We now have a coalition government between the Conservatives and the Natural Law Party, led by a Prime Minister who is seeking, by means of yogic flying, to levitate above her government without any support other than thin air.
Alastair - when, I think, Yougiv predicted a result very close to this one, didn't you say it was close to your ideal result?
Evening all. – Another GE where the majority of pollsters and punters called it wrong, no wonder there was a dramatic movement when the exit poll was released. Oh, and whole narrative that dominated PB for the past few weeks, total bollox.
There were some on here (Alastair Meeks especially) who didn't dismiss out of hand that You Gov model. I nearly took the 25-1 on Labour gaining Canterbury and I'm annoyed that I didn't.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
How many votes/seats do you think the student fees proposal won for Labour? Every year that passes there will be more and more voters that would benefit.
Of course the bill would be much greater and someone would have to pay for it but mentioning that doesn't seem popular at the ballot box.
The funny thing is I think Labour missed the Corbocharge as well.
Yes, it does look very much like that. Information I got from someone working on the national campaign confirmed that they thought they were in for a bad night.
Which means if the actual campaigns don't know what is happening, the experts don't know what is happening and the pollster don't know what is happening elections are going to be even harder to predict and political campaigns will be harder to plan.
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
Now, I'm not one to claim that the current solution to student fees is the right one. It's an issue that needa addressing. Forone, I think universities are taking the piss rather with what they actually give you for £9,000: I'd say it could be done at a fraction of the cost. But I'm slightly worried about the effect on democracy of uncosted-sweetie-giveaways ono this scale.
Evening all. – Another GE where the majority of pollsters and punters called it wrong, no wonder there was a dramatic movement when the exit poll was released. Oh, and whole narrative that dominated PB for the past few weeks, total bollox.
But provided one believed the exit poll, there was ample time (2-3 hours!) to bet accordingly before the markets caught up. Similar to the situations with Brexit and Trump.
@Lord_Sugar: Important thing is Brexit.Tory and Labour should form exit task force with same objectives. Priority get that done before arguing politics
Does she really believe pushing on with Brexit hamstrung is more important than the integrity of the peace settlement in Northern Ireland?!
Bit of a red herring. The electorate in NI have been making it clear for a while they are only interested in their side crushing the other side. Five seats held by the GFA architect parties were lost to the 'who can wave their respective flags most aggressively' parties.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
I didn't intend to but I got a bit carried away and before I knew it I had £200 worth of bets. And then the polls turned. I went into full on panic mode on the night of the 20 May and started betting on Labour. Thank God I did.
Like others I'm coming round to the view that Brexit, Trump and Corbyn are all part of the same phenomenon, where voters are sticking two fingers up at whoever they regard as the establishment, regardless of whether doing so involves voting left, right, or something else.
I was thinking the same earlier today.
I would add Macron to that list, people focus on Le Pen but Hollande didn't even run again and Macron is almost as much a rejection of the status quo as Le Pen would have been.
Disruption is becoming as important to unhappy electorates as party politics. Given a choice an awful lot of people will lump for the candidate or party that can upset the apple cart. Which bodes ill for a lot of other governments elsewhere.
I make it she was 39 votes switching or 69 absolute short of a technical majority with Sinn Fein sitting out. Perth, Dudley North and Newcastle Under Lyme
And Crewe lost by 49, Kensington lost by 30 if reports are right. Another 200 votes their way would have got to 326
Does she really believe pushing on with Brexit hamstrung is more important than the integrity of the peace settlement in Northern Ireland?!
Bit of a red herring. The electorate in NI have been making it clear for a while they are only interested in their side crushing the other side. Five seats held by the GFA architect parties were lost to the 'who can wave their respective flags most aggressively' parties.
Does she want to be the one that lit the blue touch paper?
It will be interesting to see if this election is an inflection point in the YouGov Brexit right/wrong tracker. What effect would a shift to 'wrong' have on the political climate?
I make it she was 39 votes switching or 69 absolute short of a technical majority with Sinn Fein sitting out. Perth, Dudley North and Newcastle Under Lyme
And Crewe lost by 49, Kensington lost by 30 if reports are right. Another 200 votes their way would have got to 326
1000 switchers would have got her a Cameron majority. 1500 switchers a 20 seat cushion
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
I wonder if you could have negative bids? Vote for us and that lot will get it in the neck.
How many votes/seats do you think the student fees proposal won for Labour? Every year that passes there will be more and more voters that would benefit.
Of course the bill would be much greater and someone would have to pay for it but mentioning that doesn't seem popular at the ballot box.
Tories should go for a proper graduate tax, lance the boil and bring in more money.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
Lots of little bets for fun that totals no more than what you are prepared to lose is the formula I shall stick with in future. I don’t think I could handle the trauma of the spread market
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
I lost a couple of hundred unfortunately, but that's just how it goes sometimes.
Like others I'm coming round to the view that Brexit, Trump and Corbyn are all part of the same phenomenon, where voters are sticking two fingers up at whoever they regard as the establishment, regardless of whether doing so involves voting left, right, or something else.
Bingo! In a nutshell.
Did you write something similar on here the other day? Someone did but I can't remember who it was.
No, I dont think so. I just thought you made a first class point,
I think it was Jonathon, on here, who said a while ago that 'A nation that can Brexit can Corbyn' (my paraphrase). Pity I thought. And we very nearly did Corbyn.
DYOR, but, if the figures on the BBC website are correct, according to my calculations the Betfair Labour vote share market is going to settle at 40.00% (once Kensington is factored in). Note that the rules specify 2 decimal places. Available at around 1.25.
I think it was Jonathon, on here, who said a while ago that 'A nation that can Brexit can Corbyn' (my paraphrase). Pity I thought. And we very nearly did Corbyn.
If this is the new norm then politics and government will become damn near impossible.
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
I wonder if you could have negative bids? Vote for us and that lot will get it in the neck.
We did. McDonnell did quite well with that approach.
Like others I'm coming round to the view that Brexit, Trump and Corbyn are all part of the same phenomenon, where voters are sticking two fingers up at whoever they regard as the establishment, regardless of whether doing so involves voting left, right, or something else.
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
By the same token if you vote to make a certain cohort £50,000 worse off they'll take revenge in droves.
I think it was Jonathon, on here, who said a while ago that 'A nation that can Brexit can Corbyn' (my paraphrase). Pity I thought. And we very nearly did Corbyn.
If this is the new norm then politics and government will become damn near impossible.
Give them something new to enthuse over. Genuine opening for someone with vision.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
I didn't intend to but I got a bit carried away and before I knew it I had £200 worth of bets. And then the polls turned. I went into full on panic mode on the night of the 20 May and started betting on Labour. Thank God I did.
Bassetlaw was the only bet I placed on Labour - and that was purely because it's the constituency I grew up in. Otherwise my only winner would have been Bath.
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
I wonder if you could have negative bids? Vote for us and that lot will get it in the neck.
We did. McDonnell did quite well with that approach.
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
By the same token if you vote to make a certain cohort £50,000 worse off they'll take revenge in droves.
An increasingly polarised politics with voters alternately punishing one another, and quite happy to vote for candidates promising the maximum disruption.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
I didn't intend to but I got a bit carried away and before I knew it I had £200 worth of bets. And then the polls turned. I went into full on panic mode on the night of the 20 May and started betting on Labour. Thank God I did.
Bassetlaw was the only bet I placed on Labour - and that was purely because it's the constituency I grew up in. Otherwise my only winner would have been Bath.
My only winner was also Bath.
Managed to get a few quid on NOM during the bed-wetting phase, which turned out not to be temporary affliction only of the mind, but the actual reality.
It's very fortunate that I only bet tiny amounts for fun. Of the 15 £2 individual constituency winner bets that I placed at the start of the campaign only two of them were winners (Bassetlaw & Bath).
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
I didn't intend to but I got a bit carried away and before I knew it I had £200 worth of bets. And then the polls turned. I went into full on panic mode on the night of the 20 May and started betting on Labour. Thank God I did.
Bassetlaw was the only bet I placed on Labour - and that was purely because it's the constituency I grew up in. Otherwise my only winner would have been Bath.
I had Bath too. Bassetlaw was a good shout too. My constituency bets certainly added to the evening so I'll probably do it again whenever the next election is.
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
This is why we won't have another election for several years; Labour are about to shoot ahead in the polls and will stay there until May is gone.
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
Indeed. See my comment on last thread about a typical West Mids office.
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
39.99 touch wood as on 35.00 to 39.99 at 25-1 with Betsafe - sorry linked to Lad seat percentage on earlier comment - still getting the hang of this
Evening all. – Another GE where the majority of pollsters and punters called it wrong, no wonder there was a dramatic movement when the exit poll was released. Oh, and whole narrative that dominated PB for the past few weeks, total bollox.
But provided one believed the exit poll, there was ample time (2-3 hours!) to bet accordingly before the markets caught up. Similar to the situations with Brexit and Trump.
Oh absolutely Chris, we’ve seen it on a few occasions and it’s certainly dug a few punters out of a hole. Not much help tho for those of us that use the high street bookie.
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
The BBC are not alone.
This is a catastrophic electoral failure of epic proportions made entirely in Downing Street and the buck stops with the PM.
SavIour of the Tories, nation and my wallet. And 2 memorable and cheering defeats of you know who...
Who was up for Salmond?
Love it!
A brief moment of fleeting cheer. And I was pleased to see the new MP immediately paid a gracious tribute to Salmond in his acceptance speech. I wonder what AS will do now?
I think that Alex has a few other part-time jobs at the moment. He has his radio show on LBC and also has at least 2 weekly column in the papers in Scotland. I believe that he was getting paid more them than he got as an MP. Longer term it is hard not to see him try to get back to Holyrood 2021 unless there is a GE before then and he has a good chance of winning back a seat in the NE.
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
This is why we won't have another election for several years; Labour are about to shoot ahead in the polls and will stay there until May is gone.
Evening all. – Another GE where the majority of pollsters and punters called it wrong, no wonder there was a dramatic movement when the exit poll was released. Oh, and whole narrative that dominated PB for the past few weeks, total bollox.
But provided one believed the exit poll, there was ample time (2-3 hours!) to bet accordingly before the markets caught up. Similar to the situations with Brexit and Trump.
Oh absolutely Chris, we’ve seen it on a few occasions and it’s certainly dug a few punters out of a hole. Not much help tho for those of us that use the high street bookie.
The annoying thing was that the exit poll was close enough to a majority (more Tory seats than the 2015 exit poll) to want to leave the majority bets to play out. By the time the majority definitely wasn't on it was 1/8 or thereabouts on NOM and would have needed a small fortune to go back to break even. I'm about £700 down today Tory performance in Scotland saved it from being four figures though, so every cloud...
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
This is why we won't have another election for several years; Labour are about to shoot ahead in the polls and will stay there until May is gone.
Any polls due out this evening?
Will only pay attention to YouGov's model from now on.
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
The BBC are not alone.
This is a catastrophic electoral failure of epic proportions made entirely in Downing Street and the buck stops with the PM.
C4 getting stuck in as well - no sign of Crick as yet - he'll no doubt be off investigating the DUP !
I make it she was 39 votes switching or 69 absolute short of a technical majority with Sinn Fein sitting out. Perth, Dudley North and Newcastle Under Lyme
And Crewe lost by 49, Kensington lost by 30 if reports are right. Another 200 votes their way would have got to 326
I don't like kicking a woman when she's down but the BBC are crucifying Mrs May over Brexit.
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
The BBC are not alone.
This is a catastrophic electoral failure of epic proportions made entirely in Downing Street and the buck stops with the PM.
C4 getting stuck in as well - no sign of Crick as yet - he'll no doubt be off investigating the DUP !
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
Yes - not ducking testing confrontations with voters is one of the few things which Corbyn and Macron have in common.
May is now powerless in her own cabinet. A puppet Prime Minister.
And who is pulling the strings?
@BBCPhilipSim: Ruth Davidson says she asked Theresa May for "categoric assurance" there would be no impact on LGBTI rights as a result of any deal with DUP
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
Going in with the DUP wipes out a lot of hard work moving the Tory image forwards out of the 1970's, it also leaves with beholden to a minority interest party. They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
Going in with the DUP wipes out a lot of hard work moving the Tory image forwards out of the 1970's, it also leaves with beholden to a minority interest party. They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
Strategically they should go into opposition to the rainbow. They aren't that clever.
May is now powerless in her own cabinet. A puppet Prime Minister.
And who is pulling the strings?
@BBCPhilipSim: Ruth Davidson says she asked Theresa May for "categoric assurance" there would be no impact on LGBTI rights as a result of any deal with DUP
May is now powerless in her own cabinet. A puppet Prime Minister.
And who is pulling the strings?
@BBCPhilipSim: Ruth Davidson says she asked Theresa May for "categoric assurance" there would be no impact on LGBTI rights as a result of any deal with DUP
I think it's clear whom is building a power base, there are a number of like minded women (and men) kicking around the party who are being vocal about May's failure.
I make it she was 39 votes switching or 69 absolute short of a technical majority with Sinn Fein sitting out. Perth, Dudley North and Newcastle Under Lyme
And Crewe lost by 49, Kensington lost by 30 if reports are right. Another 200 votes their way would have got to 326
That works the other way as well eg Richmond.
Richmond was annoying. The difference between a decent betting night and an excellent one.
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
This is incredible! I was talking with a mate earlier, who isn't really a political buff, and he was saying "Why is Corbyn giving it the big one? He lost! If Donald Trump phones up and asks to speak to the Prime Minister he gets Theresa May!!"
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
They did increase votes and vote share too....
Transitory Brexiteers. Gone by the next election. The Tory strategy should always be (if they want my impartial advice;)) secure the SE SW East, let the tide flow up from there.
Going in with the DUP wipes out a lot of hard work moving the Tory image forwards out of the 1970's, it also leaves with beholden to a minority interest party. They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
Strategically they should go into opposition to the rainbow. They aren't that clever.
They want to hold onto power even though they are a vacuum of ideas currently.
How much is it going to cost us for the DUP to approve the budget?
last time they said £2billion.
Not a fan of theirs to say the least, but In terms of pork, the DUP are likely a cheaper deal for the country than the Lib Dems...
Handy that their base is by definition highly geographically concentrated, and they are unlikely to have grand designs for freebies for English voters.
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
Yes - not ducking testing confrontations with voters is one of the few things which Corbyn and Macron have in common.
That is why the Tory party desperately needed a leadership election rather than a coronation...May's poor campaigning would have been discovered much earlier....
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
But they've still got their student debts and rented rooms.
While I never had any student debts and own a house.
So who should be laughing now ?
Seriously though, some of us have been warning about inter-generational unfairness for years.
They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn
Again, this wasn't possible unless they were going to commit to abstaining on a Corbyn Queen's Speech. Which would have been, as Sir Humphrey might have put it, courageous.
Worthy to note how many voters and political commentators referenced the Prime Minister avoiding a debate and contact with the public wherever possible.
Yes - not ducking testing confrontations with voters is one of the few things which Corbyn and Macron have in common.
The difference with Jezza was stark. May avoided any unscripted moments like the plague. You felt she was only one contact from a real voter from disaster. Put starkly she was a lousy campaigner and the avoidance of the debate played very badly
In contrast Corbyn reveled in the contest. He has after all been campaigning and public speaking for lost causes for decades. Jezza appeared authentic even if many voters had misgivings about what he said.
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
This is incredible! I was talking with a mate earlier, who isn't really a political buff, and he was saying "Why is Corbyn giving it the big one? He lost! If Donald Trump phones up and asks to speak to the Prime Minister he gets Theresa May!!"
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
There was a bunch of students and Momentum types protesting outside Parliament earlier, saying that the party that got 261 seats "won" and the party that got 318 seats "lost" so Corbyn should be PM.
They either don't understand maths or don't understand democracy.
One element of this is that it demonstrates that if you promise to make a certain cohort around £50,000 better off almost instantly, they will vote for you in hitherto-unimagined droves. Pretty much every student seat is now Labour.
By the same token if you vote to make a certain cohort £50,000 worse off they'll take revenge in droves.
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
They did increase votes and vote share too....
Transitory Brexiteers. Gone by the next election. The Tory strategy should always be (if they want my impartial advice;)) secure the SE SW East, let the tide flow up from there.
Possibly, possibly not. Either way, it isn't all bad news for them and they should remember that. I mean there is a heck of a lot of bad news, but there are some nuggets of good in there too. The first is that the Cameroons are shown in a much better light.
Going in with the DUP wipes out a lot of hard work moving the Tory image forwards out of the 1970's, it also leaves with beholden to a minority interest party. They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
Strategically they should go into opposition to the rainbow. They aren't that clever.
They want to hold onto power even though they are a vacuum of ideas currently.
Which will cost them heavily and not even in the medium term. They are trapped and on a hiding to nothing. There is no way they can make this situation work. It's amusing.
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
This is incredible! I was talking with a mate earlier, who isn't really a political buff, and he was saying "Why is Corbyn giving it the big one? He lost! If Donald Trump phones up and asks to speak to the Prime Minister he gets Theresa May!!"
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
Obviously this has been a very bad result for May and the Tories. But I think us political obsessives shouldn't assume that the general public will appreciate the nuance of what's happened. My mum was perplexed at why Jezza was so happy. I notice too that the Prince of Darkness wasn't exactly glowing in his assessment of Labour's position.
You can't sell 15 years of austerity when you'd promised 5 You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis. You can't do public service on the cheap. You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere. You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
I think the constant availability of money for vanity projects was damaging.
Leaders are meant to lead by example yet Cameron and Osborne and now May would never let their own pet projects go unfunded.
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
This is incredible! I was talking with a mate earlier, who isn't really a political buff, and he was saying "Why is Corbyn giving it the big one? He lost! If Donald Trump phones up and asks to speak to the Prime Minister he gets Theresa May!!"
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
Obviously this has been a very bad result for May and the Tories. But I think us political obsessives shouldn't assume that the general public will appreciate the nuance of what's happened. My mum was perplexed at why Jezza was so happy. I notice too that the Prince of Darkness wasn't exactly glowing in his assessment of Labour's position.
We are more or less where we were in 2010 except the Lib Dems wont prop the Tories up now
I reckon Boris would've got a majority. Media is all that matters
I'm not so sure about that. What should really worry the Tories is, what if May actually did okay - she won Mansfield FFS! How many other Tories could have got that? The more I think about this the more I think the Tories are completely f*****.
The amount of derision being heaped on millennial virtue signalling Twitter users seems pretty rum given they just turned out and handed the kind of people who sneer at them a shellacing
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
This is incredible! I was talking with a mate earlier, who isn't really a political buff, and he was saying "Why is Corbyn giving it the big one? He lost! If Donald Trump phones up and asks to speak to the Prime Minister he gets Theresa May!!"
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
To many Tories, myself included, last night felt like a landslide defeat where we remain in office.
They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn
Again, this wasn't possible unless they were going to commit to abstaining on a Corbyn Queen's Speech. Which would have been, as Sir Humphrey might have put it, courageous.
But it would mean publicly forcing Corbyn to refuse....if he would of course. A big gamble.
I reckon Boris would've got a majority. Media is all that matters
I'm not so sure about that. What should really worry the Tories is, what if May actually did okay - she won Mansfield FFS! How many other Tories could have got that? The more I think about this the more I think the Tories are completely f*****.
It is probable that we've got to experience a Labour/Corbyn government and all the disasters contained there-in before the Conservatives can get back in the game.
Going in with the DUP wipes out a lot of hard work moving the Tory image forwards out of the 1970's, it also leaves with beholden to a minority interest party. They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
Strategically they should go into opposition to the rainbow. They aren't that clever.
They want to hold onto power even though they are a vacuum of ideas currently.
Which will cost them heavily and not even in the medium term. They are trapped and on a hiding to nothing. There is no way they can make this situation work. It's amusing.
I wonder if fox hunting will make it to the queens speech...titter.....
Seriously the queens speech will have the vision of a dead parrot, inspire as much as a dead parrot, and be as useful as a dead parrot....
May has Brexit and sod all else and she's screwed that one up....I almost feel sorry for her...
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Lesson learned now: Don't bet large amounts at short odds-on.
Bet £30 in total... lost £21.28 I really wouldn't wish to have been playing with "real" money with such poor judgement.
Of course the bill would be much greater and someone would have to pay for it but mentioning that doesn't seem popular at the ballot box.
The world has got even more unpredictable.
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/873176743418494976
She can't reshuffle her own cabinet; what the hell is going to happen in Brussels?
"Can we"
"No"
"What about"
"No"
Now, I'm not one to claim that the current solution to student fees is the right one. It's an issue that needa addressing. Forone, I think universities are taking the piss rather with what they actually give you for £9,000: I'd say it could be done at a fraction of the cost. But I'm slightly worried about the effect on democracy of uncosted-sweetie-giveaways ono this scale.
I would add Macron to that list, people focus on Le Pen but Hollande didn't even run again and Macron is almost as much a rejection of the status quo as Le Pen would have been.
Disruption is becoming as important to unhappy electorates as party politics. Given a choice an awful lot of people will lump for the candidate or party that can upset the apple cart. Which bodes ill for a lot of other governments elsewhere.
https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston/status/873223992320118784
http://hipsterttoi.tumblr.com/post/51038330891
'Ten days to go before negotiations start and they don't know what they're doing' say business leaders. If the Tory governments from 2015 till now aren't the worst since records began then I can't think which were.
Managed to get a few quid on NOM during the bed-wetting phase, which turned out not to be temporary affliction only of the mind, but the actual reality.
;-)
This is a catastrophic electoral failure of epic proportions made entirely in Downing Street and the buck stops with the PM.
Longer term it is hard not to see him try to get back to Holyrood 2021 unless there is a GE before then and he has a good chance of winning back a seat in the NE.
*goes to check Betfair*
Boris is the favourite.
Really lay the favourite.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/dup-brexit-campaign
@BBCPhilipSim: Ruth Davidson says she asked Theresa May for "categoric assurance" there would be no impact on LGBTI rights as a result of any deal with DUP
You can't sell 20,000 police cuts when we are under seige
You can't sell public sector pay freezes when you trouser thousands and thousands
You can't sell mums house after her ten year battle with dementia
You can't sell hard Brexit to your core remainers
You can't demonise a man for his associations in the past when you suck up to and arm ISIS sponsoring Saudis.
You can't do public service on the cheap.
You can't call the citizens of your capital citizens of nowhere.
You can't punch your most loyal support group in the face and expect them to love you
They should have just publicly offered the keys to Corbyn etc, binned May and consolidated their very high vote count and share. Now they are wobbling along, wounded and aimless.
Maybe less sneering and more listening is required.
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/873174533427142656
Aaaand.. he's back.
Second fav is Ruth Davidson at 6.6 - that's a lay too, she isn't an MP.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051208/market?marketId=1.125574963
A shellacking when you don't win is a new one on me! And I reckon the first time voters who celebrated last night will wake up tmrw thinking "Hang on.. Corbyn isn't PM...."
Handy that their base is by definition highly geographically concentrated, and they are unlikely to have grand designs for freebies for English voters.
That is why the Tory party desperately needed a leadership election rather than a coronation...May's poor campaigning would have been discovered much earlier....
While I never had any student debts and own a house.
So who should be laughing now ?
Seriously though, some of us have been warning about inter-generational unfairness for years.
In contrast Corbyn reveled in the contest. He has after all been campaigning and public speaking for lost causes for decades. Jezza appeared authentic even if many voters had misgivings about what he said.
Jezza offered hope and May just hoped.
They either don't understand maths or don't understand democracy.
The first is that the Cameroons are shown in a much better light.
Leaders are meant to lead by example yet Cameron and Osborne and now May would never let their own pet projects go unfunded.
Seriously the queens speech will have the vision of a dead parrot, inspire as much as a dead parrot, and be as useful as a dead parrot....
May has Brexit and sod all else and she's screwed that one up....I almost feel sorry for her...