
FTSE's hardly moved but lots of big fallers and risers depending on whether UK or foreign based earnings. Housebuilders and retail banks taking a tonking.
"Keep Buggering On" hoping something would turn up to save the day. Churchill's mantra from WWII which was admirable at the time in the circumstances.
Unfortunately for May and the country it now does massive damage.
This deal will not pass Parliament. It is irrelevant to your views on Brexit what you think about that, its simply is. So determinedly buggering on to inevitable defeat and burning further time and patience isn't admirable, its stupid.
Yes, May's entire MO has been burning time, and some here have called her the Great Survivor like it's a good thing.
The one thing that could have made this current situation better is if it had happened nine months ago, when it was already inevitable.
The UK’s scheme for ensuring power supplies during the winter months has been suspended after a ruling by the European court of justice that it constitutes illegal state aid.
Payments under the £1bn capacity market scheme will be halted until the government can win permission from the European commission to restart it.
The scheme subsidises owners of coal and gas power stations so the plants are ready to provide emergency backup in times of high demand. It started operating last year to ensure electricity for businesses and homes is available at peak times in winter.
The UK’s scheme for ensuring power supplies during the winter months has been suspended after a ruling by the European court of justice that it constitutes illegal state aid.
Payments under the £1bn capacity market scheme will be halted until the government can win permission from the European commission to restart it.
The scheme subsidises owners of coal and gas power stations so the plants are ready to provide emergency backup in times of high demand. It started operating last year to ensure electricity for businesses and homes is available at peak times in winter.
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Everyone should be laying 2019 as May's departure date if they think the threshold will be reached, right?
Can you name me two chemicals/elements that are perfectly harmless on their own but when combined results in danger/disaster.
Any new leader will presumably rip up the deal and hence they instantly relieve the Labour Party of any dilemma.
The current Lab dilemma is support the deal or not. If they don't they could be accused of acting against the National interest; if they do, well they support the government and that isn't what an Opposition is supposed to do.
The ERG looks like it is about to relieve them of that problem. No Labour MP with a pulse would ever vote for a Party with one of the Brex-o-loons in charge and hence Lab can sit back and blame the extreme wing of the party whereas they will hint, they would reluctantly but dutifully have backed May's deal.
I'll be doing a thread comparing the EU to water and the Tory Party to lithium.
But it's all Dover now
Oh dear...
Japan's new cyber-security minister has dumbfounded his country by saying he has never used a computer.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fluoride
Ken Clarke for Brexit Sec.
They're destroying the Conservative Party and good governance of the country.
In JRM's case, I can understand it: he's insulated from the effects and can afford to hold harmful ideologies dear. It's Boris and his ilk that I have special contempt for: the ones who are doing it to further their own careers.
Plus of course any new leader is going to come back with the same deal, and will face the same parliamentary arithmetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
https://tinyurl.com/ya26gmel
Leavers are tragic.
EDIT: Although... one could argue oxygen was as much to blame for the Hindenburg tragedy.
But keep that headline - you'll need it again soon enough.....
Europe will only cease being an issue for the Conservatives when one side or the other is completely vanquished - but it would be less of an issue if they have an external enemy to unite against.
vinegar + bleach = weak chlorine gas
kerosene + (concentrated) bleach = big explosion
alkali metal + water = small explosion
ammonium nitrite + fuel oil = explosive
h ttps://abc13.com/health/household-chemicals-you-should-never-mix/1748504/
h ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergolic_propellant
h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_21c/chemical_patterns/elementsrev3.shtml
h ttps://www.aristatek.com/newsletter/0512December/TechSpeak.aspx
UK politics is currently a triumph of hope over experience
Unfortunately for May and the country it now does massive damage.
This deal will not pass Parliament. It is irrelevant to your views on Brexit what you think about that, its simply is. So determinedly buggering on to inevitable defeat and burning further time and patience isn't admirable, its stupid.
The one thing that could have made this current situation better is if it had happened nine months ago, when it was already inevitable.
Payments under the £1bn capacity market scheme will be halted until the government can win permission from the European commission to restart it.
The scheme subsidises owners of coal and gas power stations so the plants are ready to provide emergency backup in times of high demand. It started operating last year to ensure electricity for businesses and homes is available at peak times in winter.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/15/uk-backup-power-subsidies-illegal-european-court-capacity-market
https://twitter.com/iam_magazine/status/1063019702576922624?s=21